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@drafterman
Ive supported everything ive said with qoutes and links homie.
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@Speedrace
I dont care if you wagon either mate. I'm just saying if I dont respond to something it looks like I dont have an answer to that which isnt the case.
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Post 394 is his whole case on me. Pretty pathetic but there you go. Now you know what ive been dealimg with lol
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Speed thats why I keep pinging you all for opinions. If I dont respond to something wrong drafter says, it lets other people wrongly wagon with him. And this game has a lot of people who wagon. If people are gonna wagon they better do it for the right reasons so I will always have the last word.
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Also keep in mind before Supa scum slipped, me and AROSE were his biggest targets. Dismiss it as WIFOM if you want, but I think you are giving his scum play more benefit than he is capable of lol
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@drafterman
Never said this. More lies.
"I feel all of this diffusion of pressure is scummy, tbh"
You went on top argue with me about this for a few pages.
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@Greyparrot
Occams razor doesn't apply here. Bussing is a legit strategy. How can you doubt my case on drafter bussing by dismissing it with occams razor, while simultaneously accusing me for bussing supa dp2? You are wrong if you think that argument holds up.My philosophy with Mafia is to apply Occam's Razor at every chance.
This is Luna's case. Totally built on WIFOM.
It's a behavior built case. I've probably played more games with drafterman than most of you. I don't remember him being a lazy player. "stubborn" yes, but not lazy. If he is gonna be stubborn on a lynch I expect him to defend his reasons pretty well at least. I don't get that feel from him now. The SA lynch was lazy and ill supported. His push on me this DP also is, and it seems more based on OMGUS than facts and reasoning.
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@Speedrace
VTL WyltedGotcha, so mostly his use of the lynch as town cred...I feel like I trust you a bit more because you aren't constantly claiming that you're drafter is Mafia, instead just relying on your reasons
You should help my lynch drafter. If by drafter is town we can probably look into wylted further, but wylted having poor reasoning, is just a wylted thing. Similar to greyparrot, he often says outlandish things. I can see him doing it as town too. I was willing to lynch him for it earlier but I retracted, because it felt too "policy-esque". Some people just play bad regardless of their affiliation.
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Drafters lynch isn't going as smoothly for him as he thought. He's getting desperate by trying to say I slipped lol. I can almost see him sweating.
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@Greyparrot
Fine, let's lynch you then drafter. No biggy.Vote yourself let's get this over with
There's no way in hell drafter would lynch himself to do the same. And there is no way in hell you are gonna follow up on that bargain. Even then I would be opposed to it. I want you to lynch people for behavior, not some one v one bullshit. Thats was screwed town in Dark crystal, the "one of supa or speedrace is scum" bull crap.
Since you have no other scum leads.
You are extremely lazy and have not been reading. I've stated max and wylted are my other two reads in the event drafter is town.
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Yes, and I did that. Hence town cred.You're saying that me lynching and catching scum isn't town cred, it's OBVIS MAF MUSSING
You were using it as town cred before you knew he was town by saying anyone pushing a different lynch is scummy lol.
I did. Lots of times. I even linked to the post for your easy reference. More lies. x3
Nothing SA did from when you were unsure of him to when you were sure of him makes any sense as to why you would have magically been sure of him later on.
I meant scum.You mean you slipped?
Oh please lol. your ridiculous.
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@Greyparrot
Talk is cheap.That bus vote on Supa is obvious.
You realize how dumb that sounds considering the entire case I have on drafter is about bussing right? Also supa was already found out to be scum. What possible town cred could I have been trying to get at that point?
Your excuse for doing so is lame.Drafter aint afraid of a 1v1. Why are you? It's not like Town is anywhere NEAR lylo.
I've been 1 v 1'ing drafter all day, wtf are you talking about? I'll do this another 400 posts if I have to, in order to lynch scum. Lets go baby.
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@oromagi
@PressF4Respect
@airmax1227
What are your thoughts? It's crunch time.
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@drafterman
And I never said anything about you tunneling or not tunneling.More lies.
Then why you keep bringing up the fact that I didn't stay on AROSE? You are clearly using the fact that I didn't tunnel AROSE against me.
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@Greyparrot
One of my first posts in DP2 was that we should lynch supa lol. You are ridiculous.Hahahaa... this from the guy who tried to force an obvious bus vote on supa AFTER warren had the 6/6 vote count up.
So you think press is town now huh? Talk about "baaa"
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@drafterman
And you set that lynch up for town cred in both DP1 and 2,Yes, and?
If you are town, you should be lynching because you want to win and catch scum, not because you want others to think you are town. Mafia wants others to think they are town more than they care about being right.
town cred for a lynch you weren't all that sure of.You keep leaving out the part where I was sure of it. Why do you leave out those parts?
You never indicated where you were sure of it. You doubled down when the possibility of that lynch not happening occurred.
As if you knew SA would be town 100%He wasn't town. He was scum.
I meant scum.
and were ready to use that against anyone who didn't vote for him. Only way you would have known he was town like that is if you were scum and bussing.????So Sir is secretly Town, and I knew that and, as scum, bussed town??!?!?!
I mean scum.
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@drafterman
And again, AROSE is magically not scum anymore.So, Lunatic wants people to believe that he is so on the nose here, without admitting that he was completely and utterly wrong in DP1.
I am not 100% about anything. I admitted I was wrong on DP1, and was happy to be wrong. I stand behind my reasons for not being on that lynch. That lynch however did have a lot of behavioral evidence to read into.
AROSE was a better lynch than SA at the time, no matter how you spin it. He said he wasn't going to participate in the DP because it was too long, and he came on in the sign ups claiming to do a gambit. Since DP1, he's been making more of an effort, and I have scummier targets. Even in DP1 I never said he was 100% scum. Funny mentioning that 5D's game, in that game you got on me for having tunnel vision, and now 7 years later, I am not tunnel visioned enough for you lol.
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@drafterman
I just showed you two posts of yours showing that you yourself were unsure about him, including the one where you ultimately voted him and stayed on him until the end. You went from not knowing if his noob mistake was worthy of a lynch based on your own experiences, to indicating that people not participating on that lynch were scummy...And?
And you set that lynch up for town cred in both DP1 and 2, town cred for a lynch you weren't all that sure of. As if you knew SA would be town 100% and were ready to use that against anyone who didn't vote for him. Only way you would have known he was town like that is if you were scum and bussing.
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@Wylted
Wylted statements like these from you are another thing that's scummy. Your intentionally being manipulative by trying to imply that I am 100% scum as if I have any idea what the scum night actions are. Manipulation is a scummy thing to do. That said, I am starting to pull away from the idea that you are scum, and leaning more into your play is very, very bad. Airmax's recent post places him higher on the scum list, IMO.
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@drafterman
I just showed you two posts of yours showing that you yourself were unsure about him, including the one where you ultimately voted him and stayed on him until the end. You went from not knowing if his noob mistake was worthy of a lynch based on your own experiences, to indicating that people not participating on that lynch were scummy...
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@airmax1227
I know your off today! No excuses for inactivity!
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Also would like to note he never mentioned what those issues are, from my re reading of DP2. Unless I missed it which is entirely possible. A few posts later he thinks better of it, and gets on the wagon. Note this is all after supas scum slip.
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@drafterman
Exactly. Nothing there saying "that anyone not on the self admitted weak lynch was scummy for de-railing it."Lie more.
If you don't think there is sufficient reason for voting for someone, that's pretty weak. Don't get caught up on semantics to avoid the fact that you showed you didn't feel all that confident about the lynch until it seemed the lynch would gain you town cred and "look bad" for me for not being on it,
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@drafterman
So drafter, what happened between this:
Well, I did caution you to look at the company with you on that lynch. I agree that the scummiest person on that wagon was Supa.**VTL Supa**
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I have some issues with the Supa lynch but I can’t get into right now.
Last Day phase?
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@drafterman
and that anyone not on the self admitted weak lynch was scummy for de-railing it.Reference the post where I said this.
Implying the reasons were weak: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2985/office-mafia-day-1?page=7
"I'm still on the fence about whether it's sufficient to lynch Sir. I'm also at a show tonight so will be away for much of tonight."
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2985/office-mafia-day-1?page=18 You revoted him a few pages later when he was at 5/7 already because you thought he was fluctuating between acting nooby and not, but then undermined that decision by saying:
However, part of me feels it would be hypocritical to FOS him because of that, if only because I was treated the same way when I first started playing
You were never that confident in the SA lynch until I started suggesting a different lynch. You were forced to double down to make your bus effective.
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@Speedrace
Ouch
Btw, Max is easily one of my best friends. My statement is more casting doubt on his reads, or saying they are more lazy than expected.
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Don't buy drafter's "double bus" thing. He had no choice but to vote supa DP2, that was far from a bus. Supa scum slipped. He was casting doubt on the supa lynch before that lol.
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@airmax1227
What do you mean he is scum hunting? One of the main reasons I feel drafter is scummy this games is because he doesn't appear to be scum hunting, like at all. His read on SA was pretty garbage and he himself admitted early on that the case on SA was weak. He was one of the driving forces for the lynch however, and nothing about SA's behavior changed since drafter originally said the case was weak to when he lynched him. He made several statements that made it look like a bus, indicating he should get town cred for the lynch in DP2, and that anyone not on the self admitted weak lynch was scummy for de-railing it.Drafter - Behavior reads town to me as he is clearly scum hunting, and he was immediately on SA and Supa lynches and actively pursuing them. I don't see how a mafia bus can be argued in those cases.
Lunatic - I was probably going to pressure him hard and make a case against him in DP2. I did not like the 11th hour switch to Arose on what I saw as minimal behavioral evidence, and then when SA flipped scum, it made Lunatic appear even more scummy.However, at this point, I think both of those are justified as (perhaps misguided) townish play. Lunatic's agitation at this point, reads more to me like a frustrated town player, than scum trying to avoid a lynch.
I don't see how the switch to AROSE wasn't scummy. You yourself admitted that there wasn't much on SA. In fact most of the reason you wanted to lynch SA was based on his weak character claim. You've now stated because you thought it was scranton vs non scranton based on you being a hated townie. I expected a bigger conviction out of your role based on how convinced you seem by the role distinction.
I feel your play is lazy in this game too. I get your schedule is a bit more limiting in regards to how often you are able to post and play, so most of this I am attributing to lack of reading and passion for this game. Also if there is only one scum left, the innocent on you helps your case a lot. Press and you can't both be scum, and I don't see a reason for him to claim you innocent if he is scum. Other option is you could be godfather or lawyer, but the case for drafter seems much stronger. Also the "11th hour switch" argument really doesn't seem like you. If I had any inkling that you were scum, this is probably one of the bigger ones. You are usually more objective than to cast suspicion on the player who "got it wrong" dp1. I think you know me enough to know that it would be pretty stupid or not in my playstyle to purposelly hardcore try to avoid a lynch on my scum buddy if I was mafia.
This town read, while correct, feels weak and manufactured, or lazy. I am hoping it's the latter. If drafter flips innocent I will have to look into this more.
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Either max hasn't read the last two day phases, or I think I over-estimated his ability to play forum mafia these days based on the live games.
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One of the biggest "flame wars" I guess you could call it, I ever had on DDO was with drafterman during a royal paladin yu-gi-oh mafia game. Me and drafter got into it pretty bad. In the end, we talked it out in a PM and have played multiple mafia games with each other since. Might not have happened if I got banned or something.
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@Speedrace
I don't report. I am not trying to insult you as mod, but I am used to airmax's style of moderation. If two people are engaging in the same ferocity, he just let them duke it out. That's the way it should be handled IMO. As long as their isn't death threats, or doxxing, I don't see the harm. And I don't honestly feel negativity towards wylted as a person, but mafia games tend to get heated and passionate.
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@A-R-O-S-E
Wylted likes it, I think there's a difference. He's been calling me an idiot all day, insulting my IQ, I feel like I should have a pass to talk to him with the same manner. I haven't talked to anyone else the same way homie.
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@Speedrace
Wylted is the only person I have talked to like this. It's how he communicates. You can't talk professionally with him, his brain literally doesn't interpret anything except for street talk and jargon.
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Everything you do as town in any game you play is a scum tell wylted. You should not play mafia, you are trash.
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@Wylted
lol you are saying what grey "clearly meant" for him. Grey is a parrot, he doesn't have his own thoughts.
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@Wylted
His entire reason for wanting to lynch me is because I am not making a case on HIS scum read which is Press F. So if I am somehow scummier for that, that should town confirm PressF for him./
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@Wylted
There's only one scum left, and he is insinuating it's me. If I am scum then Press F can't possibly be lol. His logic makes no sense.
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@Greyparrot
So you think pressF is town now huh? What changed?
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@Speedrace
I fixed a grammar mistake. Wish warren would have just sent me a PM.
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Heres the thing drafter is just asking people to vote lunatic but giving them nothing for it lol. "They can just ask me why if they have any questions".
He's complained so much about just people mindlessly bandwagoning the AROSE lynch (even though the SA lynch was similar) but he's advocating more of that behavior by just expecting people to board this train without any thought behind it whatsoever. This lynch feels like OMGUS
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@drafterman
What makes you think that? Your saying because I have back up lynches in case I'm wrong that I think your town?
I can't know anything with 100% certainty. Unlike you since you are trying to push a lynch on me with literally nothing and not bothering to even make a convincing case.
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If we lynch drafter and this doesn't go into the endgame, I'm thinking wylted will be a good lynch. We will have to re evaluate based on who gets killed and results.
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Also for anyone even considering Drafters sad attempt to lynch me, consider this; Dude has absolutely nothing on me, and hasn't even feigned an attempt to make a convincing case. He's relying purely on the sanctity of his press "town confirmation" for being the main reason for the SA lynch. Don't be fooled by a bus.
And ignore wylted. He's an autist.
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