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unvote vtl wylted.
He's not even trying to scum hunt. He's going with the most likely lynch because "we can afford it".
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Fvck it. My analysis on drafter is still strong as a close second to wylted at this point. His play is so anti town. VTL wylted
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@Wylted
your that convinced I am scum bbut aint even gonna read my analysis
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@Wylted
You sound like you've already got your mind made up lol. I guess no need to justify your lynch. Maybe I am wrong on drafter, wylted is looking hella scummy
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@Greyparrot
Thats the exact logic Id hope you would buy if I was as smart as drafter and bussing. Hes got you hook line and sinker homie.Because it's highly unlikely scum would bus on DP1,
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@Wylted
we can end this now with a mafia lynch. You suggesting we don't try to make info based lynches because we can "afford to mislynch"?
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@Greyparrot
The same two people that supa just voted lol.Looking at that AROSE vote, I am pretty sure last scum is either AROSE or Lunatic.
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@Wylted
I haven't shown up on a single watcher or tracker report for two DP's. I am vanilla homie. Whats your actually argument against me
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@drafterman
It doesn't, and I would expect you to do your own analysis.
This is entirely my own analysis.
Wrong, which I pointed out. It took almost the entire day phase to built the wagon on Sir, compared to the wagon on AROSE which took 10 hours, yet that quickness didn't faze you in the slightest. This hand wringing over the speed of wagons is contrived.
You mis-remember. Sir was at L-1 with a day and a half left. You kept trying to convince everyone that we were derailing the phase as if there wasn't a butt load off time left.
Usually when people are wrong the re-evaluate the premises that led to those incorrect conclusions.
You were right for the wrong reasons. You voted a player you yourself weren't confident which displays that it was clearly a bus. The fact that you are using that lynch as an argument is further proof that it was a bus.
It is. Look at the numbers yourself. It does not happen very often. And why would I off one of my own team mates when I you were offering up a Townie on a silver platter?
It probably doesn't happen very often because who is selected as mafia. It happened when you were mafia on my game. You are one of the few people out of the living players competent enough to pull a bus off. You were unlucky that someone smelt through your BS this time though.
He was. His last vote was on SA and it wasn't counted. Nice try.
And, after that, I took the first opportunity I saw to get a Townie lynched.
Mharmans inactivity forced your hand.
Oh, I'm sorry, did you miss the wall of reasons I provided?
None of those are "reasons" you just didn't like the wagon. Given that under the bbussing scenario you would have known SA was guilty, the wagon analysis makes little difference.
Why would I do that?
Because comparatively you had nothing on SA.
No, that isn't what you expected. You said you expected that I would come hot after you (again, guilty conscience much?) Which I didn't. So you're literally changing your expectations - MID PARAGRAPH - to fit things after the fact to drum up a lynch of me.
Im saying supas scum slip caught you off guard and forced your hand. Even then you were trying to derail the supa lynch initially by casting doubt on it.
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Revert to my analysis for now. I'm on my phone not gonna do long responses til I get to a computer
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Role is vanilla. Will be at work to respond to in depth analysis at 4am
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Airmax I want you to explain your roles reason for voting SA dp1
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@A-R-O-S-E
Your saying your case is that I caught on to SA too quickly? Is that it? You mean about having an obscure character? If I csught on to it that quick and was scum with him you'd think I would advise against that claim considering thats one of the major reasons he was lynched lol
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So drafter, supa, SA scumteam eh? Looks like drsfter got shafted
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Vtl supa.
My character claim is Andy bernard for those voting me. I am not caught up yet but will be posting on my graveyard shift tonight. My profile picture has been set to Andy since I recieved my role pm. I dont see a reason to role claim so I won't.
Supa has enough behaviorally to justify a lynch from dp1 but from my skimming it sounds like he may have slipped? Regardless hes a good lynch. I'll catch up late tonight and post more reads.
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@drafterman
Supa was more scummy after the lynch on arose started. Arose is still suspect but his voting and reads are contrived and make no sense from town perspective
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@Vader
Interesting you would scum me and arose though I almost lynched him last do and you said if SA was guilty you would fos me. Your reads make no sense.
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Any results? I wanma lynch supa. But I wanna hear if their are night actions first. Press?
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@coal
Those who feel the need to either trivialize what bsh1 was engaged in (e.g., Castin), or white knight to his defense (e.g., TUF aka Lunatic or whatever his name is) discredit themselves by presuming that it is appropriate for a 24 year old to tell a 16 year old that if he "wants to be a big boy he has to bend over for daddy."
I feel like over the years I've seen you talk so much about your sexuality and preferences without regard to what others think. Between hangouts, just normal forum play and banter, talking about your twink boys or being top/bottom, you flaunt your sexuality almost constantly. It comes off as more hypocritical coming from you of all people.
The context I will not go into now, though, it is not as if I am unable or unwilling to do so. I certainly am able and willing, though I see that the costs of that context would outweigh the likely benefits. The costs would be personal and would affect other people whose personal information they have not given consent for release, while the benefit would at most be to "one up" TUF who is acting like an obnoxious jackass. Presumably, because TUF even went so far as to create a disingenuous and misleading debate over the subject, he is going to continue to be an obnoxious jackass because this is now more about "winning" for him than it is about the truth. Wouldn't be the first time. I suppose some things never change."Debate me, bro! What are you, chicken? Don't put your money where your mouth is? Coward!"
You realize this is a debate site right? Your nature seems to have always been to ignore the fundamentals of debate and make it some self righteous moral thing. If a subject you feel is too touchy, you just label it as "wrong" and won't give reasons why something is wrong, you just say it is and refuse to prove how and feel vindicated in your position. You did the same back with ADOL on DDO. You voiced your opinion on this matter, I voiced mine. You didn't like mine and rather than pointing out specific flaws in my logic or try to prove me wrong you just undermine the whole premise by saying I am wrong. You aren't a debater, and this type of behavior proves why it's hard to take you seriously. You can't defend your ideas, you are just offended when others have different ones.
Let's suppose a high school speech coach told his sixteen year old team captain that? I'll bet something similar happened at Bronx Science. End of career. Suppose a high school teacher told his favorite student that? End of career. Suppose, moreover, that a comment like that was made by a boss to his teenage employee? That's the kind of thing that can create legal problems the depths of which would unfold over many, many months if not years. Oh, and almost certain career ender there, too.
None of these situations are remotely close to reality though. Bsh isn't a teacher, or in a paid position above anyone. He was having friendly banter with another individual on a website that most people choose to stick around for social networking purposes.
But we are supposed to look the other way because some people think it was "just a joke"? It is not "just a joke" when a teacher, coach, or any other adult in a position of authority directs sexual innuendo like that at someone else. And to be clear, it is the relationship that matters more than the age differential. TUF can bitch and moan about how unfair he thinks all of this is, how blown out of proportion it is, etc. Doesn't change the fact that bsh1 was out of line.
I think it is fair, because bsh chose his own repercussions. You are exaggerating my feelings on the subject to match yours, which seem to be rather hysteric. Regardless comparing this to the teacher or coach is not accurate so this is irrelevant.
Moreover, the issue is not about "other people's" intentions. Annie's intentions are whatever they were. Nothing she said was false, yet she has been attacked and maligned, her motives impugned, and she has been painted as irrational, a reactionary, or worse.... by people who think they have a more informed perspective than someone who knows bsh1 better than, anyone else on this site with maybe two exceptions (neither of whom are TUF)?
I haven't attacked annie at all, I think she is overly passionate sure, but I can agree to dis-agree with her.
A less pig-headed person might have asked "Hmm maybe there' something going on here that I perhaps don't know about. This looks like a situation that involves more than may be meting the eye. I better not risk making a jackass out of myself and stay out of it, unless I have something productive to say."
If there's more to this than what meets the eye, there are multiple other people who are also out of the loop. If you have some other evidence to suggest bsh is a pedophile, all we have is that thread, which is definitely not an indication of predatory intentions.
But that didn't happen. Instead Mr White Knight rushed in to do the white knight thing... not even really white knight-ing... much worse in reality, but enough has been said on this issue.
It's funny you think I am white knighting him as if I wouldn't take the same stance on this if it were another person in the same situation. I don't even think bsh considers me as a friend, nor does he ever respond to anything I say. Regardless I think the outrage towards him is pretty unjustified in the sense of accusations of him being a predator and having harmful intentions towards minors. If you want to light him up for being an un-professional mod, that's another thing.
I expect another post pretending like you aren't talking to me so you can avoid direct argumentation. I've been arguing with you off and on since 2013. I can read you like a book sir.
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Maybe i'll play if you are more active in the other game lol
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@coal
I tried to agree to disagree with you the first time you said something and you kept pushing it.
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@coal
No, no, no. Claiming some moral high-ground with unsubstantiated opinions to try and "guilt" my opinion on this issue isn't an argument. You get away with that far too frequently. I'll challenge you to debate on this issue, if you choose not to accept it, then I'll consider that as settling the issue. If you actually think you got a point to defend, let's see it in a formal debate setting. I can argue with you back and forth in the forums, but I've done that with you in the past, and I know how that will turn out. You'll avoid responding to things directly and make some broad over-arching 5 paragraph post that completely allows you to avoid having to substantiate anything. You get called out on it, then drop some one liner saying you won the argument and won't be responding further as a cheap cop out to being called out. So accept a challenge for debate on this, or just skip ahead to your one liner cop out.
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I'll be on in a few hours when I get to work g2g for a bit. Nothing I say at this juncture really matters though sir was lynched.
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@Wylted
SA told us last night he wouldn't be active today. And hes probably the second or third most active player in this game regardless. I dont really know how you want him to defend himself. The reasons for his wagon are pretty shite and he already admitted to being a noob and not knosing your not supposed to claim under less than significant pressure. What more do you want from him lol
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@drafterman
Supadudz is a sheep through and through. Being convinced by an argument is how any lynch is goinf to form. If someone makes a behavioral case in someone that convinces me I might give a. One liner in support and put my vote on said person as well if I agree with what their saying. Press, pie, gp, speed all seem to fit in there. Most of the wagon on SA formed because "well its the only thing we got right now even if its weak" which is a way worse alternative I think.
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@Vader
Supadudz that's a cop out. You were literally on the same wagon. You switch back and forth at your convienence. I doubt anyone will buy the argument of "lunatics such a dipshiy he risked being ousted as mafia by blatantly steering a lynch away from his scum buddy" in the event that SA is scum.I give my reasons for SA, he turns scum, FOS on Lunatic
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