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I have no clue what that means. I did what I said I did. Only thing I can think of is the line about unkowingly, meaning some fvckery happened, that or mharman is scum and its MYLO.
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I am not liking the absorber claim tbh. Just on face value, seems like a fake claim. But I can't really participate much today, its my weekend and I have plans, I will do my best to check in time to time
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@whiteflame
This makes some sense of your earlier reads, though it also means you're not role confirmed. Were you role blocked either NP?
NP1
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@ILikePie5
So if I get NKed tonight you’d have to retarget me tonight right?
I assume so based on the term "Unlimited" but that also sounds broken. I asked wylted, didn't think about that honestly.
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My character is The 120 year life cap (dealing with the theory about god designing humans to have long life spans due to an interpretation of genesis 6:3) and my role is Apportioner. I can target a player and extend their life by one day/night phase cycle. I have targeted pie both night phases. NP1 because I was fairly confident in my town read on him plus he kept dying np1 in every game recently and I felt bad and remembered him saying doctors never protect him. And np2 I targeted him because he was essentially confirmed town after the Casey exchanges dp1 and him confirming having Casey’s role PM.
My role is unlimited which I thought was pretty powerful, but it’s also another reason why I didn’t doubt two killing roles in the balance. Banana played this horribly, I don’t regret my decision to lynch her and I am surprised as hell she was town…. Wow just wow….
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@ILikePie5
Not a ton has updated since these, maybe I scum lean joebob slightly less based on the claim, but not like he is in the clear either.
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@Vader
I have an FoS on Joe, Luna, and Mharman
I have addressed your read on me. What’s with the lingering suspicion?
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I am going to be really surprised if banana is town. I’m keeping my vote on her.
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@JoeBob
Apparently as long as he gets theee votes he can use his vig shot unlimited
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I will go through the list and give my reads, though they aren't extensive.
Greyparrot-Lean town? Hit or miss with this claim, it feels real, and I buy it for now. I think the role and claim are real regardless, whether its affiliated with scum or not is another story. Part of me doubts he would get scum twice in a row after his flop last game, but thats mod psyche I don't really wanna delve into either.
Pie- Lock town, based on confirmation of casey and comments made last day phase that cement this. I don't see scum just getting a townie role like that. Also casey was pushing pie most of the day phase, it would look scummy for him to turn around and kill her. Just doesn't fit pie's MO.
Mharman- Lean town, mostly based on his aggressiveness, which reads townie from mharman. I don't fully buy a lot of his logic, and I don't really understand some of his logical processes especially in day phase 1, but I do think they come from a genuine place. I don't really like his banana defense in dp1 especially in light of how she is acting and appearing now, but so far thats the only thing pinging me with him, and to be fair, a lot of people were town reading her dp1 not just him. He just gave me the most sh1t over it so it stood out to me. I think this version of mharman is too brazen to be scum though, and I haven't seen a scum mharman in a while so I don't know if I remember his scum meta too well, so far he is playing more town like to me.
Vader- Lean town, I think its pretty ballsy of him to claim credit for a kill, and we know there was two night kills so I buy town having a second killing role over the alternative that mafia is just busted OP and have two killing roles. He can prove his role easily enough and can apparently keep shooting, which is definitely not something I would expect mafia to be able to do. I don't see him claiming kill credit as scum regardless, and balance wise I think he makes sense in a 14 player game.
Owen - Null, scum? I don't think he has provided a lot of hard hitting analysis and has been bandwagoning a lot in day phase one. He could be lazy town, or lurking scum. He's mostly null, but I'd lean towards scum over town in this instance.
Banana- Probably scum. I don't like her hesitance on giving information and the "CC" on vader. She is clearly claiming a different role than vader, and largely her balance arguments are just wrong. She's only played in 9 player games, of which I pointed to a recent on that DID have two killing roles. This is a 14 player game which allows for more chaos and leeway with killing roles. If she's town she is playing this very badly by not cooperating with information that could be important to helping us solve the game, and she is also not thinking outside the box if she thinks two killing roles can't exist with each other. It's more likely she is scum and was hoping to ride her town cred from last day phase into a vader CC. I like pie, don't think she is lying about the killing role, but I can see mafia having some kind of killing role too like bomb or super saint, so it doesn't help her cause much even if she is telling the truth. Lastly I feel like she lied to me about having a justification. Her justification being "its about hamas so im a killing role" makes no sense. After claiming she knew what her justification is, I don't like that it was basically non existent.
Joebob- Lean scum. Joebob was a passive mafia player in most of the games of his I can remember and he's been playing this one largely the same as the last few times he's been scum. He seems to be just going with the flow and trying to stay under the radar. I don't like it, and I think he's likely scum. I'd like to pursue his claim at some point this day phase.
Austin- Null, largely due to inactivity. He has made a few posts that aesthetically feel town, but I just don't think there is enough from him at this point to form a solid conclusion, and I am giving him a pass for the activity since wylted started the game early. I am assuming austin will pick up the pace soon.
Barney- Null due to lack of activity. We should probably pursue barney for a claim as well this phase.
Whiteflame- Null/ slight scum I am naturally always suspicious of whiteflame, especially after ERB watching his genius at work. Plus other games where he has steam rolled as scum. I have a hard time clearign whiteflame in general. The only real thing I didn't like from him dp1 that stood out was his change in stance about getting information, after just pushing for information early in dp1 of the last game.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll say that I still don’t like Banana. I also mentioned in DP that I thought Banana was hyperbolizing the 14 post. Savant said nothing about it even though he had 14 posts. I even said something along the lines of “no one has claimed something with 14 post,” and Savant was quiet about that. My current read is that Savant was scum, and Supa shot correctly. Because he shot correctly and scum didn’t expect Supa would be a Vig, Supa wasn’t manipulated. The flip also establishes the long PM standard. I think we’re also forgetting that it’s conceivable Scum Banana could actually have a killing role, and she’s telling the truth about that piece. My only hesitation is why CC. I’d guess that it’s because she was already exposed with the PM link, and if she gets hammered or whatever, the hammerer dies due to her role. The behavior for Banana is also off, and the arguments she’s making about balance and two killing roles make more sense coming from someone more experienced vs Banana
I don't really like what I am seeing from banana either. If she is town, I will blame it on noobiness I guess, but there is usually never any benefit from withholding information from the town the way she is doing.
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@Vader
My FoS with Luna comes from what I was saying in DP1 about him putting pressure on banana for not reading then suddenly backing off, which now looks EVEN MORE suspicious imo considering what we are dealing with this DP.
My problem with banana was that she claimed she didnt read her role pm, so how would she know her justification if pressured? It actually is a bigger problem now because now she is saying she basically has no justification, which means she lied and that was the only reason I unvoted her in the first place.
I also just think a lot of what analysis Luna is doing this DP and some of the last DP just seems like, a lot of just letting other people control the DP.
No one listens to me when I try and "control the day phase". Look at last game, I was yelling at walls trying to preach to you fvcks that austin was town and no one listened to me. That said, I don't have as many solid town reads this game as I did last game. And my main read was on wylted last game which I ended up being wrong about, which I realized in the end, but the point is I don't want to push lynches like that unless I am super confident in my read or if theres no drawback to them.
I noticed in ERB mafia even when he claimed Justice, he sort of set the precedent for where he was and then let town and others just in fight within themselves and just edge them along. I'm noticing a similiar pattern in this game in this game as well. There is a huge fuckery going on in this DP that should be prime for Lunatic going in on this DP giving a lot of thoughtful analysis and it's just a lot of basic stuff and have really a bit of substanace to it.
I don't know what you want from me, my vote is on banana, and I agree with pie that she needs to be helping this further by giving her information. I don't see the point in really pursuing other avenues until we can move past the obstacle that banana is being.
Btw I agree with your joebob read, he feels like he is lurking quite a bit, which is something I notice he does a lot as scum. He hasn't really pushed any real thought provoking activity, or had reads of his own, which I feel like he would as town. That said, I am keeping my vote on banana until she claims further but I'd be down to help you get info from joebob at some point this phase. I will say that I think it is more likely you are town too, though I can't explain for the janitor thing that happened to savant, I don't see why you would admit to a kill if you were scum. I buy the wifom at least.
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@iamanabanana
Vader is claiming that he can kill people unlimited amount of times. I am claiming a 1x killing role. Do you think wylted puts an unlimited killing role alongside an x shot killing role? Something isn't right here.
you kind of have a point there, an everynight killing role is kind of OP. I still think you should claim though. If your pushing the narrative there can only be one killing role, I have no reason to believe its him over you, or why mafia would get two night kills, or why there would be two third parties, etc. Also just to note, ERB mafia just happened and it had a PGO and a bookie (Two killing roles) and that was only a 9 player game. If there was going to be two killing roles in a game, it makes sense it would be in a 14 player game.
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@Vader
@iamanabanana
balance wise, in a 14 player game, its not out of the question for two killing roles to be town. That said I still think it benefits town to have the full information here, which is on you banana.
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@iamanabanana
No need to hold out on information at this point banana.
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@whiteflame
@WyIted
Earth, meanwhile, flipped "role- Removed" with an affiliation and character. I have no clue how to take this one. Can someone remove a role from a dead player and use it? It's not something I'm familiar with and, based on Earth's claim, it's not something anyone would want to do.
Yeah what the hell is this about Wylted?
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@Vader
So you have no clue at all why your kill wasn't showing in the OP?
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@Earth
I'll just pop in and say this is bullshit and you know it. If Banana flips town, are you going to say she was purposely acting scummy?
I didn't know it, all she said was she didn't read her role PM. She clarified that she knows her justification so I unvoted, that was all I was asking her. You lot turned it into some major scum tell where it wasn't.
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vtl earth, he can't joint win with town, and we can't leave him alive to the end, better than a mislynch with time expiring, best to get him out of the game early.
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@Owen_T
Vtl LunaNeither have given much to work off of, but Luna's reaction to Banana is weird to me.
Explain why a person who doesn't read their role pm isn't scummy. She didn't say at first her role and justification was seperate, so from my POV she didn't know the most basic thing a townie should know about their role if pressured, if she was scum thats a convienent excuse to avoid pressure.
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I havent read the entire controversy line by line, but the effort in general between all three players makes it feel like it is town/town/town in regards to casey Mharmand and pie. Mharmans aggression feels townie, pie doesn't strike me oddly in any way, and casey is noticeably different then last game, and likely town. This may change but for now I am leaning the three of you as town.
Owens reads and remarks have been un-impressive, and I am not sure if he still gets the noob card. I am a little suspicious of him. Banana isn't clear for me, but i'd say shes NAI. Austin, joebob, whiteflame, GP, anyone else I haven't mentioned are null and I'll have to look into them when I have more time.
Like I said, I won't be the most participatory this day phase but I will do my best. Been playing a video game pretty hardcore this weekend, and havent diverted much attention to other things, but I WILL be active during my work week starting tomorrow night.
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@iamanabanana
For pie and luna and anyone still asking about my stupid role PM: I am sorry I didn't clarify this earlier, but my role justification and my role are in the first message, completely SEPERATE from the other 13 messages. The other 13 messages are like a journal entry or something. I know what my justification and role is without reading all that. Are you happy now? I guess I should have been more specific, didn't think you all would read into it so much...Anyways catching up now
Alright thats all you had to say. unvote
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I am pretty behind, I am not usually active til Tuesday as Saturday Sunday Monday are my weekends. not sure I’ll have a chance to catch up today. Mharman go fuck yourself, your entire read on me makes no sense as you agreed with me about banana needing to read her on you just created excuses for her and I didn’t. So fuck you and your “need” for me to claim this day phase.
Anyways to the rest of you I’ll be more active after tuesday
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@Mharman
Appreciate your feedback but i'd appreciate to hear banana's own defense for herself.
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@Mharman
Like seriously, how can one not be suspicious of Pie, Vader, or Lunatic, but be suspicious of Banana?
Because I cannot fathom a townie not doing the most basic and easy thing they can do to help town by reading their OWN role pm. She’s provided herself the perfect scapegoat for pressure by not being able to provide information and justification for her role by being “lazy” and not reading her PM.
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@whiteflame
I think everyone will have a hard time putting information on the theme together given how odd the theme is. That's more of a problem for town this game than it is for scum, though. I doubt scum are going to have trouble faking their claims in a game with so many oddities in the character and role departments, so providing specific information on everyone's characters is only going to help scum more easily derive town roles.If there's value in doing narrowing claims, it's not going to be found in giving too much information away this early.
I didn't disagree, just pointed out it was an odd observation.
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@Casey_Risk
I don't think our characters have to do with what we voted for. I voted for Heaven/Hell and got a diary entry.
I dont think so either, vader implied that.
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@Vader
Ok I am going to defend Banana because you picked Heaven / Hell. Banana picked Diary. It's clear the two justifications clearly differ from yours and what Banana's is.
1. She chose heaven/hell too
2. I am not pressuring her for having a "different" justification, but for claiming she didn't read it.
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@iamanabanana
Why are you voting me? I understand what my role is and how it works, the rest of the 14 messages do not impact my role. It seems like it's a copy and pasted diary entry of his thoughts on the israel vs hamas conflict. I don't know why reading all of that would be relevant.
So if pressed for a justification you couldn’t justify your role? How can anyone believe your role is town over scum if you yourself don’t know? I don’t see how you don’t see this as an issue frankly.
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@Greyparrot
i will probably blow up and kill all the town
You just love exploding and taking out as many people with you don’t you….
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@Owen_T
I think we can take Ana out of today's lynch pool. From what I can see, 14 messages is indeed peculiar. A mafia member wouldn't want to make themselves immediately stand out like that.
I disagree. I find it unusual she didn’t read her full role PM and don’t know how she can understand her role if she didn’t read it. I feel like town would have an interest in Making sure they knew as much information as possible to help solve the game. In fact I’ll put my money where my mouth is.
VTL banana
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@whiteflame
Going to push back on doing something this specific. For some people at least, doing this is bound to give away a number of characters, or at least make it a lot easier to narrow it down. Luna and I were scum a couple of games back and used far less to figure out almost everyone's character and roles.
I’m not full on sussing you yet for this but I find it odd that I pointed out this line of logic out to you last game where you were town and you still suggested we gather some form of information. I find it extra peculiar because this theme seems so “out there” that it would provide an extra challenge to scum in solving it.
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@Barney
I distrust Lunatic right now, due to the extra Supa/Vader vote. But if town or scum the answer is too obvious to need to ask, and it’s a valid answer (we all make that kind of mistake).
I can say I genuinely did not see the savant vote, and was kind of thinking it was wierd Whiteflame was posting and not being the third vote so it made sense why when savant pointed out he already was the third vote. Anyways why is that a cause for suspicion regardless, I don’t think Vader said it would be messed up if he got to three votes twice?
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@iamanabanana
Hello all. My Role PM was 14 messages long. I didn't read the whole thing, but I got the idea of it
As in the justification part or the role part takes 14 Messages from Wylted to explain? That’s kind of wild
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@WyIted
Also I was a vanilla and couldn't be cleared and the lynch would have been Vader if it wasn't austin
If you were roleblocked and a night kill went off you’d be confirmed town
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@AustinL0926
It seemed like everyone was willing to admit that in hindsight. I don’t know why you being town seemed so unbelievable at the time to so many people lol. If it’s any consolation though I knew mafia HAD to be in that wagon, because letting you live would have been game breaking for them so it helped me to scrutinize people’s motivations and was one of my reasons for lynching Casey.
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@ILikePie5
Pie - Protect LunaticI had faith in you since the beginning
What a G!
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@Mharman
Yeah ur reads have been sharp since misreading Wylted in Inheritance Cycle. I remember being a little concerned about you figuring the whole thing out in that game after DP3 - it’s not the main reason we NKd you tho
Oh yeah that game I was struggling with my sleep schedule, couldn’t really be active enough to lead anything and the day phases kept expiring lol. Not my best game
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