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@Earth
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@Savant
@Casey_Risk
Day phase 1
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Game Setup:
This will be an open setup. Think of the role category as your character, and your role as your role. All players in this game were given choices prior to the start of the game for their role. That said, the game has the potential to be pretty crazy depending on what roles and counters were picked, or there could be a potential for misbalance, the game balance was entirely determined by player choice, though with the concept I tried to put as many balancing measures as I could with the theme setup, there is inevitably scenarios where one side could be stronger than the other. So don't blame me too hard if this one flops, but it's an experimental idea I've had for a while.
There are no third parties in this game. This is a 2 v 7 town/mafia game only. All lynches will flip immediately after death. As usual, roles may exist outside of normal, roles I self created, or roles could have flavors or mechanics that work differently from popular sites like mafiascum, epicmafia, or mafiauniverse. If you have questions about your role PM or it's mechanics, please message me as I won't answer questions about unflipped roles publicly. Most answers about how a hypothetical role in the game would work that is not your own will be answered as follows. "I am sorry but I cannot answer your question as it involves mechanics about hypothetical roles". This isn't done to be annoying or to be a pr1ck or anything, I have just hosted tons of games and have seen many ways people will use answers like this to "town confirm" other players based on their perception of mod psyche, and it just caused too many issues for either side, so I don't really mess around with it anymore.
7 of the following 9 Role Categories belong to the town. Mafia will have role options to pick from not on this list however.
The following categories are:
Protective
Investigative
Manipulation
Negative Utility
Killing
Role Prevention
Voting
Passive
Communication
Investigative
Manipulation
Negative Utility
Killing
Role Prevention
Voting
Passive
Communication
Living Players:
1. iLikePie5
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Earth
5. Savant
6. Wylted
7. Austin
8. Vader
9. Greyparrot
With nine players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach a lynch. The day phase ends in 72 hours barring no extension requests, or at 1/21/25 @ 4:00PM CST. Good luck everyone, have fun!
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@Cerulean
1. iLikePie5
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Earth
5. Savant
6. Austin
7. Vader
8. Greyparrot
9.
Still need one more!
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1. iLikePie5
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Earth
5. Savant
6. Austin
7.Vader
8. Greyparrot
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Might need a replacement for wylted if anyone is interested, he is MIA over 24 hours
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My schedule kind of messes with me being able to lead lynches, im up all night when everyone has gone to sleep, which makes it take 24 hours to get responses to questions, which inevitably slows down a 3 day phase. Two no lynches bites, but yeah I blame my schedule for it.
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@ILikePie5
I thought Lunatic was relying way too much on themes with respect to Wylted at the expense of behavioral analysis (which imo is his strong suit).
I stand by the lynch, we could afford it at the time, and it was too risky to leave the main antagonist alive like that. Also I was Eragon and town, so I had plenty of reason to believe his adversary would be scum, regardless it was a good information lynch, and his results would also harm people in proving their roles either way.
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@Mharman
@AustinL0926
Good job on selling that bus. I mean I would have been forced to reconsider after whiteflame result from cerulean, but you guys were bussing each other all game. I kind of suspected both of you for different reasons, but I don't think I would have guessed you guys as a scum team.
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Role options were sent out! Game will start when all players have selected their role.
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1. iLikePie5
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Earth
5. Savant
6. Wylted
7. Austin
8. Vader
9. Greyparrot
Roles going out
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@Greyparrot
@Cerulean
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1. iLikePie5
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Earth
5. Savant
6. Wylted
7. Austin
8. Vader
9.
Just need one more to start after pies game
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@Vader
will do
1. iLikePie5
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Earth
5. Savant
6. Wylted
7. Austin
8. Vader
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1. iLikePie5
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Earth
5. Savant
6. Wylted
7. Austin
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I dont like how ADOL said he would bandwagon me and mharman and immediately turns on mharman when whiteflame votes him
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@AustinL0926
I gave my legacy post yesterday in response to cerulean, not much has changed. I still think ADOL doesn't line up here but it also feels like the easiest option here, and part of me thinks it could legit be noob town. But claim wise, I think he has kind of the worst one if its literally basing it off of arya singing to saphira one time. IDk man, I think its probably more likely there is at least one maybe both scum are veterans. You and whiteflame could be it as well, and I wouldn't hella surprised on that front, I Can tell the mafia is good this game.
I'd say I would be surprised if its cerulean at this point only. I havent liked mharman behavior all game.
IDK I am like equally suspcious of 4 people, I wanna trust you austin, but I feel like I can't. I just don't know.
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In all honesty I don't have the energy to lead a lynch and will be asleep when the phase ends. Ill try to check in if I wake up and cast a vote with my gut, but I can see myself losing this game, and I guess I can accept that fact, but hopefully we can get it right
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Thats how pie phrased it? she sang once to saphira? is that what is says in your pm, or is that from you?
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@whiteflame
And yeah, I understood what you have to say about Mharman and ADOL. Part of the problem for all four of us (I'm including Austin in this) is that we claimed this DP. All our roles have some element of sus to them, and though I'm buying Mharman's to some degree just based on balance, it's still an outlier.
I was thinking that too in terms of balance it could make sense, but with how whack some of the town roles are, it could be that there just isn't a doc/ cop mix, so far we have no clue what mafia have except for maybe one roleblocker, to counter me, austin, you, wylted, etc. I mean there is a chance the other mafia is a strongman or something to counter mharman, but with the roles we have claimed and seen or know to be true, its a lot of mafia to counter, which is why I kind of buy the negative utility modifiers on a lot of these.
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@whiteflame
And yeah, I understood what you have to say about Mharman and ADOL. Part of the problem for all four of us (I'm including Austin in this) is that we claimed this DP. All our roles have some element of sus to them, and though I'm buying Mharman's to some degree just based on balance, it's still an outlier.
I was thinking that too in terms of balance it could make sense, but with how whack some of the town roles are, it could be that there just isn't a doc/ cop mix, so far we have no clue what mafia have except for maybe one roleblocker, to counter me, austin, you, wylted, etc. I mean there is a chance the other mafia is a strongman or something to counter mharman, but with the roles we have claimed and seen or know to be true, its a lot of mafia to counter, which is why I kind of buy the negative utility modifiers on a lot of these.
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@whiteflame
I do not like that whiteflame describes her as having little to no magical impact on the events of the series, because that is just innacurate.I'm not sure where you're getting this from either of my paraphrased justifications. The closest line I can figure you're referencing is the "anything to write home about" point when it comes to how her magic is perceived, which I clarified was more about not being as flashy or grand as others. It's not about impact on the series.
I get it, I just have to try and believe pie would write that, because her character is a witch, she should literally understand and use magic more than just about anyone else. I don't know how the words "flashy or grand" really apply in terms of practicality here. I mean if you are town and pie genuinely wrote that, it's possible, I just think he misunderstood Angela if so. Parts of the claim make sense to me, and its definitely not the most suspicious of the claims, I also have issues with mharmans and ADOL's. Austins too kind of only because I am wary of how familiar with the theme he is, I don't like motivator though in context to the rest of the roles claimed, but it almost makes too much sense for Oromis.
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My gut feels mharman/ADOL scum team atm but im all over the place
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@Mharman
If he’s capable of finding an obscure role, spinning it as town, and somehow getting off Scot-free, why isn’t he capable of seeing how risky such a claim is, and making something else work?
I don't feel like he is being very risky at all with the claim, it feels very safe to me. It fits with the theme of "new roles" we are seeing from pie this game, and he was roleblocked both nights. If he is scum he is definitely playing it more safe, though you can view the roleblock gambit as being ballsy, but I did note that was a town aspect of him I was considering as well.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I think if theme logic worked Wylted would have been scum. I've given up on figuring out anything from that and I advise you too as well. I agree the justification for my role is weak, but just like Wylted there is nothing I can do about that; I didn't match the character to the role.I don't have the experience of the past games of mafia here, but if there is a theme of unusual roles pick the most normal role and lynch him/her.
Theme split vs Theme logic, I think theme logic has made a lot of sense for what we've seen from flipped characters. Just because we don't know what the split isn't, doesn't mean characters aren't matching their role descriptions. Can you paraphrase your link from your character to your role? Do not copy and paste it as you will get mod killed, but do your best to say what the mod said in your own words. That might help me understand the logic with Arya being a singer more.
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Gun to my head, if I had to make a decision RIGHT now, I might go with ADOL.
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@Cerulean
Lunatic, where are you at, both theme-wise and overall? Regardless of what happens, this is probably your last day, so it would be good if you had a complete-ish legacy.
I am struggling with ADOL's claim, I really just don't like it compared to what we've seen with the other claims so far. He never provided a justification, but as far as I am aware, singing is a hobby of Arya'sm but a minor one, and not often mentioned in the books, nor is it like a really big impact on the character. So far all the flipped roles are heavily related to events that occur in the books, or link strongly to the character. The only real positive to the role is that it is an unusual role that I've never seen pie use before, which seems to fit the theme of him using un-ordinary roles this game, as I believe you pointed out earlier. I also see the issues with all the negative utility that you mentioned. I guess it's not impossible for all this negative utility to exist, but it makes me wonder what pie did to balance the scum team if so.
Behaviorally, his read on wylted was pretty straightforward about him being an antagonist, and was kind of narrowed in on the thematic aspect. My read on wylted had way more behavioral aspects to it that his was just missing, so I can see wylted being an oppertunistic lynch for him as scum who has book knowledge to take advantage over.
Not the biggest fan of Mharmans claim for reasons explained earlier, but this one largely actually depends on how pie views the character, because in a way it does make perfect sense for Nasuada to be bulletproof from a pure "fanboy" perspective of the character. She is a badass and goes through a lot in the series. But the same can be said for Murtagh, Thorn and Arya who were all torturted longer and worse arguably by Galbatorix, especially in Arya's case. Part of me thinks it is weird that she would be bulletproof over other characters, but if pie just is a huge fan of Nasuada, I can see it a little bit, because we actually get the perspective of Nasuada as a reader more so than we do from Arya/Murtagh. One positive is that bulletproof technically qualifies as a protective role, and he is the only claimed role from that category atm, given that we essentially had a vigilante who could kill multiple people (me the arsonist), it makes sense to give town some counter measure to my role in the chance I use it wrong and chaos ensues. Behaviorally, last day phase I didn't really like Mharman's reads and efforts. He was defending wylted a lot, but it seemed more to come from inside knowledge rather than logic, and mharman is a very logic driven person as town. He also hasn't exhibited a lot of the same townie indecisiveness I have seen from him in previous games, where he seems to question and backtrack on reads and seem overly vocal with his thought proccesses. Behaviorally I just don't see him really being as big of a presence as I usually feel he is as town, and that worries me about him.
Whiteflame, I can see a world where voodoo lady kind of makes sense, she is a strange individual. I do not like that whiteflame describes her as having little to no magical impact on the events of the series, because that is just innacurate. The character is literally described as a witch. For me to buy this, I have to assume pie didn't do his research, or maybe just kind of didn't understand the character, but he seems to have understood other characters so well that this is something I struggle believing. If there was an error made here, I see it being more likely to stem from faulty research on the part of a potential fake claimer. It also doesn't help he has no results or anything really to prove his role to this point. Whiteflame in general tends to fly under the radar for me behaviorally, so I do not have anything crazy impactful on that front, though it is worth noting he was ready and willing to take part of both mislynches (the first one he was one didn't go through to time reasons) whereas I have noted in the past whiteflames pretty willing to take advantage of a mislynch oppertunity as scum. The same argument I used with ADOL applies to him though about the odd claim existing in a game with plenty of new roles fits, though he claimed late enough as mafia he would probably be smart enough to catch this as a trend and prepare a fake claim around it. Same goes for his partner if scum. Lastly one positive I will say is confirming the existence of a roleblocker seems like a ballsy move as scum, and I am more likely to think the double roleblock could be a set up by the mafia to make him look scummy with the logic of "It's convenient as heck to have no results dp3". It could be whiteflame risking people would just believe him, but as I mentioned to you shortly ago, it kind of makes sense balance wise to have a mafia roleblocker with some relatively weak town power roles so they kind of have to get hit with something (luck would be against town here as everyone seems to have conveniently targeted wrong).
Austin now, he does have a kind of stronger thematic claim, though as scum I would also expect this from him since he is one of those familiar with the books, having recently read them. My only problem is that it almost fits "too well" and motivator is a role we've seen a lot of in recent games, where this game feels like pie experimenting with unique roles. I don't think motivator is a unique role any more with how often we see it. But just because we are seeing a lot of new roles doesn't necessarily mean ONLY meant to use new roles, though it certainly is a convincing theory. Behaviorally, I don't see a ton of issues with him, he did provide more reasoning than ADOL did with the wylted lynch, so I can't really fault him for that. But he was also among your wagon with whiteflame on the dp1 lynch, so austin has been more of an aggressive lyncher in this game, which doesn't neccesarily mean scum all the time, but is something to think about. Idk ultimately I don't have a lot against austin, and the fact that I am kind of town reading him on paper makes my gut kind of not trust him if that makes sense. I tend to be wrong about austin alot. So the fact that he feels town, feels wrong to me, and ultimately is telling me he needs to be higher on my radar than he is.
You, Cerulean, I probably like your claim the best here ultimately because of how well it fit, and how early you had claimed it. Elva as Oracle makes sense to me the more I remember about the character, and it being modified weakly also makes sense because her power was also a terrible curse in the book. Behaviorally I am starting to like you more and more with your thought proccesses this day phase, I do feel you were kind of a non entity dp2, but you are making a come back and seem to be genuinely solve the game from an unknown town perspective. I have been fooled by you as mafia before, but I do feel you are more strongly town at this point than some of the others. The fact that you were nearly lynched dp1 and the wagons were consistent through the first two day phases makes me wonder if I am seeing a pattern.
So yeah I kind of suspect everyone right now except maybe you, and I know we are closing in on decision time so I will have to think about this one really hard. But I do want see where other people's thoughts are and maybe that will help me come to a conclusion.
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@Cerulean
Maybe. It's possible that since we appear to have so much negative utility, Mafia might also have some sort of negative utility that restricts their kill ability? That's just spitballing, though.
I don't know if they would need a negative utility, but probably makes sense for them to maybe have only one counter to a role, my guess is the roleblocker (if we are to assume whiteflame isn't lying, maybe another counter if he is) and maybe the second mafia is a passive role or something, which would leave at least some risk between being caught by the cop, arsonist, or Oracle/Voodoo lady (pairing these in the likely even one is town one is scum).
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@Cerulean
What does your targeting a person do?I think ADOL misinterpreted voting for WyIted as something that should have been reported.
Ohh that makes sense...
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Mharman/whiteflame scum team, Cerulean you solved it! jk. But lowkey might be some logic to that, since they are the only normalish roles in a game with entirely new roles being used.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What does your targeting a person do?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You choose the role the mafia sees if you die?!?! I am confused
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@Mharman
Thoughts on his justification?
Technically fits the character, but its one of those that also applies to multiple people in the series. I would say Eragon probably gets his biggest power buff from Oromis in the series though
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@Earth
@Barney
@ADreamOfLiberty
@Cerulean
@iamanabanana
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@whiteflame
@Mharman
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
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