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Part of me feels like we are dismissing Wylted entirely too easily too here. Wylted is a clever bastard. Any chance he could have been CCing Austin and knew his character was different all along and was hoping it would look like a town slip? I am only thinking this because I just didn’t see him switching so conveniently like that to team savant. And he was very good in the last game. So I’m either over estimating him or I’m just wrong.
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@Savant
I literally said I am not affiliation confirmable.
I wasn’t talking to you. Making the point because town tends to think that if a role is proven then said person is automatically in the town pool.
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lmao "Savant supporters" get over yourself bro
Ego has nothing to do with it, so idk what you mean by that. If he’s scum (which I know he is if Austin is telling the truth) then shouldn’t we want to look into the people that are distracting from his lynch? Or are you only against this logic because your own one of those people lol
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Just throwing it out there pie was literally just a scum magistrate in Austin’s game.
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I’m gonna be looking real closely at the savant supporters in following day phases. If I die, the rest of you should too.
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Also I’d rather just claim my character if I really have to. I feel like my role can be inferred from it, but at least we can keep scum guessing to some degree.
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@AustinL0926
Austin ima ask you one last time if your sure. If you really want my claim I will. I am not gonna claim to any of these other fvcks though. I’m still in awe that Wylted fell for savant.
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@Mharman
But I want his full role claim
Of course you do. This is consistent with you begging everyone earlier for information too. You just want to out everyone’s info don’t you?
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This really sucks. I really don’t want to claim and I heavily hinted to Austin earlier why I didn’t. I feel like we were so close to just lynching scum Austin and town over thought this.
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Anyways with Austin’s revelation that he is not pulling some town gambit, I am forced to keep my vote on savant here. If he flips town then Austin is scum.
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damn. Despite what I just said part of me doesn’t see mharman dipping on a scum mate like that if he’s scum.
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And Whiteflame has a point about joebob too. I keep forgetting he’s in the game. He feels far more silent than usual.
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@whiteflame
Luna, you mentioned wanting to pressure Mharman and Earth. They both at least posted some response, with the former being defensive of their posture and the latter being dismissive. Setting aside their responses, I do find it odd that after they responded, no one addressed this. There’s been very little focus on Mharman, Earth, JoeBob and me throughout much of this DP.
I’m still a bit skeptical of Mharman and earth. Earth seemed to be opportunistic in taking advantage of what I feel is an objectively bad read, and Mharman kind of got defensive about it and dodgy and tried to make the whole thing look like a misunderstanding about RVS. I do feel like he should know me well enough as an experienced player though considering he is one of the few people here that actually come from DDO mafia to know I wouldn’t outright try to death tunnel quotes over something stupid like that. I also feel like he hasn’t really contributed in a way that feels investigative, or that he’s trying to scum hunt. His plan to get information from the town doesn’t help either. I get that we’ve done similar things in the past to lock character claims in, but those things have different circumstances, ie in the last game pie was asking for categories. That locks in a person to a claim
But doesn’t give mafia any adverse information.
Him asking for information like whether or not our character is a lawyer, and what year they were born just feels like way too much iinformation and I don’t see how that helps town at all. That type of information would make it easy to research what character a person is. And this game I feel like characters and role links are a bit more obvious. At least it is in my role PM which is specifically why him asking for that information strikes me as odd.
I threw earth in there because he lightly echoed mharmans earlier thoughts on the RVS thing but ultimately he isn’t really doing anything else. I just saw him jump on a read that seemed popular at the time while I was absent and so that screams scummy to me, but ultimately earth hasn’t really contributed a lot, which is typical of earth regardless of affiliation. I feel like he’s someone we shouldn’t ignore though or let fly under the radar. But yeah I think I’m more sus of mharman of the two.
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@AustinL0926
I am ngl I think Savant and Owen is the team. Thoughts?
The buddying is a bit blatant if that’s the case, but then again Owen is newer. I figured he might have known savant outside of mafia or from some other thread maybe that’s why he’s buddying him? Idk it’s possible though
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@WyIted
I was doing this for several years. Now I constantly think everything is potentially confirmation bias. Even when I sounded confident about Casey being scum.last game I kept going back to their posts So I could look for evidencenI was wrong.I am not asking anybody to waver in confidence or showing confidence in lynches, but they should be practicing dialectical thinking about their reads constantly. (Not to the point of paralysis by analysis only to the point of being open to other possibilities).
In savant's case, I am more pointing it out that he doesn't actually scum read me. He is buying all into austins results. So if he is town then he is literally just having to create reasons to sus me because he knows he is town, which is the same thing he would do as scum with manufacturing reads IE; the confirmation bias. You see him doing that in post 270.
He goes from not scum reading me to "luna must be scum for reasons 1-3" and making a case out of it, as if it should be obvious. That's why if he's town I am gonna be pissed. Depending on whether austin is BS'ing results or not, I have a hard time scum reading this action independently, because we've seen him do it as town. Maybe austin has caught something of a scum tell and knows something we don't, or maybe he really does have results, in which case austin really is scum. But idk, I don't read this action itself as scummy but that's why I was lecturing him for it. I get being wrong about a read but still following through with it like you did with casey. Though in casey's case he also damned himself with that claim. I feel you could have been swayed by a rational argument from him, but he panicked under pressure and made a horrible claim without even discussing it with whiteflame.
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@WyIted
Please be town because I don't need this shit about RVS every game which Wil co tinder tl happen if you are scjm
Sorry I don't speak Wylted. I need a translator
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@Mharman
Post #292, please and thank you.
I dont think for this theme its a good idea. There are characters that I feel would be easily guessed at their roles by their claim alone.
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@Owen_T
From what I've seen, Savant hasn't been fooling around at all.
It's not fooling around that I am talking about. It's his insane tunnel vision. We've had multiple problems in games where his ego gets in the way and he will hard tunnel someone based on them either dis-agreeing with them, or for faulty reasons. He was right one time, and since then has led some crazy death tunnels against both me and pie in games and was wrong about them. He tends to not be able to look past his own confirmation bias and that can be a huge problem in mafia. I used to act that way all the time, and would lead mislynches, which is why it's kind of a harping point for me when I see other people do it. Don't want to see them making the same mistakes I used to make early on in mafia. Savant is a smart guy, he just can be a bit too stubborn, which isn't a good trait in mafia. I was hoping he had learned his lesson after death tunneling pie in the last game, resulting in two townies almost being killed.
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@Mharman
Due to the fact that Wylted had the whole debacle where he incorrectly CC'd Austin. I don't think anyone could scumread him after that.
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The only reasoning I've seen you give is this whole RVS thing. Got anything more than a disagreement over what we think of when we hear the acronym "RVS?"
I mean that was the whole argument
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@Owen_T
3. Luna said that lynching me might be a good call even if I am town, because I was wrong about scum and tunneled in a previous game. Advocating lynching someone even if they are town seems more likely to come from a scum player than a town player, imo.There is still that
I stand by my decision to lynch anti town players.
This was my response to savant "If you were to behave like that again I would 100% lynch you even if I thought you were town. I’ve done it before to teach lessons and I’ll do it again. I’ve played this game since 2010. I don’t care about winning anymore. I wan't healthy games. If players like you come in acting a fool every time in the long run I’ll lose a few games to get people like you to change your behavior to play normally.
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@Mharman
In my mind, an RVS is one of the first posts you make in a game, almost immediately after the game starts and nothing is going on. In my mind, it is not a post made a page and a half after the game has started, two hours after your first post. I felt like stuff was going on by then.
No it doesn't have to be the first post. I am okay with RVS anytime there is no activity or anything to go on. Nothing was going on by the time I tried that.
I suppose I'll back off on that point given that different players are going to have different ideas about this sort of thing, but I don't know why you would expect me to have your idea on that.
Due to the fact that I have been off wylted for way longer than I was on him. I have been on you almost twice as long.
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@Owen_T
Random Voting Stage. Basically it;s a means to apply pressure early on in a game to get reactions out of people. If people over react to the pressure, or omgus you, it's likely they have something to hide. More experienced players like Wylted probably are familiar with this tactic so it didn't work. Which is why I was doubling down about being serious, but I am not gonna actually lynch someone early for reason like that. It's basically to get activity going and start the ball rolling.
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@Owen_T
You unvoted him way after you voted, after the whole name thing.
Exactly my point; RVS.
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@Mharman
Seriously if he was RVSing it doesn't make sense to do it so late...
Late? I voted him four hours into the day phase. It was page 2 lol.
and even if that is somehow an RVS in Lunatic's mind, how tf am I gonna know that?
By the fact I unvoted him and am not still currently trying to push him for it.
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@Mharman
Question: How was I supposed to know your vote on Wylted was RVS?
Having to define is defeats the purpose of RVS. You would know after the fact by the fact that I stopped voting him very early and started pressuring elsewhere.
1. You said you were dead serious on it in post #72.
.Well I still am, I do think wyted is likely to be scum at some point due to the fact that its been forever since he's been scum. But I am not gonna lynch him for that. Though I was looking for some kind of reaction. Though even if he is scum he probably knows how to read RVS too well to fall for it, but worth a try anyway just in case.
2. You started your participation in this game with six posts of analysis (including Wylted).
The game had just started there was nothing to go on. I voted wylted on page 2 lol.
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@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
I expect this type of behavior from savant whose kind of a known retard at this point, But I wanna lynch mharman or earth. They should know better.
Help me pressure mharman.
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1. I'm willing to admit that scum is probably me or Luna. Luna hasn't admitted that. My question is, why would a scum player admit they are in a very small POE? It doesn't work in their interest.
or Austin is town and pulling a gambit thinking that the odds favor him being right in one of us. That’s what I think he is doing and he could be wrong. If he comes out and admits that his results are 100% real I’ll vote you.
2. Luna sussed WyIted solely based on mod psyche and voted for WyIted based on that suspicion. It seems like such a stretch to actually vote based on WyIted not being scum yet. Now we know that WyIted is probably town due to an earlier slip, which makes Luna's read make even less sense.
It was an RVs vote. Even wylted is telling you to stop this point. Your only bringing it up as confirmation bias which is proof that your falling back into a tunnel vision mindset.
3. Luna said that lynching me might be a good call even if I am town, because I was wrong about scum and tunneled in a previous game. Advocating lynching someone even if they are town seems more likely to come from a scum player than a town player, imo.
If you were to behave like that again I would 100% lynch you even if I thought you were town. I’ve done it before to teach lessons and I’ll do it again. I’ve played this game since 2010. I don’t care about winning anymore. I want healthy games. If players like you come in acting a fool every time in the long run I’ll lose a few games to get people like you to change your behavior to play normally.
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@Savant
Luna is probably panicking right now. He knows we've narrowed it down to me or him, but he can't admit that without getting himself lynched today or tomorrow. He probably hoped we would come to a different conclusion while he was offline, but there's no way I'm letting him off the hook until he at least responds. And I don't see any way out of this for him.
Yep you’re playing just like you did last game. You’ll never learn
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@Savant
VTL Luna. I want a full claim.
Nope. I’m fucking good.
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@JoeBob
Do you still think WyIted is scum? If so, is it because of the reasoning Earth just gave, or something else?
The wylted scum read was RVS bro. Earth and Mharman are probably scum and you should read the game yourself instead of taking other people’s words for what’s going on. I haven’t been on wylted for forever and I was barely on him at all lol
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You guys really dont understand RVS do you. Why are we still talking about that
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@Owen_T
Nothing but hugs and warm welcomes new guy! OR MAYBE WE LYNCH YOU WITH FIRE MWAHAHAHAH- mmm parden, I don't know what came over me....
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@WyIted
I think we should push for character claims only btw. Role if the character is scummy. I feel like the meta of getting 3 role claims dp1 gives mafia too much information. MY stance is either get no 1-2 roles MAX (0 preferable) or force everyone to mass claim, because at a certain point claims help mafia deduce more than town. Newer people and people like joebob are also very easy to full claim under pressure no matter what the role, which can bite us in the back, so that's why I am clarifying this
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@AustinL0926
Your concern is noted. What do you think of Savant? His play feels quite different to his towngame.
Well considering how it went last game for him, I'd say it is probably important for a change in play. In fact if he plays like he did last game, I wanna policy lynch him. So there being a change in this case isn't a red flag for me.
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@AustinL0926
not sure what you're talking about, but it would be anti-town to elaborate on my claim further.
I get what you’re saying but on the reverse this could have anti town results if you want to continue this gambit. That’s why I say tread carefully.
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@Savant
See, this is what comes across as suspicious to me. Obviously, I will wait for other opinions so as not to get tunnel vision. But if Austin remains adamant about his role (he should tell us ASAP if he is trolling), then scum is between the three of us. If you think Austin is lying, it seems suspicious to me that you wouldn't immediately sus him. This seems like an attempt to avoid narrowing POE.
We’re kind of reaching the point where conversation about what he’s doing could be anti town. Let’s just say if you are suspicious of him ask yourself why he would draw attention to himself like that as scum. What is his play or end goal with this if he is scum?
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@Savant
Well, it's Austin, Luna, or me. Austin could be scum and asked about Maya Fey as one of the two characters. We're guaranteed to at least get one scum, and if investigative roles help out, we could get scum with 100% probability in two lynches.Maybe someone could explain why I'm being scum read, other than just for being annoying in the last game.
It’s not that your scum read it’s more that your behavior in the last game combined with some of your previous play leads you to be likely to get tunnel vision again the second you get a read which if you tunnel someone town it’s going to end badly again. I am not sure if you learned that lesson yet or not but sometimes when you are right on a read like you were with Austin that one game, you get a little over cocky and can’t see past your own ego. I’m just saying if you end up playing like that you are a risk to town, and I’m not sure what you will do this game.
As for Austin I think he’s up to something but if he’s town than it could have negative consequences
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@AustinL0926
I don’t believe you. Not necessarily that your scum but that your trying some gambit or something. Tread carefully.
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Is Austin claiming to be a day dreamer? Is that what I’m seeing?
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@AustinL0926
If you believe my results, and think Wylted is town, then Savant should 100% be scum fypov btw.
What are your results? I missed it in the chaos of the CC. I didn’t even see your role claim
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Oh bro I forgot Mharman is in this game.
Yall think it’s plausible it could be him?
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vtl savant for not understanding rvs. Also I am pretty sure he will probably pull something like last game again, might be good to get him out of the way early regardless of his affiliation.
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