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Barney- 2/5- DD, pie
iLikePie5- 1/5- savant
420- 1/5- Barney
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@ILikePie5
Timecheck?
DP ends on Sunday, 7/7/24 at 3pm CST. Roughly under 22 hours.
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iLikePie5- 1/5- savant
Whiteflame- 2/5- wylted, DD
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iLikePie5- 1/5- savant
Whiteflame- 3/5- wylted, iLikePie5, DD
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Mharman- 1/5-DD
iLikePie5- 1/5- savant
Whiteflame- 2/5- wylted, iLikePie5
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Mharman- 1/5-DD
Savant- 1/5- pie
iLikePie5- 1/5- savant
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Mharman- 1/5-DD
Savant- 1/5- pie
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Mharman- 1/5-pie
Whiteflame- 1/ 5- DD
Mharman- 1/5-pie
Whiteflame- 1/ 5- DD
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420- 2/5- Pie, Wylted
Wylted- 1/5- DD
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Please ask any further questions in private messages. I answered those two just because they are general knowledge questions that I usually am upfront with in my OPs anyways. But as a general rule of thumb I don’t want people reading too much into public mod q/a.
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@ILikePie5
Did scum get fake claims and/or roles?
Without answering this directly, I can say that no direct claims were given, though I do tend to give mafia a little bit of something, call it a hint if you will, so they aren’t completely screwed if they aren’t familiar with the theme. It’s nothing unsimilar to my previous games, so you can look to those for examples.
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@ILikePie5
Nope, I mentioned this in the sign ups, I should have reposted that. My bad.
No theme split.
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Whiteflame- 1/5- Wylted
Hooooooogggg Riddeeerrrr!!!!
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iLikePie5- 1/5- Wylted
Hooooooogggg Riddeeerrrr!!!!
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@Barney
@Mharman
@Discipulus_Didicit
@420-1776
Dp1 less goo
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@Savant
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
DP1 homies
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Welcome to clash of clans mafia! This game might be a bit swingy and chaotic, but I think the balance works. We will see I guess in the end. At least you were forewarned. Good luck and have fun ya'll! I've been playing clash of clans on and off for about 10 years, its the only strategy based MOBA game i've ever really been into. Hope you guys like the theme and the game.
1. Wylted
2. Whiteflame
3. iLikePie5
4. Savant
5. Casey_risk
6. Discipulus_didicit
7. Mharman
8. 420-1776
9. Barney
With 9 players, it takes 5 votes to reach a majority lynch.
The day phase will end in 72 hours, or on Sunday, 7/7/24 at 3pm CST.
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I am going to wait on a few more players to confirm there roles before I post the day phase.
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Sending out pms
1. Wylted
2. Whiteflame
3. iLikePie5
4. Savant
5. Casey_risk
6. Discipulus_didicit
7. Mharman
8. 420
9. Barney
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@Barney
If you’re willing to move off replacement into a slot we can get this going soon. No pressure though
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1. Wylted
2. Whiteflame
3. iLikePie5
4. Savant
5. Casey_risk
6. Discipulus_didicit
7. Mharman
8. 420
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Replacement:
1. Barney
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For me, it was Radahn, Consort of Miquella. Sincerely, screw this boss.
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@WyIted
Moose and Austin on vacation at literally the same time. There is something gay happening here
Don't forget supadudz is on vacation too. These three way gay vacays are ruining mafia. Gay face is a sin and should not be accepted!
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Look if we didn’t let pie win he probably would have exiled playing with at least three of us going forward. We did y’all a community service
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@Barney
If we win, consider me to have lost. I do not believe in this, but I do believe in eventually ending the game (for better or worse).GG everyone!
Sorry if I forced your hand here on the vote. On the Brightside, even if we are wrong, we have the added benefit of having pie be in a good mood going into the next one lol. I seriously think he would have blew his lid if we lynched him
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@Barney
@WyIted
It's not even that I think pie is town. He probably is scum. The thing is there isn't anything particular damning (to me at least) on either one of you. I have a mountain of WIFOM and WIFOM arguments for both of you being scum, but ultimately all the arguments amount to is just guess work at what I think you would do as scum, or what pie would do as scum. Pie tends to play very similarly as both affiliations, which makes it tough. You read very town to me here as well. Ultimately the only reason I am really choosing pie being town over you is because there is less WIFOM hoops to jump through in order to buy that he is town.
WIFOM HOOP #1: Pie bussed Casey. Pie left Wylted alive thinking he would be an easy mislynch.
OR: He genuinely had results that confirmed me, and you left me alive because you were worried about earth turning on you in the dp4, and maybe you thought you had a better chance at convincing me to lynch pie than you did earth. Either way earth was just as much of a threat if not more of one, so him being your vig target makes just as much sense as scum.
WIFOM HOOP #2: Austin confirmed Wylted's vig shot would have been used against casey which means that for pie to be scum, pie's role has to be something that commutes other people's actions. Meaning mafia basically have two role preventing roles which as barney pointed out, seems wierd. But not impossible I guess.
OR: Wylted waved the vig kill knowing that casey's role would eventually provide him a good scape goat for not using the kill, and would make it look like he and casey aren't on the same scum team.
WIFOM HOOP #3: Pie's rage and frustration is all an act to manipulate me into feeling bad for him
OR: He generally has been putting in a lot of effort since day phase one. He knows he's town, and wylted is kind of skating by on WIFOM logic and POE. This is super frustrating for someone like pie, who as town wants to be able to debate and prove his logic, and most of that is being dismissed because of WIFOM. He is doing the best he can to try and paint someone he knows the be scum as scum and feels genuinely ignored and that no matter what the WIFOM logic will overcome anything he has to say.
Yeah pie could be scum here, but we don't have any hard evidence to show it. All these WIFOM hoops have regular explanations for them and while we could just keep looking past them and worrying about pie big braining everything, there is also logical reasons for wylted to do everything that has happened as scum. So its more a case of I feel like buying wylted is more town than pie, is purposely jumping through a lot more WIFOM hoops than neccesary just to justify it. Ultimately if pie is scum, he deserves to win and is putting in the utmost effort into staying alive and doing what he feels his best job as townie should be to pursue wylted as the remaining scum.
And we have sat here and talked through almost every option for both people being scum, and still all any of it amounts to is WIFOM. So if we are wrong, we really can't be blamed at this point, and mafia pie kind of deserves the win if anything based on the extreme amount of effort he is putting into defending himself, and trying to pursue the wylted lynch.
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@WyIted
Bro I’m legit worried pie might shoot up a school or something if we don’t give him this game. Think of the children!
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@ILikePie5
I’m at work. I spent my entire day typing and responding to you. I have a deliverable due.
You =\= everyone
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Worse come worse we just wait a week til everyone’s done with their vacations right? No biggie
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At the very least if I am wrong, I can say I feel like we did the day phase it’s due diligence, and analyzed everything there is worth analyzing
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VTL wylted
There are too many variables to overlook to excuse wylted being town here. It is possible wylted is town yes, but then I have to excuse the information about his big not working due to a second roleblock type action which makes mafia basically untreatable so why even give town two vigilante powers if they are unlikely to ever get to use them? It’s more likely Wylted was actually big braining a lot of things here with mylo that I have been giving him a pass on. And my investigation role really isn’t that powerful as the only town power role. Town at least having a watcher makes sense. And Wylted should have used his cop if he wants that claim to being the investigative role.
Also pie just feels genuine here. The frustration, I get. Putting myself in his shoes I think I would be frustrated too with how a lot of this day phase has gone. And ultimately if he is scum he just deserves it. He hasn’t really made any mistakes and a lot of the arguments I have for him being scum come down to wifom anyway. At the end of the day, pie even if scum, deserves to win. And I don’t have enough to indicate Wylted is town here so it really would be unfair of me to board that train at this point but to ride more of the wifom parade against pie.
Regardless of who is actually scum here, both of you played very good scum games.
My gut is telling me pie is town. I hope I’m not wrong but if I am it’s whatever. Let’s move in to the next one.
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@Barney
Specifically ask him about Casey’s role. I know you said you have a moral conundrum with that but he already answered it to me and pie so it can’t hurt any more than it has
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@Barney
Casey’s role would have prevented the 1x vig thoughHence, the shot not used up, even while the attempt to kill them was made.
I thought so too originally but I asked Austin as pie suggested and he literally told me that Casey’s role would have used up a vig. I hate using mod answers to solve this stuff but if pie is doing it we kind of have to as well. I encourage you to ask Austin the same thing, his answer is consistent with what pie said.
I'm not seeing the connection there. Why is a role blocker needed for Wyited to be scum or not?
I’m just using role blocker as an example, Austin won’t tell me if a role blocker would actually make someone retain a big ability or not. But that’s the only explanation for wylted being possibly town here is if there is a scum sized ability that prevented wylted from acting but let him keep his role.
There is plenty of incentive for scum to have used said role on wylted, so it’s not out of the question.
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What it comes down to is either:
1. Wylted was prevented from some scum role from using his big, so yes we would have to believe that scum have two ability preventing roles
Or
2. Wylted was lying about bugging Casey knowing it would give him town cred later on based on Casey’s role (not knowing a simple answer from Austin would undermine that tactic completely).
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@Barney
I also think this doesn't need to be hard. Win or lose, it was a good game, scum especially did well.
I don’t think it needs to be hard either. I’m pretty close to making a decision but I will feel pretty bad for pie if we mislynch him because we didn’t do our due diligence. And really the only thing separating the two from being scum is wifom arguments of what we’re choosing to believe etc, so I think it’s only fair that we consider the ones in reverse too which are almost just as damning for wylted
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@Barney
A role blocker could have as well. But I think the means of Casey's power in it of itself would let the shot be kept. Further, less likely to be a role blocker on the scum team with that power already in play making a scum untargetable.
The mod pretty much directly told me that Casey’s role would have prevented the 1x vig though. And if your right about the second part than that indicates Wylted is scum and lying about vigging Casey
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And quotes having the big was pretty public knowledge, scum had motive to roleblock him. Especially scum pie who was using quotes being “vanallazed” and not being able to prove his role as an argument against him pretty much the whole game….
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@Barney
I believe the host told me (without explicitly naming Casey, because that would be bullshirt), that if someone tried to shoot someone who prevents shots from landing, the shot would be refunded. Whereas someone wearing a vest, or treated by a doctor, the shot would be lost.
Which means a roleblocker could have been the cause for Wylted not losing the vig right?
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So you think I have a roleblocker role?? No one has claimed to be roleblocked except Wylted who brought up the jailkeeper. Talk about inside information.
Well I don’t know what kind of role you have or if a roleblocker would even make him retain his shot. If you are scum I am sure you have more to your role than you’d reveal of course. But considering this would have been your smoking gun I have to consider that quoted was interfered with was a possibility based on the way Austin answered that question
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@Barney
What do you think of Austin’s answer? It’s tripping me up badly. On one hand it indicates that Wylted didn’t target Casey, in the other hand his answer leaves room for that to mean scum had a hand in preventing wylteds actions. I feel like we are back to square one with this
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I asked him if he meant a role lock but he won’t answer any further.
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Alright fuck it, mod kill me Austin. Whatever. Here is the exact copy paste: “yes, absent of other interfering factors, it would be used up.”
Is there no scum role that could be used as an interfering factor?
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