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And pie did mention he knew that Casey was scum before I even mentioned receiving the bulletproof…
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One thing is that it would be wierd for Wylted to claim lynch proof as scum if he knew his partner was popular
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The only one I am 100% am sure is confirmed town is Barney. I thought pie was town confirmed but now I can see a world where he could have tried bus Casey and hope to use me to mislynch wylted in lylo. We will have to think this one out.
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1. Wylted
2. Whiteflame
3. Joebob
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1. Barney
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1. Wylted
2. Whiteflame
3. Joebob
4. Pie
5. Savant
6. Moozer
7. Casey
8. DD
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1. Barney
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@Earth
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@WyIted
If you and pie are town that would make earth the final scum so.just in case of that scenario I will veto the vig shot. However if Casey flips scum I think I can afford the risk and we will negotiate something
Just saying, if you shoot me or pie after casey flips scum, it will look pretty bad for whoever pulled the trigger on that move next day phase lol.
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I'll be totally up front here, this is going to be a very swingy game. This is probably the closest game to a "role madness" game I think I've made in a while. I just was having some fun with the set up here. There is no theme split. I can see this game ending very quickly and crazily for either side. Just kind of experimenting with this set up but I at least hope it is still fun.
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@WyIted
Why would my vig on Casey fail?
Idk, that combined with the "being vanilla-ized" and having no role, is a lot of what is putting you in the POE though, because literally almost every other person besides Casey right now has something going to confirm them or make them look good. I mean it could be just unfortunate circumstances for you, but POE really makes it look like your the last scum here. Only other thing I could buy is maybe a potential scum mason recruiter with earth isn't entirely out of the question, I just don't really see DART mods putting that type of role on the scum team, but again, I am not completely closed off to that idea. For the record if you are scum, I do think you did the best you could with the circumstances, the many protective roles kind of worked out against you this game despite the two easy mislynches. I am sure you could give austin some lip for that in the endgame. But anyways, it's looking like this game is pretty close to a GG at this point.
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@WyIted
If Casey is innocent I think the last 2 scum are lunatic and pie. If guilty I think it is lunatic. Also I think we should lynch lunatic first if their is an inno on Casey because though unlikely earth could be the 2nd scum
This post is completely devoid of logic lol. I do find it funny that you've worked it out to make me the mislynch no matter what the flip though, even though my action lines up with pie, barney, and explains the lack of the night kill. I should be the most town confirmed on your list in either scenario lol.
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@Moozer325
Who was the target you all agreed on that got vetoed?
I wanna know this as well
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@ILikePie5
Just to make sure we are crossing our T's and dotting our I's can you explain the watcher part of your role justification?
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@Moozer325
If you made this a troll game where there actually is no Mafia, I am going to find where you live and murder you. It is a little weird how there was no NK twice in a row.
I had that thought actually. Its been done before by mods to troll the town. Maybe Austin decided it was time for him to experiment with that practical joke lol. I did a whole game once where all the players were in on it except for F-16_Fighting_Falcon. IT was crazy and the dude felt like he was going insane. It was funny as hell, but in hindsight, kind of mean. The theme was the truman show
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@ILikePie5
I wanna hear your information that scum confirms casey. Also what do you think about the possibility of wylted being his scum partner?
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@Earth
1x vig kill the neighbors all have to agree on which target.We still have the vig kill.
Who has been the one dis-agreeing about the vig kill? Who were your targets for the kill?
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Role / Confirmed players:
Barney- His shirt ability has been more or less proven multiple times now, and publicly by the mod. I received a shirt last night from him too, and I am assuming my bulletproof vest was why there is no night kill. Could have been protected from the night kill np 1 via joebobs commuter cube.
Lunatic- Was protected from the night kill np2 via barney's vest, also my ability was in line with correcting how many players acted, unless you assumed I just guessed that sh1t correctly.
Pie- Austin confirmed I was unlynchable yesterday, so pie's pretty much gotta be a magistrate unless there is a scum role I don't know about that functions the same way.
Moozer- Moozer is mod confirmed in the dp3 OP.
Earth- Multiple have confirmed being in a neighbor PM though this role seems more closely to match a mason recruiter.
Unconfirmed
Wylted- Was only "considered confirmed" because we thought he was the night kill, but now that I think of it, the shirt would have made him have to forfeit the kill if scum. Or barney was the night kill and he commuted which explains the lack of night kill. Either way, there is too much doubt in play with what happened now and he is definitely not confirmed.
Casey- Casey has nothing going to confirm him role wise. Also there are a ton of roles revolving around lynch mechanics, there really isn't a way to confirm him.
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I realize some of my confirmeds need to be taken with a grain of salt, because of role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation. In barney's case that role just doesn't make any sense as a scum role with the protection abilities though, and it seems mafia wouldn't be likely to be forfeiting twice in a row like that.
In pie's case, the magistrate role feels a bit too bastard to be scum, but I guess I am open to a world where he is not a magistrate and some other scum role that looks like one, but you'd have to point out what that scum role is. Also It doesn't make sense why he would have chose me as scum, when there is a million more pro scum ways to use that role. Out of any of the confirmed's, I'd be most likely to believe that earth is scum mason recruiter, as that's a role I have wanted to use for a while as it drives me crazy people always think these roles are confirmed. Back in the day scum mason recruiters were pretty popular. I am less inclined to believe it because I don't really see mods making that role scum on DART, but it is a possibility.
Wylted has the absolute least going for him though from what I can see unless I am missing something.
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I was given a bulletproof vest (shirt) last night. I am assuming that was barney. I activated it, so that could explain why the night kill didn't happen.
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Okay I am caught up. It seems that Moozer/Joebob is the lynch, because moozer "scum slipped" joebob's role on accident when trying to claim vig. And he's claiming that he's confirmed town tomorrow, so we are optimizing joebob lynch over moozer.
Hmm...
I will say I get the logic. It's really weird that he would mention a commuter being new as he is when that role had not been mentioned before. That said, if it was a genuine mistake, do we learn anything from this lynch really other than a noob made a mistake? And joebob basically get's punished for someone else's slip. I can see this being a really easy mislynch. But at the same time there isn't too much time left to figure out another lynch, and I wasn't really here enough to do much scum hunting or behavioral analysis, so I will just have to accept the consequences of this one if we end up being wrong here. Maybe it really is that simple, anyways.
VTL joebob.
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I have not slept very well, I keep trying to catch up on the thread and end up falling asleep over and over. I am going to have to come into the day phase a bit late with thoughts and analysis. Sorry to do this, but I won't be able to contribute today.
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@ILikePie5
First things first, Austin is bastard for making a townie vote thief. The role is insanely scummy. Public apology to Savant.
Really? I told you he often uses mafia scum to pull his roles from and the mafia scum version of that role is town. Even if it was a generally scum sided role ( I dont think it was ever proven that it was) mods sometimes put anti town utility roles on the town side. We've had one in almost every game. Anyways, its pointless to argue over it at this point.
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BTW just because pie started the wagon, doesn't mean you can condemn him if you joined it you are just as guilty: Wylted, Joebob, Savant, Casey, Earth
Being wrong is fine, but blaming the person you followed for starting the lynch is unnaceptable
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I didn’t even realize there wasn’t a night kill. I’m gonna ask Austin if an action gets blocked or a kill gets protected if that would show up as a person using a night action.
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Anyone else want to confirm using a night action or being passive please do.
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I am going to out my role and results since there is no reason not to.
I am "If a bear farts in the forrest, and no one is around to smell it, does it still stink?"
I have two 1x role options from this ability. If I answer yes to the aforementioned question, then I believe there is an objective truth in the world and will be informed of how many players used night actions in the night time.
If I answer no to the question, meaning I think the world functions based on perception and observation, I would learn how many night actions happened in a night I use this ability.
I chose the first one because I feel like it gives us better information, for example we can use this to know how many of the remaining players have active/passive roles, we can take who we have confirming their roles and cross them off the list, etc. If mafia are able to use more than one ability in the night phase, then the second one wouldn't really help us much. I'd rather know the exact number of players with night action roles, and we can almost clear the passive roles off of this.
My result is that 5 players used an action last night, myself included.
I would like people to confirm if they are passive or active, I feel we can use this information narrow down liars. Scum will be locked and forced into claiming an active role today, and depending on if they choose to go with passive or active, the other group of people can be confirmed. I hope this makes sense to you as is does to me lol
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Look at pie trying to set up future mislynches. That logic like just made savant look so town to me. Pie is 100% leading a mislynch and trying to set me up for a mislynch tomorrow. That logic is so so bad
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Hold up who wants to help me flip this wagon back around on pie wtf is that logic
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VTL pie though because that is horrible logic. Wtf I just re read that. He would vote me if savant flips town. Wtf lol
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@ILikePie5
I’m also moving Lunatic to null for this inactivity. Expected more from him. If Savant flips town, I’ll be far more suspicious of Lunatic tomorrow because he was the one who mentioned the Town v Town fight, which scum would definitely know.
Sorry man Elden ring DLC just came out, I’ve been binging that with most of my free time. I’ll try to pick up the activity dp2
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@WyIted
I am entirely lynch proof up until mylo or lylo.
I don't see how these roles are ever pro town, but considering that we've seen two or three of these type of roles on the town team lately, I am not gonna FOS it. I am sure pie will want to test this though, and honestly I don't see how testing this hurts town at all. You opposed?
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@WyIted
Excuse I pointed out that vote thief was scummy prior to you, so no I was not going to be on board with him getting the vig shot. Also if we can't agree we can just ignore the option to get it
I am not opposed to this either. I mean it has a higher chance in resulting in a town kill then a mafia kill. With such a low number of players vigilantes are super risky. I'd almost waive if I was the vig unless I just had a super deep scum read on someone anyway.
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Vote RSVLTS SHIRT
Idc who gets the vigilante, i'd prefer it wasn't a noob. If it's a vet whose scum we can at least pressure them for it if they make a crazy decision. I'd be fine with pie getting the vig too, though I hope he doesn't just shoot savant because of his vote thief claim alone, I'd like to see some behavioral analysis with that read if he's going to yeet him.
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@ILikePie5
Your opinion is requested.
Eh, I agree that prima facie vote thief is a negative utility role, but austin tends to get most of his alignment-affiliation from sites like mafiascum, so it is possible that it's town aligned. I don't think he should be confirmed town either, but I am not as quick to jump on the "he's scum automatically" train. Also a lot of the people following him are noobs too, so I am not as quick to condemn them as you are. I don't really like savant's omgus towards you here, but he literally just did this in your game as well as town (he happened to be right with austin but he also did it to me to and I was town). So idk how to read that, but I think both of you are jumping the gun a little bit on your scum reads of each other. I don't see this as an either or lynch or anything, both of you are just as likely to be town here imo.
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@Savant
I'm running out of shirt jokes for this game.I think you have them down to a T.
Okay that one was good. We definitely aren't out of shirt jokes yet, or Sew it Seams.
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@Savant
Not seeing me as 100% confirmable is fine. But in that case, we should avoid letting anyone hammer instead of giving a potential scum a night kill. Notice how Pie just called me "scared" without actually contesting my argument.
NO one is confirmed town yet. So literally anyone who hammers is just as likely to be scum as the next. You could argue barney is likely town because why would the mod make a role like that scum, but its still WIFOM
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@Savant
Pie is my top scumread rn. Without even posting reads, he expects us to follow him for some reason. Right now either Luna is his scum buddy or he is trying to earn Luna's trust, and I am leaning toward the former. Whether or not you think I am confirmed, giving vigilante powers to a possible scum is a terrible idea, and Pie is basing his guess on one data point (people who went along with my plan). Pie could only be this confident if he knows he is scum and wants to earn Luna's trust by letting him hammer.At first I was town reading Pie despite my annoyance with him because he is usually aggressive, however this time around he is so aggressive at the expense of logic that it doesn't make sense. Then I realized he is probably scum trying to do what he usually does as town but going a bit overboard.
This reads as omgus, because none of this is an actual reason to scum read pie other than being mad that he doesn't agree that you should be town confirmed by your role. Then again you played this way in the last game too, so you could just be town here. People who don't agree with you =/= Scum
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@Barney
Ultimately, we need more bears farting on butterflies if we’re to survive the years to come. We need not see the farts occur (they’re usually invisible anyways) to reap the benefits. I suggest we assist the bears in reproducing at a faster rate….
Or... Hear me out... Leave massive bags of Taco Bell at the front entrances to their caves and dens....
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@ILikePie5
As long as characters aren’t insanely obvious of roles, it may be prudent to lock people into character claims. Then when everyone full claims, we can see if the justifications make sense with the character.
My character is "If a Bear fart in the forest, and no one is a round to smell it, does it still stink?"
I was feeling silly at the time, and I wanted to see what Austin would come up with for that lol.
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