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@Casey_Risk
That’s correct. If a majority vote can’t be reached whoever has the most votes will be lynched. In a tie it will be randomized
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Heads up on this game. There is no theme or theme split obviously. I just chose roles from games that felt like they would be fun to see how they interacted with each other. These was no rhyme or reason or theme to how I chose the roles. I'll try to keep role mechanics as close to how the original mods intended them to work. In cases where I can't know that, I'll just resort to my own judgement on how they should behave or work with other roles. No fake claims were given, role, character, or otherwise. Any role from any game that has ever taken place on DART can be used in this game. Good luck and have fun.
Player List:
1. Savant
2. Barney
3. Whiteflame
4. Casey
5. Joebob
6. Moozer
7. Austin
8. Pie
9. Earth
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach a lynch.
I am giving this day phase an extra 4 hours, since I am starting it early. I don't expect anyone to be on this early. I will officially start the 72 hour timer at 11 AM CST.
This day phase will end on Monday 6/10/24 @ 11AM CST. Plurality lynching will be in effect. This means whoever has the most votes will be automatically lynched.
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1. Savant
2. Barney (BU)
3. Whiteflame (BU)
4. Casey
5. Joebob
6. Moozer
7. Austin
8. Pie
9. Earth
I'll send out roles tonight
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@Barney
@whiteflame
You guys okay playing? I dont think there is enough mafia players for back ups atm
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1. Savant
2. Barney (BU)
3. Whiteflame (BU)
4. Casey
5. Joebob
6. Moozer
7. Austin
8. Pie
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@AustinL0926
Oh yeah, also the cc. Town should be ashamed of not settling that one before mylo.
I am still caught up on that not being what a soldier is or does but whatever lol
freaking moozer lol
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@Casey_Risk
What's MYLO?
Mislynch and lose, means you can't fvck up. Thats why I was telling you to unvote.
Mafia had two left, we knew that. There was 6 players alive. One mislynch, and one night kill brings numbers to 2-2. Mafia win if they have even numbers with town. You have to be very careful in MYLO and LYLO.
LYLO is the same consequences, but it means you have to lynch correctly or you lose. Technically we could waive the lynch in MYLO so that mafia only get one night kill and its still 3 town vs 2 scum next day phase making it lylo.
Next time you hear someone say its mylo or lylo, basically don't vote fast. Wait it out so mafia can't quick hammer.
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@Moozer325
Prior. I think near the end of DP 1.
So you gave them fake claims AFTER the game started?
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@Moozer325
I wasn’t planning on giving the mafia fake char-claims, but seeing the dire straights I was in, I thought it only fair. I figured that they would still have to come up with the fitting roles. I had wanted to put either, Impa, Purah, or Robbie in the game, but couldn’t think up good roles, so I gave scum the opportunity to claim those ones. Also, I thought it was probable that they would have already thought to do that, seeing as they knew some roles already, and these three were the only ones left to claim based on what scum knew by then.
Did you give them fake claims after the game started or prior?
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GG I guess. Probably wouldnt have caught austin.
Also Barney in the future please dont vote yourself at MYLO lol. Im sure you just forgot the numbers or something. But we 100% could have at least got savant.
BK's a thrower, wtf was that.
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1. Savant
2. Barney (BU)
3. Whiteflame (BU)
4. Casey
5. Joebob
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@Earth
@Vader
@Best.Korea
@Savant
@JoeBob
sign ups
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
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This is a redux game. This is a concept I've used before. Basically all characters and roles will be randomly chosen from past DART games (this time I won't be using DDO roles, just DART). Thus there will be no theme split, fake claims, etc since mafia can use literally any role from any past game as a claim.
Lets try for 11 and if I can't fill that I will go to 9.
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By the way we are at mislynch and lose today. A successful mislynch plus a kill = a complete town loss. Why is everyone so quick to vote rn
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One of either Barney or savant is 100% confirmed or mafia just isn’t online to quick hammer
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there is two mafia, the second one being responsible for the night kill could be the explanation for the kill still going through. I mean it doesn’t completely discount Austin’s case against Barney but it’s a factor we have to consider.
Anyways knowing bk was being a lil troll, I don’t feel good about savant at all. I would rather not lynch Barney right now. The only main case for Barney right now is that scum could quick hammer him already which means scum is already on the wagon or Barney actually is scum.
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@whiteflame
I am just fucking with Bk here lol. Moozer should confirm his lynch soon
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@whiteflame
Is that really true or are you just having some fun at this point?
Could be. Would it even matter? I guess you could spin that I bussed BK but if I got him to admit that he was scum that’s about the most town confirmed thing I could do without a role lol
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@Best.Korea
Btw BK… what if I told you I was bluffing this whole time? That not only am I not the King role, I’m basically a killer. And I got you to admit you were scum? XD never reveal your affiliation til the fat lady sings!
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Let’s be honest behavior plays a lot more into Poe here than role confirmation. Bk was big on pushing role confirmation and look what he turned out as. I don’t need every player to be role confirmed for me to be able to investigate if they are guilty or not
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@whiteflame
The Poe is actually even better than that. I’ll add you as confirmed as well as you were the main mafia mislynch target, Austin is town regardless of confirming his role based on behavior and also his interactions with bk. I’d be willing to reconsider Casey as a lynch target tho
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Mafia got a little choked by Poe here, but I forgive moozer it’s his first game. GGs all around though
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Look at interactions between savant and BK dp1 btw, is my reasoning for clearing savant in the case of scum bk
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@Best.Korea
Well, I guess it was, I got bored of playing anyway.
Sorry to hear that. We will lynch your buddy Joebob quick then so we can move on to the next one
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@whiteflame
If you are scum you played a good game. I totally town read you behaviorally. But we will get you next phase if so.
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@whiteflame
Alright, so I’m just kind of baffled as to why Barney decided to wait this long to claim with a role that:a) would have short-circuited a lot of this discussion about the existence of a double RB, andb) would have restricted the lynch options significantly better if we had known about it.Well, I guess better late than never. It’s a crazy claim, and I’m not convinced it’s real, but here we are. The die has been cast and we’ll see what happens.
Honestly I like the claim. It seems to fit with moozers style a bit more, and the fact that he was confused about the justification makes sense to me, I felt that way on a few of the roles from LOTR. It's also why I am kind of buying Austin's role too. The wierder the role, the more easier for me to buy it. Same with yours. Hoenstly another point to why BK's simple role of 2x doctor strikes me as scummy.
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@whiteflame
Also, just to be clear, Austin’s role failure might have been the result of Earth’s death rather than an RB. It would fail either way.
True, either way, even less likelihood for third roleblocker, or that the roleblocker was roleblocked
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So let's assume barney's telling the truth.
How could austin have been roleblocked? He redirects negative actions to himself, so either he was roleblocked directly, or was roleblocked protecting earth. The latter makes no sense, why roleblock if they are gonna kill him? So knowing that the whiteflame/BK action came from barney, that means austin was purposefully roleblocked.
This is starting to make sense, and it looks good for town. This does tell us more of what I had already deciphered behaviorally anyway. One of whiteflame or BK is scum. Whiteflame behaviorally feels a bit more town to me, just more his general understanding of the position he's in and willing to get lynched, but not giving up at the same time. He is still arguing frustrating logic with savant and generally appears to be trying to solve the game while factoring in he's a lead. This feels town to me. Not that I don't think scum whiteflame wouldn't put in the effort, just that he wouldn't put in this much effort if it was futile.
My evidence for this is Day Phase 2 of Battlebots: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10712-battlebots-mafia-dp2?page=1
RM guitlies whiteflame pretty early on, and whiteflame tenatively argues that there could be a framer or something, lightly pushes wylted, then after page 4 just dis-appears completely and waits his inevitable lynch. He knew he was screwed there, and really didn't bother putting in that much effort to defend himself. Quite the opposite of this game. I can actually feel his town frustration when he is arguing with austin dp1, and with savant dp2. He totally accepts that he is a POE lynch and the unfortunate circumstances surrounding his guilt. But not once does he appear like he doesn't want to try and solve this game, and leave town with input of where to go after he is lynched. He's effort posting and he has no reason to as scum, especially in light of how broken this set up on paper seems to favor town. I think Whiteflame would have given up much easier, or started to get lazy with his posting. This whiteflame just feels townie to his core.
Which leaves BK, who is playing this game much like how he stated he would play the first go around: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11093-breath-of-the-wild-mafia-dp1?page=1&post_number=13
I actually town read the effort despite dis-agreeing with a lot of his analysis, but now that post 13 is coming back to haunt me a bit. His interaction with austin this day phase reeks of confidence of having several people town read him dp1, and him thinking he is untouchable here. And he's been trying to lead to narrative quite a bit in the absence of more active players. His logic is consistently not sound though, and now I am getting the feel more that he is pushing for obvious mislynches with the free style voting behavior he has taken this day phase, whilst justifying it by the fact that yesterday went by without a lynch.
Anyways, I am lynching BK. Already submitted before barney came out with this information, but I am increasingly feeling confident this was the right move especially with the barney reveal. Also note, savant probably isn't paired with him unless you buy these players bussing early on. They had a lot of interaction dp1 that felt more natural. I don't like savant logic either for a lot of things, bit I am feeling his town atm.
Joebob could potentially be koreas partner. Not 100# sure on that will have to re-analyze dp3. But BK definitely I could see being scum here.
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@Barney
Each night I may target two players to potentially be roleblocked. They are only role blocked if mafia.There are however limits. The NK itself is only blocked if I target both scum, otherwise I just block their role power. I do not get told if I hit scum, nor even if my power worked at all.And of course I win with town.
So if I am guessing correctly they don't BOTH need to be mafia for the roleblock to work, it simply just won't roleblock them at all if they aren't mafia. Since both of these players are claiming roleblocked, and the night kill went through, that is why you think one is near 100% scum?
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@Barney
I’m the Mafia Roleblocker.
This sounds so scummy it has to be legit XD
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@Barney
IS this a brand new claim? I can't find anywhere where you claimed this before, just your zelda claim. Can you give role justification and what exactly your role is? I understand you have the ability to block two people and can only block mafia. Both people are claiming to be roleblocked though, chances are one of those was from scum, I am just confused how both wouldn't be scum if you blocked them both, why is only 1 scum? I need you to explain your role so I can understand and get on the same pathway as you.
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@Barney
Ey yo, what is your role exactly? When did you claim to be roleblocked?
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If I hit correctly I am probably dead this night phase lol. If I wasn't well, chances are im still dead, but hopefully it in the very least it narrows down some POE for the town. Don't be too mad at me either way, I am thinking I am probably correct here. But if not it will free up time more my other mafia game so w/w.
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@AustinL0926
Just checked in on this thread before going to bed. Who did you choose? Gonna bother me all night if I don't know lol
But that would ruin the surprise!
I'd have preferred if you let town decide first, but it's not a big deal I suppose if you chose who I think you did.
I did choose who you think I did.
And this is totally me right now after making a potentially game losing decision for town. What is it the kids say these days? YOLO.
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You know what? I have a lot of thoughts and reads. However I am not going to out them just yet. I feel fairly confident about who I want to lynch, I hope to god I am right, and if not I'll deal with the consequences of my decision next day phase. I see a lot of Town VS Town in many of these interactions. I honestly think mafia were given fake claims though at this point, so I am going off of behavior at this point. One person's behavior is irking me and tingling every spidey sense to the point I can't justify not using my role on them. Well a couple people have very scummy behavior, but I am taking other things into account like newbieness, role claims, character claims etc.
Ima full send my role right now. When moozer gets on a lynch will be in effect. Sorry to rush the phase a bit but I can see this being another 300+ dp of town v town distraction, so im going with my gut. And some logic but mostly gut.
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@Best.Korea
I have to sleep now. Guys, just tell Luna to lynch Savant as soon as he comes online.
Thanks, I'll submit my night action now.
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@Barney
In case a lynch happens while I'm at dinner, I did some calculations and I can promise (to like 95% certainty) that either Whiteflame or Best.Korea are scum, and with 100% certainty that the other is town.
I am glad I am not the only one starting to have doubts on BK.
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@Best.Korea
I will admit that Austin tunneling whiteflame in dp1 so much, and now retreating and refusing to lynch once whiteflame is getting votes on himself, I think it does give some behavioral reads. This could be a scumslip, because austin basically was completely certain that whiteflame is scum, and now goes the other way on very weak reasons.
It's weird you find this a scum tell, I read this as a hard town tell.
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@whiteflame
You’re calling me out for doing this because I could have done it later… sincerely, is anyone else reading this?
Yes I am reading it. I get your frustration lol. I am actually low key scum reading savant for his logic a lil bit but I wanna read some more before jumping to conclusions.
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@Savant
What happened yesterday?
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@Barney
@Lunatic, wtf? I'm actually curious about no lynches in this game, but your proof of township was supposed to be using your power.
Sorry man, I legit dropped the ball. I took an edible and for some reason my high brain told me I had until 8pm to submit the action, not 8 am. I was too high to read 500+ posts so I decided to play dark souls 3 all night instead. I fvcked up in the championship game for the same reason and missed EOD, so yeah i'm kinda down bad rn.
I will 100% use my role this day phase.
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@AustinL0926
That's odd... because I was also roleblocked last night. I guess I'll have to trust you in view of your role, but scum having multiple roleblockers would be very strange.
With how powerful town seems to be role wise it's not neccesarily out of balance. Also moozer is a first time mod so anything is possible. But yeah something to keep in mind IG, as well as potentially multiple town protective roles and multiple "confirmable roles". Gonna be hard to treat this like a normal game.
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