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Worst come worse, if we are both town, you have less wifom arguments to deal with since there is one scum down. Two town plus a night kill leaves 4 players remaining, a ton of POE, and another night of results. And if you don't get results, you can always vtnl dp3, take it to three players for a final LYLO. At this point neither me or austin will ever trust each other the rest of the game until we know how the other flips. And if were both town we can take the argument on who was right to the endgame, but I'd rather get this nonsense one v one out of the game now so we don't leave any questions for the lylo phase, while we can afford it. Us doing this isn't even that harmful if both town if you look at the numbers given we got that day phase one lynch. And you can scratch the worry of austin (an up and coming protegy) and myself (a vet) off the table where you don't have to worry about being fooled by one of us.
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
@Moozer325
Behavioral reasons why Austin is likely scum here:
The behavior shift here is actually astronomical. Austin tried to establish town cred by what I am now assuming is a bus on savant. Look at the reasons I mentioned earlier, about the wording of savant's role. Is it not super convenient that Savant claims a role with a description modifier that matches the exact phrasing style that Austin uses? It is clear that he is being coached by someone experienced. I didn't even say this person was austin initially. All I said was that because of the way it was phrased, and none of the recent games he researched even specify that role "Non-consecutive doctor" that austin could be an option. Watch how he then IMMEDIATELY flips on me, the confirmed doctor who counter claimed savant when the only other claimed protective role is an actual body guard style role lol. Austin then goes super hard on the "let's one v one" manipulation thinking I won't call his bluff. What happened to the benevolent townie leading that was happening just last day phase? This shows that is was likely a ruse all along. I think austin was hoping for town cred and he did get it. But the second I revoke "town-confirming" him he acts
like I was FOSing him and immediately goes to OMGUS. He even knows what he is doing is OMGUS which is why he tried to call it out before hand in post 74 (which is a manipulation tactic as well).
like I was FOSing him and immediately goes to OMGUS. He even knows what he is doing is OMGUS which is why he tried to call it out before hand in post 74 (which is a manipulation tactic as well).
Now he's trying to butter up to joebob and moozer who are now is "Biggest town reads" and also the people who are newer to the game and he probably feels most easy to manipulate. Notice, as scum, buttering up to people is the number one way to manipulate them. I did the same shit to pie all last game. Now he's trying to do it here. Ultimately the vote for himself and threat to one v one me is the hardest selling point here on why austin is scum here, because town do not vote for themselves. I've seen mafia do it alot, and they try to scare town and manipulate them away from voting them with this "repercussion" logic. But nothing Austin is doing here is pro town. And if he is town doing it, he needs to be tought NOT to do it. So we should be lynching austin today, and I hope someone with a non impactful role to town would be willing to place the final vote. However like I said if no one is willing to take one for the team, I'll happily do it if it means winning the game.
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@AustinL0926
Unvote and let Joebob and Moozer (the people I trust the most) vote. You can put the hammer.
I'll unvote if absolutely no one is willing to hammer you. I am hoping someone else will see this behavior shift the same way I did and volunteer themselves as tribute over essentially the town doctor though.
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@AustinL0926
I want you to give the name of your role because Pie has a specific way of choosing his roles. So yes, I am not backing down on that.And I am willing to do a 1v1 trade, since that will win the game for town on the spot. Let's do it.
Sounds good. And no your not getting any more information. Period. At this point I am willing to throw the game to prove a point. Done it before, will do it again. And then I'll keep signing up for more games with you, and encourage you to fucking try it again. There's a reason drafterman doesn't play here anymore. You wanna be the next big tough guy that didn't prove a point, lets go.
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@AustinL0926
Did you forget I'm a super saint? I reflexively kill the person who hammers me.
I'll call that bluff. We can have one of the unconfirmed test it. Or if no one is willing to I will. If we both die and end up town, we can gift mafia a win here and argue about who was more anti-town in the endgame while mafia relish in the victory. If that's really the road you wanna go down. I already said I am fucking game.
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@AustinL0926
Name of your role and justification. This doesn't give scum any extra info, yet you're refusing to give it. Curious.
Have you even tried considering any town reason why not revealing information about my role is beneficial here? Because it seems like you are blatantly ignoring any reason for me to withhold information here. I have given you everything you as town would ever need to know here. I told you I am functionally a weaker doctor. My role is not named doctor, but essentially does the same thing. Revealing the weakness of my role does not benefit town in the slightest.
I guess you can have the justification, which is that my character is well skilled in the art of Ayurveda, and my expertise extends beyond human medicine ranging to animals like horses which were crucial for transportation during wartime. But yeah not giving you any more information about my role. Period.
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@AustinL0926
Unvote please, I want you to be the one to hammer.VTL Austin
Town don't vote for themselves. Your not proving to me you are town by doing this. It's more intimidation and flexing your virtual muscles. Scum are more likely to do this. Or extremely emotional town, and guess what? The emotional town is the only one that ever gets the blame in the end. Scum are supposed to act childish like this to try and manipulate the populace away from voting them. I've played with mikal too many times for that to work on me.
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@AustinL0926
Oh and Luna, you are so going down with that fake townie righteousness >:)
The most hypocrital statement I've ever read in my damn life. You are the one going around thinking everyone should be town confirming you and getting ultra upset when you find out ONE person isn't going to blindly follow that narrative.
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@AustinL0926
Austin I know you think your this big mafia hotshot big boy now, but slow your roll fellow. I'm not going to blindly follow you because you happened to be right on savant, and me you trying to punish and bully me into giving extra information about my role is simply not going to work. It doesn't even make sense what you are asking from me. I claimed one of the five Pandava brothers. You requesting more information is blatant role fishing attempt by intimidation, and like I said, it's not gonna work on me. I'll go to the grave with it, and if you wanna test that and call me anti town for it, I'll just defend it in the endgame. If you think you can get the votes. But that's why I am not gonna go to sleep, because I feel like your gonna control the narrative as soon as I do and fucking write 20 posts to joebob, moozer and any other noob willing to follow you and by the time I wake up i'll be at L-1.
So if we're gonna do this let's fucking do this.
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@AustinL0926
If anyone doesn't trust me, then I am entirely fine with Luna hammering me. There is no way that town Luna would ever post what he just did.
I will functionally throw this game if this is the road you wanna go down. I literally counter claimed the doctor . Your not getting any more information then that and you don’t need it. I function virtually as a doctor that’s all you needor anyone else needs to know.you’ve pissed me off enough so I guess I’m not going back to sleep. *cracks knuckles* let’s do this.
VTL Austin. You are 100% omgusing me now when I didn’t even scum tell you. This is the exact shift in behavior I mentioned I would be looking out for, so congratulations on proving my point.
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@whiteflame
Forgot to tag. Also going back to sleep for reals now.
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I've read through them and I agree he's stretching. He also seems to be hedging a lot in that analysis. I'll have to re-read his and your thoughts before I post mine in full, though.
You should definitely re read it. It’s not “stretching” at all. It was literally me acknowledging that scum are capable of bussing and that if anyone is capable of pulling off a bus it’s Austin after he fooled me in pies last game. None of this was a scum read on him, and I acknowledged the logic with savant phrasing was literally only something that made me second guess that he could be being coached by him based on the wording, and I even acknowledged that I would still treat Austin as if he was town until his behavior shifted.
So what, if anything, do you dis-agree with here? Because you jumped on board with Austin’s logic extremely fast when he also inaccurately jumped to the conclusion that I was scum reading him.
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@Barney
Who did you each target last night and why?
I targeted Austin last night.
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Austin you are absolutely insane if you interpreted what I said as me scum reading you lol. At best I said it made me reconsider town confirming you and was a compliment to your skill and ability as a player, and allowing myself not to be completely blind sided by you if your behavior changes in the future… kind of like what it’s doing now ;-)
And that intimidation shit isn’t going to work on me. As far as your requests for more information go, you can kindly go fuck yourself. If you wanna escalate this into something more. I’ll gladly take you to school and we can clutter this day phase with 1-200 pages of wifom arguments. I’ve done the same shit with pie. You coming off so defensive over not being “town confirmed” isn’t doing you any favors. All I did was acknowledge that savant could have been coached into claiming the way he did because he was already being FOSed and it could have been a strategy to town confirm you so you could ride it to the endgame in free town cred. I am not saying that I buy into that theory or that it couldn’t be someone else, and I also acknowledged he could have just got the verbiage from reading one of your games. The fact that you took it as a scum read is extremely interesting to me.
I am going back to sleep but this little reaction from you was rather telling.
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I am most skeptical of Barney and joebob right now. Joebob because I can't google his character having anything to do with Mahabharata, that and I keep running into articles saying Vasudev calls himself Krishna as a pseudonym, so I am just really confused on that one, but some other familiar character names have come up in those same wiki links so idk.
Barney because there is no way his role isn't some revenge based killing role, or killing role in general. It's not a boring enough character to meet the role. I read all about his character, and he does NOT seem like the type of character to just not have a role other than to visit people and do nothing else. And it's convienent who he targeted, like hes trying to cover himself in case of potential tracker/watcher results.
Very very sus.
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Earth- Bhima Deciever - Town
Savant- Karna- Odd night godfather/ Even night Ninja - Mafia
Claims list:
Barney- Shikhandi
Austin- Dhrishtadyumna - Supersaint
Vader- Ghatoktach- Victim (basically a willful lightning rod)
Moozer- Gambler- Yudhishthira
Lunatic- Nakula- The real doctor dre
JoeBob- Vasudev Krishna??????????- witness/tracker
Whiteflame
Earth- Bhima Deciever - Town
Savant- Karna- Odd night godfather/ Even night Ninja - Mafia
Claims list:
Barney- Shikhandi
Austin- Dhrishtadyumna - Supersaint
Vader- Ghatoktach- Victim (basically a willful lightning rod)
Moozer- Gambler- Yudhishthira
Lunatic- Nakula- The real doctor dre
JoeBob- Vasudev Krishna??????????- witness/tracker
Whiteflame
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@Barney
I'm a decoy. I visit people and do nothing. Last night I visited Earth, because he stood out to me the least, so thought he was unlikely to be the NK.
Justification for your role and your character???
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@Vader
How does the victim role work? I can't find any information on mafia scum. Did he redirect the night kill from himself onto earth or am I misunderstanding something?
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@AustinL0926
I wanna take back my earlier words on Austin being town locked. I think I got excited about the last lynch and am getting carried away. Austin is an extremely good player, completely capable of bussing. He's extremely good. I didn't even suspect him when he was scum in pie's last game. Well I did initally but had back tracked the read by the end of the day phase.
The only reason I am backtracking here is the way savant claimed.
Fine. I'm non-self-targeting doctor.
Who else has received a role like that? Austin has a unique way of naming roles when he mods, for example in the robots mafia game when I was doctor, I was the "Nonconsecutive Doctor." Not just the Doctor who happens to not be able to use his action on consecutive nights, the way other mods probably frame this role.
Look at some of the roles he's used before. "Doctor-Strengthener." "Flipped-Tracker", "Donation-dependent innocent child", "odd-night stalker" "Even-night roleblocker" "Even-Night Commuter"
Where I feel like most mods would say something along the lines of "You are the doctor! (Insert role justification here) You may not target your self. You win with the town."
The clarification is made in the role pm, or when asked by the player. Austin has a tendency to include his flavor names in his roles. He very easily could have helped Savant with that claim, and I've been paranoid about the way it was phrased in the back of my head, but didn't realize it until now what was bothering me about it.
This isn't hard evidence that austin is scum by any means, and I know he might have just picked up the wording from watching an austin game. Or another experienced player helped him with it. This being a bus is not completely off the table. I will treat austin as if he is town regardless, but I am not going to excuse anti-town behavior in the future is all I am saying, just because he was on the correct lynch. He could have been hoping to bus his partner and ride this out for the long game. We should treat him as any other player for now.
Also I am a little curious of him for trying to press me for more information on my character/role and putting me as a priority for claiming. I don't see how me further claiming details on my protective role helps town at all at this point. I CC'ed the doctor who was guilty. Sure you could argue I was bussing, but how does my character or role matter? And then you have to buy no town protective roles, etc. Idk seemed weird to me.
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@AustinL0926
My character is Nakia. I’d rather not elaborate on the mechanics of my role, but you can think of me as a doctor. When I inevitably die, you will see why I chose discretion about my role upon my flip.
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@AustinL0926
I'm honestly confused by the Earth kill as well. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it could be sign of a less experienced or more busy player - putting Joebob, Moozer, and Vader in the crosshairs for today.
My guess is they were trying to POE power roles. The same reason me and pie killed savant in your game, because supas logic about the pawn reaching the other side and becoming another piece etc. We had quite a few claims out yesterday, my guess is they were cop hunting the remaining unclaimed players
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Earth- Bhima Deciever - Town
Savant- Karna- Odd night godfather/ Even night Ninja - Mafia
Claims list:
Barney- Shikhandi
Austin- Dhrishtadyumna - Supersaint
Vader- Ghatoktach- Victim (basically a willful lightning rod)
Savant- Abhimanyu
Moozer- Gambler- Yudhishthira
Lunatic
Whiteflame
JoeBob
Savant- Karna- Odd night godfather/ Even night Ninja - Mafia
Claims list:
Barney- Shikhandi
Austin- Dhrishtadyumna - Supersaint
Vader- Ghatoktach- Victim (basically a willful lightning rod)
Savant- Abhimanyu
Moozer- Gambler- Yudhishthira
Lunatic
Whiteflame
JoeBob
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@whiteflame
Well, scum just did us a big favor. Never would’ve bought that Deceiver role if Earth had claimed it.
HUGE favor. If he had claimed (and I would have pushed him 100% this phase) he probably would have been mislynched. Then per his role, we would have probably gotten a second mislynch.
Mafia killing him was an insane favor to town. I am guessing he was targeted because he was one of the few unclaimed and they were power role hunting. Mafia are absolutely screwed now lol
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Ha! I had guessed he as karna after the video pie posted. That's a big hit, and a major character in this game. No godfather and ninja is huge. I was roleblocked last night, so I am guessing the second scum has and odd/night even night combo with roleblocking and something else.
Earth was a really weird kill seeing as he was a prime investigation target for dp2.
I tried protecting austin last night but was told I failed, again, I am assuming some type of roleblocker. Moozer and vader are suspects today, since they weren't participatory on the lynch. Both have already full claimed though. We shouldn't fully discount whiteflame and moozer in hindsight for being on the lynch, Savant had scum slipped a couple of times, there is a chance the other mafia wanted to cut their losses. But it still looks good because I feel like I was scum would have tried to argue off that lynch onto a better target, as losing a teamate dp1 is a huge loss. Barney hammered but only after I had CC'ed so he doesn't get the same towncred whiteflame and moozer get.
I see almost no way austin is scum. I know he is smart enough and capable enough to bus, but I don't think he is a risky type of player like that, I think he is more calculated from what I have seen. If I am wrong I will eat my words. But I am town confirming him for now unless his behavior betrays his day phase one actions.
I'll be posting more soon when I am at work. This is a wierd ass theme but I plan on doing some research on some of the claimed characters.
For now, VTL Barney since we already have claims from my other two suspects.
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Earth, vader, joebob good investigation targets. Maybe Barney. Whiteflame and moozer get town cred for being on the wagon, when scum had major incentive to discourage this wagon.
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@AustinL0926
I kinda wish you hadn't CC'd. Savant was going down anyway and this gives scum some unnecessary info. Whatever, gj town (D1 scum lynch possible nowai??)
I panicked because I overslept and saw people VTNL'ing and I knew the day phase was running out of time. I didn't think I could convince people to get a lynch on him otherwise. But trading a protective role for 1 of likely 2 scum is way worth it imo.
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For investigators:
Earth 'town read' savant early. Vader and joebob have been the only ones keeping their noses out of the mess. You could argue the activity factor with vader, but when I was mafia with him he was way more active in the mafia discord then he was in the forum itself, so something to keep in mind. I would heavily reccommend investigating in that group of people if savant does indeed flip scum. If he doesn't, pie is just a bastard mod which I doubt because he is pretty much constantly accusing other mods of being bastard so I don't see him as a hypocrite.
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@ILikePie5
Show us that flip. Better not be a bastard mod with two doctors XD
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Okay I am caught up. To clarify I am not a doctor, but I am essentially a doctor but slightly weaker. But there's no way this role exists with a doctor. Asking you guys to trust me on this one. If I am wrong and some reason there is two protective roles like mine that essentially function like a doctor, I will look foolish, but I will full claim next day phase if necessary. But I am pretty sure they asked pie if there was a doctor in the game and he answered no, so they thought doctor wasa safe fake claim and that is why he claimed it.
Austin is 100% town if savant is scum, hell he is probably town even if he isn't.
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@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
unvote for a quick second while I catch up. Savant is not the doctor! I am pretty sure he is scum but let me catch up on everything to make sure.
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EVERYONE UNVOTE I AM CC'ing Savant
So sorry for my inactivity I am not caught up yet but I am CC'ing savant, he is definitely scum
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I agree with Austin’s logic in the savant wagon and was also a little skeptical of him saying no one would claim a Kandauva. I am still slightly suspicious of Barney role sounding like a negative utility role based on his character. But I can confirm his character is at least a Pandava and he was the first to claim so he gets some points for that.
If we pressure for a claim I think we only get one more max this day phase depending on how sis the claim is from savant then we either decide to lynch him or move on with a VTNL.
For now I’ll help add pressure. Going back to sleep for a couple hours then I’ll be back on.
VTL savant
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@Savant
Also makes it easier for the scum to pick fakeclaims.
Quite the oppose actually. It locks scum into picking characters from one faction only, and if there’s a limited number of characters in that faction, even better chances that when they claim they get counter claimed. The more minor the characters the easier it will be to suspect a person in this case. Also knowing the theme split is pretty good in general for sussing people out when all characters are eventually claimed.
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@Savant
The previous games had Pie moving things along and a lot of immediate accusations, which give a lot more to work off of. I'm also a lot more reluctant to give character information given that it got me killed the first night in the last two games. I could start pushing random people, but that seemed to help scum in the last two games.
No that is good actually. If no one claims a Karauva that’s an indicator that is what the theme split is and we’re picking everyone early into a soft claim. I don’t actually know enough about the theme to know if the Karauvas are bad guys just that they lose the war because of a tranny lol. Read that in Barney’s character info
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Can everyone answer this:
Is your character aligned with the Pandava's, or the Kaurava's or neither? Might be too obvious of a theme split but I don't see the harm in getting this information.
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Barney- Shikhandi - ???
Austin- ??? - Supersaint
Vader- Ghatoktach- Victim (basically a willful lightning rod)
Lunatic
Whiteflame
Moozer
JoeBob
Earth
Savant
Barney- Shikhandi - ???
Austin- ??? - Supersaint
Vader- Ghatoktach- Victim (basically a willful lightning rod)
Lunatic
Whiteflame
Moozer
JoeBob
Earth
Savant
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@AustinL0926
Since you already role claimed, please claim your character
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@Vader
Also I have no idea how or what the fuck this theme is so if anyone has some form of insight inshallah please be town
Me neither. It feels very https://giphy.com/gifs/bollywood-badhaai-ho-morni-banke-3XsniM1pgA5R6ZkCeX
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No religious aspect in the name of my role... But there are not many of those.
I read the description of your character, whose a women who was scorned by a man who fucks her out of a marriage, so she kills herself, reincarnates as a man in order to enact revenge on this dude. She is apparently succesful according to the wiki. If anyone has a death revenge type of role it would be you... Its a role hell bent on revenge and killing. I was thinking you were something like a hunter when you claimed it, now austin is basically claiming hunter. I wanna say the character sounds scummy but I don't really understand the theme enough and I don't think pie does good/evil theme splits. I guess I am just a bit suspicious of your role though based on how well it fits with a negative type of action, or sounds like it should.
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@Barney
Did some research on your character. Does Austin's claim... Mean anything to you? Raise any red flags?
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@AustinL0926
supersaint. automaticly kill person who hammers me.
lEtS tEsT iT
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Supa probably doesn’t even know the game is up yet. Usually he posts as soon as he knows about it.
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@Barney
Here. And totally definitely vanilla...You may be wondering how this is possible when the mod says "NO VANILLAS" but notice the S at the end, no vanillas plural, not singular.
Took me a second to realize you were joking 🙃
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