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@JoeBob
Post 40 indicates he was too busy for mafia anyway
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Come on just two more people
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@Earth
@Barney
@Mharman
Has the mafia break been long enough yet yall?
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It is what it is. I wanna save this theme for at least ten people though, so if we cant get the numbers then let's just cancel for now.
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But GG, I am not sure I would have won this one either, austin barney is a solid scum team. And it was way to easy to get turned on to inactives here. "An active mafia will eat itself in the face of an inactive town"
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I mean that is a solid mafia team but I still cant believe you guys didnt lynch barney their with results literally indicating he was scum
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@Earth
@Greyparrot
@Bullish
Any interest? I can probably run this with 8 but will have to cut some fun roles out
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Eh will see how it goes i guess but looks like people are burning out, i can just cancel and try again if the mafia community comes back.
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@Best.Korea
No offense but I’m not playing that game, I randomize teams. If that bugs you then you don’t have to play.
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@Mharman
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@Best.Korea
@WyIted
Sign up!
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Welcome to “Invincible” Mafia!
This is a fun theme based on a comic series that Amazon prime recently adapted into a Television Series. If you ever watched the “The Boys” and liked it, this series is very similar. It can be extremely gruesome and gritty, with fair amounts of comic relief. Lots of action, and really diverse antagonists, which is my favorite part. Antagonists who are evil for the sake of being evil, antagonists who have character arcs and end up being good guys, antagonists who have third party intentions but aren’t really evil per say, antagonists who are evil but you understand them based on their fucked up pasts, etc etc. I just find this concept should make for an absolutely crazy mafia game. Many of the characters match a lot of roles I can think of so I’ve been craving to do this theme for some time now.
The game isn’t quite complete. I am putting a lot of time love and care in this one. That’s not to say it will be the best balance ever (though I definitely will strive for that) many of the characters abilities can technically function as like 5 different roles. So trying to make justification fit roles perfectly will be tricky, and I’m doing my best to make the role justifications work in a way that doesn’t back fire on the players when claiming their roles.
Also many of you are new since I’ve probably had a year off mafia and may not be familiar with a Lunatic style game. For those who have never played in a lunatic style game, I tend to slightly give mafia an edge role wise. What I mean by that is there will generally be a counter to any major power role town has. I do this because it has always been my strong opinion that results should be taken in context with behavior and I have noticed way too many town player pools rely heavily on results just to lose the game because they have never been countered by a framer or lawyer before. This isn’t to say town won’t be powerful, just that town should keep in mind that mafia will be able to counter almost everything they can do.
Anyways this game will be an open set up. I will start the game off with a list of characters that can be in the game. Mafia will not be given fake claims directly since it’s an open set up and they can refer to this list for fake claims. I will probably give them a strong hint as to an available role, but ultimately I believe mafia should have to put some work into fake claiming and just handing out fake claims has always felt to easy to me.
Let’s start the game off with 12, if we can’t get that number I’ll lower it to ten and we can go from there. Look forward to hosting my first game in like a year!
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@JoeBob
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@Barney
@whiteflame
Thankyou. I think joebobs behavior at minimum is deserving of a claim at this point. Other wise this day phase ends with untied loose ends.
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Joebob, earth and whiteflame (I know whiteflame isn’t in the wagon yet but it’s clear his intention is to steer away from the joebob wagon which means ultimately he intends the other wagon to go through given the expiring time limit)I think are the most manufactured votes in the wagon so far. I’m giving supa a pass only because he still seems to scum read joebob and isn’t giving him a complete pass on behavior.
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@whiteflame
Saying that we aren’t accomplishing anything by pursuing a joebob lynch seems silly. Of course he will claim, and that either aids the lynch by being a scummy claim or he saves himself and it is something where we can explain away his behavior as being “just being a joebob”, the way I only make excuses for RMs behavior being scummy. Unfortunately letting people get away with the same thing over and over again isn’t my style and dismissing him as a noob is a disservice to him as a player. Austin is a “noob” to me as well and I don’t see anyone lumping him into this same category as Joebob.
In the same foot lunching greyparrot doesn’t get us any information either if he just flips straight up 3rd party. We just see “wow grey parrot was being honest again like usual” we really accomplished something there. We really did a good job scum hunting. Pat ourselves on the back.
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The growing wagon on greyparrot overnight if anything has solidified my read on joebob. I don’t think I town read white flame any longer either. That gigantic post dismissing my read on joebob seemed more carefully calculated than he probably seemed it to be.
We literally just got burned by joebob in the last game by letting him lurk throughout the whole game and post minimal analysis, and he came right out the gate saying that he would be more active. Then he lied blatantly about that and decided only to post when he had significant amount of pressure and when he did actually post his analysis was hot garbage intended to spin the lynch on the only other person who HAS a wagon which is GP. This isn’t a person with a low IQ or someone dumb. I’m giving him way more credit than that. He’s a debater, and I’ve seen posts from him that indicate maturity and thoughtfulness. And I don’t exactly how new he is but based on what I’ve interpreted here I expect he’s played in at least 3-4 games by now and knows how these things go. So giving someone the “he’s a noob” excuse only goes so far.
The way the wagon has shifted in light of only a three vote wagon and how everyone has turned from Joe on has solidified my scum read on him and I really think white flame should be a prime investigation target tonight after that lawyer defense trial he just did for Joe in excusing all of his behavior so far.
The joebob read isn’t just about having bad reads I disagree with, if it were I’d be pressuring BK or Vader. It’s about motivation to say and do certain things. Joebobs instinct is immediately to turn to directing the lynch to the only other person that he feels can be lynched today.
Joebob for me in the other hand is someone I actually have stated that I suspect and yes before the wagon on him even started. Town need to lynch to win, and going for Joebob is anything but opportunistic when he was in my scum pool the entirety of last game for doing the bare minimum and riding the coat tails of other Lynch’s that were better than him.
His play style is literally ver batim the exact same as last game.
I suspect greyparrot will be lynched. There could be some town in this one, but I think investigators should look at some of the last minute shift votes here, especially Joebob and whiteflame.
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@ILikePie5
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since there is less than 24 hours tonight and I have a concert tonight, I am going to join the joebob wagon. I actually scumread him for one, and I think it accomplishes more than a GP wagon which really is just a throw away cop out lynch at this point. Joebob hasn't really done much in the way of "scum hunting" or done anything really to strike me as townie, I need something to feel like I shouldn't vote him. Also I like the wagon on him, I townread vader slightly, and I believe greyparrot is actually thirdparty, so I don't have to worry about him voting with inside factional information. I think the joebob train is the way to go this day phase.
VTL joebob.
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Interesting you thought I was aggressive in the last game. I thought I was actually pretty passive. I had BK as a scum read in that game based on his character not fitting his role and some other factors and I never even needed up voting for him or leading his lynch
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@AustinL0926
Noted. I’m also coming off a very long mafia break so my ability to read people is a bit rusty and I’m trying not to hyperanalyze things. I tend to latch on to a thing I think is scummy and then hyper focus everything into a scum tell based on that thing so I’m trying to not get carried away and be open minded here as well
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Forgot whiteflame in that but my town read on him is the same from earlier
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Here’s my reads. Don’t try to argue with me on on them because they aren’t concrete yet and many have switched a couple times. These are vibes and feelings more or less.
Austin- Austin is playing how I would be playing if I was scum. Asking a lot of questions, trying to look townie, but it doesn’t feel like he actually is questioning people with the intention to understand. I feel like his questions are pointed and designed to provoke a reaction that he can use and expand on to to try and make someone look a certain way rather than seeming genuinely curious. When he questioned me about my townrrad on whiteflame it felt like he was purposely missing the point over and over again to try and harp on a detail I got wrong about whiteflame being “well researched” which obviously wasn’t the point at all. You see him doing the same thing with Barney really being manipulative with the questioning and unnecessary aggressive like he’s trying to force Ragnar to make a slip or contradiction, instead of acknowledging that Ragnar can scum read someone and not want to lynch someone at the same time. The scum hunting tactics that Austin is using just don’t feel real or authentic to me. Granted I’m not used to his playstyle.
Joebobs inactivity despite his promise to be active strikes me scummy, I expect scum to know what in the in if they have an active partner as well, he seems just interested enough to respond to prompts while using “lengthy posts” as an excuse not to stay active and participating. I can see him having a scum role that he is just interested in playing and hoping to play the bare minimum in the first few phases.
Barney I disagree with his FOS on BKreasons stated but he doesn’t seem over eager to lynch him so for now I’m mostly null on him.
Supadudz feels authentic to me even if I disagree with some of his reads like on whiteflame, his reasoning at least makes sense and the way he is coming to conclusions feels natural for a scum hunting townie supa.
Greyparrot, I believe his claim. I’m not overeager to lynch him though I don’t care if we lynch him at day phase end if we don’t have time to lynch a scum read. I am very interested in his wagon though and I feel like mafia would be on that one (town would too but I don’t see the urgency for town to participate in it this early).
Wylted, mostly null on but his honesty about being on greyparrot makes me not suspect him as much, if he is scum the honesty act plays me a bit and I’ll have to keep that in mind in future games.
Austin- Austin is playing how I would be playing if I was scum. Asking a lot of questions, trying to look townie, but it doesn’t feel like he actually is questioning people with the intention to understand. I feel like his questions are pointed and designed to provoke a reaction that he can use and expand on to to try and make someone look a certain way rather than seeming genuinely curious. When he questioned me about my townrrad on whiteflame it felt like he was purposely missing the point over and over again to try and harp on a detail I got wrong about whiteflame being “well researched” which obviously wasn’t the point at all. You see him doing the same thing with Barney really being manipulative with the questioning and unnecessary aggressive like he’s trying to force Ragnar to make a slip or contradiction, instead of acknowledging that Ragnar can scum read someone and not want to lynch someone at the same time. The scum hunting tactics that Austin is using just don’t feel real or authentic to me. Granted I’m not used to his playstyle.
Joebobs inactivity despite his promise to be active strikes me scummy, I expect scum to know what in the in if they have an active partner as well, he seems just interested enough to respond to prompts while using “lengthy posts” as an excuse not to stay active and participating. I can see him having a scum role that he is just interested in playing and hoping to play the bare minimum in the first few phases.
Barney I disagree with his FOS on BKreasons stated but he doesn’t seem over eager to lynch him so for now I’m mostly null on him.
Supadudz feels authentic to me even if I disagree with some of his reads like on whiteflame, his reasoning at least makes sense and the way he is coming to conclusions feels natural for a scum hunting townie supa.
Greyparrot, I believe his claim. I’m not overeager to lynch him though I don’t care if we lynch him at day phase end if we don’t have time to lynch a scum read. I am very interested in his wagon though and I feel like mafia would be on that one (town would too but I don’t see the urgency for town to participate in it this early).
Wylted, mostly null on but his honesty about being on greyparrot makes me not suspect him as much, if he is scum the honesty act plays me a bit and I’ll have to keep that in mind in future games.
Earth I feel scum lean on because of his inactivity, bandwagoning and general lack of scum hunting. Though tbh in the games I’ve played with him he kind of always does this so could be lazy town.
BK I don’t really know his playstyle. His claim seems legit based on some research is did. His behavior is atrocious but I can’t hold that against him yet because he was town last game and simped everything RM did and said so I am gonna have to keep an eye out for him on how he plays. I haven’t really agreed with much of anything they’ve said this day phase but confirmation bias doesn’t necessarily mean scum.
Tomorrow I will re analyze all my reads and try to find a better lynch target than GP. If I can’t or don’t have the time I’d settle for GP, but it feels lazy to me. Been working a lot so I don’t have the time to scum hunt the way I really like to, I can only use my phone at work and posting from my phone is tiresome. Hopefully tomorrow will be slow enough at work I can hard focus the game a little better
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@JoeBob
I am usually like this. I know what’s going on until there is paragraphs upon paragraphs of words in every post for pages and pagesAnd that’s when I loose track of what’s going on.
Not really an excuse. Every mafia game is gonna have paragraphs and paragraphs of posts. Back in the day many games would reach over 1k post day phases. If you can’t keep up you shouldn’t sign up for it, but I am more likely to find your “interested” disinterest scummy. Posting as you have makes it look like you’re “active and responding” to prompts while not contributing. Even without being fully read as town you should be at least skeptical of people and their intentions. I don’t buy your excuse and find you a bit scummy sir.
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@Barney
I did see him shift, just pulled into another game so did not update that dashboard… Millionaire doesn’t sound at all like what he first described, so one or both is a lie.
To me I think it was a mis-understanding of his role PM based on the wording and phrasing pie used. Mine is pretty wordy as well, and if you don't know or understand the theme, or are new to mafia (both seem to be the case with BK) I can see how a communication error like this could happen. Passing on a message was probably phrased like "You can pass on gifts" or something that made him jump to the conclusion that he had something to do with items where if he read his role properly he would have understood it mechanically better. I just don't see the scum motivation for him to out his role unnecessary and then randomly change it. I think its more likely he just got confused with the wording and he is a new-ish player. Anyone making a chicken out of a feather with this will likely strike me as oppertunistic scum.
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@Barney
While I know some idgits think it's anti-town to help each other with information, I'd very much appreciate it if I were not the only one periodically updating the dashboard...
I usually keep claims lists myself. Havent had a chance to update one yet but I will. Probably in a different format than yours though
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Yeah I don’t really know much about the theme either other than what I read about recently on BKs character (apparently she made a wish for wealth based on growing up poor but it was like a monkey paw curse) which seems to align with the millionaire thing.
Considering how deep into the wiki I had to read to get to that part makes me buy the claim a little bit though. Unless of course pie have the fake claim, but yeah I don’t see someone unfamiliar with the theme and mafia as a whole putting that together.
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@AustinL0926
His extensive call out of GPs character based on theme analysis. If you’re asking me to cross check his research I’m not doing that cuz I don’t care and it wasn’t my point. My point is he seems invested in solving who or what GP is because he is trying to scum hunt, which again, contrasts how I know him to play as mafia.
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@AustinL0926
Where did you get that from? Post #8:
His research has been very thorough then. Either way my point remains, whiteflame is too involved in his pursuit here which is contrary to his passive nature as scum
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I think I’m a couple pages behind. Trying to find where BK claimed? I remember him saying something about giving items but the context of the conversation implies he gives roles. Where was this said how am I missing it
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@Best.Korea
mean, this barely feels like role madness.Me and GP are basically vanilla, so think in dp1 either vanilla gets lynched either there is no lynch, so unless we somehow find confirmed scum this dp, which I doubt we will, then I suggest we lynch vanilla or do no lynch. Also, stop further claiming in this dp as it gives scum more precise targets for night kill.
Nope nvm the “lets lynch vanillas” thing was BK not Austin
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whiteflame's relative dismissal of BKorea suspicious role while pushing at GreyParrot reads me as a bit scum, considering I haven't really seen him that aggressive in a DP in a while
It’s funny you think whiteflame is scum. I’ve found his behavior town as hell especially for the fact that he’s been tunneling hard on this. He sounds very familiar with the theme, and while pursuing GP this hard is kind of futile (most people are probably just down to lynch him on the basis of being an admitted third party), I find his passion pretty town. Coming from the last game where he was scum where he focusing too much on defense. Or other games where he just seems entirely too passive as scum, this is a stark contrast.
Having never played with Bk I don’t know his scum tells very well but I think it’s foolish to scum read him off of what little he has revealed about his role so far. I don’t agree that vanillas should be lynch priority as he suggested but other than that I find it kind of wierd you got a hard on for him for his claim.
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@Vader
whiteflame's relative dismissal of BKorea suspicious role while pushing at GreyParrot reads me as a bit scum, considering I haven't really seen him that aggressive in a DP in a while
It’s funny you think whiteflame is scum. I’ve found his behavior town as hell especially for the fact that he’s been tunneling hard on this. He sounds very familiar with the theme, and while pursuing GP this hard is kind of futile (most people are probably just down to lynch him on the basis of being an admitted third party), I find his passion pretty town. Coming from the last game where he was scum where he focusing too much on defense. Or other games where he just seems entirely too passive as scum, this is a stark contrast.
Having never played with Bk I don’t know his scum tells very well but I think it’s foolish to scum read him off of what little he has revealed about his role so far. I don’t agree that vanillas should be lynch priority as he suggested but other than that I find it kind of wierd you got a hard on for him for his claim.
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I don’t see a ton of utility in prolonged discussion about GPs role tbh. I think he’s more than likely telling the truth but if we get stuck at a point where there is no viable lynch option we can cut him out of the player pool. Honestly I wouldn’t care if we just left him alive and if our investigators are paranoid about him maybe they can look into him more, but ultimately pursuing him feels pointless to me. Grey parrot gonna do what grey parrot gonna do. As long as he votes with the town and seems interested in catching and hunting scum I am okay with leaving him alive. If his antics seem too self serving or against town wincon, I’d be okay raising him higher in the scum pool.
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/out pies game has started I dont wanna run two at the same time
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Confirm a novisit from a doc claim with Wylted and whiteflame both outed? XD it helps him live.
Yes in a role mad game, a no visit is as close to a confirmation as you can get lol. Mafia would be night killing and roleblocking their happy pants off
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