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Barney had 0 reason to confirm my action as scum. With all the gaslighting, manipulating, and changing of narrative you were doing to me RM he could have framed results literally anywhere else. His results confirming my lack of action was huge for taking me out of the scum pool and he had 0 reason to do that as mafia. He was almost confirmed town in my book, I was just a little suspicious he could be up to some big brain play. But my gut was telling me he was town after that
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@JoeBob
Your guys activity being low also didn’t help your case imo.
Totally called that’s Wylted made you counter claim jailer for confirmation as well.
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Lunatic protects BarneyThis is a bit crazy to me, why didn't he selfsave? I would have, in his shoes.
It was a gamble that didn’t pay off. Figured mafia would think I would self save and go for Barney instead. Oh well
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@AustinL0926
Ngl, after modding this game, I've realized that cop is kind of a silly role because it allows players to skip the entire social deduction part of Mafia. I'll need to think of something better in the future.
No, no, no. I used to feel the same way about cops. What I started doing to combat this is always put a mafia role that is solely to fvck with cops. IE Redirector, lawyer, framer, etc. People who rely on results so heavily get punished super hard because they cant look past a guilty result that mafia calculated a frame job on. If more mods start putting counter roles to cops in their games, players will be forced to read behavior in context with results and not just take the easy route.
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I would still go back and lynch 7k knowing he was town, and I'd be proud of it. We saved so much clutter in future day phases with that lynch. Your welcome.
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Ive explained it to you a million times. Plus im non consec doc so I didnt want to waste a protection when I didnt have to.
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@Mharman
Bro bud light was my go to long before they made it gay to drink it. Idgaf I’m still drinking bud light!
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You should just replace Vader with mharman lol we all know Vader gonna make like 10 posts the whole game :p
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@Vader
Are you gonna be active this time?
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Its gonna be nice to take a break from you in the next game RM.
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VTL Wytled. Gave you a chance and you played us, so never again.
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Save me or get voted off next end of discussion
You dont have the power you think you do. Don't threaten me.
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@Barney
What are your scum piles?
I think BK is whiteflames partner. Gave some pretty big analysis on why, and its completely seperate from wylted's outing. POE means that Jib, and joebob are wylted's partner. I don't have a reason behaviorally to scum read you at the moment, but I cannot leave you out of the scum pile. I know you are a very good player and there is a chance you could be wylteds partner a well. Though honestly you confirming my lack of a visit was a town tell, because RM has been trying to push me, and you could have easily taken advantage of that wagon and claimed tracker results elsewhere. I think Jib was told by wylted to counter claim whiteflame when RM guiltied him hoping that it would "town confirm" him. But more likely is another roleblocker who functions like whiteflame.
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You are so triggered bro lol. Nice logical reply. Totally wasn’t full of emotion.
You aren’t making a very good case to lead your lynch home boy.
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@RationalMadman
Drop your ego. You arentnspecialaghnificent or a god tier player if you drop your ego. You've fucked up relentlessly this game including your DP1 vote.
What ego lol. I’m not the one saying I’m carrying town. You’re getting super defensive without even trying to listen to my reasoning. Your confirmation bias is gonna get in the way of you winning this game.
You're voting a jailkeeper claim when I say I'm roleblocked and mafia roleblocker is dead at least for one team. Your brain is caught lacking, your pants are caught saggin, you're scum and my ring says I'm Bilbo damn Baggins.
I’m voting him for activity. Today’s lynch will be best Korea. You are also waiting for ijb to talk so I’m not sure why you are having an issue with this vote. Also stop rapping it’s cringey.
You're not this dumb as town to say you'd vote BK or GP today and then vote ijb. You even forgot joebob and ijb aren't the same person.
Stop being a manipulative sack of sh1t. You know I’m not voting him as a lynch.
Actually whiteflame's role if WF is odd team means town still had factional armor up
Not a single townies been hit so what happened night phase 1?
You have to ignore every circumstance to have your confirmation bias work in your favor. Let the ego GO. I know you think you’re a god because you got BK following everything you say. Ever think there could be a nefarious reason for that? He’s sucking up to you to manipulate you because he knows you have a big ego and will steer the town wrong. Your being used.
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RM drop your ego.
What happened in your kind with the night kill? Do you think they dumbly targeted you after we telegraphed protection of you in the day phase? Or do you think it’s more likely best Korea was targeted and used that scum teams factional bulletproof? Does it not bug you that him and GPs claims contradict each other? 1x bulletproof IS a bleeder. He only came out as 1x when pressed by you also. And why the hell is duck a vigilante?
Further why did I get a video of greyparrots character in my pm? You really think that was a mafia gambit to confirm greyparrot dp1? Quite a stretch.
We can win this but if your gonna fight this tooth and nail your gonna be pretty embarrassing in the endgame. Just think this through logically and drop your ego.
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@Barney
What do you think about my theory about Wylted telling ijb to counter claim white flame for “town confirmation”? Who do you think wylteds partner is if not him?
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Joebob is really staying consistent with the “haven’t caught up nor plan on doing so” play if he’s scum. Kinda buying into the possibility that he’s actually noob town. I think wylteds partner by POE will have to be either Barney or ijb. Still leaning ijb but I’d really like to hear from him soon
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@JoeBob
Your motivator just lets people use an twice in one night or gives an x shot role an extra use in general?
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@Best.Korea
Literally assumes that WyIted is not lying about his partner, and that I am somehow scum.
Wylted hasn’t said who is partner is so what are you talking about?
Its interesting how most players agreed that WyIted is the logical target for Vig shot, because who else would be?
RM is not “most players”. Also it doesn’t account for the lack of the mafia kill, mafia would have been stupid to target RM last night after we telegraphed protecting him. We had a POE pool of greyparrot, ijb and joebob as remaining scum you could have shot between. Even if you wanted to get confirmed by a motivator you had other options.
So he admits that Austin makes mistakes, and then somehow concludes that bulletproof and bleeder cant both be in game.I already said that I have no explanation for why Austin made duck vigilante. Ask Austin after the game.
The functionality of a bleeder is essentially the same as a 1x bulletproof. You’re literally claiming the same role as GP when there’s also a doctor and a claimed jailkeeper lol.
Not being able to explain the balance isn’t your fault but it still doesn’t help your case that you can’t. To be fair, with all the POE town has you did the best you could do with the circumstances you were dealt, but if that was your given fake claim I wouldn’t have added to vigilante part.
I dont see how is this point even relevant to me.
It indicates that you claimed a visiting role most likely knowing you would get tracked or watched to someone at some point and wouldn’t be able to explain that away if you were just bulletproof. Your forced into a position where the lack of another kill makes you automatically suspicious based on what you chose to claim because trying to sell me that mafia targeted RM after we publicly talked about protecting him makes not a lot of sense.
It only makes sense that if you do anti-town moves, you are anti-town.Your move is literally gonna make scum team win if it succeeds, and I even explained how. So the fact that you ignored explanation and still want to go with your poor reads, sure, go for it.But then dont come and say "we lost because of BK".No, you lost because you ignored logical lynch order.Have fun.
I mean your response to Barney’s pressure was to literally threaten to kill him…
And again that’s not logical lynch order. Logical lynch order is taking an entire night kill off the board as a priority…
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But Barney also didn’t have any reason to town confirm me with his results yesterday either. So he looks good for that. Could have been a big brain play though
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I’m also not 100% convinced that Barney isn’t wylteds partner either. But that’s a problem for down the road and I still think joebob or ijb are likelier candidates
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My lynch target would have been you or GP today regardless of wylteds information. I woke up to the mod answering my question about fake claims being given video which was ultimately the icing on the cake. Wylted was just confirming a conclusion I came to on my own anyway. But ultimately there’s too much that can’t be accounted for and too many convieneces regarding your role that can’t be overlooked
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@WyIted
Tell your partner he needs to post so we can get to the part where I can get Bk lynched lol.
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@AustinL0926
Can you ping IJB? Day phase time is running low. We need to hear his results before we move on and it’s gonna be a war trying to get BK lynched so we can’t afford to be held up by one player
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For anyone questioning why we’re lynching Korea over wylted here’s why:
1. Taking out an entire mafia team means the other mafia team can only target us every other night. We are essentially taking out an entire night kill. Whiteflames partner is more important to die for this reason.
2. Bk wasted his vig shot on wylted. Tracker results confirm this and he should have known it would be pointless since the mafia have a factional bulletproof. He thought he would get away with it since RM commanded him to do it last night misguidenly.
3. There are two 1x bulletproofs in the game. A bleeder is essentially the same thing as a 1x bulletproof, and greyparrots role makes far more sense with the role. I was also accidentally given greyparrots video and have come out saying that since early day phase 1 before BK even claimed this role. Also there is no logical explanation for duck to be a vigilante. The video he attached, duck got his @ss beat and won based on a fluke when cobalts tires get stuck. Otherwise duck was 100% a victim with 0 offense and did 0 damage to cobalt. Why would duck be a vigilante? Greyparrots role makes 1000% more sense as bleeder and survives twice as long against ribbot. I saw the video before greyparrot even claimed it and thought “holy crap that’s a durable friggin robot”.
4. Also BK convienently couldn’t kill NP1 I believe this is to justify the lack of action in proving his role. Either way we can’t substantiate where the mafia kill went if it wasn’t BK. Mafia would have been dumb to target RM last night since it was telegraphed that I should be protecting him. So where is this other kill going?
5. His response to any pressure has been OMGUS to Barney and now to me, behaviorally he’s been hoping just to stick close to whatever RM does in hopes that he could skate through the game. Notice I’ve made all these points already and he hasn’t actually responded to one of them.
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For anyone questioning why we’re lynching Korea over wylted here’s why:
1. Taking out an entire mafia team means the other mafia team can only target us every other night. We are essentially taking out an entire night kill. Whiteflames partner is more important to die for this reason.
2. Bk wasted his vig shot on wylted. Tracker results confirm this and he should have known it would be pointless since the mafia have a factional bulletproof. He thought he would get away with it since RM commanded him to do it last night misguidenly.
3. There are two 1x bulletproofs in the game. A bleeder is essentially the same thing as a 1x bulletproof, and greyparrots role makes far more sense with the role. I was also accidentally given greyparrots video and have come out saying that since early day phase 1 before BK even claimed this role. Also there is no logical explanation for duck to be a vigilante. The video he attached, duck got his @ss beat and won based on a fluke when cobalts tires get stuck. Otherwise duck was 100% a victim with 0 offense and did 0 damage to cobalt. Why would duck be a vigilante? Greyparrots role makes 1000% more sense as bleeder and survives twice as long against ribbot. I saw the video before greyparrot even claimed it and thought “holy crap that’s a durable friggin robot”.
4. Also BK convienently couldn’t kill NP1 I believe this is to justify the lack of action in proving his role. Either way we can’t substantiate where the mafia kill went if it wasn’t BK. Mafia would have been dumb to target RM last night since it was telegraphed that I should be protecting him. So where is this other kill going?
5. His response to any pressure has been OMGUS to Barney and now to me, behaviorally he’s been hoping just to stick close to whatever RM does in hopes that he could skate through the game. Notice I’ve made all these points already and he hasn’t actually responded to one of them.
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Gonna ignore BK for now he is pretty much confirmed scum in my eyes. Probably RM too since he’s gonna throw a hissy fit and I don’t wanna waste time with it.
For now VTL ijb
He needs to say who he blocked today and why before we move on to lynching BK
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I believe wylted. Here’s why.
1st of all my top two picks for whiteflames team mate were greyparrot or beat.Korea. When I said I wouldn’t believe him if it was outside of those two picks it’s because I know the final mafia related to wylted based on POE has to be Joebob or ijb. I still think wylted had ijb counter claim white flame when he got guiltied to “town confirm” his partner when it was clear white flame was already damned. I can’t completely discount him as town yet because we still can’t explain how RM was roleblocked, though my theory is that there is another roleblocker and that it works the exact same way as white flames, where the person you roleblocked the previous night is the only person you can kill the next phase.
Either way this problem can wait as we also need to still confirm joebob whose role has been sketchy since he claimed it based on limited roles existing in the game for him to actual motivate.
As far as whiteflames partner though the only two claims that almost directly counter each other is greyparrots and BKs. Again it’s not the multiple protection/defensive role thing I don’t buy just how many of the claims seem to counter each other. Jailkeeper when we have a known roleblocker? Bleeder with a 1x bulletproof? 1x bulletproof is literally the same thing as a bleeder. One of these has to fake.
The one thing greyparrot has going for him is that I recieved a video link for black dragon vs ribbot on accident from the mod. The only excuse I could give that GP could be scum from that was that if it was a mod given fake claim, because when I watched the video for black dragon vs ribbot, my first thought was “holy shit black dragon just won’t die” after it takes a nearly 4 minute beating from ribbot.
In the video BK provides it’s only two minutes long and it’s basically duck just taking a massive beating. The justification for it being bulletproof makes sense since it wins the match but only on the technicality because Cobalt gets stuck on the floor. Duck literally does absolutely nothing offensive and wins the fight by a fluke. I think this was the fake claim but it was for bulletproof only. BKs mistake was claiming to also be a vigilante, and he probably did this because he was expecting a role like a tracker or watcher to find him on a result at some point. But in the video he provided it just doesn’t make sense since duck has 0 offense.
The icing on the cake is that the mod got back to me and basically said that he wouldn’t have provided a video with the fake claim given. So that leaves me with 0 reason for the mod to have accidentally copied and pasted that video to me, my theory was he could have accidentally posted it from giving GP a fake claim but his response proves that’s not the case. And greyparrot is lazy so I just don’t see him finding out such an amazing claim that fits his video so perfectly as a fake claim. I think his is legit and bleeder just makes more sense than straight up 1x bulletproof.
Either way the other partner had to have been one of greyparrot or BK and all that against BK plus wylted targeting his shield last night (convienent to pass that off as a bulletproof) i think wylted is actually being honest here. I just can’t explain why I recieved greyparrots video unless it was a legit mod mistake since there was no videos to go with fake claims and it’s an either or for me so BK pretty has to be scum here. Him convienently not being able to prove his role doesn’t help either, and wylteds team factional bulletproof protecting his night kill, it makes so much sense. Even if it was successful we would have no explanation for the lack of the mafias night kill.
Pretty obvious that it’s BK.
We lynch BK today. Tomorrow wylted. Next day ijb or joebob, ( we will have much more info at this time and he’ll have had plenty of time to have proven his role). Ez POE
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RM is spamming the day phase. Barney you dont even have to waste your time and energy responding to him. No one takes this discussion seriously and its gonna clog up the day phase. Right now we should be waiting on wylted to make a decision and hopefully not clog up the day phase even worse so the inactives will have even more to catch up on for no reason.
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People should aslo ignore RM. There is no risk of mod kills. I am not on the same team as the odd night scum team so it doesn't violate any rules for me to help eliminate them, nor is it an issue as far as playing to my wincon is concerned because I think the move marginally improves our chances.
This ^
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RM this is a team v team v team game, ultimately we have to go against wylted, so its not game breaking. And he could also still lie to us. I am hoping I will be able to catch him lying, because I think I will only believe him if his target is one of like two people. Maybe a third would be believable. Either way its not gamebreaking because there is a potential for us to mislynch our own here, and even if we dont, it's still a team v team game. Hes not insiding anyone on his own team. The other team could have been the one that offered the alliance too, but wylted's been pretty straightforward since the beginning about wanting to ally with us. Obviously our win cons only allow us to do that to an extent, but letting him live an extra day is a pretty good trade off for the information he gives us. Worst comes worse if I sense he is lying, it just confirms another townie in my eyes.
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@WyIted
That's pretty much it yes. I assume the other team shot town NP1 so their shield is down.I guess I should explain why it benefits my team to get rid of the other scum team. If it meant odd night kills were lost than it would not benefit my team, but by removing them from the game it puts NKs in our hand which reduces the chance my scum partner is hit. I think it improves our chances of winning the game.
I think you should reveal who that person is. If the person you reveal is believable I can probably lead town towards lynching that person, RM will be the only obstacle. And for some reason BK worships everything he says and he buys into the RM ego trip, so I'll have to do some convincing. There are certain players if you mention that I simply probably wouldn't even believe you though, so I think to start this out you should go ahead and mention who it is you targeted. You could lie to us, but if I sense that then I'll just go with the original plan to let town lynch you, but based on your last response here I think you also see reason here and see the benefit to taking out the other scum team.
Please out who the player is.
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@RationalMadman
Luna Luna Antitown TunaLunatic has claimed doc. He has said he's unlimited and for absolutely no reason he could justify waived NP1.
AGAIN this wasn't for NO reason. Just because you fail to understand my explanation doesn't mean there wasn't one. This is so frustrating that you constantly gaslight me. You did this multiple times in DP1 to before I even started calling you out for it.
So no matter what we get a benefit for our factional bulletproof. Whether we reap that benefit day phase 1, or reap it day phase 5, the benefit is the same mathematically, in that town basically gets a free night phase with no kills. I was told that if I protect someone who was also the target of the night kill, my protection would take over instead of the factional bulletproof. The factional bulletproof can also be used as an investigation of sorts though can help us figure scum. I wanted the factional bulletproof to be used night phase one so I didn't have to guess about whether or not we still had it in the future. Remember at this time I had no way of knowing if other protective roles existed, and since I am an every night doc which is pretty powerful, I didn't really expect another one to exist (IE why one of the jailkeepers was indeed fake we now know). For example if we had a watcher watch whiteflame and saw that he was visited by me and one other person, I could claim doctor and say I protected the individual and if there was no night kill we can deduce that the other player targeting him was likely scum since I protected his kill. Or if that player had a good role and excuse for visiting the player, we could determine that the person I visited was scum because of their factional night kill. If town still has ours though we simply wouldn't know because town also would have a factional bulletproof. I would rather KNOW we don't have that bulletproof so we can use my role to basically investigate and catch people. Chances are that I would protect the townie that dies np1 is also incredibly low, so it was smartest to let the factional bulletproof do it's job without me adding any WIFOM to the mix. The watcher example is just one of many things that can be used to confirm someone, we know we have a tracker and it can be used the same way. Either way, its more likely than not our shield was used dp1 and reaping that benefit and KNOWING we got that benefit night phase one is more usefull than wondering if we still have it late game because I might have got lucky and protected the right person who was targetted night phase one. It was literally impossible for me to "waste" an action when it's guaranteed a townie won't die anyway.
That's the last time I am explaining this to you. If you keep repeating nonsense about me "wasting" my action, Im just gonna assume you are trolling and keep calling you a retard and hope the rest of town ignores you. You repeating this nonsense is incredibly anti-town.
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@Best.Korea
The current plan is we lynch you and I use my vig shot on GP, so if he is scum, then we took out 2 scums, and if he is what he says he is, then I confirm him as town and then the rest of scums become obvious.Maybe you can give us some reason to lynch someone else tho, but I dont think you can.
We can do the same plan in reverse as well. Or on the person wylted points out is scum. Of course it will have to have been believable and there is only a couple people do to POE that it could even be.
We have the numbers to game solve this, and basically all we would have to do is figure out wyIted's partner but POE should allow us to do that very soon. Finding whiteflame's partner is more immediately useful since we take an entire night kill off the board by doing so.
RM hasn't been wrong on everything this game, and for the most part his logic is sound and he's come to some same conclusions as me, but his ego is massive and he has been wrong on several counts. I think his plan here is wrong and I would be hesitant to sheep him until we hear wylted out.
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@WyIted
I don’t wanna make this sound like an ultimatum or a threat, but rather like a deal that you can benefit from. You reveal who you targeted (I think I know who it is anyway) and we can lynch them instead of you tonight. You get an extra day to live which benefits your team if you have a decent mafia role. Another night phase with you and your partner being alive is pretty sweet deal right? I mean you will likely get lynched tomorrow because there really isn’t any benefit for towns wincin to keep you alive but your partner still has a chance to carry your team so a win isn’t out of the realm. I don’t see how there is more value in guarding the other mafia team then there is in helping town here.This is a good deal. I am not caught up, is anyone on board for it besides you?
BK was before RM manipulated him away from it. I can probably get town on board with it if you can comply. There is strong reason for town to comply because getting rid of the second mafia team entirely benefits town more than trying to eliminate you immediately. Basically it takes an entire night kill out of the picture. Of course what you say has to be believable and if the person you chose isn't like one of two people I have in mind I will probably think you are lying.
Can you confirm that you targeted a player last night who did not die, and that you assume you used this persons shield and that is what you were talking about in the beginning of this phase? Because if I was wrong about that than this whole conversation is pointless.
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@RationalMadman
We are vtl Wylted today, you knocked armor even for his teammat so it doesn't waste your vig if you're real.
If we take out whiteflames partner tonight I’m pretty sure that means no one can kill tonight since Wylteds team shot last night (I believe) so we are buying ourselves a night of peace and a lunch of scum with that deal. Even if I’m wrong on whose turn it is that means the same thing for tomorrow. I’d say taking out one team completely is a good cost to allow wylted to live another day phase.
Obviously if he doesn’t comply he is the lynch today by default since he’s confirmed scum. But I think it makes sense for him to take the deal.
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@AustinL0926
You might have answered this already I can’t remember.
But would your fake claims given to mafia include videos just like everyone’s characters did?
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@WyIted
I don’t wanna make this sound like an ultimatum or a threat, but rather like a deal that you can benefit from. You reveal who you targeted (I think I know who it is anyway) and we can lynch them instead of you tonight. You get an extra day to live which benefits your team if you have a decent mafia role. Another night phase with you and your partner being alive is pretty sweet deal right? I mean you will likely get lynched tomorrow because there really isn’t any benefit for towns wincin to keep you alive but your partner still has a chance to carry your team so a win isn’t out of the realm. I don’t see how there is more value in guarding the other mafia team then there is in helping town here.
Think about it.
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@Greyparrot
This is why I said it seemed like the scum teams are trying to team up to work together
I don’t think wylted knew who the other scum team was last night when he targeted them. He knows now because of the factional bulletproof.
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@Best.Korea
I’m sure he will wait til the other one ends to start this one
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