Lunatic

Should WF die today?

Nobody died eh? I am probably bleeding and this is my last day lol

I am scum.. 

I thought 7k was scum and took a high risk play to get town cred.

Lunatic also scumreads Wylted.

I think we are voting off an important non-investigative. Town PR.

Be careful voting who you vote. I haven't scumread you until this contradiction between you saying you read Wylted as scum and voting 7k.

I made 7k try. I made him stop selfvoting and suiciding.

That's art.

Ok everyone is saying CC. Who or what is CC?

Vote Wylted with me please.

Alright, I’m finally caught up.

Suffice it to say that I buy RM being cop. I in no way buy WyIted’s claim of being a JOAT with a 1X day cop. He’s made up wilder claims before and I just don't buy it. That being said, I still think 7k is the way to go here. Not only is he effectively refusing to participate, so he’s nothing but dead weight in the game to begin with, but he also serves as a test of WyIted’s claim. I think WyIted might be covering for some other role that he wants to use during the NP, just can’t tell whether he’s doing that to further town or scum. I’m willing to shift to WyIted if necessary, but for now I’m going to stick with 7k.

Hello, I'm back. Could everyone update me on what's been going on? Tbh I'm a little confused

Something's wrong here.

Town seems way too strong by what we know so far.

I bet scum have some extra night kill role, because it would be really stupid if they dont.

What post? I think I skipped over it by accident.

If that is true I might have to full claim because I just got a pm with some news as well. Can you explain further?

I mean if he was right about scum both times it kind of stands to reason he would be more confident with it as he progresses, don't you think?

I guess, though as I pointed out earlier, it's not just the attitude that's setting me off. He chose to delete two posts, both of which were responses to me. He also said this:

Rational Madman is in faction 1, and he will kill on odd nights. We need to get him out first.

That's an... oddly specific thing to say he knows, since it doesn't say anywhere in the OP which faction can perform an NK on which night, only that there are two mafia factions and that one of them kills on odd nights and one on even nights. Maybe he somehow misread the OP and thought it defined that. Maybe he just believed that throwing out a specific sus would rally more people to his cause, regardless of accuracy. In either case, he hasn't explained this choice and that's despite my calling him out on it several times. I'm still a little hesitant to push on him because not responding to requests to explain his play has kind of been his MO, but this was pretty galling.

Am I allowed to vote for myself?

Just to prove them wrong.

You will not get a claim out of me.

If I claim, scum will just get me during the night.

Funny that you mention it, as this concern came up in an entirely different context. Much as it is outside the scope of this game, it nonetheless affects it, so I can confirm that it has been looked into and that I have not found evidence of multi accounting from 7k.

VTL 7000series

At this point, I'm willing to put down a vote on 7k to get a full claim. Maybe this is just like WyIted says and 7k just doesn't care about the game, but he's playing it far more fast and loose this time and it comes off as scummy in a distinct way from his previous games.

Since this is a pretty important mechanic that I haven't seen implemented in other games, I'll explain how it works.

Each faction, Faction 1, Faction 2, and town have a factional bulletproof. This means that the first time that one of their members is killed, then that factional bulletproof will be used. However, if a protective role is being used instead, it will take priority, meaning that the factional bulletproof will not be used.

For example:

On N1, Faction 1 shoots town. No one dies, but the factional bulletproof is used. On N2, Faction 2 shoots town. The townie dies.

OR:

On N1, Faction 1 shoots town that is being protected by another townie. No one dies, and the factional bulletproof is not used. On N2, Faction 2 shoots town, and the factional bulletproof is finally used.

I know that this seems quite complicated, but it was the only way I could figure out to balance a game so that scum couldn't achieve parity too quickly and crosskills wouldn't swing the game so dramatically, while also making it so protective roles were still useful.

This post from wylted feels town to me

Eh, its closer to blatant trolling than town.

Its not scummy nor town in my opinion.

Any scum team outing themselves would lose the game, so it would only work if both scums are new and clueless in one team.

Also, if WyIted is one of the scums in one team, it would be most  beneficial to him to try and eliminate the other scum team by telling them to out themselves.

Was he town in those games you mentioned? I haven't played with this individual so some context would be nice. 

He was in the last two games and while I only did a bit of reading into the Wylted mafia game, I was involved in the Indie Games Mafia. In both games, he was town.

He does tend to just pick someone and tunnel them for a while without reasoning (he did so for Pie last game, who actually was scum), so his decision to make RM his target this game is a null tell to me. He also jumped targets and proceeded to do the same thing again in the middle of the DP before saying shit like this after his behavior was called out:

It looks like i'm already dead, and maybe I deserved that, but that doesn't make me the Mafia boss.

Notably, it's a more defeatist post than anything he's posted here so far. A couple of people jumped on the fact that he specifically said he wasn't the "Mafia boss" and there were some concerns with his claim, particularly since he soft-claimed a PR by saying:

My role IS useful, but I can't share it. 

...before just straight up claiming vanilla. That stuck out to me in particular, as did his intransigence when it came to explaining why he said that.

If I vote Wylted or 7kseires rn is looks like I am scummy.

Both are genuinely scummy for what they're doing.

Anybody one the scum teams just want to fess up and help us kill the opposite scum team?

You keep your partner secret if you think it is a high risk play and want to remain you ability to win, but we could help you eliminate the other scum team. So we essentially will lynch somebody we think is scum but not your partner and then you can attempt to vig the other one? Or do the equivalent of a vig?

It's high risk for you but if anybody wants to fess up as scum we can work together to eliminate the other faction and make it a 1 vs 1 game?

Scum are given fakeclaims with videos.

Your video mixup doesn't confirm him as Town btw.

This is toxic as fuck. All other soperate as if 7k doesn't exist for now or he will force inorganic pseudoslips to occur. This is not good pressure and is the kind that lets scum sit quietly as others rip each other apart.

He got lucky twice and this time is wrong, which can be true whether he's scum or not. He's not at all acting how he did as Town btw.

You planning to explain anything about your behavior so far? A post that suggests you know more about scum behavioral restrictions than the OP states and a deleted response to me don’t exactly come off well, and you now have two games in a row where you’ve been scumread early for less.

My character is Black Dragon. even if scum kills me, I will last a day phase until I bleed out. I won't know if I am bleeding, but if there's no posted kill in the night, it's pretty likely they got me.