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Today I decided I am not gonna let myself get stood up by fake friends who talk a big game when you talk to them but literally never show up for you, skip on commitments, promise things and don't follow up on them, act like their schedule is more important than yours and their time is more valuable, etc. Seriously just fuck that. There has to be some sort of equality in a friendship. If one person is acting like their fucking time is so important that the fact you can hang with them for even a brief amount of time, you should be grateful, fuck them. That's a fake friend and you deserve better. Drop them from your life. You will feel much better. Don't let people walk on you.
/endrant
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@DeprecatoryLogistician
Ill try and vote this today
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@Benjamin
@DeprecatoryLogistician
You guys found a topic?
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@RationalMadman
@ComputerNerd
Interesting topic, looking forward to this one
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@RationalMadman
@Benjamin
@ComputerNerd
@DeprecatoryLogistician
We are now in the semi finals!
Current Matchups:
RationalMadman VS ComputerNerd
DeprecatoryLogistician VS Benjamin
Please start communicating your topics, and start your debate within one week! You have until midnight on 2/23/22. Good luck debaters!
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@Mharman
3/4 matchups are conceded… dang
Yeah this was a thing on DDO too, its mostly a r1 thing. I think semi finals will prove to be more interesting debates.
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Debate Status:
David vs RM: Round 2/3
Athias vs ComputerNerd: Round 2/3
IncelChud vs Benjamin: Round 3/3
Tejretics vs DepreactoryLogistician: Round 1/3
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@That2User
I think we are too far in at this point, sorry!
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@RationalMadman
We've established that. What is your point?
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@RationalMadman
So he was up front about me doing the work for it. What's the issue?
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@RationalMadman
Tournament host =/= Tournament mod.
I would rather max spend his time on the behind the scenes stuff he talked about in his campaign. And he is. He has 6 months to do this. Legit a debate tournament was all you promised in your campaign thread so I don't imagine you would be moving mountains right now as president either.
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My impression of zed so far. Only negative opinions and takes on everything, then dips when challenged about it.
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@zedvictor4
What are you expecting to hear from him? Did you see the tournament he posted? Does he need to make weekly check in posts?
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@RationalMadman
If I accept the debate, it means I accept the definitions
Briefly debate why you don't accept the definitions in the first round. When I debated LD in high school this was a big thing we had to do when the pro would set up a definition. We had to be careful they didn't use something that could manipulate the debate in pros favor and clarify why our definition was better. But this was all done during the debate.
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Just say you don't agree with his definitions and provide your own and debate why yours are better.
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@RationalMadman
the deadline was today, currently he has defined objectivity as 'the quality of being objective' which is tautologous. Equally, he has defined free press as 'The freedom of news media outlets to say what they want to say.' when that isn't the case, the free press is ideological, it has an ethos not just a status.
Work it out with him please. There is no insane rush just figure it out. Plus the first round bypass should speed it up when you agree on definitions. I'm not worried about the deadline anymore now that a challenge has been issued. David is clearly here and active. You guys can figure this out like big boys I believe in you.
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@RationalMadman
@David
Please work out your issues and start the debate soon.
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@whiteflame
@Athias
Yeah still not working.
Whiteflame you know whats going on?
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@RationalMadman
I mean if your looking for easy wins over a good natured debate I guess sure lol.
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@Athias
Both are pulling an error for me and it doesn't show under your debates tab on your profile either. Wierd
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@RationalMadman
Well I want to give David a chance to debate. Debate tournaments with bye rounds suck but yeah if he doesn't get online we will have to do what we have to do.
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@David
@Athias
Last day to start your debate or the bye round will go to your opponent!
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See post 29 in the thread. If you guys want to bypass that, its fine.
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@RationalMadman
As this is 2 hours away from EST midnight of Feb 7th midnight... One has to wonder if David will ever meet your deadline or if you will keep extending to benefit him.
you will get a bye round if he isn't responsive.
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I am not sure I could keep up activity wise with my new job. I was struggling to post vote counts in the last game, let alone keep up on what was happening. My new job will be pretty chill in a week or so I think but right now I am still learning everything so it's kind of hard to post while at work.
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@badger
If Max wasn't inactive, I called this entire game D1.
His claim would have vindicated earth too, and caught sui in dp2. huge shame.
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@RationalMadman
Theme split was "The Byrdes vs everyone else" because in the show the Byrdes (while their intentions are innocent) completely destroy the lives of everyone they encounter in the Ozarks.I knew this the moment that Earth's character was town.Not sure why others didn't pick up on it.
Figured it would be a pretty easy theme split to figure out. I am surprised they outright lynched earth from his claim considering there were many other townies with "bad characters" to back that up. Though inactivity from them might have had something to do with that. Max was helen pierce for example, who is just as bad as snell in some ways.
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@Mharman
Again, thank you for putting this game on. I didn’t like everything about it, but I had fun and it was still well designed. It was pretty balanced power role wise despite being compete role madness, which is really hard to do and I am impressed by your game crafting skills.
I appreciate that, thanks for playing and putting a lot of effort into it!
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@badger
Mods need to quietly do away with theme analysis also tbh. It's a tricky one because it gets people talking, but I don't know what sort of game some people are playing at all. But mostly I just hate the thought of rolling mafia and having to read a bunch of shit and scramble for a decent fake claim.Theme analysis is a crutch. People are entirely readable and fun to read.
I actually agree with you there, but theres only a few people who actually agree with you and me on that note. Games with theme analysis tend to be a lot more active and garner more interest unfortunately. Games I've done where theme didn't matter tend to flop activity wise.
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@Mikal
but town was likely to push pie over supa after that post.
How do you know? Please substantiate this.
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Mafia wins and third party wins!! (Mikal, Sui_Generis, iLikePie5, greyparrot)
Theme split was "The Byrdes vs everyone else" because in the show the Byrdes (while their intentions are innocent) completely destroy the lives of everyone they encounter in the Ozarks.
Roles: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cc7jvcdj1xiKFotqFsHysm3biffQ279G4PNDik1zeQA/edit?usp=sharing
Night Actions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dK2PlGjjFy36ljqQfoy89ZzVAF5w_uOqcih2PdjklZM/edit?usp=sharing
Thankyou guys for the activity and it looked like a pretty interesting game. Mharman put in a lot of work, effort, research. May have missed the mark, but it's a learning experience. Been there.
I will adamantly defend the fact that my statement did not "confirm" supa and will happily accept a debate to back this up. Mafia was only salty because of bias. But I would have 100% said the same thing if I made a mod mistake and the scum was getting lynched for "lying about results" when it was really the mods fault. Mods should own up to mistakes, and I would be highly dis-appointed if I played in a game where a mod didn't. Regardless I don't think that would have honestly effected your argument of supa that much. There was behavioral analysis too I hope, otherwise your basically saying the only reason to lynch supa was based on a mod mistake, which is borderline admitting you had no grounds to lynch supa. We both know this isn't the case so basically stop being salty little b1tches, mikal and pie. ;-) Especially when you guys won as dominantly as you did. Good job to mafia, and GG's to town. Better luck next time townies.
Quite a few of you were on the right track even early on (I am looking at you badger) but didn't quite have the pull to pull off some of the lynches.
I don't really like doing MVP's because people tend to care more about the results then the process. But I liked the way Mharman pieced things together even if he was wrong sometimes. You can't always be right, but he did his due dilligence and I think investigated things to the best of his ability. And badger had some great gut reads and stuck to them. So town MVP's were probably those two. Mharman was incredibly universally town read, so even if his reads were wrong he did play incredibly town like, so in that he did his job lol.
Mafia did really well, particularly pie and Mikal. Really good communication and coordination with stuff, Sui made some really good fake claims that seemed to work pretty well.
Computernerds first time as cop, but yeah obviously claiming detective roy petty dp1 was horrible for him, especially since it basically nullified mharmans role as an advocate for him. Mharmans role was designed as way for the cop to be able to avoid claiming and get away with it because mharman could have been in his back pocket to defend him and confirm him at any time. Also computernerd copped badger after badger already claimed to innocent child... That was painful. Didn't matter because he was roleblocked but yeah..
Only other critique I have is maybe whiteflame should have forfeited his role after he used it to confirm himself. Mafia realized really quickly the value of being able to redirect that. I guess he couldn't have known there was a redirector, but yeah still kind of sucked. It would have sucked anyway though since he targetted pie and pie was scum as well, so I guess it wouldn't have mattered though since sui would have been lynched DP3.
GG's all.
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Official Vote Count
VNTL- 4/5- mikal, ilikepie5, mharman, whiteflame
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I will admit to making mistakes as a mod this game, I have to be careful how I say things obviously so as not to confirm people's claims. I'll leave it up to your interpretation whether I am talking about vote counts, or night actions but yeah I have a new job that has a lot more responsibility so mod actions have been hastier. I apologize for any mistakes made and will try to avoid them in the future.
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@ComputerNerd
We have decided on a topic:THBT: The majority of Marvel and DC's superheroes are based off of Pagan GodsAthias needs one more day to think about stipulations
Awesome guys thanks
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Official Vote Count
mikal- 1/5- mikal
supadudz-1/5 iLikePie5
iLikePie5- 2/5- Whiteflame, supadudz
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Dead Players:
Earth- Jacob Snell- JOAT (Vigilante, Forensic Investigator, Bulletproof) - Town (Lynched DP1)
DD- Ruth Langmore- Bodyguard (Killed NP1)
Airmax- Helen Pierce- Babysitter (Lynched DP2)
Badger- You are Zeke Young! Despite being brutally carved out of your mother by Darlene and her henchmen, you survived. You bounce around caretakers based on the motives of the characters in the show several times. You are too young to understand much of what is going on now but will probably grow up with a messed up life. You are the innocent child. Your affiliation will be publicly revealed if you are still alive at the beginning of day phase 3. You win with the town. (Killed NP2)
Living Players:
Mikal
iLikePie5
Supadudz
ComputerNerd
Suigeneris
Mharman
Whiteflame
Greyparrot
With 8 players alived, it takes 5 votes to cause a lynch.
Day Phase 3 will end in 72 hours, or on Friday, February 5th, at 6PM EST.
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