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1. Mikal
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@Mharman
How complex will this game be?
It's just a standard mafia game, not sure what you mean by complex, but I don't think it will be complex.
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@sui_generis
I was NOT going to play but Ozark?? one questionwill there be spoilers for anything past s3e3if not, I'm in
No hard spoilers, and what spoily stuff there is is all rather vague anyway
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Creepy how my first time seeing an ad for this show pop up on Netflix was less than 10 minutes before opening DART and seeing this thread.
Yeah the final season just came out so its probably being advertised a lot right now haha
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@ILikePie5
I’ve heard it’s good and it always pops up on my Netflix reccomended but haven’t seen any of it
Yeah I watched the first episode in 2017, decided it was too depressing and never tried it again until a couple months ago. Then I actually gave it a chance and was hooked.
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@Mikal
Blizzard waifus vs else.
Damn seems so obvious in hindsight
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Theme is based on the popular show Ozark. Haven't designed the game yet but will work on it tonight and will give more details later. Please sign up!
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I'll post sign up for a mafia game tonight when I'm at work.
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@Mikal
Would any of the protection roles have protected against wylteds bomb pgo thing?
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@Wylted
Go ahead and post the end game. I think atleast 3 of them would have visited before pie was an asshole and the lynch on whiteflame was succesful
I mean you were selling the "visit me" thing pretty hard, I probably wouldnt have visited you regardless lol
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Wow. Like Wow.
Max basically confirmed me. Pie is confirmed.
I tracked sui to myself last night. We should probably figure out what he did but considering I am not dead or role blocked I guess that looks good for him.
Earth, DD and wylted are main POE here but at this point I think we all kind of know this is wylted.
I would still like everyone to full claim though so we can cross our T's and dot our I's.
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@Wylted
You are behaving like shit this game. It started when you had a town read on GP
You've got to be trolling. You don't actually think GP was scum do you?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I assume you and I are thinking the same thing here. I considered the "maybe worded other PMS differently" as well but since you seem to have noticed the same thing I will assume your PM has it too, plus look at all the dead guy PMs.
Yep whiteflame is definitely not like the others if what he said was true.
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Nothing particularly convincing in the recent posts.
I will send in my vote this evening. I wanna hear suis and Max's thoughts before we close today out.
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@whiteflame
Sorry, must've missed this. It says Breath of Life and then describes the Doctor role without saying it.
Ah I hate to say it but that is actually sus. Maybe mikal worded PM's differently from each other though, but what you described is almost right according to my own PM with one major detail missing. The fact that this was so close but different in a very dinstinct might have been the nail in the coffin for me :/
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@oromagi
I voted against the notion of a DART President in the September MEEP. Part of my concern was that in prior models of the office on DDO the annual elections created a primary source of drama and conflict. I agree with you that the position is entirely unwanted and unnecessary.
Drama and conflict = Activity
The more people see conflict and opine, the more lively the site. The more people we bring who might have an interest in debate, mafia, or even social interaction here.
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@Intelligence_06
To be fair, I am happy that I can debate people here, critique people from different angles and get smarter every debate at the same time winning and gaining virtual points. I don't care who wins, as long as they don't ban me for just normally debating.
Election has been over for a week, Airmax is the new president.
Why do many people care substantially about who wins an election on a small website?
Many people want to see an upsurge in activity. The role of a presidency is a new way to gain interest and activity on the website. Candidates like Max and 3RU7AL offered platforms demonstrating plans to advertise and outreach to different social media websites. Also plans like increased debates, voting, revival of forum games like mafia, etc are all different reasons people are excited about the presidency. The president will also get a hand in moderation decisions and an adivory role, meaning we can start heading towards a less strict, more laissez-faire style of moderation over time with a guy like Airmax as president.
I am not criticizing people who care, I am just curious. Your experiences won't change by very much, honestly, and cyberbullying is borderline neglectable on this site(I have yet to hear someone leaving this site because they had been bullied intentionally, and no, willingly-accepting debates then leave with a loss does not count).
Cyberbullying is an issue to like 1% of the sites population. I tend to only hear accusations of bullying from one very loud individual, but most of the level headed individuals don't seem to think there is intense cyber bullying here.
I mean, even without a president, the site is fine. At least the voting system is not broken and the mods are welcome to ban any ad bots. Why do we care so much about who gets to be the president on this site?
Without a president, you are right. The site is just "fine". With a presidency however, the site can be so much better. For example, you seem to note a buzz of activity around the election. Prior to that, the last post in the main page of the forums here was 25 days old. The presidency kicked the site alive, and we have plans to get this site going even further. Most people just want to see this site alive and buzzing with activity.
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@airmax1227
What do you think of the current mess we are in?
We have a guilty and CC one whiteflame. The guilty can be explained by Wylted's result, which simultaneously explains warren's death. The CC is a little harder to find an answer for unless we are okay with 2 doctor abilties existing, alongside supas Jailkeep and bulletproof. Do you think we should be lynching between the CC's? How unlikely do you think mike was to put in two doctor roles? If Whiteflame is guilty what explains warrens death?
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@sui_generis
Your input and claim are valuable, if you can give some.
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My two town reads are as follows:
Airmax- based on something that happened last night. Not confirmation, but definitely looks good.
DD/ComputerNerd- Based partially on the claim and the fact that Computernerd basically copy pasted his description more or less giving away the role. Also DD wasn't seemingly present for this, it appears more of a noob town slip. And partially off of DD confusing me with earth in post 118, I expect mafia to be more hyperaware of what's going on.
The remaining scum are between Wylted, pie, whiteflame, earth and sui.
There is a dynamic here where wylted and white flame are scum, and a dynamic and where pie and earth are scum, though the latter makes less sense to me, I have to be at least open to the possibility. More likely, the combo is something different entirely. Sui could play a part in this too, but he isn't active enough to help provide the answers.
I want to put my focus on him for now and worry about the rest when we are closer to day phase end.
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Greyparrot- Lucy (Kaede)- (Elfen Lied)- 1x hunter- Mafia?
Supadudz- Lucy Heartfilia- (Fairy Tail)- JOAT (Roleblock, Jailkeep, Hider, BP) -Town
Warren- Sarah Kerrigan- (Starcraft)- Vote hider/ Silencer- Mafia
Living Players
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Pie- Caitlyn Kirraman- (League of Legends)- Cop (Investigated whiteflame guilty np1) (frozen
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Whiteflame- Alexstrasza - (Warcraft) - Doctor (protected pie np1)
Earth- Sakura Haruno- (Naruto) - Doctor (protected wylted np1)
Wylted- Rias Gremory- (Highschool DxD) JOAT (passive that tells people he’s innocent when visited if activated, 1 way bus-driver, and ability to give someone a random ability)
Character Claims
Lunatic - Yuno Gasai- (Future Diary)- has information that suggests max is likely town
Dd/computer- Aerith Gainsborough- (Frozen Solid)
Max- Asuna Yuuki
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Sui
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Hi guys. Looks like we have a counter claim on whiteflame as well as a guilty result. I am guessing from the OP and events last day phase there was likely two scum teams, which was probably why whiteflame was super okay lynching Greyparrot. Maybe 2 v 2 v 7?Reading through the DP and making points as I go so sorry if this has been addressed, but read this from warrens PM:You win with the mafia. If your partners die, you will assume the role of night killing.Based on this I think there is just one scum team and warren had a kind of 'traitor' role (i.e. scum but not in the PM).
I am not really convinced there is two scum teams, it was an opening day phase theory but I kind of shrugged that one off.
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@whiteflame
" I’m sure your result will lead to my lynch regardless of what I say."
"After Pie's result, I knew I would be on the chopping block and it looks like that hasn't changed substantially."
I am trying to mitigate as much harm as possible here, but if you are lynched I want to say that I explored every possibility with you in terms of finding you innocent. Do you personally find statements like the above seemingly "giving" up like I do? If you are the town doctor don't you think you should be fighting tooth and nail here for your life? I get that you were guiltied but Wylted's action seems to explain this. Also the CC argument has some merit to it, but you seemingly giving up at every turn kind of makes it seem like you saw that as your death sentence and kind of accepted it. The first qoute even happened before that.
Can you point to a time where you as town, gave up pretty easily when you were being discussed as a lynch target?
It seemed earlier neither of us could come up with a reason why warren is dead, so the case for you being town kind of is impacted by that along with the fact that you seemingly have suspicion of wylted.
What do you think is the best course of action? I am asking you as if you are a fellow townie. Maybe if you can provide another lead, we can deter this conversation from your lynch. If you succumb to it, there won't be much I can do and if anything it will only make you look worse to me.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Having a doctor, a jailkeeper, and a bulletproof is very different than having a doctor and a doctor.
It's a mikal game and he can be a bit crazy as a mod sometimes. But would you say it's also unlikely for mafia to havea roleblocker since supa had a role blocker? Who arbitrarily decides when one of the same roles is sketchy and other times when it isn't sketchy? It's something to take note of too. But we still don't have another explanation for warrens death do we?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If the majority of players decide they want to vote off WF this DP would you do vote WF in your PM?
Yes, I am not actually entirely opposed to lynching whiteflame either. All I am trying to do is open discussion up and weigh all our options. I planned on trying out some theme analysis tonight at work, but it's been busier than usual. It's starting to calm down though.
As I said to pie I can see reason to lynch Whiteflame, specifically in that he seems to be accepting his fate a little too easy if he actually is a town doctor. If he does flip innocent I will probably chastise him for this behavior in the endgame, but I don't currently like lynching someone when there are multiple claimed results that could explain what happened, and 0 other claimed results for why a mafioso is dead. If whiteflame is town here I feel like we learned very little from his death that we hypothetically didn't already know. That's my only complaint with it.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Having a doctor and a bulletproof is different than having a doctor and a doctor.
What about Jailkeeper? Supa had one of those too. And a roleblocker. Technically 3 protective roles.
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@ILikePie5
Which can be explained by wylteds role.Assuming he’s telling the truth, which we have no reason to do.
"No reason to do" ??
You mean no reason to believe he is? Yeah we do. It explains warrens death. The other plausble explanations are only theories, we actually have a player that is confirming how this went down though, and if we mislynch and act surprised if he flips town I feel like we don't accomplish much.
Discounting that there was already BP and discussion about the potential for multiple night kills. Also discounting any other reasons he may have had to have CC'ed as mafia.1x activated Bulletproof, which is weak imo. Also the lynch today is between Earth and Whiteflame. I’ve explained why Whiteflame is likelier to be scum.
Bulletproof isn't weak, and he also had a jailkeeper keep in mind. You could make an argument that even a doctor on top of those is OP but then we don't know the balance of the game and we've been down this road before and have been wrong.
Starcraft / warcraft are not the same universe, also they were given a fake claim.This ignores all of my post about the frozen to the touch. I know they’re different universes. But there’s only one where all the stars line up. Warcraft (WF’s world) has this Frozen Touch ability. Coincidence?
Could be, but as WF also pointed out there are multiple games that have freeze mechanics. I am not against believing that he is scum, but we still don't know why warren died and I think we are jumping the gun here by not exploring different options. The more time I spend having to debate with you why this lynch isn't guaranteed, the more you pull away from my time to being able to do that as well so let's no go down this road. I am not 100% opposed to lynching whiteflame, but I want some behavioral analysis to go with it if that is what we do. For example, one thing that might encourage me to believe whiteflame is scum is how eager he is to give up here. He has said multiple times that he thinks he is the lynch and seems indifferent about it. I could take that as him giving up because he feels he is already screwed based on the CC.
A dragon with a humanoid form. Thats kind of a stretch to say it stands out.None of the other characters to my knowledge can switch forms like that.
Horrible argument, these are completely different characters from completely different universes, they all have one trait you could argue another doesn't have. A more convincing argument would be to find similarities with a known mafias flipped character like warrens. We know there is a theme split, do you have an idea what that split is? My character is kind of a psycho, does that mean all characters who arent psycho aren't town? See the problem with that argument lol?
And if he is town all we learned is that wylted is town, which could have and should have already been assumed.I disagree. Wylted should not be assumed as town by any means. His affiliation will only be clear after lynching Whiteflame.
No one's affiliation is clear. That is backwards thinking. You not taking his results for granted is the same as us not taking your cop results for granted because "we should not assume you are town by any means". If whiteflame is lynched innocent, its going to be a very hollow lynch.
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@Earth
Mmm. Still, if WF is town, we have 2 docs.
Yep, and supas bulletproof, and his jailkeeper, whats the point? There is already enough protective roles with supa alone for me to question the existence of another doc let alone two.
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@ILikePie5
1.) He has been investigated guilty by me
Which can be explained by wylteds role.
2.) There’s no reason for Earth to CC here even with 2 mafia
Discounting that there was already BP and discussion about the potential for multiple night kills. Also discounting any other reasons he may have had to have CC'ed as mafia.
3.) His game universe has a character with the exact same ability that causes the frozen status me/hydra has. It’s easy to claim another waifu in your universe as a scum member.
Starcraft / warcraft are not the same universe, also they were given a fake claim.
4.) His character’s main form is a Dragon, which doesn’t fit with everyone else’s character
A dragon with a humanoid form. Thats kind of a stretch to say it stands out.
5.) If WF flips Guilty, then Wylted must be guilty, especially if WF flips as Jaina because I could only get that effect if I visited him and DD could get it only if WF visited him since both involve a “touch.”
And if he is town all we learned is that wylted is town, which could have and should have already been assumed.
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@Earth
Because I forgot. I haven't sent any votes yet. Can you explain why you think WF is town?
Because Wylted role explains warrens death and the guilty
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@Earth
you realize votes dont count in the day phase and they are also irreversible once sent in PMs right? why are you throwing yours away so casually?
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Why are we still talking about lynching whiteflame? whats the logic?
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Greyparrot- Lucy (Kaede)- (Elfen Lied)- 1x hunter- Mafia?
Supadudz- Lucy Heartfilia- (Fairy Tail)- JOAT (Roleblock, Jailkeep, Hider, BP) -Town
Warren- Sarah Kerrigan- (Starcraft)- Vote hider/ Silencer- Mafia
Living Players
Full Claims
Pie- Caitlyn Kirraman- (League of Legends)- Cop (Investigated whiteflame guilty np1) (frozen
solid)
Whiteflame- Alexstrasza - (Warcraft) - Doctor (protected pie np1)
Earth- Sakura Haruno- (Naruto) - Doctor (protected wylted np1)
Wylted- Rias Gremory- (Highschool DxD) JOAT (passive that tells people he’s innocent when visited if activated, 1 way bus-driver, and ability to give someone a random ability)
Character Claims
Lunatic - Yuno Gasai- (Future Diary)- has information that suggests max is likely town
Dd/computer- Aerith Gainsborough- (Frozen Solid)
Unclaimed
Sui
Max
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@ComputerNerd
Thanks for the character claim. While that looks good for you townie wise, I am not sure what the mods rules on copy and pasting descriptions are and I worry you might get penalized if that was copy pasted. Also that may have tipped mafia off to what your role is. Hope that's not the case.
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@whiteflame
Yeah, Warren's death is peculiar. I can't say that it's obvious why he died, but Wylted's ability could explain why. It's possible that there's a Vig who hasn't spoken up yet, and that scum targeted someone who was protected or just didn't use their NK for some reason. Max suggested the possibility of two separate scum teams, which would also make sense of it, though my experience with that kind of setup is one where there is a Lone Wolf and a separate pair of scum who have the NK. If that was true, I would have expected to see Warren's flip include the Lone Wolf somewhere, but it doesn't. So I don't have a solid explanation for you, since all of these are somewhat contrived, but they would all make some sense of what happened.
I've racked my brain about possible ways we could be being manipulated here, and I keep reverting to this is most likely the simplest answer that wylted is telling the truth. I have even run through some possibilities where pie and wylted are a scum team and that whole argument about when they recieved the PM dp1 was a fake to put distance between them. Still not entirely convinced that isn't the case, but pie/wylted scum team could make sense of things. But I don't think I could make a convincing case out of that.
I'm still thinking this one through, though with three characters unclaimed, it will be difficult to figure out.
Probably best to wait out the remaining characters then. Thanks for the input.
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@whiteflame
I know some anime, unfortunately not a lot about this type of anime. From the character list I assembled, do you have any working theories on theme split? My grand spectacular theme split I had in mind was "Video game VS tv show anime" until I properly looked at the title of the day phase lol. Now I feel a bit idiotic. But I know you watch a bit of anime, so since supa is gone, your kind of our expert here. Any thoughts?
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@whiteflame
A framer is always an outside possibility, as is a flavored cop, though I think we'd be starting to get into even more complicated territory if we expand to all possible options for how this shook out the way it did. Generally, I'm wary of explanations that involve the stars aligning in a very particular way (with multiple parties acting on the same person, resulting in convoluted information), though I've been burned before like in our live game a few weeks ago when we found out that Danielle had been Tracked to the target of the NK.
Even if you are to throw the "stars aligned" argument back at me, you still don't really have an answer for the "why did warren die" thing though. That combined with the results, makes all those things being "conviences" a lot more like caused variables. If you wanted to argue that there was some mafia manipulation here with warrens death (maybe they killed warren to set all this up? Would the mod even allow that?) I could maybe buy into that as an argument. I've been running through some different theories myself, but most of them are falling flat or seeming too unlikely that I am dismissing them. At the end of the day though, the way things have played out definitely seem to indicate that either you are both scum pulling some grand scheme together, or he is town and telling the truth therefor making you town as well. Again, as a naive townie, I am willing to admit that there could be mafia manipulation here that I am not seeing prima facia, if you have any theories I am not seeing I emplore you to share them with me.
It shows her standing in her human form, skimpy outfit that leaves little to the imagination (largely just a metallic bikini), pauldrons (shoulder armor), a red cloak and red gauntlets. She's got big horns set in a sort of jeweled headpiece. She's carrying a necklace in one hand and is suggestively smiling with her tongue partially out of her mouth. There's an image of her dragon form behind her and flames around her silhouette.
Interesting. When I looked up your character the wowpedia link was kind of vague about your characters human form. "Her humanoid form is that of a high elf."
The couple pictures of her human form seem a lot less playful than what you describe. I suppose mikal could have supplied some fan art for yours though.
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