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my guess on the theme split is completely wrong btw, dismiss what I said about cracking the game lol. Still would like to see the remaining claims though.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
Did you get a screenshot of your character? If so can you describe said screenshot?
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If my theme split theory is correct this game could be an easy solve. But things are never usually that easy. I won't hold too much hope on it being that easy but so far my theory is in line with events that have occurred. And if correct it indicates the remaining mafia players. I have some behavioral analysis to go along with it as well but it won't be like exntensive in depth analysis.
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I will be horrible with this theme. The only Waifu I know about is Earth's character Sakura, because I watched a couple seasons of naruto a few years back. Honestly didn't know Mike watched that one.
It's probably worth doing a little theme analysis here, but I am not going to go crazy on this unless the last few claims reveal something substantial. If this is a vague theme split there's no way I care enough to try and figure it out.
I have an idea of what the theme split is but would like to get the rest of the character claims out just before delving into any theories. I know mafia has a fake claim, so I will take getting these last few with a grain of salt.
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Graveyard
Greyparrot- Lucy (Kaede)- (Elfen Lied)- 1x hunter- Mafia?
Supadudz- Lucy Heartfilia- (Fairy Tail)- JOAT (Roleblock, Jailkeep, Hider, BP) -Town
Warren- Sarah Kerrigan- (Starcraft)- Vote hider/ Silencer- Mafia
Living Players
Full Claims
Pie- Caitlyn Kirraman- (League of Legends)- Cop (Investigated whiteflame guilty np1) - (frozen
solid)
Whiteflame- Alexstrasza - (Warcraft) - Doctor (protected pie np1)
Earth- Sakura Haruno- (Naruto) - Doctor (protected wylted np1)
Wylted- Rias Gremory- (Highschool DxD) JOAT (passive that tells people he’s innocent when visited if activated, 1 way bus-driver, and ability to give someone a random ability)
Character Claims
Lunatic - Yuno Gasai- (Future Diary)- has information that looks good for max, not neccesarily town confirmation though.
Unclaimed
Dd/computer- (Frozen Solid message)
Sui
Max
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@airmax1227
Lets get a character claim from you too for good measure, maybe we can figure out a theme split.
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@sui_generis
@Discipulus_Didicit
Can we get a character claim?
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@whiteflame
As for what Wylted said he did during the last NP, I've always been wary of claims of redirection or those those that similarly mess with night actions by transferring them onto someone else. They're difficult to validate. It might explain some of what happened during the NP, but whether it "vindicates" me, as you say, is up to everyone. Especially given that this is on the table, it's pretty clear that a lot happened during the NP, and I don't think that my trying to explain it is going to get us anywhere.
His claim definitely vindicates you because it solves two questions: Why did Warren die, and why you were found guilty by a cop if you are actually town. There could be the possibility of a framer if the stars aligned there, I guess, but what was wylted's motivation in claiming what he did? I am leaning towards buying it right now, and your half skepticism towards wylted makes the plausibility of you two working together to save the mafia's skin as a last ditch effort less plausible to me. Or it is good acting, but it seems innocent enough.
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@Wylted
I don't think Earth would CC as scum, so yes. I think your theory of 2 scum teams makes sense as well. Perhaps one NK went through and the other did not.
If the other did not go through it could be because you were protected by earth.
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Idk but wylted being town makes the most sense for what happened last night unless there is a tailor.
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@ILikePie5
I disagree. There’s no reason for Mikal to write that if they were all in a PM together.
Nah I've seen plenty of mods give the decision of night kill to one player though usually its a godfather
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@ILikePie5
I'm not 100% sure on a tailor just something to think about.
It's not out of the question that the mafia is whiteflame and wytled, wylted outting this result to save whiteflames butt since your guilty had him dead to rights in combo with earth's doctor claim. If they chose the character claim they probably thought doc was safe since supa flipped BP.
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@ILikePie5
I thinking your looking too for into the lone wolf theory. The other possibility is that none of the mafia are in a pm together or there was a tailor. Or maybe he was just the one who had the final say with the night kill which is why it was worded that way.
Also I agree Grey's motives seemed sincere especially with him killing supa at the end who was being Sussed by the group.
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@ILikePie5
Warren’s flip implies that there’s only one mafia faction with likely 3 total scum.
You think mafia might have a tailor?
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@ILikePie5
Ya but it doesn’t say Rook’s actions will target the other player. For it to be a Bud Driver the opposite has to be true. With the way it’s written, it only works one way.
Okay so it's a one way bus driver. I don't think that changes the analysis though.
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@zedvictor4
???
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@Mharman
I think debate tournaments or even just a single debate organized by a third party utilizing topics of minimal but not zero importance would be great. I would love to see debates around the topic of things people are unironically passionate about but not polarizing like modern politics or religion. Maybe something like “Who is the best General in Military History?” or “What is the best gear setup in Minecraft?”
I prefer debates like what you mention as well mharman.
For the new debate tournament we will start later this week, we are going to focus on social issues topics, current events, high school debate resolutions, bunch of exciting stuff we can use to get people googling us and wanting to participate in the discussion. You should sign up when the tournament comes up soon. Me and max are just finalizing the last details.
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@Wylted
Do you believe both doctor claims if you think whiteflame is town?I don't think Earth would CC as scum, so yes.
"I felt like it is the same thing as a doctor essentially."
With supas role and you feeling like you are a doctor, that makes like 4 protective roles. Wyt?
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@Wylted
I had a good feeling about whiteflame and was null on Warren, so I swapped.
Can you elaborate on what you mean here and explain in detail what you were hoping to accomplish with this?
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@ILikePie5
That’s not what the description sounded to me. But either way, it still means my guilty on WF is true.
"Targets a given player to be assigned as your Rook and select another player. Any actions of that other player will target the Rook instead."
"The Bus Driver is a role that can choose to switch two players each night. Thus, any night action performed on a switched player will affect the other player targeted by the Bus Driver."
Same thing as a bus driver. Which means (if wylted is telling the truth and you are telling the truth) that your guilty was actually on warren. For this to be true, we'd have to buy that there are 2 doctors, or earth is lying and CC'ed to paint whiteflame guilty (really no incentive for that until a LYLO situation), plus supa's bulletproof netting 3 protective roles. If wylted is telling the truth it also means that Mafia targeted whiteflame for the kill instead of warren.
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@whiteflame
Interested to hear your thoughts after being counter claimed and "vindicated" by wylted
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@Wylted
Why did you swap whiteflame and Warren?
Do you believe both doctor claims if you think whiteflame is town?
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@ILikePie5
The casting ability seems closer to a bus driver than a redirector.
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Hi guys. Looks like we have a counter claim on whiteflame as well as a guilty result. I am guessing from the OP and events last day phase there was likely two scum teams, which was probably why whiteflame was super okay lynching Greyparrot. Maybe 2 v 2 v 7?
I am not claiming at this time, and don't really want to elaborate. I am not claiming a power role or anything, but I received information that indicates or points towards airmax likely being town though this isn't confirmation by any means. There is enough information on the table at this time that I think this information is more likely to be helpful than not and I would rather get it out there in the event that I die. This should give us a lot of POE to work with for the next day phase combined with the night kill.
Sui, DD, wylted are in my POE at this time.
It is interesting supa as town had two role block abilities and a bulletproof though, in addition to the doctor. If there is two scum teams it might explain multiple protection roles. Could be a mechanic where mafia are able to night kill every other night or something. Or the other mafia team targeted wylted, who earth claimed to have protected. I suppose there is a lot of unknown still but we have a lot of information to work with. I will be active tonight during my grave shift though. After next week my activity will be better when I start my new job on a day shift.
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@zedvictor4
I don't vote biased like that
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@warren42
Yeah I will link them later. Too high now. And yeah just watched the fights it was crazy
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@warren42
I completely disagree. GP basically has a hunter type role, so being afraid to lynch him is scummy to me since he can only shoot someone on his lynch.Mafia are naturally more afraid to die.
It's not about being afraid to die. It's about knowing GP will happily fuck town over for the chaos. He has done it multiple times before. Most recent and notably in the stand dp1. Also my first experience of GP in mafia was him baiting people to lynch him as bomb. Oh and he did it in pressf1forrespects Christmas mafia. GP has frequently had bomb roles, frequently gets his bluff called, and frequently screws the town over for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mikael purposeful gave him a role like that to troll.
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I am like 2 or 3 pages behind but I think we shouldnt call GPs bluff. Anyone suggesting we should I will be sus of next dp if he is lynched. I tend to be less active during my weekends but ill be very active after tomorrow.
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@ILikePie5
Any thoughts?
Not caught up on recent developments.
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@Wylted
If ive learned anything from GP, its that if he is flaunting a death activate role, he is not bluffing. It usually hurts town 100%.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What is this about a replacement? Am I missing something?
computer is suppose to be in it but if i havnt heard back in a hour or so I'll add you in his place. Want to start it fast cus new job next week and the first dp is prob going to be slammed
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Yep you are right RM we're all the embodiment of Satan. Everyone who isn't you and dares ever speak against you is just evil. Pure raw unfiltered evil.
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Oh nvm that was DD.
Vtl Dd for mod psyche reasons.
Dd is someone I would expect to he super responsive on discord and probably who he got to replace.
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Did Sui replace computernerd? If so I'm flip flopping from town confirmed to mafia. Because I think the reason Mikael didn't want to start is because he needed the other scum to go into discord and computer need was not responding.
I'm not buying that he delayed the game he was excited about because everyone didn't confirm
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@Wylted
I had mine already when he first announced the game. So maybe my theory that Sui is town is wrong lol
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I doubt what Mikael said is true and I think he sent out the roles already and Sui is confirmed town in my eyes
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@Mikal
I'm still of the mind if we push you enough , you eventually are forced to confront yourself
Maybe before but I am done trying. He wants to paint us as hitler and stalin fvcking let him. He is a manipulative sh1t bag. I am done trying to excuse this on his autism. He knows wtf he is doing right now, and its why he is cherry picking responses so he never has to answer anything logical despite walls of text trying to reason with him. He is lower than low. He has no humility. Fvck RM.
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@Mikal
If he admits he supports what you and Lunatic did to me,
This guy is so pathetic. He is hopeless mikal. The fact that he still denies any culpability and plays victim here shows that he is a complete sociopath. I am done trying to reason with RM. He wants to accuse us of being bullying pr1cks who don't try to understand or reason with him ever that is what he will get. He can get fvcked for all I care. He knows what he is doing. He is a lying manipulative POS scumbag filth of a human being.
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That line is used to justify survival, not broaching friendships.Uniquely for me, my survival on this website actually can be dependent on it in this case.
Your survival on this website isn't hinged to any of us. The only way you would leave this website is if you quit it.
You being acknowledged doesn't make this any less of a call out thread. And you keep talking about how corrupt he is and stuff. Be honest.Then shut it down and tell the mods to ban me if you want to. You said you wouldn't. However, he needs to himself say he wants it done as he's the one being called out.
I'd rather shut you down argumentatively than with a ban. But then you just cherry pick what to respond to so it meets your agenda.
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@RationalMadman
You being acknowledged doesn't make this any less of a call out thread. And you keep talking about how corrupt he is and stuff. Be honest.
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"I am not here to sabotage Max"
Literally makes a thread calling out max, even has the thread with tagline "callout".
What a meme.
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