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@ILikePie5
6 people including me have not claimed yet. And even some of the people who have claimed haven’t said their opinion on a mass claim. Once you can get the votes I’ll happily sign onto your mass claim.
You just said you weren't going to claim today. So are you taking that statement back if the majority is okay with the mass claim?
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@ILikePie5
Behavioral reads as you know literally dissipate into nothing as soon as the person claims something that isn’t vanilla. We have two claims worth pursuing right now in the Miller and Enabler.
You and your policy lynching mentality is extremely frustrating, and shared by no one else. How often do millers turn out to be fake claiming? From my experience, very rarely. I am one of the few people ballsiest enough to try it, and last time I did it didn't work out for me. It's just extremely lazy play. You aren't explaining how the enabler claim is scummy. The miller and the enabler are just scummy for the sake of being scummy I guess? Good argument bro.
You must love it even more when everyone has claimed right?
Nope, like I said I love it when there are 3-4 non mafia claims that I can use to POE the remaining power roles. Scum already know that 2-3 (depending on balance) roles are them, add 3-4 characters you can pretty much deduce what characters are power roles out of those claims, and if none are you just hit between the rest of the list. You judge behavior in between that (who is acting like a cop, or looks like they are eager to get into the night phase for results etc etc) its easy to sus out who the power roles are. Might as well force mafia to lock in their character claims at the same time and work with POE, since scum have a much easier time POEing this.
The irony in this man. Your plan gives all the characters and likely roles on a silver platter to scum.
Blame yourself for being unable to scum hunt without pressuring policy lynches based on weak arguments for millers and enablers, and forcing claims out of people based on prior games. That's how you expose cops, etc. I am just saying if your gonna fuck town over at leasy try to fuck mafia over too.
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@whiteflame
Especially when it comes to themes that I know very well, I tend to favor mass claiming because I tend to get the most from theme analysis. That would probably be the case here as well if I didn't notice two missing characters on the list that will most definitely give away their roles:Nurse JoyOfficer JennyI don't think I need to explain what roles these characters are likely to have, or why it's important to keep them under wraps for the time being. Especially if we're buying the Professor Oak claim, we already have someone with a target on their back and we do not know how many protective roles we have. It would be one thing if we already had one of these character claims or if we were down to a small enough number of unclaimed people that we could already guess who was who, but I'm personally not on board with outing two of the most important PRs in this game.I'm satisfied with the number of claims we have.unvote
In the case of those two characters I ecourage town to fake fake claim smartly.
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@ILikePie5
Well there’s your vote. I don’t plan on claiming and I don’t think anyone else who hasn’t claimed yet should.
Oh lord, so your gonna be that fucking guy. Let's just get this the fuck over with.
vtl pie
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@ILikePie5
There were 3 characters before you claimed. There is literally no point to popcorn cause it does virtually nothing. All it does is reveal who town power roles are, which are probably main characters
And a 4th was being pressured, with earth. Also evil genius would have likely been pressured due to inactivity. Too many claims. I would rather no one claim, but since you and other shitty players here rely on them so often for analysis because you can't behavioral read for shit, let's just get them out now and try to hurt mafia. When I am scum I absolutely fvcking love when there is like 3-4 claims dp1, gives me so much POE to work with. In the last game me and poly figured out the power roles relatively quickly because of this. We left wylted alive only because we wanted to try and mess with his results, but I called him as cop dp1, and knew he was cop for a fact dp2. The more POE you give scum to work with by pressuring people for claims, the more of an advantage you give them.
I didn’t see you scum reading anyone for behavior which is rather odd. What do you have against pressuring for claims. Disc SOP claimed and Bron claimed for no reason cause he’s a noob.
I explained above my problem with pressuring with claims, but yeah people on Dart rely on them too heavily and stop at a point where it is generally inconvienent for town. Regardless of why people claimed, or fi you disagree or agree with how they claimed, we have multiple claims and we are giving the scum team a lot of poe to work with. Why would you have a problem with turning the POE back into towns favor?
We were stopped at two claims until you decided to reveal you knew Oro’s character and posted your own character lol.
I asked publicly that we stop getting claims, or go full mass claim. Oro said he was going to continue with pushing claims, and earth already has a budding wagon. I said if one more claim is getting forced out we need to go full mass claim and substantiated why. And oro was basically claimed, his soft claim was extremely obvious. He linked a Singer with the name of misty, and an article with the word misty. The only time I have heard Misty as a persons name growing up was watching pokemon. If my dumb self can figure that out, then scum likely already did too.
How do you know the 4 people are town lol
I never said they were, though I know at least one of them (myself) is, and I buy the other 3. But I can turn that on you; how do you know they aren't? Assuming they are town, mafia gets a POE advantage with multiple claims.
No mass claim lol. You’re just helping mafia lol. They know all the characters it’s even easier for them to pick the likely PRs to kill.Your strategy is literally contradictory lmao
This argument is a petty "No u" devoid of logic. How about this; the day you figure out how to scum read people without relying on 3-4 character claims dp1, is the day I won't suggest we go forward with a mass claim. :)
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@ILikePie5
Then he shouldn’t have a problem with a character claim. 3 character claims are enough for me imo.
We already have 4 claims, Earth isn't one of them. So at this point mafia already have a lot to work with. We are mass claiming now.
Let me ask you a better question. Who do you want to lynch today and why?
Not sure yet, day is still young. Game literally isn't even 24 hours old yet. Let's slow it down and play this thing by ear. Right now I am going with the mass claim, and we can see where we are after that.
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@ILikePie5
Definitely no mass claims. We only have two claims right now and third I’m pressuring as a policy.
Too late. I am already going for mass character claim. There is a wagon on earth and inactives, and already 4 plus claims. This gives mafia too much POE to work with. If we are going to force multiple claims like this, we need to do it in a way that also benefits town, so let's lock in claims from mafia. When they are forced to role claim they will have to cater a role to whatever desperate claim they came up with. Any of my fellow pokemon nerds can pick up on inconsistencies with these claims.
We either had to stop at 2 claims, or go full mass claim here. Ya'll want to keep pressuring people, this is the way to do it that doesn't fully fvck town over.
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@ILikePie5
I’m asking nicely lol. He was the one that said he was drunk and didn’t read his PM properly
I mean if he was denying any fault or doubling down about the mistake, I'd say unleash all the dickish hell on him lol. But he seemed aware of the mistake, and was already beating himself up over it ya know lol
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@Vader
I understand that but I am questioning the ability for you to decipher scum if in only 2 posts, you believe I can be in scum pile. If you were to say that now, I would take no issue into that statement since I had made claims that can warrant a read.
I don't have you in my scum pile, actually. I just said those are the players I will be wary of this game, not because you did or said anything specifically, but because you are experienced players and are more likely to come up with better fake claims, and blend in etc. I am expecting at least one veteran player, maybe two, but at least one and a noob at the very least.
My read on you is actually switching a little bit as the conversation goes on though, I feel if you were scum you would be more likely to back off of me. The only times you really suspect me are when you are town.
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@oromagi
Depends on the mafia. I'm convinced half the players just skip right over my little soft claims.
I usually glance at them, but half the time I am unfamilar with the theme so they don't mean much to me. This time it was pretty obvious lol
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Claims
Oromagi- (waiting on oro to confirm I can post his)
drlebronski- Professor Oak- Enabler for Ash
Discipulus_Didicit- MewTwo- Miller
Lunatic- Pikachu
Unclaimed
Earth- Up next for popcorn
ILikePie
whiteflame
Wylted
Evilgenius
SupaDudz
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@oromagi
Can I put your soft claim on the claims list? Character at least, since you made it pretty obvious I'd be surprised if mafia didn't already figure it out.
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@Earth
Okay let's just roll with this, because earth has a budding wagon, and will likely claim when he get's on, so lets just popcorn the remaining claims.
We are popcorn mass claiming.
I'll start. I am Pikachu, which is why I don't dis-believe the MewTwo claim, since I am also a pokemon.
I popcorn earth for the next claim. Earth when you claim, popcorn who you want to go next.
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@Wylted
If one more person claims I am full enforcing a mass character claim this day phase regardless. Whether people follow me or not, I have little control over. But I can at least make a pretty good argument for why we should.
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@Vader
You are on high alert of me with only 2 posts at the time of posting? Interesting read but fair enough to say the least
This reads kind of defensive, ya know. Also you should recount my posts, I had made several posts last night when the game first popped up. I am not an early morning mafia player, I always get on around 4pm MST.
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@oromagi
I get what you are saying, and I think there is merit to games that follow a specific structure. The way those games are played on mafiascum for example are completely different as well. The reason those games work is because they aren't filled with as many power roles as DART/DDO games generally are. Thats a bad habit this site has inherited, reliance on roles. There's hardly any real behavioral analysis that goes into these games, which annoys me as well. Only reason I play here is because it's the only mafia website my work will let me play on, the rest are restricted.
But I think the fundamental issue lies with over-reliance on role confirmation. I feel like it's rare to see well balanced games these days, either mafia crushes the town because they can POE out all the roles or were given over powered roles, or town POE's the mafia based on roles. I feel like a lot of these games are just solved via POE because of role craziness and everyone being able to prove their roles. I don't think it's an issue that there isn't a strict standard with mafia roles, because changing mechanics of roles encourages players to not vote one dimensionally, and think outside the box, focus on behavior etc.
TL;DR I agree with you that the way we play mafia here sucks, but not for the same reason. At the end of the day though we have to adapt to the way it is played if we are still to play here, and attaching strict judgements to how roles should work according to what we know of them has bitten us in the ass too much in the past to be a valuable way to play.
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I do not currently suspect any of the claims so far on merit of claim alone. I can see MewTwo as Miller, Oak as enabler, etc. I caught on to oro's claim, and it seems town as well, unless it was a fake claim. I am going to be on high alert for pie, wylted, whiteflame, and supa. I'd be suprised if none of them were scum, with maybe earth or evil genius being a secondary.
I think earth and evil genius should be participating more, but I don't know if I want there claims. I will say if people are pressuring earth for a claim we need to just mass claim at this point. Because this benefits mafia greatly to have 3 claims dp1, so if we are going to hurt town with POE, let's also hurt mafia with POE.
Anyone with me on this? That's my vote. We either stop pushing claims now, or we mass claim.
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@Earth
Please be sober. Please read your PM letter by letter and at least character claim please.
come on bro don't be a dick
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@oromagi
OK, thanks.Let's note that this is unusual.An Enabler is linked to a specific role (such as Doctor), not types of role (such as protective); the Normal version of an Enabler is self-aware (and knows which role they enable). When the Enabler dies, all players lose the role that they are linked to, e.g. the death of a Doctor Enabler will cause every Doctor in the game to become useless.Essentially, an enabler is charged with the same level of self-protection as the ROLE he is linked to. How is a player supposed to know how to play his role without knowing the role he's linked to?I call this claim rather suspect and worthy of some kind of confirming investigation.
Oro, I think one of your weaknesses in mafia is that you tend to expect every role to go by the book exactly, according to some definitition of a role you read and are familiar with. Where generally speaking, several sites view some roles differently than others do, or some roles have a similar name but function completely diffrently than others do. Or some mods just design the functionality of their role differently based on what they think is balanced.
Now that's not to say that you can't be critical of claims that don't fit, I am mostly saying this to say that suspicion on roles should be supplemented by context of either sketchy behavior or circumstances surrounding how the individual claimed.
All of this isn't to say that I believe his claim 100% or anything like that, but it irks me to see people being suspected on claim alone, or an IWWTT statement alone, etc, etc, when time and time again we see mods not following some strict formula like that. You are an amazing debater, you usually source well, and like to follow facts straight through, so I can see how you would carry a debaters mentality to mafia, but unfortunately while the two things share some parrallels, they are entirely a different animal. To be effective at debating doesn't equate to effectiveness at scum hunting.
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Maybe Gary (Ash's rival) could be scum or third party? Most likely third party or town, but who knows.
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Assuming this is a pretty straightforward game, team rocket (Jesse and James) or Giovonni are probably scum. Given this is Poly's first game I am not expecting some crazy thematic twist.
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@ILikePie5
I don’t know anything besides Ash and Pikachu and the cat with those twins
The cat: Meowth
The Twins: Team Rocket
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I'd Like to think I am pretty familiar with pokemon, at least the first few generations. I think black/white was the last game I played. Watched a bit of the show back in the late 90's.
Should be a fun time.
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Current Mafia:
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Polyglot- Pokemon Indigo
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Lunatic- Comedians
On Hold
Virtuoso, RM, Speed, Danielle, Bullish, Earth
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Theres like no one signed up on the mod list by the way. Yall should think about throwing your name on there so mafia doesnt die due to lack of mods lol
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@Polyglot
Current Mafia:
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In the Hopper:
Polyglot
Lunatic
On Hold
Virtuoso, RM, Speed, Danielle, Bullish
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think earth is a first time mod so I honestly have no clue how he balanced it but 2 scum isn't necessarily un balanced
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@Wylted
@Vader
@whiteflame
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Polyglot
VTNL
because this is a 7 player game we are essentially ,a mislynch and a succesful night kill puts us at MYLO and I don't want mafia getting any claims to narrow down power roles. We get one night to get results. If no one gets any results tomorrow, IDGAF, we are mass claiming regardless and using POE to force scum out.
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@coal
I have quite a few confirmations so far, you should definitely come Miss ya
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Current Mafia:
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Earth - Fire Emblem
In the Hopper:
Polyglot
Lunatic
On Hold
Virtuoso, RM, Speed, Danielle, Bullish
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@Wylted
Me and pie banter a bit even as both being town. Just different philosphies sometimes
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@ILikePie5
It came off like it even if it wasn’t your intention lol
I would have done that if I was town. I personally would have FOS'ed you as town pretty hard. I'd have been wrong but ya know.
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@ILikePie5
Ya Luna was panicking which is very unlike him. The reason why it was derailed was cause everyone was afraid if Beloved Princess was actually Poly, we’d lose. I said screw it.
I was not panicking lol. You are giving yourself way too much credit here.
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@ILikePie5
SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP
Projecting lol
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@Wylted
Nice guys. Why the concession. I think doubt could have still been sewn
I tied my fate to poly, after he flipped there was no other logical option there.
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Who is interested in coming? Want to get a head count for mike, who said he will show up if we can get like 8 or 9
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I'm fine admitting scum played better here. But I'm still town lol.
Gg and on to the next one.
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