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@ILikePie5
I'm town... so if it isn't you and whiteflame I guess it's wylted and whiteflame? In which case we were way screwed.
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@ILikePie5
If anything I’m consistent because I believe that if you keep repeating lies and negativity over and over and over again, a person is bound to believe. Literally what happened to Trump as I’ve been saying for a while now.
No lie has been said, you literally factored in a passive mafia role into your analysis. That is not a lie or a mis-representation, and the evidence is there for wylted to see it for himself. And God almighty don't bring trump into this, I know you are a fanboy which is cringe but I don't wanna get into that bullshit lol
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@ILikePie5
If Luna spams the thread with responses at least give me the chance to respond before voting.
Relax, go to sleep if you need to sleep. It's a game and not worth losing sleep over. I am an late nighter, you are an early morninger. You will have nothing but free uncontested time to try and sway wylted while I will likely be asleep until noon or later, MST.
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@ILikePie5
I know you Luna. You pride yourself in being able to talk your way out. I have 100% faith that Wylted will believe me because your “scum slip” doesn’t even make any sense.And I’m not just gonna let you filibuster and spread propaganda the entire time like CNN does.
Wylted is a big boi. I am not overly worried about having the last word like you are. I figured the ship had sailed on this game the second he got his guilty result. The fact that he didn't insta vote me and give scum the win here is more than I would have expected.
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@Wylted
@ILikePie5
I have. I’ve said he’d be scum in situations.
No, Pie said he would lynch him if disc was scum. This literally means nothing, since we now know disc was town, so if pie was scum he would already know this and was just giving himself an excuse to not vote whiteflame in the following phase.
I’ve said constantly Poly is 100% scum and then it’d be 50/50 between you and WF if I live during which I’d have to do more analysis.
How could pie know that poly is 100% scum just becausehe doesn't believe in a claim? Also saying that me and whiteflame have 50/50 scum between us makes no sense and he follows it up with no reasoning whatsoever.
There is no “projecting” and no “scum-slip.” Either way it’s for Wylted to decide.
Yet he is willing to lose sleep so he can debate with me all night.
That’s not what I mean. You both scumread me. Sure that’s fine. What’s the future? Who’s the second scum? No discussion. I’ve been doing for quite a while now with Wylted.
I called the scum teams being pie/whiteflame or speed/disc last phase. I was already leaning that way based on pie's mislynch attempt.
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Pie's behaior in post 113 is another thing I pointed out last day phase:
He's so hell bent on having the last word, it's like he thinks that by being the last person in a text chain for the night it by proxy makes him right. But really he's only talking to one person, most people aren't reading back and forths like this. It's why I have tried to make posts that are more open ended and directed towards everyone in the middle of the back and forths, because as town, we are all apart of the conversation. Pie doing this in wylted's game is one thing, since he wasn't scum reading me but appealing to my scum read of him. In this scenario where he directly scum reads me, losing sleep to do a back and forth is pure posturing.
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@ILikePie5
I can continue this all night if you want. I’m not backing down. Though I hope I can at least catch some shut eye after waking up at 6 today
This is postering, which is honestly scummy. You think I am scum, and think wylted is town. You need to convince wylted not me. The only reason to lose sleep here is to make sure you are seen as having the last word, not actually proving a point.
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@ILikePie5
I never said you’re telling the truth about being a tracker lol
Right, you inadvertently acknowledged when you scum slipped by factoring in a passive role on the scum team in your analysis. That is what is a scum slip is. It's you telling the truth by accident. I am sure you didn't mean to admit that my tracker results were accurate ;-)
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@ILikePie5
I’ve already said I post reads when asked. As for Whiteflame, the same can be said about me and Speed. Only analysis I did was MYLO analysis with him. Very little interactions DP1 and DP2. Am I still scum? You on the other hand have done this exclusively with Poly. Normally you bounce ideas off your town reads. Ask around. I’ve been doing that with Wylted for a while now.
Okay then why haven't you with whiteflame? Because you weren't asked lol? Why do you vocalize reads for others but not him?
I forgot to finish cause you’re spamming SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP even though it isn’t a scum slip by any means.
I am not spamming anything. I am making a very logical argument for how it is a scum slip. This feels like you projecting, because you feel the pressure for being caught.
If you town read Poly DP3, you should have more interactions with him because you town read him lol.
My town read of him was by proxy of you trying to mislynch him combined with a result that lines up with his claim, not some expert behavior from him.
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There is no strawmanning going on here, pie is operating under two conflicting assumptions; 1. that me and poly are both scum, and 2. that there is a passive role on the scum team which acknowledges that I am not lying about being a tracker.
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@ILikePie5
I did read him. I throughly analyzed him while I was in my MYLO phase. I even talked about how I’d lynch him today based on Disc’s flip. And also you know that at any point in time you ask me for my reads, I will gladly post them in a concise format. I haven’t posted one detailed reads list.
All of this still falls under the category of "barely interacting", and none of that shows an actual read on whiteflame. If anything your post 168 makes you look worse, because if you are scum you know disc is town and you have made yourself a predetermined excuse not to vote whiteflame in MYLO.
On the other hand poly has been in my read lsts since dp1. I didn't even really town read him until pie almost mislynched him in dp3. And that was after my result.But see that’s the problem now.
It's a problem; For you. It shows that I have been analyzing poly's behavior and changing opinions on him based on his behavior and my results. You on the other hand haven't mentioned whiteflame in a read, and whiteflame only said he had little reason to suspect you once, in a whole 4 day phases. With me and poly there's at least some critical thinking and analysis going on. At leas on my end.
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@ILikePie5
That’s why I said Vice versa?
This qoute right here is the only thing that matters out of the above; the rest is wifom. Vice Versa still acknowledges that you think one or the other of us is a passive role. The only reason any one is discussing the option of one scum having a passive is under the assumption that I am actually tracker. If you think I am scum you have exactly 0 reason to buy into the narrative that there is even a passive role. Bruh, you scum slipped.
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@Wylted
So Pie just scum slipped by acknowledging that he thinks poly was a passive role even though he is shipping us as a scum team. Which would imply that he believed my tracker result for some reason, even though he thinks I am scum. Wyt?
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@whiteflame
I said there is barely any posts, that that none exists. But your reads of each other are largely missing from all of them, and many of the posts tagged to one other are dis-regarded entirely by the other entity or quickly dropped. There doesn't seem to be any deep analyzation of the other affiliation, besides your post 84 that says you have little reason to sus pie. That doesn't really excuse you, but it definitely doesn't excse why pie isn't reading you.
On the other hand poly has been in my read lsts since dp1. I didn't even really town read him until pie almost mislynched him in dp3. And that was after my result.
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@ILikePie5
The key thing is bolded with the cop reads. It explains why he kept you alive. Doesn’t really explain who last scum is out of WF or Luna but the plan to keep you alive to manipulate your results is still here. It’s possible Luna is the scum power role and Poly is the passive role or vice versa.
In this scenario where you think I am scum why would you think I would be telling the truth about my tracker result on poly? If you think we were a scum team, then any scum role is an option for either of us... This feels like a scum slip
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@ILikePie5
Oh I 100% called him out for it. I don't scum read a bad suggestion from a new player, I correct it.
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@Wylted
I agree with white flame here, the scum teams only makes sense here from your perspective as me/poly or whiteflame/pie.
Sounds like the game will be largely up to you to decide. I am always willing to make a case for why I think me and poly are town, though obviously it could be dismissed as wifom. But I have plenty to support it if you are interested.
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@Wylted
Yeah just checked dp1 and there was like one small minor disagreement wylted had with voting earth and that was like the only time he tagged him. DP2 nothing, and DP3 just that one post as well. Them reading each other at all is almost non existent. Whereas the argument for my interactions with poly is more or less that I am blatantly buddying him if I am scum.
Poly hasn't responded to any of my scum reads on him from dp1 or dp2, but at least I had a read on him the whole game, and have been on both sides of the coin.
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@Wylted
@ILikePie5
The key thing I notice after my first half-read/half-skim is that there are zero conversations between Poly and Lunatic.The closest thing is the derailment of the Poly wagon last DP. But I don’t think they’ve pinged each other once which is really really odd.
Ironically I was going to point the same thing out about pie and whiteflame. Other than pie responding to whiteflames post 190 there's barely been any interaction. And there's more of a reason for them to be interacting based on pie's pushes on players largely due to balance speculization, where whiteflames role is pretty much not mentioned pie pie as an oddity ever.
There isn't really a whole lot of reason for me to be interacting with poly given that we town read each other and have explained why. However I did ask him for his reads this day phase, and was on his lynch wagon dp1 prior to tracking him (also mentioend scum reading him in dp2 several times).
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@ILikePie5
From your PoV then, scum has to be exactly Whiteflame and me then. There’s no room to manuver there. Don’t know why you’re not voting then…
That's pretty much where I am at. There is a small chance that poly convienently ninja'd out of a JOAT role np2 which I acknowledged to wylted, but that would be the stars aligning pretty darn well. I will likely be voting one of you or whiteflame today, but there's no reason to do it now. Also I could be missing something, so I am open to other suggestions here. There's no rush.
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@ILikePie5
You’re forgetting one thing though. It’s conceivable that Poly is a passive role like GF and his partner is the JOAT with the RB and Frame from your PoV
That doesn't account for this DP, where I know I was roleblocked, and also know some fuckery happened with the cop result. Whether it was a redirect or a frame, they did something. Which means for their to be a god father than one of the mafia was able to use two roles in one night, which isn't normal.
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@Wylted
could one of the scum be ascetic a.d the other a redirector?
I've never seen supa use an ascetic on the scum team. Also that kind of invalidates all townie power roles if that is the case. A JOAT feels more likely and gives the game a bit more of an element of choice. I am guessing either JOAT/roleblocker or ninja/roleblocker. JOAT makes more sense as it technically has more balance checks for cops, doctors, and tracker/watchers if done correctly.
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@Wylted
what message did you get the night you were roleblocked?
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@Wylted
poly is strongly suspected of being scum.now, so if we took the next step and assume poly is scum, we can deduce some things here
Actually, logically now that I am thinking about this, the only situation that makes sense for him (poly) being scum from my POV (knowing I was either framed or you were redirected) is if he is a JOAT that convienently used a ninja np2 the night I tracked him. Because we know they have a roleblocked, since you were blocked last night. Scum usually can't use more than one role at a time, so the only way he could be scum is if he is a JOAT that used a ninja NP2, and the other scum is the roleblocker.
If anything this moves poly even lower on my suspect list, since the odds of the happening would have to be pretty lucky. Also they knew the tracker was dead at this point, so unless they had reason to believe there was a watcher, why would they use a ninja ability here? Unless poly is just a straight up ninja and not a JOAT, in which case oromagi's role was just absolutely pointless.
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@ILikePie5
Well that’s cause Wylted came up with the game on the spot - which I’m sure he’ll confirm lol.
This one feels kind of made up on the spot too.
Chris and Speed were heavily weakened though meaning Supa did at least somewhat consider balance.
Speed was weakened because DD claimed (that role should probably not be honest claimed as town). Mafia got lucky with chris, and if earth hadn't claimed mafia could have wasted a kill. Mafia ran into a bit of luck with the way things turned out this time.
Ya ik, but none of his games have ever ended after DP2 with Town losing. He’s a bad mod for sure, but he’s not dumb enough to create a game where town loses in 2 DPs. Even our scum game lasted like 5 DPs
Full metal alchemist could have ended np1 if whoever chris gave the vig to shot you, and whiteflame shot me or vice versa. That was my whole issue with the game. I don't like to bitch about balance anymore but double vig definitely a bit OP. I am not saying this game is imbalanced, just that it could be really swingy.
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@Wylted
you always bitch that SupaDudz games are unbalanced. It shouldn't be too hard to believe that could be the case here
Exactly. I said this last day phase too. The fact that he isn't accounting for supa balance, and isn't even mentioning whiteflames vanilla or factoring it into the balancing theory is concerning me.
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@ILikePie5
But MYLO on DP2? Last Time that happened was RM’s game and Idek what he was doing.
With these smaller games, they can end early no matter what. Just happened with wylteds game. We have a tracker and a cop who could have got a guilty result np1 or 2. I didn't think there would be three protective roles either. And it's supa, his balance is pretty unpredictable if you remember the 2 vigges he had in the last game me and you were scum together in.
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@ILikePie5
If we’re looking at balance then Poly has to be scum
I don't see how. BP is one of those swingy roles that has just as much potential to hurt either team in my opinion.
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@Wylted
With whiteflame it's mostly the claim. A vanilla claim here is better for balance, but with 3 protective roles I think balance goes out the window a bit. I tried tracking him last night for the record.
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@Wylted
I am willing to vote wf with you most likely and reevaluate next dp. I think no matter what scum team we have, wf is one of them
Whiteflame hasn't been sitting right for me since DP1. My gut has been off on him. I would be more willing to lynch him than poly here.
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@ILikePie5
TBH I think scum is more likely you and whiteflame, though saying that doesn't really do me any favors here. I know I was framed so I think scum has vets on it, also my tracker result from np2 makes it hard for me to think poly is scum unless I just got incredibly unlucky and tracked a godfather or ninja or something.Or he just didn’t do the NK lol
I literally just acknowledged that I could have just been very unlucky with that result. It still makes it hard for me to place him as scum higher than the other two options.
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@ILikePie5
What are your thoughts on a Poly lynch?
TBH I think scum is more likely you and whiteflame, though saying that doesn't really do me any favors here. I know I was framed so I think scum has vets on it, also my tracker result from np2 makes it hard for me to think poly is scum unless I just got incredibly unlucky and tracked a godfather or ninja or something.
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@Wylted
I was kept alive for a reason, so scum did not fear me getting an accurate result. That says something
Yeah they should have killed you or role blocked you. Because speedrace was useless after disc died. So they know that they either have protection against the cop with lawyers or godfathers, or they did something like what supa and whiteflame did in TUF villains.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@Polyglot
whoever pulled that frame off, you are a God and have my ultimate respect
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@Wylted
guilty on lunatic
I was framed then, because I don't believe supa didn't put a cop. Mafia probably just won with that frame right there. Scum is in whiteflame, poly, and pie. I am guessing yall just blindly lynch the guiltied result here though, so GG
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@whiteflame
I don't think it's a hammer isn't it just me pie and poly on disc?
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If disc and speed literally have nothing more to offer than I am lynching disc.
Vtl disc
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@whiteflame
I agree that speed's reasoning here is pretty lazy. Jumping around on lynches? I have been trying to prevent people from hammering this day phase, even on the lynches I agree with. Kind of the opposite of jumping around to the most convenient lynch. I have consistently scum read every person I have mentioned from day phase one. The only one I changed on was poly, based on a result on him and him nearly being hammered. Pie I town read prior to that, and I haven't changed my read on him because he unvoted. I just happen to think the speed/disc scum team is more likely at the moment, but pie is still high on my radar.
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@Wylted
There is no need to rush the phase. And if speed is scum he doesn't get to skate through this whole game scot free. He's done that too many times and I've learned my lesson.
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@Wylted
If that was a scum.slip, like I think it was, it confirms poly as town and leaves the remaining scum as most likely tuf or whiteflame and a small chance of it being speed.
I think calling it a slip is kind of a stretch. More like giving him the benefit of the doubt. Though I do think he was town reading poly so it's not really that far fetched. That said not opposed to his lynch. But I'll still give him the time of day and let him post tomorrow.
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