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I am going to unvote for now. Still wanna hear more from speed and disc.
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@ILikePie5
Anyways we should lynch Disc here. If Disc flips town, Speed is confirmed along with Wylted leaving
Ironically I think speed is scummier behaviorally of the two. And unfortunately if he is telling the truth than speed is gimped, but if he is lying I guess there is still a world where speed is town, so there is more scum equity in lynching disc. I guess I can kind of agree that disc isn't the worst option here.
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@ILikePie5
Alright I just realized I’ve been running under the assumption that today is MYLO.
only if there is 3 scum. I am hoping that isn't the case as this would be scum sided slightly, but it is a possibility.
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@ILikePie5
One of the main reasons you scum read earth was because of the multiple protecters theory, so you are literally contradicting yourself. Also you are proving my point for me by pointing out misterchris also had a protective role which I forgot about and wasn't even referring to. So a doctor, a doc enabler, a bulletproof, and a 1x are ALL town? Maybe. But by your own logic with earth you should be more skeptical of the doc claim.No? I never said one or the other has to be scum. I’ve seen numerous games with a Doctor and a Bulletproof.
Then your motives for lynching earth must have been even worse. You didn't learn your lesson after TUF Villains about earth huh? So are you like policy lynching him then?
When did I ever lynch you just because your claim? I don't remember but if I was lynching you it had something to do with behavior.No it wasn’t. You literally told Grey to shoot me in the night but ok lol. That’s besides the point.
Which game? You keep referencing games out of context like I know what you are talking about.
I am starting to town read poly based on the fact you almost mislynched him and that my result confirms his claimed role.Your role just confirms he didn’t perform the NK. Or it just means you both are scum
I mean that is WIFOM and not a solid reason to push him over literally anyone else who is unconfirmed. It's basically a non-statement. He could be scum so let's lynch him. You could be scum, whiteflame could be, speed and DD could be literally with the same logic, etc etc. Why target on to poly here? It's so fucking random.
You on the other hand have like 0 behavioral motive to scum read poly here outside of just not believing his claim.Actually it’s simple POE, which I will explain here in a bit.
Your POE has to be convoluted af. There is literally no one confirmed here.
You are forgetting or choosing to ignore that if he is town you potentially end the game or put us in MYLO. You are blindly buying into the doc claim, if he's scum there is nothing to stop a night kill. So, on the contrary, why do YOU think speed isn't lying?Well there was an investigation on him by Wylted and it was innocent. If Speed was scum he’d have hammered.
This isn't MYLO bro. MYLO analysis isn't relevant. We don't know if there is 2 or 3 scum yet. Also if it is just two scum might not want to hammer that to look scummy by participating on the lynch. Also you are assuming both were online when the l-1 took place, despite speed not talking for hours. Also you want to buy that poly is a passive role, but dis-regard that speed could be a godfather? This is solid evidence that you are either townie tunnel vision on poly, or you are scum deadlocked on lynching him so you can win the game. You are showing an incapability to be objective unless it fits the theme of lynching a specific person; poly. And any naysayers; me.
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@ILikePie5
Aight I’m here. First I’m going to respond to stuff directed at me after I left. Then I’m going to lay out a step by step case.
If you are actually town here, I feel like you are so caught up in the back and forth lately, and being right that you are losing sight of the actual goal; scum hunting. I am hoping this is just your scum play, or I have severely over-estimated your town play. And I don't see how you already have a step by step case against poly that isn't going to be a completely convoluted effort to double down on your already bad logic.
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@Wylted
Could the underlined bolded portion of disc's statement in post 146 be a scum slip?
I don't see a scum slip in the bolded.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Wish I had time before bed to finish analysis but sadly not. Please don't lynch me pie or poly while I am gone.
Unless someone scum slips or something we shouldn't be lynching until we get much more content. We have plenty of time, and I would like to hear a bit more from speed as well
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@Polyglot
The idea of VTNL sounds good. it won't hurt the town and will still leave us with time to scoop out mafia with some cop reads. I don't have any reads on speedrace and I'm willing to put him as a town read simply because the way Wylted interacted with him DP2. As far as I'm concerned, Pie is looking more and more scummy based on his interactions with me today and I'll be willing to lynch him if we decide not to VTNL.
Town doesn't no lynch, except if there isn't enough time to pull off a lynch at the end of the phase. That or after 3 days of arguing absolutely 0 consensus has been reached. However in that circumstance we just let the phase expire while trying to lynch scum. You shouldn't rely on results especially after everyone has full claimed and we know there is a roleblocker. Chances are I or wylted die or get blocked tonight. If you think pie is scum you can help me pressure him, though I imagine at this point he's just gonna double down on you so you might as well push him if you scum read him.
Who do you think pie's partner is likely to be? Who else do you read?
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@whiteflame
I appreciate the analysis. I'd be willing to consider either lynch, but I do have to note that it's a bit odd for scum to tie their fates together so closely. If Speed did flip scum, DD would easily be the next target, since his claim is absolutely tied to Speed's. If there is no Doc in this game, then there is no need for a Doc Enabler. Much as I buy the idea that he'd play like this as scum (he did do it before, as you say), I don't think that he'd prep this fake claim with DD. That seems more half-assed than I'm willing to buy at the moment. So, if we're considering these two, I think the case you're making against Pie is more persuasive.
I don't disagree, but yeah that's why if speed is scum DD pretty much has to be is scum partner here. And there is scum equity in there interactions/ lack of interactions with each other. There are also a lot of protective roles in this game, note that DD claimed after mister chris flipped JOAT with a doc. They as scum may have expected the argument to rise that theres now 3 different protective roles if we are to believe speed. DD may have had to bite the bullet on that one to lock in for speed. So that is why it isn't that absurd to believe scum would back each other like that. on that note, pie is also accusing me of buddy locking with poly here, so at the very least if you think scum aren't likely to buddy lock you have to acknowledge the same applies to me and poly, which means the result on poly makes him look even better. If I were you I wouldn't buy into that narrative at all, I am just saying that to prove a point; if scum are willing to buddy lock in any scenario it shouldn't be dis-regarded for the other.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Claim list for the guy on the 13 hour shift remodeling dollar stores?
Claims list:
Disc - ???? - Doc Enabler (If dies, doc can’t protect)
Polyglot- Dominoes Pizza- Beloved Princess
Whiteflame- Panda Express- Vanilla
Lunatic- Jimmy Johns- Universal Back Up (Tracked poly np2, visited no one)
iLikePie5- Dunkin Donuts- Restless spirit
Wylted - In and Out Burger- Cop (NP1 speedrace inno, NP2 Roleblocked?)
Speedrace- Raising Canes- Doctor (NP1 Pie, NP2 Pie)
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@whiteflame
I find that hard to believe, but fine, I'll take your point. At the moment, I'm having trouble finding any other avenues that give me much in the way of information to work from, so I'm open to suggestions.
My top two suspects right now are pie, and speedrace.
I actually town read pie initially because of how hard he went on earth since dp1; I feel like if he was scum that was too ballsy a move for him to be on that mislynch so hard. But with his behavior this phase in rushing the lynch, I am starting to think this is just caucky scum pie. Because there's no world where he as town rushes the game like this. I at least think he would be a better townie than that. So could be pie is just ballsy scum here, knowing he could get away with the earth mislynch by blaming it on earth changing his claim or something.
My second scum read here is speed still. The huge lack of activity and low interest in the game in indicative of his scum play. He played very similar in the stand mafia if you recall. He is expert at fake claiming too, so if supa didn't give them doc as a fake claim he is one of the few that I think would risk that type of claim. I don't neccesary see a pie/ speed scum team based on interactions, could be wrong here. Honestly I see a you and pie scum team or a disc and speed scum team based on interactions/ claims.
Disc is looking better for not rushing the lynch here, but his activity in dp1 and 2 wasn't all the townie feeling to me.
I think wylted's cop claim is legit, don't have any reason to doubt that. Supa usually puts a cop.
Poly I was suspicious of until he got a sketch wagon on him, and my result seems to meet his claim, so he is a bit lower on my list.
The only two I'd be willing to lynch today would be speed or pie. Considering pie still gets to vote after if he actually is town, there is objectively less consequence out of that lynch. Also I don't think I remember seeing restless spirit ever used.
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@whiteflame
The problem here is that Poly’s still alive after reaching L-1. There are a few explanations for that. One is that DD just didn’t seize on the opportunity when presented to him, which, given the length of time he had to make that choice and his continued activity over that time (the only reason I could find him giving against voting was that he wanted to extend the DP), I’d have trouble believing. I doubt you’d miss the opportunity as scum, which gives me less reason to sus you now.Two is that Speed isn’t around and that’s the reason that there was no hammer. That would make it likely that one scum is on the lynch. This is plausible.Three is that no scum is on the lynch and Poly is scum, so if he has a scum partner as we presume, then they are unwilling to hammer for the sake of protecting him. I’d say that this is also plausible.
Four, there could actually be just two scum so participating on the lynch and putting us at MYLO will still make them look bad. Hammer analysis isn't relevant here yet, I feel like Pie is really pushing that too hard.
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@whiteflame
I’d say this is a two-sided problem. It’s a mistake to lynch him based solely on the claim. It’s also a mistake to remove him as a suspect based solely on the claim. There’s a risk to removing him, particularly with that role, but it’s also a common fake claim for that very reason.
He is not removed as a suspect. He's not confirmed town by any means. I just don't understand how he got to l-1, and how pie was making an argument to get him hammered, especially when there's a tracker result proving he at least didn't carry out the kill...
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@whiteflame
I'm willing to consider the possibility that Pie is scum, but this seems a little dismissive to me. He posted several times after Wylted called for claims and well after my vote was on him. I claimed early in the DP. DD did as well. I don't know why you think we would have FOS'ed him for doing the same. Poly's also been in more than a few games by now, so saying that this is noob behavior doesn't sit right with me.
I am saying he wouldnt have known what a beloved princess is, thats a DDO style claim. I don't think he came up with that himself. Anyways being one of the last to claim just means he was on later than others. I think outright lynching him over any of the other options for that seems pretty excessive when the stakes of his claim put us at endgame, or mylo. We should consider our options a little closer is all I am suggesting. If at the end of 3 days we need to lynch poly based on having the worst behavior, I am down for that
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@ILikePie5
Scum can’t be Speed or Disc cause they would’ve hammered by now. Unless you believe it’s exactly Speed and Poly or Disc and Poly. Poly is still scum
or they aren't on, or don't want to be implicated in mylo or hammering, or its whiteflame/ wylted, or literally any other combination of players on the very large POE list.... Wh yare you going to such great lengths to buy the only narrative that implicates poly?
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@ILikePie5
There are only 2. One is a 1x which Chris who didn’t even know he had it. Second is Speed who has an Enabler in the form of Disc. And yes I do call him out over it, but he’s not that bad to force MYLO on DP2.
One of the main reasons you scum read earth was because of the multiple protecters theory, so you are literally contradicting yourself. Also you are proving my point for me by pointing out misterchris also had a protective role which I forgot about and wasn't even referring to. So a doctor, a doc enabler, a bulletproof, and a 1x are ALL town? Maybe. But by your own logic with earth you should be more skeptical of the doc claim.
And we both know that Beloved Princess is a common scum fake claim. You lynched me over it if I recall correctly. What changed here? Why are you so adamant on defending Poly? Why do you town read him?
When did I ever lynch you just because your claim? I don't remember but if I was lynching you it had something to do with behavior. I am starting to town read poly based on the fact you almost mislynched him and that my result confirms his claimed role. You on the other hand have like 0 behavioral motive to scum read poly here outside of just not believing his claim. You are forgetting or choosing to ignore that if he is town you potentially end the game or put us in MYLO. You are blindly buying into the doc claim, if he's scum there is nothing to stop a night kill. So, on the contrary, why do YOU think speed isn't lying?
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@ILikePie5
I mean we had a discussion and he used 2 scum. Why you think it’s 1?
You are discounting that there could be 3, or 2 mafia and 1 third party.
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@ILikePie5
Beloved Princess has no place in this small of a game. It would lead to insta MYLO. Based on your talk you’re the second scum
There's also multiple claimed protective roles, we didn't think that would be the case either. You can't presume to know the balance here. Especially in a supa game. In fact you are usually the one to call supa out on bad balancing
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@ILikePie5
If I get lynched, Supa said game would end cause it’d be 2-2
Did supa literally confirm that it was 2 scum?
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@ILikePie5
Uh oh looks like Lunatic is panicking
I mean you want to potentially end the game over a yolo lynch lol town should be worried
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@Wylted
Could be a sign of confidence as well
Only scum are that confident hased on inside info. If its town it's just lazy
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@Wylted
I would consider lynching pie since we don't lose a vote and narrows the pool of potential scum next dp. It is a safer mislynch and I am willing to discuss it.
I actually town read him before he started asking people to hammer when the phase just barely came up, knowing that poly's role could lose us the game if there is 3 scum and poly is town lol. Like that actually blew my mind he was willing to have someone hammer that
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pie / whiteflame or speed / disc.
Calling it now. One of these are teams.
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@whiteflame
He wasn't asked to claim until this day phase, and claimed when he wasa pressured... He would have been FOS'ed for claiming early too. IF you are a noob its a lose / lose scenario then?
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@Wylted
Typical scum tactic to claim a lynch activated role that harms town. Especially in late game situations it activates psychological pressure to fear mistakes more and make town more cautious in hopes of preventing a lynch that was previously inevitable.
Or he is town and actually has that role. Why wouldn't he claim bomb or hunter? This dude is brand new and has never seen a beloved princess, so unless hes got a scum mate feeding him that claim, I doubt he pulled that one out of his ass. There really is no reason to call a bluff here, unless you think hes done something particularly scummy other than claim when he was asked to.
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Scum team definitely has vets based on the night kills. Why are me whiteflame, speed, disc, pie and wylted still alive after 2 night phases? Targetting noobs is a scum power play right now, especially if one is a beloved princess. If poly is town we potentially lose from hammering him. In other words, there better be a good ass reason to lynch him other than "yolo, I doubt his claim".
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@whiteflame
Ah, didn't realize we were at L-1. I'll unvote for now because I do think there's value in extending the discussion, though I do still support a lynch on Poly atm.
Why do you want to lynch poly?
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@Polyglot
Just so everyone knows if you lynch me now that would give mafia two night phases and 2 kills. That would be a loss for town. We could extend the day phase and see if there are any more scummier players such as Disc.
If there is 2 scum that takes us to mylo. If it is 3 scum or 2 scum and a third party you are right though. Either way lynching you seems like a pretty bad idea.
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@Wylted
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@Discipulus_Didicit
@Polyglot
lets pressure pie since he wants to rush the phase for literally no reason
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@ILikePie5
unvote vtl pie
Why are you rushing the day phase?
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There is literally no reason to end this day phase so fast, WTF are we doing
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Pie and wylted are my main town reads right now. I buy the restless spirit claim more than I buy the doc enabler existing with disc. I am actually still suspicious of speed but I feel like for speed to be scum disc has to be scum with him. Not sure if they would lock themselves together like that as scum, so I'll have to think about that one a bit more. Whiteflame is still in the back of my head bugging me too. Unfortunately the vanilla claim doesn't help with that much.
But yeah I really don't like disc's claim out of the claimed group so far.
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Hello guys, I am Jimmy Johns the Universal Backup. I inherit the first town role that dies. I am tracker now, and last night I tracked poly because I was pretty suspicious of his late vote and activity. He visited no one.... Should have tracked disc.
Poly is by no means confirmed here and I'd still like a claim, but we at least know he didn't carry the night kill.
VTL disc.
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@Trent0405
I know the crowd wasn't digging the fight, but I thought Gane was remarkable. He was incredibly evasive, purposeful, and intelligent from my POV. Lewis never really had Gane in trouble at all, it was simply an impressive performance from every angle.If I'm being completely honest, I think I would bet on Gane if he were to ever fight Ngannou, which he probably will.
Agree on all. I too think Gane looks good fighting Ngannou.
The crowd booing was just because Derek Lewis was from Houston and was getting beat up bad lol.
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@Speedrace
claiming doc is way worth lynching scum, I've been trying to say that lol
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It's TIMMMMMEEEEEE
FOR THE MAAAAAINNNN EVENT OF THE EVENING
IN THIS CORNER, WITH AN UNDISPUTED RECORD OF 0 CHARACTER CLAIMS, 0 ROLE CLAIMS, SPEED "THE LURKER" RACE!!!!
AND IN THIS CORNER WE HAVE A BUNCH OF TOWN MEMBERS PUTTING HIM AT L-1!!!
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@Bones
How do you think Jon fits in the picture here? Here's currently the twitter king, but not much action from him lately. He definitely won't take the Stipe fight, as the risks is high and reward is low, and he's said a couple times that he's only going for Francis, or whoever has the belt. I'm personally a huge Jon fan but fighting Francis is like fighting a titan.
Hard to say with Jon. He rarely doesn't impress me in a fight. I would say his time away from the Octagon hurts his chances but he's proven me wrong on that point as well. Jon is the GOAT, he is just extremely smart in the ring, and I would have a hard time betting against him in any scenario. I would love to see him fight either of these guys.
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@Wylted
You are not even voting earth. What is going on?
If you are talking about me, I am just telling earth that if he is town his time is better spent trying to find a better lynch then and pursuading others of his thoughts, rather than stick to complaining that the whole phase is being wasted arguing about him. Would you not agree?
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@Wylted
what about role claims.
I don't like the idea of pushing for claims at all actually. I think thats a DDO thing that just carried on over here. It's kind of backward thinking from a town perspective. On sites like epic mafia, or Mafia Universe I've noticed no one pressures for claims. You find scummy behavior, you call it out, and if their responses aren't satisfactory you lynch the player. If they have a claim that you feel is just too good to be fake, you can re-consider at that point, but behaviorally you just lynch the scummy player. We have a bad habit on this site of just unvoting immediately after someone claims, as if scum are never provided fake role claims, or aren't capable of big braining a claim. Long story short; role claiming doesn't just erase scummy behavior. That's why in pie's game I never asked badger for a claim once when I was "tunneling him" (according to him).
Can we lynch disc or whiteflame please?
I could probably get on board one of these wagons, but I see no rush. I see speed acting scummily, and not really giving me any reason to think otherwise yet, but we should be questioning DD and whiteflame at the same time. I am doing that with disc atm regarding his vote on Earth. Whiteflame... More of a gut tell on him. He's saying the right things, but something still feels... off with him.
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