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I will say, that if the bomb hits me it won't be a big deal for town role-wise.
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I'm going to agree with Lunatic and Pie that we should play a game of hot potato & have the bomb passed between our scum reads. It lowers the possibility of the bomb hitting town, although there's no way we can guarantee it won't.
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BTW if you all want proof, here is all of Oro's "contributions" last DP:
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/239965
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240059 (This is literally the only real one, the rest are poetry and jokes LOL)
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240063
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240076
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240079
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240237
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240364
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240365
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@whiteflame
Bullish is also high on my suspicion list. I want to put pressure on Bullish & Oromagi today.
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VTL Oromagi.
Oromagi didn't make a single contribution all of last day phase except to:
- start a "speed is always scum" wagon
- share poetry.
He was posting throughout the DP so clearly he was reading what was going on. I think this reflects his scum playstyle where he'd rather lay low to not screw things up. He's said himself he's a bad scum player.
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If so that means we've avoided a nightkill by pure luck.
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@drafterman
By "following night phase" do you mean the nightphase after this dayphase ends?
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After some consideration, VTNL seems all around our best option here.
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With one townie down I'm not sure it's in our best interest to keep the DP going. VTNL?
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notice how he still doesn't respond to this post: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240255
Why can't he just admit that he was wrong instead of going rogue? Don't want to hammer yet though. I want more opinions.
I'll be off for a while
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I'm remaining calm, but you are changing your tides. You said you scumread me, then you say you never explicitly scum read me, but then say the opposite.
Nope. I've stayed 100% consistent dude.
want to know what your read is on me. I have a scum read on you right now. Tell me what your read is
Nothing definitive but you're my strongest scum read with your reactions here.
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@Vader
So are you or are you not scumreading me. You are being confusing lol
The more you talk the more I want to.
Why can't you engage with my actual reasoning? (Well I know why, your original claim is without merit, so now you're going rogue.)
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@Speedrace
This isn't true at all lol. Some people are just hard to read
Not sure whether that's a compliment or insult. Still, not sure why he has nothing to bring to the table on this.
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@Vader
The point is I never said I did explicitly. You're jumping to lots of conclusions.
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@Vader
I have a general idea of most peoples. Not really sure why I'm so hard to read.
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@Vader
Soooo... Now you're scumreading me because I'm not scumreading you explicitly when you initially scumread me for scumreading you.
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@Vader
You're legit being a hypocrite if you're gonna scum read for the same thing you are getting mad at Bullish for
Now you're jumping to conclusions. I never said I scumread you.
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I didn't say it's abnormal, I just am not used to MisterChris's play to determine if it is abnormal or not.
This rubs me the wrong way. Supa has played 8 games with me total. He should be able to read me by now.
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@Vader
From my knowledge, no action have been taken DP1. It's best to leave mafia guessing versus being informed so we have a better chance of getting mafia.
Again. We agree. Unless it's useful to reveal the info we shouldn't. I say that someone claiming is useful info if they're being scummy asf. So there we are.
And this is not true. You put a wiki link about irony humor, and I said Bullish has never been the humorous type, as he get mad over Luna calling me a cunt nugget. In no way was that a defense, in fact, it was more a joking critique, something that you did, yet you are somewhat targeting me, seems a bit hypocritical in my opinion
Your claim: "There was nothing about my post that indicated a defense of Bullish. Since you interpreted it that way, you are overly aggressive"
- there was plenty to indicate you were giving a somewhat limited defense of his behavior
-->@BullishLook I'm not going to put you through a Humor 101 course but....If you wanna scumread this go for it.Town is fucked
Post #120 (Literally two posts later, within plain view): https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240125
Anyway... even though what I said was a joke, we can still use it as if it was a gambit. We had a good variety of reactions in there.Pie's confused reaction reads town to me, and Whiteflame is rubbing me a bit more town with his reaction... Whiteflame didn't catch the joke initially but he dropped it when he got it.Bullish is my biggest scum read now, for refusing to accept that his prime mislynch candidate was lost because everyone just got r/woooooshed (Not to mention him just dropping a vote on me with no explanation)
YOUR POST: #124 (4 posts later) https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5563/post-links/240132
-->@MisterChris@whiteflameBullish got mad at Lunatic for the word cunt nugget, so humor isn't really his cup of tea
Tell me how this doesn't read as you poking a hole in that theory.
- even if it doesn't, how does me interpreting it that way translate to me targeting you aggressively? How am I targeting you? I asked you a couple extremely reasonable questions based on a post you made, which upon hearing them you immediately launched your "MisterChris is aggressive" shtick. I have simply defended myself since then.
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@Vader
You also said why shouldn't we push claims. No where did you imply that it was only for a certain behavior, you said, why shouldn't we push for claims
I said:
You're basically repeating "we don't know a lot therefore don't claim" over & over. Tell me, why precisely shouldn't we claim?
I said this because you seemed to put a blanket "no-no" on claiming DP1 and I wanted to know why we shouldn't. You never gave us a real articulated reason until I asked for it.
You took a response to #118 about Bullish not being able to take a joke as me defending Bullish.
Ultimately if you extrapolated that statement to its logical conclusion it conflicts with the idea that we should scumread Bullish for his behavior so far, hence my "defense." Furthermore, you never said you were responding to #118 ONLY in the post. You wrote that response after I had said I lightly scumread Bullish. There was no reason for me to think you were only talking about #118 in isolation.
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@Vader
I understand that, but it doesn't explain why you put a vote on him. Bullish hasn't put a vote on Chris despite him reading it as serious and he struggles with reading sarcasm and humor as well. I have no issue with that, but my issue comes with the VTL
Bullish has been voted for me for a while
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@Vader
MisterChris's aggression is weird, but I don't scum read it.
I... what? Aggression? I asked you a couple questions lol
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@Vader
I am not against claiming, I just don't think we hunt just to hunt in DP1. We need to analyze behavior extremely and not produced half whim role claims to generate activity
OK cool. So if there is suspicious behavior to a certain threshold, we can & should request claims. We agree with eachother. I'm not for claiming for the sake of activity either.
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@Vader
FYI I believe claiming in this game just gives mafia much more of an advantage and if you think logically, you know why. There's a lot about the game we don't know about scum versus what scum know about us. This is so much of a what if game that claiming is ultimately a detriment in DP1. I, again, think claiming in DP1 is stupid and will abide by this notion and this applies especially true about this game
You're basically repeating "we don't know a lot therefore don't claim" over & over. Tell me, why precisely shouldn't we claim?
Furthermore, if we don't claim, what exactly do you suppose we do to scumhunt DP1?
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@Vader
I said:
Bullish is my biggest scum read now, for refusing to accept that his prime mislynch candidate was lost because everyone just got r/woooooshed (Not to mention him just dropping a vote on me with no explanation)
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Bullish got mad at Lunatic for the word cunt nugget, so humor isn't really his cup of tea
The critique is implied.
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@Vader
Hey, it's not a fantastic read. He's just my biggest.
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Anyway... even though what I said was a joke, we can still use it as if it was a gambit. We had a good variety of reactions in there.
Pie's confused reaction reads town to me, and Whiteflame is rubbing me a bit more town with his reaction... Whiteflame didn't catch the joke initially but he dropped it when he got it.
Bullish is my biggest scum read now, for refusing to accept that his prime mislynch candidate was lost because everyone just got r/woooooshed (Not to mention him just dropping a vote on me with no explanation)
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@Bullish
Look I'm not going to put you through a Humor 101 course but....
If you wanna scumread this go for it.
Town is fucked
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@gugigor
Yeahhh... David & I were supposed to debate but ultimately he had to cancel, so Speed and I are doing it instead
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Just kidding guys I'm a day phase role like everyone else!
I thought this would be such an obvious joke it would need no explaining.
I am indeed a twilight phase role. I was kidding.
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@Speedrace
Just kidding guys I'm a day phase role like everyone else!
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@Speedrace
Shouldn't have said that. Twilight phase is in-between the flip and the NP and very few roles use it
Oh. Welp.
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@Bullish
What he said.^^^
You have arrived, therefore UNVOTE.
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@warren42
hmm. That's weird. Looking at my role I'm not sure what that reason would be
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Or he could just set it to the tune of The Anacreontic Song... because why not?
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@ILikePie5
oh that clears it up. Not sure why even have a night phase then but OK
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@ILikePie5
Because this a game based on day roles, there probably is a daytime investigator who can start us off if they’d like.
I do want to know what results we have for day time roles (if they're helpful.)
I will say that my role operates during a "twilight phase".... Gonna guess that's what Drafter is substituting for a night phase.
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@drafterman
@warren42
Warren & Bullish still AWOL.
VTL Warren.
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@Danielle
When I finish my debate on cybersecurity with Undefeatable, I could use your vote. I'll send you the link when we finish
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Waken, lords and ladies gay,
On the mountain dawns the day;
All the jolly chase is here
With hawk and horse and hunting-spear;
Hounds are in their couples yelling,
Hawks are whistling, horns are knelling,
Merrily merrily mingle they,
‘Waken, lords and ladies gay.’
Waken, lords and ladies gay,
The mist has left the mountain gray,
Springlets in the dawn are steaming,
Diamonds on the brake are gleaming;
And foresters have busy been
To track the buck in thicket green;
Now we come to chant our lay
‘Waken, lords and ladies gay.’
‘Waken, lords and ladies gay,
To the greenwood haste away;
We can show you where he lies,
Fleet of foot and tall of size;
We can show the marks he made
When ’gainst the oak his antlers fray’d;
You shall see him brought to bay;
‘Waken, lords and ladies gay.’
Louder, louder chant the lay,
Waken, lords and ladies gay!
Tell them youth and mirth and glee
Run a course as well as we;
Time, stern huntsman! who can baulk,
Stanch as hound and fleet as hawk;
Think of this, and rise with day
Gentle lords and ladies gay!
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So certain people can kill or investigate during the day phase? This will be interesting...
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@gugigor
I think he will be beaten at one point, as Oromagi was. I don't think that says much about his skill level though (he's good). There's always a bigger fish.
I think I'll end up challenging him when I hit the 45 or 50 debate mark.
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@Undefeatable
Getting better requires practice. If you look at my first few debates on this site, i was not nearly as good as I am now and it earned me a few losses.
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