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@oromagi
@Speedrace
True. Oromagi, where do you read on your own quiz?
- You are Town.
- You win with Town
- You win with the Town
CONFEDERATEorUNION
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@SirAnonymous
That may be precisely the sort of reasoning he is counting on you having. Speed is quite experienced from my understanding and knows admitting Confederate wouldn't be a huge scum tell. That said I don't want to jump to hasty conclusions so I'm going to wait and see what the others say
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@SirAnonymous
That's a fair opinion. I like to throw out some ideas here and there though
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Then, of course, there is the possibility Speed is lying about his pro-town alignment. If we continue to get more Union town members that will be a good indicator of whether or not he is being truthful.
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With Speed's recent claim that makes the theme a bit harder to define. I have a couple of theories:
North vs. South Heritage
Good vs. Bad Generals (performance, morals, etc)
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@Vader
The only rapper that can challenge eminem
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@TNBinc
Any reason? Typically we base our decision on reasoning so we get more accurate judgments about whether or not people are scum.
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@SirAnonymous
Don't worry I understood you... Last game we collectively could only get two votes in before mafia conceded. Very unusual from what people have told me
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@SirAnonymous
Well, this being my 2nd game, my record is only like 50/50 so far
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@TNBinc
Is this day period one? is everybody now voting on who to remove?
This is DP1. The Town must discuss and decide who is the "scummiest" or most useful person to lynch.
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@Vader
For some reason you insta-voting Bear is hilarious to me
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@Lunatic
drunk af, won't post anything substantive til tomorrow afternoon. Love yall
Don't drive!
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@SirAnonymous
You just called a vote mod a horse?
A title I will graciously accept
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@oromagi
@SirAnonymous
Win with town, Union. I agree that it is most likely that we have a Union vs. Confederacy or North vs. South Heritage split. We will see if we have any outliers
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Howdy everyone! It's time for some epic geopolitical turmoil
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@skittlez09
Yeah but you can always sign up to be a replacement
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Debate nominations:
- Congressional Term Limits
bsh1 vs. blamonkey - Is Jesus the Messiah?
Dustandashes vs. Virtuoso - Legalized Abortion
Vector vs. MisterChris
Forum noms:
Miscellaneous noms:
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@Vader
The experience definitely helps. The only reason I could play this at all frankly was because I read a ton of info on the mafia wiki LOL
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@Pattern
Yeah fr. I was pretty convinced Ragnar was town. I had my suspicions with bearman, but it wouldn't have been a stretch to get us to mislynch Croc and others.
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I thought Supa's moderation was fine, but I can see how it would be frustrating from mafia perspective. Even still, quitting altogether? That is kind of jumping the gun imo.
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@Pattern
Yeah I guess the lurkers make it seem a bit bandwagoney when they show up every other day to drop their VTL lol. I think you're right that more high effort players would get rid of that
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@Pattern
And yeah, I saw a Civil War theme and had to get in on that action
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@Pattern
It's fun, if not a bit convoluted and sometimes kind of bandwagoney. I'll keep playing I think
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I think the mafia team did play well. I was gonna end up lynching Pie regardless so can't really comment on the day extensions though
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@Pattern
What? No. I was letting Supa know of their resignation.
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@Vader
It was a great gameA shameMust we resign for defameSo without further adoCan you let this game end through and through. It was aUnanimous decision from theMafia team
Letting you know of their resignation
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As it stands I'm going to maintain my vote on Pie and urge investigation into Croc. As others said, Croc may be faking his role, although I initially didn't give it much thought because he has been very consistent.
Here is a quote from a previous post of mine on Croc:
"I'm a bit skeptical of jumping on the lynch train right now. Croc may have not done himself any favors being lurky but Croc's role and results make sense. Croc also hinted before at being Kakashi (remember when he said "I am Naruto's teacher") So at least he's been consistent. IDK, maybe I'm just not sensing something here that others are. Anyway, he is a viable candidate for roleblock... Just to see what happens."
However, what I didn't really think about was there are at least 4 teachers of Naruto in the series.
It's a very smart breadcrumb for a mafia because, as the game progresses, he can figure out which of these characters would or wouldn't get counterclaimed. I'm not sure if Croc has a history of coming up with really smart fake claims, but this would've been a great one. It's at least worth the look.
Another thing, I am skeptical of skittlez and his Rock Lee claim. Rock Lee is one of the most popular characters in the entire series.. I would think he gets a better role than "vanilla."
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@oromagi
Didn't expect to see my first debate up here. Glad you enjoyed
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@Vader
I second the "Ragnar is the natural alpha male of this website" selection for the Miscellaneous category.
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@Barney
Grey - I trust him too since evidently he was right about who you visited. I wouldn't use roleblock or lynch.
Chris- Must've been the sexy jutsu distracting you lol
Pie- Indeed. Too much pressure on him as it is.
Pattern- Even though Pattern and I have butt heads here I'm pretty convinced he is town at this time. You can refer to my post here for a couple reasons why: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4700/post-links/196716. He says he is vanilla so... I wouldn't waste my roleblock but it's up to you.
Croc- I'm a bit skeptical of jumping on the lynch train right now. Croc may have not done himself any favors being lurky but Croc's role and results make sense. Croc also hinted before at being Kakashi (remember when he said "I am Naruto's teacher") So at least he's been consistent. IDK, maybe I'm just not sensing something here that others are. Anyway, he is a viable candidate for roleblock... Just to see what happens.
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@ILikePie5
Oro laid out a pretty good case against you, and the truth is even if you aren't scum it informs us more about the theme split. At the moment I'm not so sure about the Croc alternative.. I'll keep observing that situation... but for now you're the best candidate imo.
A lot can change by tomorrow night so who knows if you'll be lynched or not honestly.
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@oromagi
A Pie lynch does have a lot of utility. But does his behavior match that of his mafia meta?
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@Intelligence_06
And yes, it is mafia
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@Intelligence_06
He has an old account that he wants to reopen.
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Pattern is wound up a bit too tight and makes a ton of random accusations, but I don't know if I buy Pattern being scum with Croc.
The guy hasn't really made an effort to seem friendly with Croc and has spent most of the game throwing him under the bus. If Pattern or Croc are scum, it's one or the other, but I doubt both. Plus, Pattern has had opportunities to jump on a wagon but didn't. Like arguing against a policy lynch with Speed at first before slowly converting over. I feel like if he were scum he would jump at the idea to lynch Speed immediately, but instead he argued that a policy lynch is not a good precedent to set.
Soooo, really, I think there is only like a 30% chance Pattern is scum.
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@skittlez09
I don't believe that Rock Lee would be vanilla. Can you provide a detailed description of what Supa sent to you?
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@ILikePie5
So far it seems to be holding up alright. And there really is no alternative. That said, we need more info. VTL Skittlez
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@Pattern
Gaara and Sasuke came around as good guys. She didn't
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@Pattern
Oh that's true, totally forgot about Pie. Yeah as I said it would be an easy way to test the theme split.
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