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@Discipulus_Didicit
Oh yeah... i've never had any restrictions on my computer so i always forget they do that. I guess you're right, it's "adult content" but def. not porn which is the point of me sharing that... even that isn't considered to be porn. Youtube would ban it if it were porn. I guess unintentionally i kinda brought about another issue we could talk about... does this sites "CoC" not allow that video? Idk... i think it should. It's funny and they are gods of their music genre.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Yeah... but Youtube allows it... and they are censor heavy... especially when it comes to adult content.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Yes!!! Finally something good... no offense bsh.
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@Mopac
I stand by my assessment.
This is why i agree with the OP and why he's right. "Assessment" ... you have to end with that? A simple you disagree would get a lot more respect from people. Instead you end it with the most judge-y word you could use. Okay great master... i accept your 'assessment' ... smh.
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@Mopac
You love the creature more than the creator. I stand by my assessment.
I don't believe there is "a creator." So your assessment isn't off, it's just not nuanced.
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@Mopac
You don't really know Jesus.
Why do you get to define how i know Jesus? Plus, when you asked me to define... i gave you one definition i hold of him "love." I also think he was a person that stood in the face of the greedy and powerful. I also think he is a story of selflessness. And other things. I've read his story.
it would be hell because you are attached to death.
Quite the contrary... i understand without death there is no fear. One can even say without death it's bliss. But i also think without death there is no new experience and/or "truly" experiencing an experience. Death is the most brilliant creation an eternal entity discovered to experience what it knows... and also explore who he/she is. Being eternal (no more death) is just as frightening as being afraid to die for the finite imho. Yin and Yang. They work beautifully together.
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@Mopac
Timeless would be frightening. The implications of timeless would mean you'd know everything simultaneously. I don't think that would be a good state to be in... even if it's possible for consciousness to be timeless. I think since we have tasted the state of being finite and bound within some form of time... it would be tortures to go back to any state of timelessness. Then, there is the paradox of how can you be timeless and still think... not possible bc knowing, imagining, being, are all temporal process that require some form of time. The best would be if everything happens and is known simultaneously... a state hard to imagine but conceivable. However, it's also sorta easy to imagine being timeless is no fun if it means you are everything in the moment. You can look at it as being in a state that is the ultimate spoiler. Can some handle this state... maybe, but i know i can't. That would be classified under one of my hell scenarios in regards to being timeless. Being timeless and eternal would classify as a worse hell imho. That's what i have to say about timelessness at least from my perspective.Eternity the way we understand it is timeless.
Thanks for the definition. I don't believe it happened, but it is a hopeful and powerful story... making it timeless. If it did happen i'd shake such a person's hand for such bravery. I actually quite like Jesus' story... i just don't think it actually happened in this reality. At least the resurrection part. I don't think anyone has come back after complete death. We don't have to get into this bc we already have... my logic is the same as what we started with... people lie and are greedy for power.The very Word of God incarnate, conquering death by death and His resurrection, bringing into himself all things and reconciling all to God.
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@Stronn
For those who love the Lord, His Presence will be infinite joy, paradise and eternal life.
This is a common one i get. Some people define paradise different. No one (from abrahamic faiths) really thinks of the implications of being infinite tho. I wouldn't put "joy" and "infinite" together without "finite" being a part of the deal. But that's just me. Who knows what others would enjoy.
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@Mopac
Idk, what do you say?So who do you say Jesus Chriist is?
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@blamonkey
Depending on how horny i am... public beaches are kinda like strip clubs... especially in So Cal =)
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@Mopac
I want you too find the right way, and that is nothing I will profit from. You would be in err to ascribe impure motives to my actions.
I think i already told you somewhere in this thread that i do not think you are doing this with any nefarious reasons. I truly think you are doing this out of a place of kindness, and maybe even love in some form... you are trying to be what you preach. That is why i respect you. However, i am telling you i have found my way... that i've spent years finding what that peace is. It all comes down to accepting yourself... but, when i say that, it's actually really deep. Bc i do think "yourself" is infinite. So i find it's very important to define what that means. That is why i always ask you to define 'heaven' ... not many people think like me but a lot of people talk about an eternal heaven. I've defined what that means, i'm just curious if others have too... i've found many haven't.
The first part of our conversation was constructive... the part about corrupt humans. We may not fully agree, but i think you understand what i meant. But this part we haven't gone far on, defining heaven/hell... and that's okay. I was just wondering how much you've thought of it. If not much, then whatever... i'm cool with that. But stop presupposing i don't know what i'm talking about. These two issue are king to me; that i have my expertise on this subject on. All of the scripture you throw at me and anything else doesn't matter... bc mostly i agree too btw. It's my understand of who i am to eternity that matters to me the most. On top of that, who i trust help me find that meaning is very important and has put me down a path of human sociology and psychology. Your faith does to a level, but not all the way. You should know that too bc you should know your faith isn't too specific on defining heaven... which is cool. But that issue matters "a lot" to me. It's just who i am. I can't deny that i have this ability (or blessing) to understand these implications. In understanding them too... i have never been closer to "god" than anytime before. I'm sure that might sound familiar to you, we just do it differently. We have different expertise. I just wish people can accept those differences bc that is where the beauty is.
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@Mopac
You still don't get it. It's your belief, it's your heaven, everything you have defined in your head and read on paper that you hold true... is yours. Not mine. I do not share in your belief and i have been defining and telling you why... i don't even care if you don't have an answer for my contentions... i just let them be known. I accept you have found your heaven... your belief. You don't accept mine and want me to change. Why? And for the hundredth time... which shows how little you know and continue to dismiss.... the last thing i would want to be is god. Especially as defined by your faith. I just want to continue being myself bc i accept who i am. Period. It's really simple.I am not important, outplayz. I am not trying to make myself something. You on the other hand make yourself out to be god. Who is really trying to make themselves feel bigger?
We don't hold the same values. It would be a mistake for you to project your values on to me.
I know full well what projection is and when i do it... i am not projecting anything onto you. I accept your values. Period. You don't accept mine. Why?
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@Mopac
Said the man who worshipped himsellf as god and encouraged others to so the same.
Straw man... i encourage people to accept themselves as who they are and that it's okay that others are different. So, gtfo of here... you have nothing but blind faith telling people to bow to your words so you can feel bigger.
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@3RU7AL
Depends if the person is willing to sacrifice their right (many are in my opinion - depending on what they get in return). It should never be taken away against ones will / deceptively taken away. If humanity must survive off people's misery, than humanity is currently sick and shouldn't whine when bad things happen.Should one person's rights be sacrificed for the potential benefit of humanity?
A person is an individual that can define themselves from there.What is a person exactly?
What is the basis of human rights?
Allow humanity to live this life how they please within the structures of this reality.
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@Mopac
“The most dangerous of all enthroned lies is the holy, the sanctified, the privileged lie- the lie everyone believes to be a model truth. It is the fruitful mother of all other popular errors and delusions. It is a hydra-headed tree of unreason with a thousand roots. it is a social cancer!”
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@Mopac
"The real joke is your stubborn, bone deep conviction that somehow, somewhere, all of this makes sense! That’s what cracks me up each time!"
The Joker.
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I think someone is getting sexual fantasies from a photo and doesn't know how to deal with it... LOL... how is that ripped hunk of a man adult content roflmao...
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@Mopac
Pride of self quite naturally brings forth the fruit of arbitrariness.
Keep teaching people to be weak so you can feel strong.
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@Mopac
Your heaven is a delusion brought about by your folly.
Until you can define what heaven is... i can't take you seriously. We've gone through two of my grievances with Christianity. I've told you it's not in my nature to trust flawed man and that i accept my existence as who i am. Everything you are saying is for me to basically stop being who i am bc you know better... that's truly laughable. Delusions brought about by folly huh...
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@Mopac
There are three types of believers.
Or, there are people that accept they are flawed and that it's okay. But anyways, i still don't know what you mean. If you need to put your trust in another that's fine. If you would rather not know what heaven is, that's fine. If you'd rather not define how you define the truth in regards to the heaven it will give you... fine. But don't think for one second i have to be like you. I'd rather put my trust in that i know how to define my heaven. I will continue to be who i am and i am okay with that even if it hurts being flawed. It's really simple. I'm more worried about every other heaven, not mine.
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@Mopac
Who do you say Jesus Christ is?
What does "heaven is jesus" mean? The rest doesn't matter. I have many ways i can define Jesus. One way is love. So... heaven is love? But again that is moot bc i would then ask what does that mean. I can define my heaven... i want to know if you can define yours so i can consider it.
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Take it from someone that has been addicted to a lot of shit... It's not about "quitting" ... it's about becoming its master.
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@RationalMadman
I agree with you. I just liked the flows, and Em!.. of course. The song Logic did with Joyner Lucas was pretty sick tho. I liked that dark chorus drop it does.
Joyner Lucas - ISIS (Lyrics) ft Logic (ADHD)
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@Mopac
Jesus Christ is heaven.
So, someone else is your heaven... cool. What does that mean?
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@Mopac
It's not really funny per se... it just fits into my belief (this reality is what it is) and it's happening. Can you define heaven?To you this conversation must be a big joke. The fact that it is not a joke to me must be very funny to you.
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@Mopac
That was a joke... I'm a dream within a dream. There are implications if a dream never shutoff.The very idea of adding to infinity is nonsensical.
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@Mopac
Heaven is mercy.Hell is torment.
There are so many ways i can interpret that... i don't even know where to start with you. I'm not talking to you to try to change your mind or your faith. I'm just telling you what i believe. My belief is purely made off the implications of my 'soul' plus infinity. That's what i've spent years pondering and analyzing. I clearly understand the concepts above and agree with you from certain angles... but, plus infinity man.
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@Mopac
Depending on how "heaven" is defined... this is a mercy.suffering that comes with dying for eternity
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@Mopac
True heaven is a lot better than whatever you imagine it to be. It is also a lot better than what you wish it would be instead.
See now, the conversation has totally changed from talking about human implications to something you have no clue. This is were my expertise in spiritual matters applies. I've spent my whole life trying to define "heaven" and the afterlife. And to add... i'm not impressed with Christianity's interpretation. I really don't think you understand the implications of paradise. It isn't the "a lot better" part you should worry about.
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@Mopac
Okay, then... everything you said i will believe. I really am. Why isn't my heaven allowed then? My heaven is simply being infinite as who i am... but the beautify is, who i am times infinity is really something to behold. And, the only way that is true... and, i'm not in hell.. is everyone else exists in their own image.
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@Mopac
That's good. Present day you really, really, need humble and good people to run the Church. But no matter how hard anyone tries... a corrupted human will find their way to your church. I find it's a good thing you say your church is vigilant of such things. Evil never sleeps is a saying right.We have this sort of understanding built into the church.
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@Mopac
If you don't trust anyone other than yoursellf
That's obviously not true. I do trust others. I just acknowledge they are just as flawed as i am... if not more and possibly less. With that i tread carefully.
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@Mopac
What i'm saying to you has nothing to do with belief of spiritual topics. I do NOT believe humans. I believe the vast majority of humans are good and bad. In that, i do not trust any religion is perfect and not corrupted by the darkness that's in almost all of us. It's foolish to put your trust in other people... especially people you've never met to even size them up for their words. If there is a god... he, she, he/she... gave me all the answers within myself... if i search for it i should be able to find it. I've been searching all my life. When it comes to belief... i have an iron clad grasp on it. There is no incredulity there... the only thing i am challenging is the people you are telling me, tell you, that ultimately... i'm wrong. I don't trust them. I don't think they truly understand the implications of god. I wish this was face to face so i could explain myself fully to you, so in a way... i wish you didn't have incredulity towards what i know.incredulity
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@Mopac
I think part of that appreciation is to not be proud about what you feel you accomplished all on your own.
I don't believe god is holding my hand through my experience(s). Nor would i ever ask him to or want him to. My hopes for any god is that they are happy being who they are. If who they are is to guide my experience, then i'm appreciative (but also feel very sorry they are cursed to such a role - it truly makes me sad if someone so powerful would be cursed to infinity in such a way). In any case, i can't be anything more until we sit together and have a nice conversation over a glass of whiskey. I don't understand what more god would want... i'm totally empathetic to such a being.
If greed and power was our motivation, we wouldn't have come up with the idea of churvh and state needing to be seperate. If hreed and power was our motivation, our bishops would not be selected among monastics who literally give up all their possessions and swear to always obey the abbot. Quite the opposite, it is those who shun power and wealth that are made unto bishops, and their duty largely consists of guarding the faith from being corrupted.
Like i said, you put too much trust in humans that wear garments and have titles. They are human nonetheless and fallible. And, at this point, we are talking about evolved humans that know better (so i agree with you they may majority wise be good people). But, I still don't trust current day humans fully... but, go back 2000 or more years... you really think those monkeys wouldn't do anything for power and greed? Like i said, my beef is with who wrote it and specifically (bc i think these people are worse) promulgated it. I'm 99% sure they easily fell to greed and power in their time. This isn't to say there is nothing spiritual about these texts... but, i'm confident it's been corrupted by the fallibility of man.
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@Mopac
You have no power thst was not given to you by God
If that's true... then, thanks god. Done. Don't need anything beyond appreciation.
Who do you say you are?
You understand that's a really complicated questions right? Can you get a little more specific? I mean, i can fill a couple pages with my positives and negatives. Maybe that's a good starting point. Who i am is both my positives and negatives.
I am certainly not interested in having power over you.
Oh, almost forgot about this one. I never said you do... you can even be doing this out of kindness and love. It's the humans that wrote it then (maybe more specifically) promulgated it i question. Just look around dude... how many humans do you trust when it comes to keeping their greed and power?
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@Mopac
Well, i know what it means to me. I can translate what you gave me in a way that i would agree with the quote you put up. Sure, trust in "good" and shun "evil" ... that's how i define all of it. At that point i agree with the quote. But the point is you didn't use the quote in that regard... you're using it to tell me to not trust myself, you're using it in a way to take power away from me and to tell me i'm weak without someone else... in that i vehemently disagree... in that, i see the corrupted hand of man seeking power over other humans. No true good god would demand that of me knowing who i am.Do you know what that means?
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@Mopac
Fear the LORD
"You seem to delight in seeing other people suffer. And you treat life like a disposable commodity! You destroy homes. You take the lives of innocent, peace-loving people. You even take the lives of children. And all of this for your own amusement of personal gain! Well, now, it's your turn!"
Only humans would tell me to fear another entity... those aren't god's words you shared, it's a humans.
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@Mopac
I'm saying that you determine your beliefs based on whether or not it sounds nice to you.
My belief simply revolves around the implications of infinity. And since we are talking about "my" beliefs there will of course be parts that sound nice to me... but, you're not fully paying attention if you think i have a "nice" belief. There are most definitely parts that don't sound nice to me that i'll have to endure... but i accept that's part of the experience and will continue to deal with it and defeat it every time. The conclusion i've come to isn't heaven man... i accept i will be infinitely struggling. In this life (my current paradise), and if there is a next... i'll deal with that too. So, of course it sounds nice to me in that regard when it empowers me to stay strong and focused.
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@Mopac
I don't understand what you mean enough to comment.Sounds to me like what guides your beliefnis a personal sense of aesthetics.
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It's funny how people debate this topic. What are you going to do? What is the end goal? Is your end goal a delusion? In my humble opinion, erasing 300 million plus guns is a delusion. The question comes down to who should own one and who shouldn't... we already have laws for that. Debating those laws i'm okay with... as long as it hurts criminals and not those protecting themselves against criminals. Most laws proposed only hurt law abiding citizens bc people are stuck in the delusion we can go back in time. It's just a stupid debate... and, i'm progressive for the most part for goodness sake. Guns aren't going anywhere.... actually, guns will continue to evolve as we do. You better hope you have something over a 308 once the A.I. apocalypse happens. Who knows what the future holds... but erasing these weapons ain't going to happen. I know how to make one in my garage now... it's not that hard.
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@janesix
It depends on what you are trying to learn. It takes 5 to 10 years to truly master an art. Some people are just naturals and can do it faster, but that's the timeline if you have to learn it from the ground up (at least that i've noticed). I've done other martial arts like Karate, or taekwondo... and those take time to master. They are more like gymnastics in the sense that you have to learn movements and other challenges that are more "showy" ... But ultimately from all my experience, I would recommend either kickboxing (muay thai) or jujitsu.
Jujitsu is more a one on one fighting style, Muay Thai you can mess a lot of people up. For 47, i would recommend kickboxing. You would be past your prime, but you can still learn to mess people up with Muay Thai / kickboxing. That sport utilizes the most devastating punches and kicks. It's basically what you need to know. There is no showy stuff, there is no "art" really... it's just... this punch knocks a person out once you got it, this kick will blow a person's knee out... learn it.
These two martial arts i think you can learn at any age. Jujitsu is a lot more complicated so if you want an ongoing challenge go with that... but, if you just want a damn good workout at the same time as learning things that would mess people up... i would go with kickboxing / Muay Thai. I'm more a stand up fighter so i have that bias. I just don't like rolling on the ground with others... since i'm not trying to be pro... i don't want to get skin infections from doing that... bc you may. I'd rather i have the most knock out power in my kicks and punches. But, it's good to at least try wrestling or Jujitsu to know how to get back on your feet... there are gyms that teach both. Knowing the fundamentals of ground game will help you stay on your feet.
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@Mopac
I wonder if you'll feel the same as an old man who has others changing his diapers.
Come on man, being a person that is on debate sites you should know this statement is a fallacy. But i get how in this context it's not too much a fallacy. But yes, that person depends on others... but most importantly, that person isn't me... and if it were, i would still be in control. Just bc people have to help me exist a little longer doesn't change that. Plus, if it were me i would die before i got to that point... trust me, i know how to die if i want to. It would be my choice to even get to that level of dependence.
None of you truly understand my belief. In part bc i don't explain it fully, and in part bc you have your own. There is nothing that happens in this reality that isn't through my eyes. Once that stops i don't exist anymore. So, whatever the experience is... i'm going through it. With whatever help, with whatever guidance, i'm going through it. In that sense it's a solipsistic belief. It's kinda a community solipsism. I don't know how to really define it other than i'm the observer and will experience what i experience in any reality / anything reality throws at me. If it's not me anymore, i'm dead and gone. But there is nuance in that too... that's why i bring up silly analogies. I would truly be a vampire. I would truly be Joker. So who am i ultimately? I can't think of anything past an infinite observer having finite experiences (that is, if you ask me to define paradise).
That is how i define god. Not that i'm god bc that's the last thing i'd ever want to be. I define god as the ultimate reality too... it's just my definition of reality is different than yours... but in this ultimate reality... both of us are who we are. But again... who am i and who are you? That's the question. Are we infinitely the same, or are we infinitely different? Would it not be hell if we were infinitely the same? It would be to me, and if it's not to you... i don't know what to say. Other than i don't ever want to be you in that case. It's really simple for me... either i die and i'm gone, or i die and continue to be who i am. But who i am is really complicated if we add in infinity.
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@Mopac
That's like saying i can't live without my parents. I don't understand why you think it's right to say you can't do anything on your own... that's just not right. If there is a god that manifested my being into existence that's one thing, but other than that... i'm in control. With help of course, and if i'm getting divine help, cool... high five god... but i don't need a sky daddy, i got this. I'm sure if there is a god... he respects my individuality.But it is not wrong to say you can do nothing on your own. You can't even live on your own. Your very existence was given to you and is sustained by God.
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@Mopac
No i'm not-ish (of course i take things for granted). I just understand what i rely on and who i put that burden on.
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@bsh1
Yeah i caught onto that when Rational pointed it out. I'm bad at picking up joke stuff online. Makes me feel good it made you chuckle bc i wanted my statement to be sincere, but if it had a hint of comedy to it too... then all the better.
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@Mopac
You can do nothing on your own.
I don't believe you.
The love part and all that's fine, and if he's bored... have fun watching me i guess. But the above i don't believe you.
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