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@AustinL0926
Maybe you thought you could recruit while also not making yourself suspicious. Maybe you thought claiming governor would make you be suspected as a recruiter. Maybe recruiting is a faction perk you can't take for granted and not your normal role.
IF IM SCUM THEN GAME ENDS WITH MY HAMMERSO WHY IS HE TOWNREADING ANYONE WHO HAMMERS ME
If he thinks you're scum, why wouldn't he give people every incentive to lynch you? He's taking the pressure off and putting it on himself.
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@AustinL0926
I'm also going to point out that going by Wylted's absurd logic, he could just as easily be a recruiter who needs me to be lynched today in order to insta-win.
Ok, but it's an argument for lynching the most suspicious player first. Right now that's you, even if your role might have some benefit if you are town.
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I think that puts Austin at L-1. Result seems pretty inevitable at this point but I guess we still have until Feb 8.
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@AustinL0926
Will do that if I'm still alive, but I doubt I will be. Everyone else, if Austin is town, we owe him that much.
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@AustinL0926
Vote for yourself, and we'll lynch WyIted tmrw.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Yeah, risk of recruiting or some secret power is a risk I'm not willing to take at this point. And I'll likely be dead tomorrow, so the only thing I can really control is who I vote for today. WyIted is striking me as town, but if Austin is town and I'm somehow alive tomorrow, he'll be on the chopping block.
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@Vader
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
You could have a recruiting role for all we know.
Fair point. This could be the scum benefit. Sorry Austin, it's just not worth the risk.
VTL Austin
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Imagine if scum's benefit from not being on the wagon is ending the game day 2 when there's one scum member left. I mean, I don't think so though.
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@WyIted
You know, what the heck. WyIted, let's get a full claim from you.
VTL WyIted
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
WyIted is in my PoE. I mean I see merit to what Austin is saying, but I can see pros and cons to either approach as I already stated. Depending on what the rest of the town decides, I'm fine going after either, but I'm staying off the wagon. That said, I'm likely going to be tonight's kill.
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@AustinL0926
I mean, anyone we lynch could also be a town player that uses their role tonight. And targeting someone else this DP means we reveal more about our roles to scum, who have a role blocker.
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@AustinL0926
Or I just fakeclaim something else and NK you if I'm scum?
Night killing me is obvious, but you might want to plan for a contingency where someone else has a more powerful role, or goes really aggressively against you, etc. This isn't the only or even main reason why I find your claim suspicious, but it's something you might have considered. In hindsight of course you messed up if you are scum, but you didn't know we would react to your claim this way.
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@AustinL0926
If you're town, we're lynching you plus two other people. I'd rather lynch those other two people later after we get another night to use our roles, know how they vote on you, have another DP of information, etc. Clearing a single other player doesn't do much imo, because scum can kill them as well as role block. They could RB you and kill me or any number of things. Then we used one of our lynches this day phase without much to go off of.
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@AustinL0926
I mean you could kill the claimed tracker, but supposing someone else comes up that you want to kill, then the tracker becomes a big inconvenience for you if you claim something other than JK or town role blocker.
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@AustinL0926
And WyIted has a point that you didn't clear me until I was already cleared by my claim. Maybe you're town and you didn't get online in time, but it increases the odds that you're scum being opportunistic.
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@WyIted
Vader is basically cleared for the immediate claim.
While I suspect Austin more, I don't think Vader is cleared. If he's the ninja, for example, he can expect a watcher or tracker so gravedigger is a pretty safe claim.
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@AustinL0926
Let's play out this hypothetical where you're scum: Redirector could get you caught by the tracker. You wouldn't be able to confirm the rest, putting you under further suspicion. With jail keeper, you can at least "role confirm" and hope people go for more "unconfirmed" targets, and you can play the WIFOM game. So while JK runs the risk of being scummy, it's also the only claim that has a chance of getting you town read due to how it somewhat role confirms you and your apparent transparency up front. And you need to take that risk in hopes of getting out of PoE, because you're part of a narrow PoE and the only scum left.
Also if the argument for your innocence is that you wouldn't do anything obvious as scum, then this role claim does nothing to improve your odds of being town. You could have already made the argument that "as scum, I'd never be obvious about defending Greyparrot." But you did defend him, which would be an obvious move for scum. Before you claimed, it was clear that if you were scum you were willing to take big risks.
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@AustinL0926
I would've just claimed some other role
What would you have claimed? You were under fire already.
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@AustinL0926
If I'm town, then I can mechanically clear someone tonight
If you're town, random lynching someone else today means we lose an informed lynch. Plus, even if you mechanically clear someone, scum could just kill them. They know who watcher is and the doctor is dead.
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Like let's say Austin is innocent. If we waste a lynch today and kill Austin tomorrow, then we have one more shot to get scum. By which point, scum will have had two chances to kill the most obv town players.
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Assuming I stay off the wagon today, my action is guaranteed to succeed, which means if there's a kill tonight, then the person I jailkept is mechanically clear
I guess if Austin and I both stay off the wagon, and I watch him, then we'll confirm one more player at worst. The downside though is we don't really have another good lynch target today. If we're going to lynch Austin anyway, and on the off chance he's innocent, lynching him now gives us more time to gather info on other players to lynch.
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@AustinL0926
Ok, just saw "scum could have role blocked someone with a passive role." Somehow I missed that earlier. But it's been like 20 minutes since the doctor plus jailer point was brought up, and you're the most suspicious right now. I can see that maybe scum targeted someone with a passive role, but these circumstances definitely make you the most likely suspect.
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@AustinL0926
It's a bit suspicious that you haven't responded to any of this yet.
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@Lunatic
Bigger question is if Austin is town, then who did scum role block? If scum doesn't have RB ability, then why the faction perk? As for why Austin would make an obviously suspicious claim now, I think he's smart enough to bite the bullet early when the claim is as believable as it's going to get.
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@AustinL0926
Nah. I know you're play style by now. There's a good chance of the following: You lost your scum partner day 1, and knowing it would sink your odds of victory, you defended him, knowing you could always WIFOM later. You know you'll have to claim eventually, so you figured you may as well get out ahead of the fact that you have a suspicious role and just claim upfront because you'll have to claim something eventually. The mechanics are against you, so you know your best bet is to bet everything on WIFOM.
Again, scum likely have a role blocker and wouldn't know about the existence of a jailkeeper. So why hasn't anyone else claimed they were role blocked?
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@AustinL0926
I jailkept him last night
I don't love this claim. The town faction perk seemed to imply a scum role blocker, and no one else has said their action was blocked.
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@whiteflame
@WyIted
I'm Minimap Dots, and I tell players where the gunfire is. Justification is left implied.
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@whiteflame
@WyIted
I'm fine with Savant being first if he's your priority.
Fine. I'm the Watcher.
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
VTL WyIted
I buy a good chunk of Luna's reasoning. In addition, I think Austin or WF would have cautioned GP against claiming role cop. Hence, I think the second scum is either Casey doing a bus last day phase, which would explain accusing GP early on for a reason that didn't make much sense, or WyIted not caring and letting GP do whatever he wants. I don't think WyIted has claimed yet, so we may as well deal with him first.
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WF has my town read for letting Pie hammer. If it was a scum move, it was a risky one. Based on this comment, I'm guessing WF probably suspected Pie had an important role. As scum, it would be pretty risky to allow a town power role to hammer even if you planned to kill them the next night. I mean, doctor might have self-healing abilities, and I'm not sure how much WF was able to deduce.
Of course, maybe WF killed Pie because he thought Pie had a power role, but scum might suspect that anyway due to seeing WF's post or figuring it out however WF did. Or they might have just wanted to kill whoever hammered.
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@ILikePie5
@Mharman
Is Pie actually dead? Why is he posting?
Also, my action failed.
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@ILikePie5
It usually goes up anyway. Going back to where it was is still falling behind.
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@WyIted
I mean, some people are going to invest anyway. But there's also people who might invest earlier or later based on if they think the market is going to beat average returns. And because of that, the expected returns are basically the average unless you have inside information.
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@ILikePie5
There are some statements he’s said that seem scummy to me meaning he’s probably town.
Curious what they are lol. Unless you don't want to give that away until after the game.
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@whiteflame
I’ll be yours.
I assume you're strongly town reading Pie if you're willing to let him get the perk.
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@whiteflame
Why couldn’t GP be a JOAT with an RB and an RC? Why couldn’t his partner have multiple roles? Not really sure what makes a TP RB more likely.
Oh true because the 1x. Yeah, that probably means Grey has at least one other ability he's not sharing.
If you are willing to say, is your role more than 1x (i.e. 2x, 3x, infinite, multiple)? Mine is not 1x.
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
Faction perk implies scum has a roleblocker. Vader's claim implies scum has a ninja. If both are true, that doesn't really leave room for a scum role cop. If GP is scum, maybe the rber is third party.
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WF can wait for a claim, but I don't want to forget to vote.
VTL GP
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@Greyparrot
That's some losses recovered. And the market generally goes up anyway.
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@WyIted
just buy when it sinks
If Trump supporters know the economy is going to do great, why don't they buy it when it sinks and cancel out the sellers? Pretty much no one can reliably beat the market, if that's what you're implying.
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@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
I'm down to lynch grey, but WF is right, we need softclaims.
VTL Austin
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@whiteflame
Wait Greyparrot's role is 1X? Idk how I missed that, and it makes the role way more scummy. Only reason for 1x is if it's high utility, and role cop is much higher utility for scum.
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
It probably wouldn't hurt to have GP use his role on Vader since it's unlikely they are scum partners, but I don't see another great lynch target for today.
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