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@Mikal
This is partly on me for not making this a rule in the initial post, but consider this a warning going forward. No discussion of any user's Discord activity as a means for determining affiliation is allowed. Attempting to get around that by reading into this message or obvious hinting is also not allowed.
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Ratman (3/5): Lunatic, Ultra, Wylted
Lunatic (1/5): Ratman
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Ratman (3/5): Lunatic, Ultra, Wylted
Lunatic (1/5): Ratman
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Ratman (3/5): Mikal, Lunatic, Ultra
Lunatic (1/5): Ratman
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@AdaptableRatman
Did scum get fakeclaims?
Just going to say outright that I won't answer this.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@Mharman
@AdaptableRatman
@Ultracrepidarian
Day phase starting
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@Mikal
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Day phase starting.
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Welcome to Feminist Mafia. The theme of this game is feminism. There are 7 town players and 2 scum players, no third parties. Mafia will be given the opportunity to ask about two characters and two roles.
Rules:
1) No editing or deleting posts of any kinds
2) No copy/pasting your role PM (please paraphrase)
3) No cryptography of any kind
4) No discussion about PM phrasing not directly related to role or character mechanics (i.e. no discussing "You win with town" vs. "with the town")
5) No communication outside of the mafia game
6) No liking/upvoting posts after you die
7) No using ChatGPT/AI to paraphrase your PM
I reserve the right to add any other rules that are commonplace that I may have forgotten to list.
If you have any questions, please PM me directly. All DPs will be around 72 hours and NPs 24 hours unless the NP ends with everyone submitting actions earlier. I will try to end day phases around 8pm EST so everyone is awake. If you won't be awake at that time please PM me.
Player list
1. whiteflame
2. Casey
3. WyIted/Earth
4. Mikal
5. Lunatic
6. Ultra
7. Barney
8. Mharman
9. AdaptableRatman
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. This DP will end Tuesday June 24th at 8:00pm EST. Let the game begin.
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PMs going out now. I'll make sure the day phase is long enough so WF can participate.
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Actually I realized I can't send out PMs until AR unblocks me. I'll see if Pie can.
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Ok, PMs going out.
1. whiteflame
2. Casey
3. WyIted/Earth
4. Mikal
5. Lunatic
6. Ultra
7. Barney
8. Mharman
9. AdaptableRatman
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@Sidewalker
There is no afterlife. When your brain stops working, you are dead.Ok, Ok, yes I think like Stephen Hawking.Stephen Hawking is dead, are you saying your brain has stopped working?
Yeah, he kind of walked into that one. Or rolled into, I should say.
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@Castin
I think most of these ideas are serviceable, but I would still do a survey to pick out the best name.
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@Mikal
Debate, argumentation, and rhetorical tacticsOr something that fits that acronym
Relying on an acronym seems like the most difficult route.
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"DebateFox" is available.
DebateGate sounds pretty nice, but just wondering, what does it have relation to this website?
Sounds like a scandal. MasterDebater is a poor brand for similar reasons.
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@Lashwnda
So when a group of people is being exploited, we should ban them from the workforce?
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@21Pilots
How about DebateCraft?
I like this one.
DebateCube is also available and might be more brandable, though "DebateCraft" is more self-explanatory. Then there's DebateCore...not sure which one I like the best.
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1. whiteflame
2. Casey
3. WyIted/Earth
4. Mikal
5. Lunatic
6. Ultra
7. Barney
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1. Mharman
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Well done, you are so clever.
Thanks, I try.
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@AR
The first
It isn't really addressing the "slavery" talking point, which is the point of the post. If Democrats want to enslave illegal immigrants, why do they want to give them more rights?
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@sadolite
I updated my post
Yeah, Nancy Pelosi, Barak Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Chuck Schumer, etc. are hypocrites, but they're only a few of the people who support immigration (and I don't think any of them claim to support illegal immigration). Politicians just aren't the most moral people anyway.
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@sadolite
it means you don't know what illegal means
Not necessarily. Some people are proud lawbreakers.
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Will you reply to my arguments btw
I thought you were only replying to WyIted? You never tagged me so I don't know which posts are addressing me.
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@WyIted
If you make them reliant on $1 an hour they will never suffer enough to solve the problems that are keeping them from becoming a wealthy people. It's the problem with this sort of help in general. It takes away desperation which is needed for radical change. It's breads and circuses but a much more pathetic version and you are still thinking like a utilitarian in how you are analyzing this problem.
Your argument is still utilitarian, it's based on the long-term effects. If you were purely arguing based on principle it would be irrelevant to you whether the people there repair their economy.
Also earlier you said earlier sweatshops were unjustifiable, now you think it's not suffering enough? What? Every rich country started with people earning low wages. Even rich countries today are getting richer. If desperation was needed, ever country would plateau.
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@WyIted
My argument was more about principles and you seem to have a more utilitarian perspective. When I do humor a utilitarian perspective it is extremely localized.
Okay, let's say you go to a place where everyone is paid a dollar a day and implement a $10 an hour minimum wage. Then all the businesses leave and everyone there starves. Is that a good solution that follows your principles?
Your standard is also arbitrary. What's considered normal today may be considered exploitative in 100 years. But it's still necessary to survive.
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@WyIted
Chinese children in sweatshops aren't taking high paying jobs either and the money probably helps their families survive.
Yeah, which is what people who want to blindly shut down all sweatshops don't really understand. You have to compare the system to the alternatives.
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@WyIted
So we should deport the vulnerable population and send them to the country they don't want to live in?They are vulnerable here because they are illegal aliens. They aren't easy to exploit when they have legal standing in their country. I am sure even with the exploitative practices they are better off here, but it doesn't mean their country is better off without them or that we should betray our own principles of treating workers fairly
How is allowing someone to have a job that makes them better off unfair to them? Also if they are paid less in their own country how would that be less exploitative?
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It's also kind of an admission that American workers would have more and higher paying jobs available
Not really. Other industries exist, often complemented by immigrant labor, and illegal immigrants are rarely doing the highest paying jobs.
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we must take in all immigrants as a selfless act?
Only one side wants to control whether people invite immigrants into their houses, and it's the side banning them from the country.
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@WyIted
exploiting a vulnerable population with not much legal protection from employers
So we should deport the vulnerable population and send them to the country they don't want to live in?
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Whenever a Democrat says that some part of the economy depends on illegal immigrants, they are usually compared to slaveowners who insisted that the economy relied on slavery. This talking point rarely makes sense in the context of the broader immigration debate.
Democrats are also accused (not without basis) of wanting to give free healthcare to illegal immigrants, wanting illegal immigrants to vote, caring more about illegal immigrants than native-born citizens, and wanting to offer full citizenship to illegal immigrants. So if the Democrats think that illegal immigrants should be treated like slaves, they're doing a bad job of it beyond the vaguely similar talking point of the economy depending on a particular group of people. How is the side that wants more rights for illegal immigrants across the board the side that wants to enslave them?
There was also a time when people wanted to ban Chinese laborers from the workforce or even black workers from machine work, so if the whole debate is about who can be compared to racists in the past, there's plenty of ammunition for Democrats to use.
And besides, is bringing up the economic impacts of immigration not warranted if Republicans bring it up too? If a Republican says "illegal immigrants will take our jobs and destroy the economy," that seems like it's inviting someone else to bring up positive economic impacts of illegal immigration, whatever those may be. If a Republican says "we don't owe these illegals anything," then shouldn't they want the illegal immigrants to be a servant class? It seems like Republicans solely care about the effect of immigration on natives until Democrats start talking about the effect of immigration on natives, then Democrats are suddenly racists who don't care enough about illegal immigrants (despite wanting illegal immigrants to have more rights).
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Is this game being broadcasted on youtube
Not to my knowledge. In theory anyone could come on the site and broadcast it though.
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@Mikal
I'm thrilled to hear that some people are such phenomenal writers that ChatGPT trained on them.
Did you think ChatGPT was trained on animals or something?
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You did not do your end of the deal.
I admit the average UK rapper can take an average US rapper and smack them up down left right diagonal in a rap battle
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I will signup if you listen to this fresh new UK rap track and admit the average UK rapper can take an average US rapper and smack them up down left right diagonal in a rap battle.
Ok deal.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@Bullish
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Signups!
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The theme of this game will be feminism, and I'll be co-hosting with Pie. Going to be 7v2 with a theme split.
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And they do. But they also scumread you less.
So it would be equally good to always be scummy, because people would adjust the same and stop reading you.
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Towntelling is a better skill than good reading
If people know you always town tell, the logical reaction is to town read you less...
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