Savant

Earth also seems to be ignoring everything I said about my role, but I just have less of a feel overall about him. Getting Pie's role seems like a low-risk move since he's going to "reveal" it tomorrow anyway.

Did you read the Invincible game where Pie is scum? He did the same thing to Barney that he's doing to me here.

For those who still believe I am scum, just know that this is what you have to buy:

   - Austin gave a scum the power to steal someone's vote at any time and hammer a player or steal the shirt, giving them an extra night kill or he allowed a scum player to use their role before the first day phase (as if it was a night phase), which is not how mafia works—this game does not have secret night phases.

   - As scum, I somehow assumed my role would confirm me as town and gave up the chance to secretly hammer someone or secretly steal the shirt.

But if you are willing to believe both of those things, then by all means lynch me. Then, if I am revealed innocent (which I will be) lynch Pie. But enough talk. Let's get this party started.

You poor, poor man.

There was no night phase with which to do that. The game doesn't start until the first day phase, and beginning it before then would make Austin a bastard mod.

Also if the vote thief can steal a vote the same day they use it (instead of the night before), then it's too powerful a role for scum. They could secretly hammer a town member at any time, and no one would know who did it. So explain why Austin would give that role to scum or why scum would dare to reveal it??

Pie's logic makes less and less sense every minute.

Also don't worry too much about Earth, because he's not going to vote to lynch me.

You can lynch me, just promise me you'll shoot Pie this night or the next if I am innocent.

Earlier you said I was "tunneling" Pie, now you think I am scum. I made multiple posts explaining why Austin would not give my role to scum. What percentage of that time have you been paying attention?

Now that we have the vigilante thing sorted out, are you down to pressure Pie for his role?

?? How does putting his vote on you make us trust each other?

I don't understand. Why does it need to be on you?

I asked Austin, he will do it when he's back online.

Yes

Pie,

If you're going to tell us your role tomorrow, you may as well say it now.

Then he voted me

No he said "I think the only person who hasn’t said anything is Savant, so I’d like a full claim from him when he gets on."

Another thing. Note that Pie voted me early on before unvoting me when I showed his justification for accusing me was wrong. As scum, he likely selected me as a target that he planned to find some reason to accuse and breadcrumbed that early on. Note that Austin did the exact same thing last game when he said I was his "top scum read" but tried to avoid criticism by saying that he always scum reads me. Seems to be a pattern that scum will try and "accuse someone without accusing them" just to throw suspicion in that direction before they actually accuse said player.

*at once. I mean, I don't think that's how it works, because I submit them separately.

I can't use both votes at one, but if I could, it would just be another reason for Austin not to make my role scum-aligned.

Sry, I mean a few games ago.

Austin being 1x confirmed him a few days ago. Again, it's a very alignment-indicative role.

Not all roles are alignment-indicative, but a lot of them are. That has not been the issue with "confirmable" roles in the past. The issue was that people would say they could confirm their role and then not actually confirm it. But when they did confirm their role, it was generally alignment indicative.

For either WyIted or I to be scum, it would mean Austin put zero thought into the roles assigned. Both of us being scum is basically impossible.

Because only a bastard mod would create a scum player that can't be lynched. It's really town's only way of getting rid of scum. There was a game a while back where Austin was 1x lynch proof and everyone agreed that put him in the clear. He was (of course) town.

If being lynch proof didn't put someone in the clear, we would just wait and lynch the person later. The main purpose the role serves is confirming someone as town.

Because you clearly have a town role. How does you wanting to lynch me make me immune to logic?

WyIted hammered the shirt. We can proceed as normal now, correct?

Hammer right now.

Don't you DARE vote for the shirt. I am voting, and WyIted is hammering.

Pie's been offline longer. Moozer is a better shot.

Another thing I realized. Would it make any sense for Austin to put a scum-sided vote thief in the game with Barney's bidding role? That would be guaranteeing scum and extra night kill, and he's not a bastard mod.

And it wouldn't make sense for Pie and I to be scumbuddies and me to tell him to hammer. We've already established that if anyone else hammers they will be lynched.

It's because I've been focused on Pie as a main suspect. I think I've said his name the most so far.

Sorry I mean WyIted hammers.

Vote for the shirt, then I vote, then Pie hammers.

All right, fine. Unvote

Yes, you should vote for the shirt.

Let's see if everyone complies first. I don't want someone to get ninja'd or pretend to get ninja'd and get the power instead of you. That's why we need to sort out who votes for he shirt and who doesn't in advance.

No, I DONT want Pie to vote. We need one of them not to vote so you can hammer.

When has lynchproof been a scum role?

Vote for the shirt so WyIted can hammer!

I'm only worried about Pie complying, which is why I told him not to vote for the shirt. If he does, we can lynch him.

But Earth's vote counts as one regardless of whether he or I puts it on the shirt.

Earth's vote on the shirt counts, if you look at vote total earlier.

Do not vote for the shirt. WyIted is hammering.

Vote for the shirt so WyIted can hammer.

Unvote the shirt so you can hammer

What's vote count on the shirt right now?

Unless I was supposed to use a stolen vote to get the power so scum wouldn't know who had it. Whoops.