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Redirector with vig role is possible but unlikely without a bastard mod
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@Casey_Risk
And if lynching me is what it takes for you to be willing to lynch Pie, then I already said I'm down for that. He's unlikely to confirm himself tomorrow, because scum will either roleblock him or he will claim he was roleblocked (likely the latter). If he "confirms" himself, he's been the first one to say role confirmation is not affiliation confirmation, so idk why we should give him any town cred for that.
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@Casey_Risk
what are everyone's thoughts on giving away the 1x vigilante power
Wylted should get it, I don't know why this is even a discussion. He's basically confirmed.
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I want a claim from him at the very least, but I don't always get what I want. So I'm stuck looking for his partner at the moment.
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@Casey_Risk
What counts as a confirmation at this point though? He'll likely come out with a confirmation that's debatable, and no one will want to lynch him just because of that. Hard to know what's "good enough" at this point.
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@WyIted
His role could be doctor and people would be like"Wow buddy, I thought you said you could confirm your affiliation"
Pie is the one who convinced them to think that way. He doesn't even trust you.
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Also Barney can't get the vigilante shot so best to give it to WyIted.
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@Casey_Risk
Pie has claimed to have a confirmable role that he can confirm tomorrow.
Tomorrow never comes.
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@WyIted
Hard to be sure about anyone else being scum. I trust that you and Barney are town. I agree with others that Luna's behavior leans town, but he plays similarly as town and scum. It might be worth getting a claim from Pie, but a lot of people are town reading him so that's going to be difficult. The fact that Pie is town reading Luna makes me wary, bit it doesn't automatically make him Pie's partner.
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@Casey_Risk
WyIted is the most likely town right now, behavioral reads don't change that at all. You don't have any reason to trust me about that though, which is why I want to give you one. Lynch me, and if I'm town, lynch Pie.
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@WyIted
You'll never trust me until I'm confirmed town, so go ahead. Lynch me, and then if I'm town, lynch Pie.
I don't know how he convinced people that the shot should go to a random person rather than someone who is role-confirmed and whose role is most likely town. Likely town getting the shot is better than some rando getting it, but for some reason Pie would rather just role the dice. That's enough that I'm willing to trade my life for his.
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@ILikePie5
role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation
Depends. Like I don't think scum would have the power to decide the day's lynch, or reveal themselves as the innocent child.
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@WyIted
You better confirm rn, or you will look very suspicious.
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@ILikePie5
now you don’t want to give it to Wylted if he confirms,
If he confirms, then we may as well give it t him if we know he's town. Roleblock wouldn't change that.
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@Earth
I can use it however I (or you) want. I'll just vote however you do.
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@Earth
I thought the 1x vig was a dayvig kind of deal.
Why would you assume that? Isn't vigilante usually a night role?
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@ILikePie5
Also, if I was scum, why wouldn't I just steal the vote anonymously and hammer at the last minute lol?
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@Earth
I don't care who gets the shot, as long as town collectively decides who is the target.
It's a strong possibility that scum can roleblock. Or save the shot for later and claim they were roleblocked.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
At this point Pie and I re just going back and forth. I'd like to see someone else weigh in.
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@ILikePie5
Experienced people on this site will tell you that it’s optimal. If it is a net loss, then why should we give it to you or Wylted.
It's a net loss to risk giving it to scum, town using it n1 is a tiny net gain. And maybe the doctor could protect Wylted n1 or something, but that's still not worth risking giving it to scum.
No response, then, as expected.???
Your response was "No I'm not," which is a non reponse.
WIFOM.
You accused me of scummy behavior. I said "why would scum do that?" That's not WIFOM. The burden of proof is on you, the one making the claim that I am acting scummy.
because 66% chance is only scenario where you’d be this hesitant, yet you don’t know who is town…
No, even a small chance of giving scum the kill is very bad.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
You’re OMGUS me is a fact. Whether it’s scummy or not, is different.
OMGUS implies I don't have a good reason to accuse you. I do, and I explained it.
Cause you didn’t know it was a scum claim. You could’ve also had the MafiaScum website ready. Or you just thought you could pull the I’m confirmable stuff and skate by. At best this is WIFOM.
No, you are the one saying "x behavior is scummy." Just because I point out it is the opposite does not mean you can suddenly accuse me of WIFOM. And why would it not be a scum claim if I got it as scum???
You can ask Lunatic, Earth, Wylted. Most experienced players...MafiaScum can go to hell.
Sure we can get their input, but they probably use MafiaScum as well if they are experienced.
As town, you would use it to steal the role of a scum member.
Yeah, or to confirm my role. I can't use it at MYLO or LYLO.
So you have no reads besides “Pie is scum for being aggressive.”
I said being aggressive didn't make you town, and I am sussing you for your poor logic and justifications.
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@ILikePie5
it is always recommend for a Vig to shoot NP1.
Again, a strategy claim that you haven't backed up at all. Vigilante strategies are generally debated, and with a 1x vigilantes it is generally better to save the kill until one has a clear target. That's not an option now, so we get maybe a random kill this night and maybe a scum-directed kill. That's a net loss.
No it’s not.
No response, then, as expected.
They’re all noobs except Wylted, not that big of a leap.
You realize that scum can talk in the scum chat, right? If I was scum and had a plan like this, you don't think I would prepare my partner to not implicate themselves?
The fact you did that shows that you’re afraid that us as town are getting the shot.
Or I'm town and don't want to give it to possible scum.
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@Barney
@WyIted
We can. First someone claims the shirt, then we have the remainder of the day phase to lynch someone.
Wylted, if you can confirm yourself as town, we will give you the shot. Otherwise, we should give it to no one.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@JoeBob
Lol, by definition you are OMGUS
Same logic that made me scum last game. Except I wasn't scum. Oops.
You as a nooby scum didn’t think Vote Thief is a scummy claim.
If I had gotten the role as scum, why wouldn't I assume it as a scum claim? Why would I assume it was a town claim, for heaven's sake? I initially assumed it was a town claim because I got it as town.
All the experienced people know it’s scummy af.
You have yet to justify this being a scum role aside from saying that it is. I provided a source. You didn't.
You used it for the sole purpose of gaining town cred.
Why wouldn't I, when it's usually a town role?
you OMGUS me
I provided my reasons for sussing you, and it had to do with your behavior. If you were doing this to anyone else, I would be calling you out as well. Just because you accused me first doesn't give you immunity to being accused. You know this, and relying on OMGUS logic just shows how weak your case is.
but one out of the 3 of us has to be town. Who is that person and why don’t you want to give them the Vig shot?
I don't know who town is, hence why I don't want to take the risk. I don't see why you need this spelled out for you. No one is 100% town right now.
Town, it should be obvious right now that none of Pie's conclusions follow. Do with that information what you will.
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@ILikePie5
And your reasoning is circular by the way. Your logic of "letting a townie take a shot" only works if I am scum and my scum buddy backed me up with my supposed plan (another incredible leap in logic), and you are relying on said logic to claim that me being scared makes me scum.
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@ILikePie5
As scum, you should be scared. You know that you’re giving the shot to a townie if what I am saying is correct. Why should we not let a townie take a shot?
A townie shooting blind is not a net gain for town, and it is easily outweighed by the risk of giving an extra kill to scum.
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@ILikePie5
Nice OMGUS.
Yeah, Austin accused me of that last game. Anyway...
Youre a scum vote thief. Your scum partner joined you Willy nilly. Probably Moozer, JoeBob, or Casey.
You don't have any way of knowing this. In fact you said "I don’t blame Savant for claiming it, he probably didn’t know it was a super scummy role," and most of the time it is a town role for balance purposes, even if you sometimes give it to scum. But reads should not be based on a single data point anyway.
Vote thief is a scum role.
Stop lying, Pie. It is given to town most of the time. Your only contrary evidence is what you have done as a mod, but you are not modding this game. Austin is.
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@AustinL0926
I'm running out of shirt jokes for this game.
I think you have them down to a T.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
I am leaning toward the former.
I meant latter. I do not believe Luna is scum. Sorry.
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@Casey_Risk
Not seeing me as 100% confirmable is fine. But in that case, we should avoid letting anyone hammer instead of giving a potential scum a night kill. Notice how Pie just called me "scared" without actually contesting my argument.
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@ILikePie5
@luna
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Pie is my top scumread rn. Without even posting reads, he expects us to follow him for some reason. Right now either Luna is his scum buddy or he is trying to earn Luna's trust, and I am leaning toward the former. Whether or not you think I am confirmed, giving vigilante powers to a possible scum is a terrible idea, and Pie is basing his guess on one data point (people who went along with my plan). Pie could only be this confident if he knows he is scum and wants to earn Luna's trust by letting him hammer.
At first I was town reading Pie despite my annoyance with him because he is usually aggressive, however this time around he is so aggressive at the expense of logic that it doesn't make sense. Then I realized he is probably scum trying to do what he usually does as town but going a bit overboard.
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@ILikePie5
The 1x vig is going to one of those 3 players.
It should go to no one. Just don't hammer.
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@ILikePie5
Ok then. Explain why you want to give vigilante powers to a possible scum?? Explain how maybe letting a town member kill someone based on a gut feeling is worth that risk.
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@ILikePie5
Lol no. I'm not giving 1x vig to someone with zero role confirmation.
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@ILikePie5
I don't think we can lynch someone if we lynch rsvlts.
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I mean WyIted claims he is, but now I'm doubting Pie will buy his claim.
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@ILikePie5
Literally no one else is confirmable rn, so I recommend we just lynch someone.
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@ILikePie5
There is no town incentive to stealing someone’s vote unless you think they are scum. So please explain why Earth is scum?
My incentive was confirming my role, how was that not obvious?
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@Moozer325
I scum read Savant for that play somewhat
I hard confirmed my role, you 100% know I can steal votes now.
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@ILikePie5
"For balance reasons, Vote Thief is usually Town-aligned."
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Follow JoeBob's lead!
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@Barney
Just "Robin Hood." I didn't know there were multiple versions.
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
The five of you should vote for Rsvlts so I can hammer.
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@ILikePie5
Don't vote, just let the others get it to 6 and I will hammer.
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
ATTENTION: Only JoeBob, Moozer325, WyIted, Casey_Risk, and Lunatic should vote.
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