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@Moozer325
Dang it Moozer, you just gave the win to scum
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@Earth
@whiteflame
Wow guys, that was a very quick attempt at a hammer right after I voted Moozer. Seems like what would happen if you were a scum team, doesn't it?
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Sry pal, don't see this going any other way
VTL Moozer
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
Is there anyone you suspect rn other than Moozer? Because if not, I'm going to vote to lynch him.
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@Moozer325
Because I stopped the scum kill on n1, and you continually hedged your bets on lynching the player least likely to be lynched. Casey confirmed Earth's visit, but Earth knew there was a tracker and probably claimed accordingly.
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@Moozer325
He could, but you two are way more sus than me right now.
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The only reason I haven't voted yet is that scum can quick hammer, but I really don't see anyone other than Moozer getting lynched today.
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@Moozer325
As I said, he's probably the second scum.
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Even if you don't buy that I am confirmed, how am I the most suspicious player to you? How did you even expect me to be alive today? The fact that I am implies a heavily noob scum team.
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@Moozer325
I healed myself np1, which is why there were no scum kills. No one else had an alternative explanation for what happened np1.
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Earth is probably the second scum, because there's no way whiteflame would be letting Moozer behave like this.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
Well, guess we're lynching Moozer then. Somehow Moozer (a) knew that I would still be alive and (b) wants to lynch the most town confirmed player. Plus, why would any scum other than Moozer leave me alive?
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@Moozer325
Who did you pick as the lynch target?
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@3RU7AL
That's great if every country plays along, but not if Putin or Kim Jong Un sees it as an opportunity to attack. I'm not sure how environmentalists, teachers, and feminists are going to defend against nukes.
Specialists in language, culture and politics are in high demand. They put their skills towards making links with groups in other countries, especially groups resisting repressive governments — indeed any governments that might become aggressive.
If they haven't been able to do this before, I'm not sure how they would now. A common theme with most of the things necessary here. The US announced they were withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, and all of the things listed did not prevent the Taliban from taking over.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
VTNL
This is the safest play for town rn. We can keep arguing tomorrow.
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@Casey_Risk
Also, if WF really is from Fairy Tail Mafia, he could be the ninja. That would explain why he apparently didn't visit anyone. Moozer might be Mafia JOAT. Night one Janitor on Savant, but he didn't die so it was ineffective. NP2, he roleblocked Savant so he couldn't save anyone. It all adds up.
This seems more like a theory whiteflame would come up with than one you would come up with, so I'm suspecting collaboration in the scumchat here. I also said I wouldn't be able to use my role n2, so there was no reason to rb me then.
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@Casey_Risk
To be fair, Luna's been offline for hours.
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@Lunatic
Want to make sure vtnl isn't an option before I vote actually. Luna, is vtnl allowed or will it result in a random lynch?
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@whiteflame
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
I’m just going to straight up say this is wrong. I spent a good 20 minutes on this with the DP open and my profile online after checking your message to me.
No way this is true...you posted much quicker than that. This message was pretty quick too.
VTL Whiteflame
Regardless of how this lands, I'm fairly confident I'll be able to track down the remaining scum tomorrow. Plus we still have Barney's votes.
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@whiteflame
@JoeBob
I'm gonna give him one more chance to respond, but he's probably going to be the lynch today.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@Moozer325
Oh, also don't think I didn't notice that WF posted that response to me like less than a minute after coming online. Which means he'd been offline writing it and preparing to come online and post it.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@Moozer325
even unsuccessful NKs register as visits
But would the janitor visit if the NK fails? That's what I'm doubting.
So we lynched Austin DP1 because of inactivity, and we lynched Barney last DP because JoeBob made himself and Barney the only choices, so... that somehow means there's a skilled player on the scum team?
I caught this after posting, and it does ease pressure on you a bit. But you also have to admit we spent both of those days not really agreeing on a likely scum, and as I look back through your posts, you haven't been super active in finding them until now when you need someone else to take the spotlight. Since you are a logical scum player, I fully suspect you would latch onto the legitimate mistake I made in my assessment and focus on that. (You might do that as town, but you might also take a more charitable interpretation of what I said.) In other words, you might act this way as town, but you would definitely act this way as scum.
I don't get this one either. There are two scum left in the game. I sussed both of the players I think are on that scum team. I also said that eliminating me for PoE probably makes as much sense as eliminating either of them.
I admitted this one is mostly intuition. I do think you'd sus people and defend yourself as town, but you might also focus on one and then the other. As scum, I think you would jump the gun and try and put the spotlight on someone else as soon as possible.
This is just WIFOM. Scum have every reason to misdirect attention and killing Pie obviously makes me look sus
It is WIFOM; I fully admit that. However, I believe that I know you well enough by now to know you would play it safe and kill the person sussing you. Scum absolutely have to make bold moves to win.
I've also noticed that Whiteflame asks rhetorical questions as both town and scum, but they tend to be more aggressive as scum and more confident/cocky as town. But he's good, so it's sometimes hard to parse.
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Moozer is weird but a possible scum too. I'd say it's between those three.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
If whiteflame flips town and we all survive the night, we're still in a good position because we now know his deductions are extremely trustworthy. If he's scum, the other scum is probably Casey "Everybody say what they did tonight so I can pretend I tracked you" Risk.
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Also WF said that he didn't get notified when Earth rbed him, which is a great way to sus Earth but give WF plausible deniability later. Also would Earth really tell the truth about who he visited if he was scum? If so, pretty lucky he had a role where he could visit someone without killing them.
The lack of notification susses WF, not Earth.
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Maybe it's Casey and Whiteflame, and Casey was used to clear WF night 1. Note how Casey "confirmed" his role based on what Earth said he did. Casey should be a bigger scum read than Earth right now because he revealed his hand second, but WF defended Casey.
But Moozer is still a possibility.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Whiteflame not moving on day 1 definitely helps his case. However, he's still my top scum read. Here's why:
1. Note that we haven't seen scum do anything yet other than night kills, so they likely have a 1x role or a day role. Or Whiteflame is the Janitor and couldn't visit anyone n1 because no one was killed, then couldn't visit anyone n2 because he was role blocked.
2. We haven't lynched scum yet, which means there's likely a very skilled player on the scum team. Whiteflame is the most experienced player left.
3. His message is what I would expect him to post as scum. This is mostly intuition from playing with him as scum. His tone is the same as scum and town, but as scum, he doesn't have a choice: he has to put the spotlight on other players as suspicious and give us a reason not to suspect him as quickly as possible. That's exactly what his first message is doing. As town, he might have focused his message on something else like the one player he thought was most suspicious. Idk if this is making sense, but looking at the message just reminds me of exactly how he played as scum. It's also the type of argument that would appeal to this crowd: we're mostly new so he's relying on us going "oh, that seems logical" and buying the rest of what he says. Accusing 2 people instead of 1 would also be a good move for scum. Narrow enough that it gets attention on those people but it also buys whiteflame more time since it allows for 2 mislynches before attention gets directed back to him.
4. Pie died instead of me, when I clearly have the more powerful role and scum knew I was defenseless. Pie was heavily sussing whiteflame for his role claim before he died, and nobody else has brought that up. So who gains the most from Pie's death? Whiteflame, obviously. Scum would have benefitted most by getting rid of the doctor, but in WF's case, he needed to get rid of Pie to avoid getting lynched.
Moozer's actions don't really make sense to me, but his strategy isn't super ideal for scum or town, so it doesn't necessarily make him one or the other. We've mislynched a lot of people for just picking bad strategies, and they're usually town.
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@Casey_Risk
Dang, you're right. I forgot for a second. I guess we go for whiteflame or Moozer.
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@Moozer325
Sigh...all right. Let's lynch no one today. At least Barney still has his votes. But don't select me again tonight.
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@Earth
We could still wrap it up tonight if he predicted whiteflame or something.
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@Earth
If Moozer predicted someone as the lynch and we lynch them, that gets town an extra kill at night.
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@Casey_Risk
As I said before, I couldn't use my role last night. Right now I'm the most town confirmed player, so I won't reveal any more with scum listening. If whiteflame flips innocent, I have a chance to carry the game.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Whiteflame seems like the obvious lynch right now, but I'm open to hearing other accusations.
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@Swagnarok
These negotiations could succeed if those who desired to live were at the helm.
I guess it would help that the ones who desire to live are more likely to still be alive.
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@Swagnarok
In this case, an escape to a friendly third country (Muslims everywhere seem to love Hamas and deny they did anything wrong, so this shouldn't be too hard to arrange).
Does Hamas even care about escaping with their lives? They haven't given me that impression.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
To be fair, Islam wasn't around until over 500 years after Jesus was teaching.
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@whiteflame
I’m probably dead tonight anyways
If you're telling the truth about your role, might be best to protect Pie tonight since he's a likely target.
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@Intelligence_06
"While the starting salary is near the middle of all majors, the average mid-career salary of philosophy majors quickly rises to $81,200.00, outperforming Finance, International Relations, Marketing, Business Management, Communications, Nursing, Biology, Health Care Administration, and many others."
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@Casey_Risk
I'll explain everything tomorrow; I have my reasons for not doing so now.
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Won't be very useful tonight, but I should be of more use later on. If it is between JoeBob, WF, and Casey, that means we basically have the game solved anyway.
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