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but I hate islam for allowing slavry , prohibiting homosexuality , I hate the prophet of islam for sleeping with 9 years old child , for being a male gold digger for owning slave and trading with slaves ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,etc

And its perpetual Jihad . You forgot to mention perpetual Jihad against the non believer. At least to my knowledge the Christ on the Christian doesn't command one's head be removed for simply not believing in him.

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note that god will not reverse the direction of gravity no matter how hard you pray or how strong your faith is

And who is it that you believe would "pray" for such a thing?

why is it that people are willing to believe magical stories that they would have dismissed as nonsense once they are mentioned under religion ,

Who does that?

many of the stories mentioned under religion are just crazy and if you remove the religious background of the story it would be placed under fiction.

If you remove the miracles from the bible, NT for instance, you may be left with a reasonably believable story of a man that was believed by some and himself to be a king and heir to a real nation. And that was prepared to die for his Jew kingdom and his own Jew people. As many kings of all nations did back then.

when I hold the bible or the quran and read them , I feel like I'm living in a magical world like I've entered the world of harry potter.

Remove the magic and so called miracles and you may be reading about real historical events. There again, the words "magic" and "miracle" could have meant something entirely different back then and only understood by the elite educated few or initiated. The genius of the few , so to speak.

did our world have such fantasy based elements ?

Only to the ignorant and uneducated of the time that you are referring to.

why is we accept those stories when they come from religion but without religion they become just nonsense.

Who are the "we"? I for one don't accept those stories in the manner in which they have come down to us.

religion is evil because it's either deceiving people or being (allowing) deceived by people .

I'd call it legalised fraud myself but there is always a sucker around every corner to be suckered. Its a numbers game, you see. And you can get anyone to believe anything when you invent a game that relies on numbers of gullible people of which their are millions, the inventor of the game can't lose even in our modern times. It is rigged in the inventors favour. Numbers, numbers, numbers is the name of the game. Didn't you know that? Well now you do.

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Well the general focus used to be the Slave Trade.....

Well to me that would require a thread all of its own. With that said, I never owned a slave neither did any of my family to my knowledge. The only time slavery was ever mentioned in my family was when my old dad and uncles spoke about the slavery in the coal mines of Wales, where many of my males relations worked in terrible conditions at 14 hours a day and this included males as young as five years old. Have you ever visited Big Pit in Blaenavon, Torfaen, Wales, Vic. Its a museum now. I would recommend anyone of any age or colour visit it, then compare the wide open cotton fields to the dangerous, dank and pitch black conditions of Big Pit.

Besides, how far should this shite go back. Swathes of England/Wales were overran by Vikings if I am to hold any faith in my history teachers. Do I now demand reparations from all Scandinavian countries for their "crimes" of the 9th century committed by king Uthred or Queen Olga against my ancestors? Its a nonsense and any level headed person on the planet knows this.

But now it's roughly the period between 1950 and the present.

Well from what I recall from my own youth was that the "race riots" were mainly to do with unfair treatment by authorities (police) than it was black against white. Although I did witness some running battles between black people and skinheads in my school days.

Migration and social evolution has always been difficult.

I don't believe anyone could dispute that, Vic.

Intolerance is a two sided state of mind.....Though unfortunately were expected to accept that it has only ever been one sided.

I agree. And on a personal level I believe following the death of George Floyd Jr, a problem imported from the USA to the UK by BLM/antifa, that race relations here at home have been set back decades. I can only hope that the majority of our youth, white and black can and will see through this BS.

And if this centuries old "one sided" argument of slavery is now to be taught in our schools it should be taught with full honesty and from its roots that began in the Middle East where, to my own knowledge, Arab slave traders traded with blacks that rounded up other blacks from other black enemy tribes to sell on to Arab slavers.

All my own opinion you understand, Vic lad.

Have a good day.

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It is none of your business.

You made it the business of every member here the moment you posted your comment here on a forum on the WWW. You always seem to forget this don't you, Reverend "Tradey"?

Nuh - your misunderstanding not mine.

Nope. It is clearly your own misguided misunderstanding of the nature and purpose of a forum on the WWW , Reverend "Tradey".

I posted and I can choose not to answer as well.

I agree. And that wasn't my point, as you well know.

Just like you refused to answer the question others have put to you.

Stop telling lies.

You just refuse to answer questions.

Stop telling lies.

So to be perfectly clear- I choose when I want to answer. And whether i answer or not - is no reflection upon whether I have an answer or not .

Nope. It is purposeful avoidance for lack of a reply or answer which you often come up against.

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What should happen is him being charged with a hate crime for blood libeling White people with his fake allegation.

I agree. I have yet to see any MSM pundit even mention the possible consequences of his hoax. Not to mention the set back to race relations in the US that he may have caused.

Unfortunately no such law is on the books.

So you have no laws against incitement in the US?

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[people in the U.K ] We're currently going through a sort of payback phase.

Payback for what?

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He faces three years in prison, and his career is over.

From what I can gather the feeling is that Smollett won't even get to see a jailers keys. And it is more likely that he will become some kind of political civil rights figure in the line of Sharpton. Didn't Sharpton also make his name (not to mention a lucrative income) on the back of a race hate hoax?

BLM have already said they don't accept the verdict and "believe Jussie".

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I was clearly stating my bias again Islam.

So then you are saying that you "have absolutely no respect for Islam or its leader" for "absolutely " no reason.
Not at all Stephen. My point was that I was disclosing my bias. But also providing no reason since that was not the object of my question.

But it is the object of my question to you, Reverend "Tradey".

I have always had a principle of enquiry when attempting to find out about a particular topic. Go to the horses head and ask them what they believe something means - rather than relying upon other people's commentary or hearsay notions about what something means.

The OP had already given his sources in his first post. Did you look at those sources?
I asked a question. The OP answered. It is none of your business.

So then, although the OP had already supplied his sources after his every comment and quote in his initial post #1, you still had the audacity to question the reliability of his sources without even looking at them yourself! Do you treat all witness statements in such a dismissive off handed manner in your capacity as a lawyer, Reverend "Tradey"?

It is none of your business.

You made it the business of every member here the moment you posted your comment here on a forum on the WWW. You always seem to forget this don't you, Reverend "Tradey"?

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Will this man now be charged further?

Not being an American I obviously do not know US law. But I am reasonably sure that had this racist hoax happened here in the UK there maybe further charges, i.e. behaviour likely to cause a riot/public disturbance or behaviour likely to incite an affray.

And lets not forget this was a racist hoax against white people, i.e. a hate crime .

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I was clearly stating my bias again Islam.

So then you are saying that you "have absolutely no respect for Islam or its leader" for "absolutely " no reason.

I have always had a principle of enquiry when attempting to find out about a particular topic. Go to the horses head and ask them what they believe something means - rather than relying upon other people's commentary or hearsay notions about what something means.

The OP had already given his sources in his first post. Did you look at those sources?

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I am not Muslim and I have absolutely no respect for the religion or its leader. ......................................

.................................In other words, why should we trust the voices of those who have a clear bias against Islam? #33

Well that is an arse backward statement if ever I heard one!

Why do you have "absolutely no respect for" Islam or "its leader"? What are your own biases against Islam and its leader?

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You just love bandying that word "hate" about at every chance, don't you? Witch. Who is it that you believe on this thread "hates all Muslims"?

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You appear to have missed this , Witch.

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Oh look another atheist ancient aliens

Ok , Witch. By your own admission, some of your own particular gods & Norse gods were from" another planet ". You never did explain how you actually know this but that is neither here nor there.

Stephen wrote: Well if you have ever looked into the ancient phenomena, you would find immediately that ALL religions speak of their so called "gods" coming from the sky. So I think they may "validate" each others religious beliefs of the origins of their "gods" .
Polytheist-Witch, wrote: That is not true at all. In the Norse religion they come from a planet. #204

This would make them alien to Earth.

Now is all you have to do is confirm how far back do your own or these "Norse " alien gods go. Are they ancient , medieval or modern?

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It's not a chicken and egg conundrum.

Only we know which came first,, Vic lad.

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Predictable aren't you?

Well Reverend "Tradey", I am not the bible ignorant contradictory clown that cannot make up his mind.

Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. #96

Tradesecrete wrote: Christians do seek God #121

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Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. #96

Why are Christians not seeking god?

Christians are not seeking God. Why? Because God has already found them.
How?

Seriously!
Yes seriously. How does god find Christians?

And you think I am a fraud. LOLL!

Yes I do. So answer the question.

Please do your own homework.

So you are simply spouting more, made up on the hoof Christian waffle that you cannot explain as per usual, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecret. Those poor students.

Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. #96

Tradesecrete wrote: Christians do seek God #121

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What does being in the image and likeness of God mean to you?

Very much human.

and how much should we consider ourselves to still be in his image?

Once a human always a human.

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That's a self analysis thing.

And a well deserved thumbs up from me, Witch.👍

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Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. #96

Why are Christians not seeking god?

Christians are not seeking God. Why? Because God has already found them.
How?

Seriously!

Yes seriously. How does god find Christians?

And you think I am a fraud. LOLL!

Yes I do. So answer the question.

Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. #96

Tradesecrete wrote: Christians do seek God #121

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Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. #96

Why are Christians not seeking god?

Christians are not seeking God. Why? Because God has already found them.

How?

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People have to die all the time just ask Bill Gates.

So, this lazy idle god of the Christians. What will you have him do?

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Actual searching for god is a lot like saying you are searching for god I'd say.

This must be the worlds longest game of hide and seek. Not to mention the worlds cruellest ever fools errand,

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Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. #96

Why are Christians not seeking god?

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Problem with the Christian God is he has too much time on his hands.The polytheist religions the gods all have jobs..............

controlling the oceans,

The Boxing Day tsunami in 2004 is believed to be the deadliest tsunami in history, killing more than 230,000 people across 14 countries. It began at 7:59am local time on December 26, 2004, when a 9.1-magnitude quake struck off the northern tip of Sumatra in Indonesia. Updated 24 Dec 2014.https://materchristi.libguides.com/natural_disasters/2004_Indian_Ocean_Tsunami#:~:text=The%20Boxing%20Day%20tsunami%20in,Updated%2024%20Dec%202014.

Yep this god certainly had his/her hand on the pulse there didn't s/he, Witch? Fall asleep on the job for a few minutes did he?

controlling the winds,

The Deadliest Tropical Cyclone on Record Killed 300,000 People. https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2019-05-01-deadliest-tropical-cyclone-bhola-cyclone-bay-of-bengal-bangladesh

This god appears to be just as shite at his job controlling of the weather as the god that you say is overseeing the Oceans.

controlling thunder.

Thunder that is usually followed by lightening are just as deadly as the first two but kill less people , I'll grant you that.

Maybe if he had a job he'd be less interested in what everybody on Earth was doing.

Good point. Seeing that all the other positions in the weather elements controls department seem to be filled by your own gods, what do you believe the job of the Christians bone idle god should be then, Witch?

I am assuming that you have a gods to control fire, rain, snow, volcanoes and earthquakes. So it appears to me we are looking at a job creation program that will take this lazy, bone idle , layabout Christian god with all this time on his hands and put him to work doing something useful and productive....... or destructive as those other gods you mention appear to enjoy doing..

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I have never said (without qualification) that God cannot be found.

Backpedalling AGAIN Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecret.

Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. Christians don't ask people to seek God. We say very clearly, you can't find God. #96

Tradesecrete wrote: I think the first step towards knowing God is by realizing you can't find God.#101

But we know the BIBLE and JESUS say different, don't we TReverend "Tradey" Tradesecret;

Jeremiah 29:14 I will be found by you,’ declares the Lord,.

see also

Acts 17: 27

Jeremiah 29:13.

Proverbs 8:17.

I pity those students that you claim to lecture and tutor the bible on.

People who don't believe in the God of the Bible wont seek God.

Ya don't saaaay! Stating the bleedin' obvious does not disguise your ignorant contradiction. And you have loaded non believers into the same basket as Christians. You are just far too dumb and pompous to realise it.

Tradesecrete wrote: Christians are not seeking God. #96

Why are Christians not seeking god?

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I mean Stephen's up there posting I have a shaman and I never said I did
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You claimed to have spoken with a shaman. I don't for one minute believe you own one. I referenced that Wikipedia says that what you have called the "planet Midgard " is earth , you responded contrary to that saying;

Based on talking to shaman I do not believe Midgard is Earth #233

Your words not mine. Does this not indicate that you know, go to, consult and converse with a shaman?

Hope that clears that up.

just his way of making me look stupid or what he thinks makes me look stupid

Nope , you do a reasonably good job of doing that all on your own without any help from me , Witch.

Example here:

Stephen wrote: Well if you have ever looked into the ancient phenomena, you would find immediately that ALL religions speak of their so called "gods" coming from the sky. So I think they may "validate" each others religious beliefs of the origins of their "gods" .
That is not true at all. In the Norse religion they come from a planet.

Stephen wrote: Would that planet be up in the sky or space by any chance ,Witch? #204

Hope that clears that up too.

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My name is Pastor FLRW and I would like to preach the Truth as found in the Bible. I want to expose false prophets and prophetesses like Benny Hinn, Creflo A. Dollar, Gloria Joy Johnson, ["Tradey"Tradesecrete] Marcus Lamb,etc. Women preachers and ministers that preach the false doctrine should be silent in the church.
I’m a King James-only preacher and that’s the bottom line because Jesus said so. You can read the King James Version of the Holy Bible by clicking on the link.

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And that anything not of this earth is by definition alien.
Not my fault you don't understand animism. Alien doesn't mean in the sky.

It does mean alien if it is not of this earth. Stop being so fkn pedantic

And when you claim something about your gods and your "religious" beliefs I then research what you have claimed. WHAT THE FK AM I SUPOOSED TO DO, WITCH, simply take your word for it? And I ask you again, are you admitting that your own beliefs are in fact myth

If you want to know about it read the myths and make your own determination just like everyone else who practices the religion does.

And that is exactly what i was doing until you got upset about me doing so. I was checking every word you wrote. For instance I have discovered - with your help- that YOUR FKN SHAMAN , who I have never spoken to myself, doesn't agree with what Wikipedia has to say about Midgard :

Stephen wrote: From what I have just read "Midgard" IS Earth.

In Germanic cosmology, Midgard (an anglicised form of Old Norse Miðgarðr [ˈmiðˌɡɑrðz̠]; Old English Middangeard, Old Saxon Middilgard, Old High German Mittilagart, and Gothic Midjun-gards; "middle yard", "middle enclosure") is the name for Earth (equivalent in meaning to the Greek term οἰκουμένη, "inhabited") inhabited by and known to humans in early Germanic cosmology. The Old Norse form plays a notable role in Norse cosmology.
Midgard - Wikipedia

Polytheist-Witch wrote:Based on talking to shaman I do not believe Midgard is Earth you can gain whatever knowledge you want from the myths on that take it as you will.

Myths are myths, not facts.

I agree. Are your gods and the places the exist myth of factual

It doesn't mean they're not true.

Myths are myths and not facts, Witch.

Myths are usually event that happens somewhere other than Earth but is associated with Earth because that's how the shamans do it.

So not of this earth then, as I have been saying.

I don't have to discuss it with you anymore. This is my last post about this.

Stop whining. You introduced your religion/gods to this thread and I am damn sure I didn't. If you are going to make extraordinary claims, be ready to be challenged on them and have extraordinary proof to support them.

Everything I think is wrong, I'm mentally ill and obviously [ unable] to explain it to you so find someone who can

Well I have to agree in part. You are certainly a contradictory character. But so are Christians, when it comes to their own god and bible. They, often deny and contradict their own scriptures and the words of their own god .

like that atheist that writes all the stories about the Norse gods to make all that money what's his name Neil Gilliam ask him about it.

Nope, you have put me right about your mythical gods and their supposed origins.

Neil Gilliam ask him about it......................I'm sure he can explain it to you on the atheist level.

Witch, ffs sake! You are the one that cannot make up your own mind about your beliefs on any level.

Tell me, why is Wikipedia wrong and your shaman right?.

Obviously the easiest thing that's perfectly reasonable that the aliens came made the earth created humans to be a slave race and then flew off and outer space.

Well that is exactly what ancient civilisations have to say on the matter and all appear to agree on. I wouldn't know either way.

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The gods are beings that come from a planet that's not just the gods dropped out of the sky they're not the f****** Moon.

Ok. Keep your hat on Witch, you have been very well behaved up to this point. Would you agree then that anything coming to Earth from another planet is alien to the Earth?

And they don't travel here in spaceships because they're not freaking aliens other than the fact that they don't exist on Earth.

Witch, like it or not, by definition this makes them alien.

It's not my fault that you think because something doesn't exist on Earth it's up in the sky

It not my fault that you do not understand the definition of the word alien. And that anything not of this earth is by definition alien.

the gods are accessed by the spirit world which exists everywhere not just in the f****** sky.

So now you are agreeing then that apart from other place's, your gods do indeed come from the sky.

Again this whole thing had nothing to do with you wanting to ask questions you just want me to say the gods come from the sky because they're not on Earth

I am asking you to explain where your gods come from if not from the sky. You have said your gods come from "another planet" while denying that the planet is in space or the sky. This is your own contradiction, Witch. It is mine.

Here you are denying that your gods are sky gods while saying they originate from another planet:

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Stephen wrote: Well if you have ever looked into the ancient phenomena, you would find immediately that ALL religions speak of their so called "gods" coming from the sky. So I think they may "validate" each others religious beliefs of the origins of their "gods" .
Witch wrote: That is not true at all. In the Norse religion they come from a planet.

Can you not see how what you have written above at [A] is complete and utter contradictory bollocks!

well some gods come from out of the ground you know the underworld

Ok And some- according to the ancients- come from the sky. We can discuss these out of the earth gods later. I have never heard of them myself.

Like I said everything is a freaking farce with you people there's no point discussing anything cuz all you want to be able to say is that God's come from the sky

Stop being so dramatic, Witch. Unless you have other theories. I am open to listening to anything.

and I'm right and if I can get you to say they come from a planet and they come from the sky.

Well simply tell me where this planet is. You have said :

Witch wrote: That is not true at all. In the Norse religion they come from a planet.

Where is it?

Okay you win all the gods come from the sky now don't talk to me about it again cuz I have nothing more to say to you about it I've already conceded to you.

Well according to the ancient civilisations they do. And if as you agree that there is at least one other planted that the gods come from then this would make them ancient aliens, wouldn't it.?

Don't ask me questions if you know everything.

Stop it. I ask because I don't know, not because I do.

#but it is a little more complicated than just gods are up in the sky.

That would be these ancient aliens that the ancients appear to be telling us about.

Just because you believe in ancient aliens doesn't mean every religion is aliens

Well if they existed at all and they did not originate on my planet ; earth, then they are alien to the Earth, wouldn't you agree?

you're as bad as a goddamn Evangelical which is what I say all the time atheist are evangelicals just for one less God than Christians.

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The rainbow bridge connect Asgard to Midgard not Midgard to Earth you're not even paying attention when I do say something so just go read the goddamn myths yourself.

I see, Are you sure? Because this is what you have said previously:

Norse religion they come from a planet. A planet connected by bridge to Earth or at least Midgard. #201
Polytheist-Witch

you're not even paying attention....

As convoluted as you are making it, I can assure you that I am.

when I do say something so just go read the goddamn myths

And when you claim something about your gods and your "religious" beliefs I then research what you have claimed. WHAT THE FK AM I SUPOOSED TO DO, WITCH, simply take your word for it? And I ask you again, are you admitting that your own beliefs are in fact myth?

It is you that is coming across as the demented bible punching holy roller. Stop paying for those Reiki attunement classes, you are being conned.#1

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The Queen?

Just a woman, Trade.
Absolutely and this exactly my point.

This human person has all of this enormous power but you still don't just waltz into her presence.

What an absolute stupid thing to write.

Her Majesty IS still accessible, can still be contacted , addressed, spoken to and can also be BE FOUND and seen.

where as;

Tradesecret wrote: You don't even realize how much your answer reveals your ignorance of Christianity, do you?

Christians are not seeking God. Christians don't ask people to seek God. We say very clearly, you can't find God. #96

In fact many people think they should be able to summon God at will.

What people?

And let us not forget what THE BIBLE has to say about seeking AND finding god, where as YOU deny that your god can be found contrary to THE BIBLE and Jesus.

Jeremiah 29:13. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Proverbs 8:17. I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.

We say very clearly, you can't find God. #96

Who are the "we"?

I think the first step towards knowing God is by realizing you can't find God.#101

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Descend? Will that be in the `to come down from somewhere`, sense then? Or do you mean are descended from Búri who no one knows from where he originated only that; "Búri was licked free from salty rime stones by the primeval cow Auðumbla over the course of three days
Descend as in Buri and Jord had sex and had children.

Ok. So from where did Burni and Jord originate?

Lets break that down a little. So you are saying that "the Jotun" originate from "Ymir" ( a hermaphrodite giant). Are the Jotun a people or are they gods? If gods, where is their place of origin?
The Jotun are a race. They spawned from Ymir's body.

And from where did Ymir originate?

Is this a place or a race of gods or men? You see I want to know if these gods that you worship have a home and /or a place of origin and where it is?
The Vanir are a race that come from Vanaheim.

Ok, and where is Vanaheim located? From what I have just read it is "one of nine worlds".

Can't tell you anything other than that that's all the myth to say.

So then you believe that everything you have told me is a myth?

I don't think you want to know crap cuz you can look up and read whatever you want to.

I am attempting to work out where the particular gods that you believe in came from and you haven't once attempted to tell me although you don't agree that gods come from the sky, or do you not remember what you have disputed?

I said;

"Well if you have ever looked into the ancient phenomena, you would find immediately that ALL religions speak of their so called "gods" coming from the sky. So I think they may "validate" each others religious beliefs of the origins of their "gods" .

You then disputed this while, astoundingly, agreeing that your own Norse gods came from a planet!!? :

saying:

"That is not true at all. In the Norse religion they come from a planet!". #201

Here:

Stephen wrote: Well if you have ever looked into the ancient phenomena, you would find immediately that ALL religions speak of their so called "gods" coming from the sky. So I think they may "validate" each others religious beliefs of the origins of their "gods" .
That is not true at all. In the Norse religion they come from a planet.

Stephen wrote: Would that planet be up in the sky or space by any chance ,Witch? #204

So let's go back to this, the first place that you mentioned:

Based on talking to shaman I do not believe Midgard is Earth

Ok, so you don't agree that Midgard is Earth as per wikipedia, Midgard - Wikipedia........so where is this place called Midgard located? keeping in mind that you have said that there is a "bridge of light" (the Arora Boliaris) connecting Earth to Midgard.#201

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I don't think you want to know crap cuz

Think what you want, it doesn't make it true , Witch.

You can look up and read whatever you want to.

But what is needed first is a starting point. And you and your knowledge in this particular field of Norse gods are that starting point. Do you not understand that? I have been looking at these gods only five minutes, where as, I am going to assume, that you have gone into the subject for some years, haven't you?

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After all of your months of complaining that atheist do not really come here for serious discussions why is it that you yourself show a strong reluctance to discuss your god/s and their origins, Witch?
The Asa gods descend from Buri.

Descend? Will that be in the `to come down from somewhere`, sense then? Or do you mean are descended from Búri who no one knows from where he originated only that; "Búri was licked free from salty rime stones by the primeval cow Auðumbla over the course of three days".

The Jotun from Ymir and the Vanir don't have a full on story but some have parents.

Lets break that down a little. So you are saying that "the Jotun" originate from "Ymir" ( a hermaphrodite giant). Are the Jotun a people or are they gods? If gods, where is their place of origin?

Vanir

Is this a place or a race of gods or men? You see I want to know if these gods that you worship have a home and /or a place of origin and where it is?

What is the "bridge of light" used for?
Who uses it?
Do your seven gods use it?
To move from point to point. The Asa use it to move from their world to Midgard.

Where do the Asa originate and are they also gods?

Midgard layers Earth.

From what I have just read "Midgard" IS Earth.

In Germanic cosmology, Midgard (an anglicised form of Old Norse Miðgarðr [ˈmiðˌɡɑrðz̠]; Old English Middangeard, Old Saxon Middilgard, Old High German Mittilagart, and Gothic Midjun-gards; "middle yard", "middle enclosure") is the name for Earth (equivalent in meaning to the Greek term οἰκουμένη, "inhabited") inhabited by and known to humans in early Germanic cosmology. The Old Norse form plays a notable role in Norse cosmology.

Midgard - Wikipedia

If that is the case, then where are The Asa coming from? From where do they originate?

I doubt your sincere as much as looking for ammunition.

Nope.. I want to be clear about where your gods originate. It is your gods origins and places of abode that are in dispute . Or had you forgotten that?

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And you'll have to be more specific which God that I worship / work with you want to know the origin of because they're all different they all come from different places some of them are in different tribes completely different backgrounds

Just your own god will do for now. Tell me of its origins
Again I have posted about this you can figure out who they are if you've read my post and if you don't want to then don't

After all of your months of complaining that atheist do not really come here for serious discussions why is it that you yourself show a strong reluctance to discuss your god/s and their origins, Witch?

but I'm not doing your work for you.

I am simply asking you from where your gods originate .

Again I actively worship at least seven gods regularly.

Ok. You have offered that little bit of information, can simply tell me their origins? Do all of the gods that you worship, work for and pay homage to, all originate from the same place?

And again depending on which one it is I may or may not have an origin story for you it all depends.

Ok. Then can tell me the origins of those seven gods that you worship and that you do have an origin for?

And could you clear this up, I'm genuinely intrigued?

I will though, draw the line at invisible bridges that span from a planet in the sky down to earth. That sounds too much like the biblical Jacobs ladder , Witch.
Invisible? They see the bridge all the time. We call it the Northern Lights.

What is the "bridge of light" used for?

Who uses it?

Do your seven gods use it?

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I will though, draw the line at invisible bridges that span from a planet in the sky down to earth. That sounds too much like Jacobs ladder , Witch.
Invisible? They see the bridge all the time. We call it the Northern Lights.

So you believe then that the aurora borealis caused by collisions between electrically charged particles released from the sun that enter the earth’s atmosphere and collide with nitrogen & oxygen gases, is a bridge between a planet in the sky and earth?

What is the "bridge of light" used for?

Who uses it?

Who is "we"?

When you force myth into the monotheist mold you loose.

And who is it that has done that?

And you'll have to be more specific with God that I worship / work with you want to know the origin of because they're all different they all come from different places some of them are in different tribes completely different backgrounds.

But you are silent about the god that you worship. So simply tell me where your own particular god or gods originate?

Some don't even have origin myths so be specific which ones you want me to talk about

Just your own god will do for now. Tell me of its origins.

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Well if you have ever looked into the ancient phenomena, you would find immediately that ALL religions speak of their so called "gods" coming from the sky. So I think they may "validate" each others religious beliefs of the origins of their "gods" .
That is not true at all. In the Norse religion they come from a planet.

Would that planet be up in the sky or space by any chance ,Witch?

Since most of the religions don't have a book like the Hindus or the Jews and Christians and Muslims do there's absolutely no way you can say that their book verifies anything it's simply myths or fairy tales.

I agree. I simply said that they compliment and validate one another in the respect of "sky gods". ie they all seem to agree that their particular gods origins started from the sky. I have indicated nowhere that I agree with them. And in fact the Hebrew god was also known as the mountain god too or was it god of the mountain? , but only after the migration of people from the Mesopotamian-region the original home of Abram/ Abraham -where the "gods" there were simply known as lords that had come down... from somewhere.

So again you're just making things up to verify your position.

I am not sure I have a position to make things up about, Witch. I simple question and scrutinise the bible that you in fact are sure is made up of nothing more than unadulterated "myth" and "fairy tails". It looks like were almost on the same page there , Witch. I will though, draw the line at invisible bridges that span from a planet in the sky down to earth. That sounds too much like Jacobs ladder , Witch.

Now,

where do your particular gods come from , Witch?

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Can't you read and understand what I wrote above?

I can and I do. And have shown you to be clearly contradicting the bible and Jesus.

Tradesecret wrote: You don't even realize how much your answer reveals your ignorance of Christianity, do you?

Christians are not seeking God. Christians don't ask people to seek God. We say very clearly, you can't find God. #96
But the BIBLE doesn't agree with you. YOU are contradicting what it is THE BIBLE states and what your god Jesus has to say on the matter of "seeking" and "finding " god, you complete and utter bible dunce.

Acts 17: 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

Jeremiah 29:13. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Proverbs 8:17. I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.

I really with all due respect do not see anything here that contradicts anything I have previously said.

That's because you cannot face the fact that you have been exposed for the bible dunce that you are yet again and are now in denial.

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Proof you have your own woo woo.

Nope. Its only "proof" that there are other possible alternatives to the biblical one.

Must be why you hate theists so much.

Nope. My problem lies with the scriptures. I am no too interesting that theists have a belief. Its what they believe IN that is of interests me.

You use the Bible to justify your ancient alien theory

How ?

And I don't have an "ancient alien theory" but I have read and looked at these theories as much as I have the bible stories. Some of the bible stories appear to compliment the ancient tales of other gods of other ancient civilisations.

and then complain about the Bible.

I " complain" that the bible -especially the New Testament is a load of bollocks on the surface and in the way it has come down to us. Take away walking on water and feeding millions with ONLY a few fish and a few slices of bread and dead stinking years old corpses walking about and there is another story completely. A story of an ancient power struggle among the Jewish factions of the time and place.

Yet the Bible is only used by Christians so all the other religions don't validate your belief

Well if you have ever looked into the ancient phenomena, you would find immediately that ALL religions speak of their so called "gods" coming from the sky. So I think they may "validate" each others religious beliefs of the origins of their "gods" are concerned.

Where do your gods come from Witch?

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you believe aliens created everything

Nope:

and then flew away in their spaceship.LOL.

No more fanciful than the comings and goings of people and aircraft in the bible, Witch. And it is the ancients themselves that say these beings "left like migrating birds". I wouldn't know either way.

So, when is it do you believe that you will achieve you level 2 Reiki attunement, Witch

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The Anunnaki had bases around the world, but primarily in the Middle East - Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, Iraq - and in India and South Africa.

There is more evidence for ancient aliens than there is for Jesus.

The Anunnaki (Anak -Anakim)are referenced in the bible .

Joshua 15:14 |

Judges 1:20

Joshua 21:11

Numbers 13:28

Joshua 15:13

Numbers 13:22

Deuteronomy 9:2

Numbers 13:33

I might do a thread on these Mesopotamian gods one day. You never know, it may turn out that they are the same gods that we can read about in the Christian bible.

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It's not a contradiction.

Oh stop it ffs. I said YOU are: You have said while calling others " ignorant":

You don't even realize how much your answer reveals your ignorance of Christianity, do you?

Christians are not seeking God. Christians don't ask people to seek God. We say very clearly, you can't find God. #96

But the BIBLE doesn't agree with you. YOU are contradicting what it is THE BIBLE states and what your god Jesus has to say on the matter of "seeking" and "finding " god, you complete and utter bible dunce.

Acts 17: 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

Jeremiah 29:13. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Proverbs 8:17. I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.

For all of your self proclaimed "qualifications and accreditations" you have to be the most bible ignorant Pastor and Chaplain that I have ever come across. And you have the nerve to charge universities to tutor and lecture their students on matters religion, god and the BIBLE!?

Even your entertainments value has dropped considerably over the last few weeks, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecret.

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Polytheist-Witch wrote: Major woo woo...Got my level one Reiki attunement today. #1

What are the 5 principles of Reiki?

Here's how to use these principles as daily mantras or guidance.

Recognize and release angry feelings. The first principle, “I release angry thoughts,” focuses on improving your relationship with anger. ...
Recognize and let go of worry. ...
Practice gratitude. ...
Recognize your own consciousness. ...
Practice kindness.

Polytheist-Witch wrote: That post was in response to a post in another thread and I know God damn well you know which one it is and I don't really give a s*** what you think about it, I really don't give a s*** if you wanted to debate, I really don't give a s*** what you think. I'm not here to engage with anybody in any sort of meaningful manner because when I got here and tried to do that I was told I was a f******mentally ill moron. So I don't care what you think or do if you want to debate do whatever you want to I'm not going to go do that because there's no point to it a perfect example of this is every post after yours and if you don't get it that's because you a biased ignorant bigot like the rest of them.#183

I see your study and training in the art of Reiki is coming along just swimmingly, then , Witch.

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I don't know how you can be right wing and reject Christ at the same time?

That is because you are not the sharpest tool in the box, Doc. Now stay on topic.

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