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@Polytheist-Witch
If at this point people don't understand the basic concepts of Christianity should they really be here arguing about them.
What do you see as the basic concepts of Christianity?
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@zedvictor4
As far as the tale goes.....The character Jesus was supposedly crucified by the Romans at the behest of the Jews, for the crime of heresy.
Yep. In the eyes of the ruling Jews he was stirring up the nation by attempting to unite the "lost sheep of Israel" against Rome and he had to go. And the bible makes this perfectly clear. The Jews were afraid that the Romans would come and take away their nation.
"If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation......You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”
The reality was more likely that the Jewish hierarchy didn't want to lose their lucrative positions and possessions afforded to them by Rome.
Jesus or no Jesus it all ended in total disaster in the end anyway. The various Jewish rebel factions including the Galilean zealots started to turn on one another anyway. Rome simply laid siege to Jerusalem and sat back while the Jews started to slaughter one another and "eat their own dead". Historian Josephus gives a detailed account of who was responsible for the destruction of the temple and who had set the city alight.
Correct me if I'm wrong....But I think that the sin thing was made up later by a bloke named Paul.
It is a total Christian idea and makes no sense whatsoever.
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@949havoc
He just thrives on contradictions , doesn't he?You're comparing two separate conditions, and combining them.
Nope. I am comparing what is said on the one hand and then contradicted on the other.
The prophesied sequence is that the destruction of the wicked will precede his appearance, so there will nowhere be found anyone to disagree.
So much for "dying for our sins", forgiveness and to "love our enemies", then , eh? It appears - according to you - that anyone that doesn't believe in Jesus being the literal genetic "son of god" will be destroyed on that basis only no matter how righteous they have lived their lives. You are no more better than the Muslim that is instructed by the Quran to destroy anyone that "disagrees" that Allah is god and that Muhammad is his prophet.
I believe Jesus existed . I also believe his title was "son of god" as were other very human ancient kings. Indeed the whole nation of Israel were called his children!
I don't believe Jesus' dead and stinking rotting days old corpse came back to life and I don't believe he performed a single so called "miracle". You seem to have missed all those "clues" that you proudly speak about decoding yourself.#45
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@949havoc
I'm more interested in what he will say to us after our bungling of two thousand years.
While forgetting his own repeated "bungling".
He gave us a simple set of instructions, after all: Love God, Love our neighbors, including our enemies.
He also said: " Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple" . While on the other hand the bible also states that:
"Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness".
1 John 2:9-17
He just thrives on contradictions , doesn't he?
After two thousand years, we cannot do it.CK Chesterton was right:"It is not that Christianity has been tried and found wanting. It has never been tried." Jesus is an incredibly patient man.
It has been "tried " for over 2,000 years, you clown and has caused all kinds of war and hatred and division as do most religions if not all. But what can we expect when Jesus gives out these mixed and divisive messages for the likes of dunces like you to interpret at will to suit your own agendas and narrative.
Grow up! Jesus was just another contender to the throne and high priesthood of Jerusalem as were many that came before him.
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@949havoc
there are only supposed to be 144,000reading too literally. Those 144k may only be executives, so to speak;Ok. Now prove it.but there's a whole organization in supporting roles.OK. Now prove it.It's in the Bible. Read. And read again. Then, read again. Rinse and repeat. You go find it, unless you're paying me to be your tutor. Hint: you're not, just in case you're woke.
So that's no evidence at all them for some beings are chosen to be "executives of the heavenly administration" and other "supporting roles"? That is all you are good for making unsubstantiated claims without supporting evidence. All of you bible dunces are exactly the same..
I'll even give you a start: 1 Timothy, and Ephesians. But, even Gen 1 has some clues.
There are are "clues " in the bible that Jesus and John the baptist were rivals and that he and/ or his followers had a hand in the death of John the Baptist. There are also "clues" the raising the dead was simply a ritualistic ceremony to a higher degree in the Jesus movement and not a literal raising from being a "dead" and rotting stinking days old corpse to being alive again. There are also "clues" that the mother of Jesus was taken against her will and conceived Jesus after an act of the rape of a minor by a priest in his role as the acting "Gabriel".
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@949havoc
there are only supposed to be 144,000reading too literally. Those 144k may only be executives, so to speak;
Ok. Now prove it.
but there's a whole organization in supporting roles.
OK. Now prove it.
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@zedvictor4
Administration of the Kingdom of Heaven.Sounds like the same old shit to me.Always someone that thinks they know better than you.Do they have clipboards and point a lot.And are there lots of forms to fill in.
Yep, yep, yep & yep and hi viz bibs and jackets too. It were halo's at one time but it started going to their heads.
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@949havoc
But administration of the kingdom of heaven will require many, many people, but they have to know what they're doing. Qualification for the job; simple as that. I guess there are not enough, yet.Why would there be an administration 'required'? Aren't these entities all powerful? Why do they need anyone's help?
And however did they manage before human spirits started arriving in heaven. I mean, there are only supposed to be 144,000 due to arrive in that heavenly realm of "many mansions" aren't there? There are more people living in small towns and villages where I come from.
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@Tradesecret
Do you agree with Jesus' standard of what "good" is? #35Please clarify what you think Jesus standard of good is.
So you don't know. Just as I thought.
Jesus in both parables of the Samaritan and the shepherd gives examples of what good is yet you have to come here after all of your years of training under all those academic scholars, preachers and teachers and ask the question "what is good"?
Tradesecrete wrote: I do understand Orthodoxy. I studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church.#91
And you obviously learned a lot less from your "Hebrew teacher"#45 🤣🤣🤣
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@Tradesecret
So you have blocked me.
Nope. I have not blocked . I have found that blocking anyone , is a waste of time here.
You have wrote:
Tradesecret wrote: "I would relate it to another excellent example of resurrection in the OT. A topic I have looked at elsewhere". #27
I have simply asked you so what?
Do not turn another thread into an unnecessary argument just try addressing the question,Reverend "Tradey"
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@Tradesecret
Stephen, you - not me - asked a question.Nope! You asked " what is good" and before I had asked anything at all on this thread. Here>> #10..............Nope. You are wrong. I asked Deb-8-a-bull what she / he thought good was.Typical complete denial when caught out bullshitting. Simply show me a question that I asked before post your post #10?It matters not who you asked, the fact remains that I asked you a question and you simply dodged it.A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.Luke 18:18-19.What also is interesting is that this idea of good is one that Jesus seems to be holding alone.Correct. And I have highlighted that fact already you clown. HERE>>Stephen wrote: "Both are examples of " good" in the opinion of Jesus.Yet you are here asking "what is good" ? Or do you not agree with Jesus' standard of what "good" is? #35And you dodged that question too.Get well soon Reverend "Tradey"What question have i dodged?
Do you agree with Jesus' standard of what "good" is? #35
Or are you simply intent on causing an unnecessary argument on another members thread rather than answer the question?
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@Tradesecret
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@Tradesecret
I suggest that Jesus' judgment - his coming occurred in AD 70 - at the destruction of Jerusalem.
Strange way to unite the tribes of Israel, wasn't it, Reverend "Tradey".
Matthew 15:24 King James Version
But he answered and said, "I was sent only the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
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@Tradesecret
Stephen, you - not me - asked a question.Nope! You asked " what is good" and before I had asked anything at all on this thread. Here>> #10..............Nope. You are wrong. I asked Deb-8-a-bull what she / he thought good was.
Typical complete denial when caught out bullshitting. Simply show me a question that I asked before post your post #10?
It matters not who you asked, the fact remains that I asked you a question and you simply dodged it.
A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.Luke 18:18-19.What also is interesting is that this idea of good is one that Jesus seems to be holding alone.
Correct. And I have highlighted that fact already you clown. HERE>>
Stephen wrote: "Both are examples of " good" in the opinion of Jesus.Yet you are here asking "what is good" ? Or do you not agree with Jesus' standard of what "good" is? #35
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@Polytheist-Witch
So I believe God experiences all kinds of things like happiness and joy and humor.
Yet displays none of the above in the bible. Unless his joy and happiness and humour comes from murdering innocent women and children and drowning the whole of mankind just to name a few.
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@zedvictor4
Why didn't MAN GOD just click his fingers, like he did when he made stars.
Similarly it could be asked ; Why didn't he just create woman from the dust of the ground and a quick blow up her nostrils as he had the Adam? Why go to the trouble of putting the Adam to sleep, opening him up, removing a rib and stitching him back up?
I suppose if this was to happen today it would be called genetic engineering?
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@Tradesecret
Stephen, you - not me - asked a question.
Nope! You asked " what is good" and before I had asked anything at all on this thread. Here>> #10..............
Tradesecret wrote: Firstly, what is good?
................and you have been swerving and dodging my own question to you since.
Jesus says no one is "good" , including himself yet Christians refer to the Samaritan as "good" and Jesus calls the shepherd "good" . This then is clearly a contradiction on his part or on the part of very forgetful and contradictory bible scribes.Yes that is true. But not including himself.
Wrong! Stop trying to rewrite scripture AGAIN, Reverend.
Jesus clearly points to himself first when asking "why do you calm me good, no one is good" . Jesus does not exclude himself. Stop lying
A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.Luke 18:18-19.
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@Tradesecret
The bible does not talk about the Samaritan being good. So the answer is the bible does not talk about good in that context.
Stop it! I am speaking only of the word "good" as used in both these biblical parables. The bible clearly speaks of that act of doing "good" as in the Samarian doing good to a complete stranger. The parable doesn't say the Samaritan was good . I am asking you was his actions towards the stranger "good"? Yes or no?
In relation to the shepherd in those verses - good is being referred to as "not the wrong one.
The "good" shepherd is simply a story of not wasting ones time with those that are already believers/ followers . But to search out and make a believer of the one that doesn't believe , i.e the lost sheep. In other words don't waste your time preaching to the converted.
Both are examples of " good" in the opinion of Jesus.
Yet you are here asking "what is good" ? Or do you not agree with Jesus' standard of what "good" is?
Jesus says no one is "good" , including himself yet Christians refer to the Samaritan as "good" and Jesus calls the shepherd "good" . This then is clearly a contradiction on his part or on the part of very forgetful and contradictory bible scribes.
So are you now going to tell us what the bible means when it uses the word "good"? Of course your'e not. Your question was a question born of pure ignorance. And a question that even you cannot answer .
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@949havoc
Story of Job, yeah? After losing everything, he was restored for having his treasure in the proper place.
Job's dead 10 children were not "restored" were they? They lost their lives over a wager with non other than Satan. A being that god once had condemned to crawl on his belly eating dirt "for the rest of his days". Yet here he is , challenging god himself to a bet and just going to and fro walking about the earth.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”
9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”
12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.”
So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord...................
So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”
9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”
12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.”
So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord...................
.......................18 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house, 19 and suddenly a great wind came from across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people, and they are dead; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
What a vain and narcistic god he is, not to mention the fact that the condemnation of Satan to "crawl on his belly eating dirt for the rest of his days" seems to have been forgotten by the biblical scribes.
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@Tradesecret
Firstly, the bible never talks about the "good Samaritan". The title is added by English translators - but not from the greek. So the Bible itself never talks about it. Of course you knew this didn't you?Secondly, "good shepherd: is referred to three times in the bible. John 10:11 x 2 and then John 10:14."I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.I am the the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me.
Now try answering the question; What does the bible mean by "good" when it talks about the "good Samaritan"?
And what does the bible mean by "good" when it speaks of the "good shepherd"? Keeping in mind that it was you that asked "what is good".
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@Tradesecret
And I appreciate your decision not to answer my question.I said I don't have an answer to your question because I don't. I didn't decline.For me, I also decline to answer.At least you admit to declining. And we all know why don't we Reverend "Tradey"?AndAbove you reduced the bible and all the words therein to a plie of meaningless nothingness.This question was about the meaning of good - not the words of the bible.
And I simply asked you are the words in the bible"good". And you fell at the first fence .....as usual.
What does the bible mean by "good" when it talks about the "good Samaritan"?
And what does the bible mean by "good" when it speaks of the "good shepherd"?
You see Reverend "Tradey" these are questions that you should be well versed in to answer and in a position to answer in your capacity as a Pastor and Chaplain to your countries defence forces, not to mention all those " university students that you lecture and tutor" about the "good book", but suddenly refused to. But then the bible that mentions the words "good" over 800 times is "just a book" to you,isn't it Reverend "Tradey"? That is until you get in front of your parishioners and you start preaching from the "good" book" and interpreting what you believe the bible means by "good".
I'll say it again, you are a hypocrite, Reverend "Tradey" and a cowardly bible dunce to-boot!
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@Tradesecret
And I appreciate your decision not to answer my question.
I said I don't have an answer to your question because I don't. I didn't decline.
For me, I also decline to answer.
At least you admit to declining. And we all know why don't we Reverend "Tradey"?
And
Above you reduced the bible and all the words therein to a plie of meaningless nothingness.
You are a hypocrite.
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@Tradesecret
Firstly, what is good?Are the words of the bible "good"? Or are they just words and that is all they are?Great question. So please answer the first question and then perhaps we can wrestle with your question. We need some kind of baseline, would you not agree?
What's up Reverend "Tradey"? Too frightened to commit?
My question is a fair question and you should be able to answer my question.
I don't have an answer for your question.
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@Tradesecret
Firstly, what is good?
Are the words of the bible "good"? Or are they just words and that is all they are?
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@janesix
Not just christians, but Jews and Muslims too. Probably other religions as well.
I agree.
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@janesix
It is presumptuous to think you know anything about God.
It is.
And Christians like to presume much about a god. Indeed, they are prone to write things into scripture that they often presume, guess and assert what god said or done or meant.
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@BrotherDThomas
Assumed Christians do good not because they are Christians, but because Jesus tells them to be good for their salvation.
(1)
I mentioned sometime ago in my thread about "Reward" Brother, saying; "to be offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating. The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do." https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6566-reward-does-it-fly-in-the-face-of-jesus-own-teachings
Jesus tells them to be good....
(2) Jesus also appears to tell them to do bad too and in contradiction to what other things he tells us we should do.
Luke 22:36 Buy weapons at any cost.
Luke 14:26 Hate almost everyone you know including family.
Matthew 10:16 Be two faced. Interesting it is that here, Jesus attributes great wisdom on the serpent although it was the serpent that had corrupted all of mankind, isn't it Brother?
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.Matthew 10:16
There are no Christian doctrines that we follow all the time because we cherry pick them at will, and let the disturbing doctrines remain on the side, and if we did follow a few of these disturbing doctrines, we would be doing prison time in the name of Jesus.
Indeed you would. But thankfully at least there has been a reformation and Christians no longer want to stone their children to death for just being naughty or disobedient.
In fact this is our only belief in who in the Hell is the real Jesus?!
Well I believe I could answer that Brother but suffice it to say, that Jesus came from a time, place and culture that most Christians are too thick to understand or have even bothered to have researched themselves but are happy to be led by the snout to only the fluffy passages and verses showing Jesus to be a "prince of peace"and have been steered away from those verses that show your "serial killer" god in a completely different light to the one they want to believe in.
A good post Brother, not to mention honest. 10/10
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@Tradesecret
As for ghosts. LOL! I don't believe in ghosts. Yes, the Holy Ghost or Spirit is not a ghost per se.didn't a woman speak to a ghost on behalf of Saul?I suspected you might raise this example. We can read about this in 1 Samuel 28. What happened there is in the narrative. What does it mean in respect of ghosts. I can't say for sure. What we do see is something that looked like an old man wearing a robe and who seems to know what God is going to do - tear the kingdom from Saul and give it another. Was it the ghost of Saul or another kind of spirit? I don't know.
So for all of your convoluted lawyer word salad waffle , it WAS a ghost but you don't believe in ghosts. I see.
. What does it mean in respect of ghosts. I can't say for sure.
Well I can IF THE BIBLE is to be believed. It was a ghost!
Was it the ghost of Saul or another kind of spirit? I don't know.
It was the ghost of SAMUEL !!!! that she brought up you bible ignorant clown🤣 LOOOOOOK >>>
"11 “Who do you want me to bring up?” she asked.“Bring up the ghost of Samuel,” he answered. 1 Samuel 28:11
I don't know.
Well I do IF THE BIBLE is to be believed, it was the ghost of Samuel, NOT SAUL as the scriptures make perfectly clear.
You need to keep up with scripture Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. But there again you never have read the bible for yourself although you charge Universities to lecture and tutor their students in holy scripture. They are being robbed by you Reverend "Tradey". But you are also a lawyer after all, and a master of small print so its to be expected. But didn't know your Saul from your Samuel, lawyer man. GOD! I would hate you as my lawyer.
I suspected you might raise this example.
BS! As usual you were simply caught out by your own bible ignorance, AGAIN!.
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@Tradesecret
I don't believe in ghosts.? There are at least 17 biblical verses that spring to my mind about Ghosts but you don't believe in ghosts.🤣As for ghosts. LOL! I don't believe in ghosts. Yes, the Holy Ghost or Spirit is not a ghost per se.
Then what is it if not a ghost as THE BIBLE claims it is? And didn't a woman speak to a ghost on behalf of Saul?
No I don't pray for the dead. There is no point.
I agree but then we have Peter I believe praying for the "dead"Tabitha, or Dorcas when Jesus himself said praying for the dead was pointless. Then again doesn't the bible suggest that Jesus prayed for the "dead" Lazarus? <<< That is a question and not an assertion.
Besides - I am not catholic. I can't pray for people's forgiveness.
I know your not a Catholic. So are you saying that because you are not a Catholic that it is not your choice that you can't pray for the dead, Reverend "Tradey"?
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@Tradesecret
I don't believe in ghosts.
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There are at least 17 biblical verses that spring to my mind about Ghosts but you don't believe in ghosts.🤣
I will wait for you to give us your definition of what Ghosts are.
I never pray for a person once they are dead.
What kind of Pastor and Chaplain are you!?🤣
Chaplain to your "countries Defence Forces" and you never pray for the dead!????
"Tradey " Tradesecrete wrote "I
am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I
am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I
could not have without proper qualifications". #20
Not even all those Australian soldiers of the Australian Defence Force that you minister to and that had died in the Iraq and Afghan wars!???
Did you not at least pray that they will be forgiven for their sins!??
Once someone is dead - they are dead. Finito. #14
Is that what the bible says ?
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@rosends
I made no comment about what Judiasm is. I showed what scripture clearly says. The doctrine of resurrection is in the text, regardless of what some Jews say.You are commenting in a thread specifically about the Jewish system and showing what you believe the scripture says. Those are two different positions.
He's far too much of a dunce to realise this never mind admit it, Rosi. He will just argue the Christian stance on resurrection in a thread strictly concerning
"the Jewish system " as per thread title.
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@Tradesecret
I was wondering whether you were still alive or not.
More alive than you will ever live to be Reverend "tradey".🤣
I don't tell lies. I own up to mistakes.
I know different.
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@Bones
One of the best and most productive things one can do is admit when they have gotten something wrong. People shouldn't be hustled when they come to a new conclusion, it is a good thing - it is a sign that the conversation is moving and it is a sign that the person who changes their mind is intellectually capable of more than 1 dimensional thinking. People who never change their mind are either mentally incapable of interpreting information or simply not interested in the pursuit for knowledge.Trade, we have no quarrels and I do not wish to start here, but your friend could learn a lesson from this.
Well in this case referred to by the Reverend "tradey " Tradesecrete above it wasn't a question about me being wrong in my comment about there being many sons of god, or about me changing my opinion, Bones. I was only admitting and apologising for me being wrong in the fact that had asked me a question where I believed he hadn't and that I genuinely had missed.
My opinion on there being other human "sons of god" in the bible hasn't changed. But the cretin "tradey" Tradesecrete didn't even know that there were other human (kings) sons of god in the bible and was insisting that there wasn't and asked for proof of my claim to which and in response, I proceeded to create a whole thread that proved me to be correct.
So even allowing for this Pastor and Chaplin's bible ignorance he should have known that (A) there are at least two kings that we know of that were directly called son of god by god himself and (B) he should have known that the whole nation of Israel were specifically called sons of god also by god himself.
He doesn't even know his title/s as Pastor and Chaplain is to be addressed "Reverend". Can one be more ignorant?
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@Tradesecret
Stephen like you forgot he had not answered my questions - and carried on pretty much like you are now - only for me to find it for him.He hated it and was forced to apologise. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4969/post-links/213820
I didn't hate anything and neither was I "forced to apologise". I apologised because it was the right and correct thing to do, as I always do, and I had genuinely missed your question. And I went on to answer your question by creating a whole thread on the matter that answered your question. But I would urge the reader who is interested to continue reading that link to MY thread that YOU posted and that shows you to be the complete and utter bible ignorant clergy clown that you are, not to mention that for someone that claims to be a Pastor and a Chaplain#20 didn't even know his own title was "Reverend"! and you where you left the thread in embarrassment. This shows you to be the lying toad that you are in anyone one of your three personas.
>>>>>> #58
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Get well soon Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete and give my best wishes to your other personas.
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@Tradesecret
And you have been banned because you were a nice bloke and did not nothing wrong.
Nope. I was banned for calling someone stupid and a clown. And the crybaby couldn't take it.
And I was banned for doxing a mod showing his/her double standards.
And I was banned for complaining that I didn't like the fact someone could have me on block but still interfere in my threads and respond to my posts without having a clear chance to respond direct to those that has blocked me.. For which I still believe is unfair and believe it is a problem that should be addressed.
And I think I was banned for telling someone I would flag them if they carried posting disgusting vile shite on my threads. It was an offence at the time to tell anyone that you would , will or had flagged them.
The way I heard you whine about in the past is that you were banned because of others.
Do you have a single example of that?
Your friend ethang and the person that you tell us that you aspire to be like is a documented sex pest. This is a fact.
Tradesecret wrote:
"Ethang5
is a good friend of mine. I have know him for a significant
period of time. And
if you think we are like each other, that is a huge compliment for
me. If I could be more like him, I would"
. #76 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5359-a-fallen-fine-tuned-universe
Well the man that you aspire to be like and say is a compliment to you was banned for the reasons set out below.
And in my opinion someone that continually indulges in sexual harassment is nothing short of a sex pest. Or did you miss this:
>>> Added07.20.20 08:37AM
Date: 07/20/2020
Moderator: Ragnar
You haven't reached ethangs level of disgusting vileness but you have certainly surpassed him in retarded and cretinous idiocy.🤣
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey", all three of you.
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@Tradesecret
That does not make him a sex pest. Duh!
Opinion!
And in my opinion someone that continually indulges in sexual harassment is nothing short of a sex pest. Or did you miss this:
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@BrotherDThomas
Lest we forget the blatant ungodly FACT of Tradesecret in recent time in having 5 DIFFERENT GENDERS within their Profile Page as embarrassingly shown in the link herewith: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6594-diversity-of-religious-experience-a-problem-for-monotheists-from-a-polytheist-prospective?page=3&post_number=53
His/her indecision will be down to not remembering which of his personas are male and which are female, is my guess Brother.🤣
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@ethang5
the mods only see my "ugly stuff",
Well you are officially the sex pest on the forum.
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You will be complaining next that moderation is racist. It's always someone else and never yourself that is to blame isn't it?
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@ethang5
Nope. Wrong again! He says there is "clear biblical evidence" that john the baptist anointed Jesus king. I haven't seen it. I want to see it.So you've forgotten your clunker that God "failed" to tell Mary?
Nope.WRONG AGAIN!
So I can expect you to let us see where god did tell the "blessed among women" of her sons torturous demise?
Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock....
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@Tradesecret
I know.Its about the things god seemed to have omitted to tell Mary his mother. And Its about all the things that his mother Mary was promised about her son and god failed and had forsaken both Mary and Jesus - for which there actually IS bible evidence from the lips of Jesus himself. And that would include him inheriting the throne of David and becoming king, but nowhere does it say that Jesus was ever anointed king by John the baptist for which YOU claim there is "clear evidence" that he was. So lets see your "clear biblical evidence".Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”YEP, god certainly turned his back on his own boy and the "blessed among women" his mother Mary didn't he , you clown?Luke 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.Off you go now. And don't forget that " clear evidence " or don't come back.This thread is Not about JTB.
This thread is what I say its about. Now where is this "clear biblical evidence " that shows John the baptist anointed Jesus a king? Put up or simply leave MY thread
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@Tradesecret
That may be true for some? But not myself, Witch. I believe the bible to have much historicity to it and believe many of the biblical characters to have existed, minus the so called miracles.don't forget to mention your favorite little fairy tale.
Which is what exactly?
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@ethang5
Nope. The mods -Ragnar's - comment was simply to say that I wasn't posting under any other usurer name as per the accusation .Learn to read thicko!
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@Polytheist-Witch
The atheist personality demands that they be as different from everyone else as possible.
That may be true for some? But not myself, Witch. I believe the bible to have much historicity to it and believe many of the biblical characters to have existed, minus the so called miracles.
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@ethang5
How can you ask Tradesecret for "Clear evidence" of something that you agree doesn't exist?
Nope. Wrong again! He says there is "clear biblical evidence" that john the baptist anointed Jesus king. I haven't seen it. I want to see it.
And I didn't agree that there was no evidence. I said I agree that John may well of baptised Jesus king but I cannot prove it, to which he replied that there was "clear biblical evidence".
It was his claim, not mine. So you go and play your silly games elsewhere. Or I will block you.
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@Tradesecret
@Timid8967
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dimtim wrote:Reverend tradesecrete, It seems pointless to do so - but I am not Stephen. Nor am I am Brother Thomas.Would you please stop accusing me of this. It is not true and there is no proof of it anyway. Stephen and others so it seems think you and Ethang are the same or share a password. I have to admit - you both seem very similar. And if you are not the same person - then the similarities are simply astounding. Are you ever going to answer my questions or are you just going to continue on like all the other frauds on this thread?Tradesecrete wrote: Well, well, you are still alive.Where have you been? If you want people to stop accusing you of being fake, stop following the lead of Stevie Blunder and Brother DTs.What question do you want me to answer ? I'm sure I've answered all of yours.
@ Dimtim
No one is fooled by either of your bullshite.
For 1 , Dimtim you haven't asked "Tradey" Tradesecrete a single question on this thread. Not a one. And 2, this is why he is unable to answer you, you absolute clown. And neither has he asked you any on this thread.
@ the Reverend "tradey" Tradesecrete .
I have told you many times now Tradey" Tradesecrete, you have to keep up with what all of your personas are actually saying in your name or each others. You are just far too dumb to be able to juggle them all at the same time. 🤣
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@Tradesecret
You do if you claim there to be "clear evidence" you dunce. Your double standards are dually noted, you clown.Where in the bible is your "clear biblical evidence" that John the Baptist anointed Jesus a king. You don't have any do you? So who there was making the great assumption and or assertions, you clown.This thread is not about John the Baptist.
I know.
Its about the things god seemed to have omitted to tell Mary his mother. And Its about all the things that his mother Mary was promised about here son and god failed and had forsaken both Mary and Jesus - for which there actually IS bible evidence from the lips of Jesus himself. And that would include him inheriting the throne of David and becoming king, but nowhere does it say that Jesus was ever anointed king by John the baptist for which YOU claim there is "clear evidence" that he was. So lets see your "clear biblical evidence".
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”
YEP, god certainly turned his back on his own boy and the "blessed among women" his mother Mary didn't he , you clown?
Luke 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.
Off you go now. And don't forget that " clear evidence " or don't come back.
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@Wylted
Where did the light on the first day come from?I believe he is referring to the son, but he may be describing the explosion of light from the big bang.
So you don't know then.
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@Wylted
Just start with knowing the universe has a creator,
Stop it ffs!
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day[the sun] and the lesser light to govern the night [the moon]. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Where did the light on the first day come from?
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@Tradesecret
Well can you show where he did?I don't need to.
You do if you claim there to be "clear evidence" you dunce. Your double standards are dually noted, you clown.
Where in the bible is your "clear biblical evidence" that John the Baptist anointed Jesus a king. You don't have any do you? So who there was making the great assumption and or assertions, you clown.
Of you go now. It must be time for bed in any one of your imagined time zones, Reverend "tradey" .
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