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@ RationalMadman,
If I were Adolf Hitler's mother, I wouldn't do it even if God blackmailed me. Why did God put me in that position and how do I know I'm not just becoming psychotic and schizophrenic thinking another entity with supreme power compelled me to murder my offspring?
And I am sure that this would be no defence in a court of law as I am sure the Lawyer and Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete will attest.
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@Sum1hugme
Does anyone like war books?
The Old Testament (author/s unknown). The Jewish Wars - Flavius Josephus. Ancient Rome: The Rise and Fall of an Empire - Simon Johns. The Washing of the Spears: A History of the Rise of the Zulu Nation - Donald Morris..... and quite a few more World at War I & II. The Egyptian Wars & Weapons.
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@Tradesecret
Those two passages clearly declare that the result of disobeying God would inevitably end with the Israelites committing these foul and heinous offences.Yes obscene aren't they? Biblical obscenities.Surprise! Surprise! Imagine Stephen mixing two concepts and pretending they are the same thing?????
Obscenity Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete, obscenity.
You really are dense, aren't you, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete? Pornography is acceptable and not offensive to some if not many (a multi million £ industry by all accounts) but just the thought of eating the flesh of one's own children , I should imagine is totally repulsive, ie obscene to the largest part of the worlds population.
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@Tradesecret
Those two passages clearly declare that the result of disobeying God would inevitably end with the Israelites committing these foul and heinous offences.
Yes obscene aren't they? Biblical obscenities.
So I guess by your pointing to "obscenity", that you concede that there is no pornography within the text. Thanks for the concession.
You do love your assumptions don't you. I don't believe that I have conceded anything.
...............woke socialist. They consider it evil and full of hate speech.
More assumptions. I am not "woke", not sure about a socialist. Unlike your god, I do not believe homosexuals should be put to death because of the way HE created them. And unlike your other persona dimwit tim, I don't believe that the bible should be banned or destroyed or thrown on a fire.
But for you to deny that there is hate speech and "evil " written in the bible would be for you to be - predictably - in denial.
Luke 14:26 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple.
Off you go now Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. I am far too idle to pull the rest of your waffling word salad to shreds.
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@Tradesecret
Your dilemma is not a Christian dilemma.
That will be because you are far too bible ignorant to see it never mind admit to it. Adopting a god that you don't understand, from a time that you don't understand and from a culture you don't understand is the cross you have to bare and the rod that you have made for your own back, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.
And what else you are failing to see (no surprises) is the "obscenity" of the verses as have been clearly pointed out by the Brother.
Do you not see the obscenity in eating ones own children Levitcus 26:29? or Deuteronomy 28:53-57? Both written for the children of Israel audience of gods chosen people and which you and Christians have attached yourselves to?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Therefore I returned as Brother D. Thomas in using the period after my middle initial.
Yes I noticed that. And a lovely new avatar too.
In prayer with Jesus He told me to get my ass back into DEBATEART Religion forum post haste because the pseudo-christians were running amuck and making fools of themselves in His name.......
The " the pseudo-christians" appear to be doing more arguing among themselves. .... what's new,?
........to help you out!
Then he doesn't know me too well, does he? There again, he probably doesn't know his own biography too well either.
Do we just ignore the Bible inept Polytheistwitch.
The Witch may be bible inept, Brother, but she knows enough to know that the myth wrapped around a very human being named Jesus by Christians has all been lifted from her own or many other ancient pagan beliefs. I will always give credit where I believe is is rightly due. And I like the Witch... but don't tell her.
Nice to see you back.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Welcome back Brother D.
Nice to see you have returned with an interesting dilemma😊
Looks like your post count has taken a serious hammering there Brother and your awards too. Were you given a reason for this extra penalty?
Brother D Thomas' very last post before ban
Posts: 2,142
Brother D Thomas' second post since his return from his ban
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@Polytheist-Witch
Indeed,Witch.
It appears that the Brother is calling out to believers to solve this Christian dilemma.
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' Star witness ' Gaige - "bicep boy" - Grosskreutz. Didn't he do well...... for the defence.
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@Tradesecret
Nice Ethanic jibe.I don't mind being compared to Ethang. (Did you read that Stephen? Put that in your little list of quotes. )
Duly noted. Not much of your shite gets passed me, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. And I'd be failing in my duty to inform the members of this forum of your so,so impressive CV of " qualification's and accreditation's " and who you aspire to be like. 😁
I don't understand how it is ethan like though.
That is because you are far too dim......tim, too.
zedvictor4 wrote: Testimonials of fact for sure.Tradesecret wrote:: Ha Ha. You are not relying on testimonies of fact. You are relying upon testimonies of other people. That is not fact.
Read your reply very slowly, and note the bold above in particular.
You just cannot suppress your real character/s for too long can you , Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete?
I'm not ONLY relying on testimonials - but the evidence of many independent reporters from many parts of history.
Relying on? What evidence? From who ? And why?
Again you make excellent points. Perhaps we are all delusional.
Nope, it is you that has made the claim, sunshine. Now is all you have to do is prove it.
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@Tradesecret
So just to make sure I understand you Stephen, you reject science in the favour of testimonials?
I believe you missed your own blinding hypocrisy.
But Zed would suggest that it is only words in a book
As do YOU, and often;
Are you saying that the Solomon Islands do not exist? Are you saying that Her Majesty Queen of England is not the head of state for the Solomon Islands. Here educate yourself you pompous penis.yes I do believe the Solomon Islands exist.
Then your argument is moot.
And it is as I have said previously, you are now simply arguing for arguments sake.#298. And you claim to be- among many other things - a lawyer! No lawyer I know would attempt this pointless tactic in a courtroom setting:
In a court room it might be considered evidence if the person swears on it.
Nope! And here you are again bringing an ancient story into a 21st century the courtroom setting. You have attempted this bullshite before and failed miserably.
You have once more painted yourself into a tight theological corner from which there is no getting out of. And typically arguing for arguments sake!#298.
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@zedvictor4
Sorry Trade.But that is all arrogant bunkum.
It is. And well worthy of the man that he tells us he aspires to be like.#76
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@Tradesecret
tradesecrete wrote: Well, that is the point - you can't prove it. You must rely upon testimony. And at the end of the day - even if you prove it to yourself by going somewhere - to prove it to me requires what? Your testimony. Unless you are going to pay for me to travel to a place - you think is called the Solomon Islands. This is the point. It is a ridiculous standard.ludofl3x wrote: Wait, so the only standard of evidence you'd accept on the existence of anything is first hand experience? So the countless pieces of evidence pointing to the existence of the Solomon Islands, like pictures of it, accounts of others about their travels there, location on a map, numerous independently verifiable evidence, none of those convince you? I don't need to go to Wyoming to know it exists. Do you? Just trying to understand your position here.Tradesecrete wrote: That is not what I am saying. And what are the countless pieces of evidence point to Solomon Island being real? A picture can be faked. People's accounts can be wrong and mistaken. Just because people say they have been there is not evidence. A location can be suggested. None of these are actual evidence of its existence. All of this is simply testimony. Other people's testimony. And my point is Zed believes all of this on faith.
FFS!, You are drowning in your own bullshite and just cannot accept it.
If this book provides all of this testimony is it evidence?
No. It is only testimony until it is proven and accepted to be fact, my lawyer friend. The ancient anonymous writers of the gospels were not eyewitness accounts and neither are you.
In a court room it might be considered evidence if the person swears on it.
Nope! And here you are again bringing an ancient story into a 21st century the courtroom setting. You have attempted this bullshite before and failed miserably.
You have once more painted yourself into a tight theological corner from which there is no getting out of. And typically arguing for arguments sake!
Jesus makes it reasonably clear what and where the/his "kingdom of heaven" is, as does historian Josephus and it is not up in the fkn sky. I did say that you hit the post with an earlier comment#23 but then shot yourself in the foot with your following comment.
And in fact, Josephus gives us a lovely description of the "kingdom of heaven" which strangely has been omitted from the NT. I wonder why?
But Zed would suggest that it is only words in a book
As do YOU, and often;
"The bible "? The same bible that you say is "just a book that can't cause anything". #3 ?
And full of words about which you say "Words are words, and that is all they are". #45 ".
Are you saying that the Solomon Islands do not exist? Are you saying that Her Majesty Queen of England is not the head of state for the Solomon Islands. Here educate yourself you pompous penis.
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@Tradesecret
the Bible tells us that Jesus died and rose physically from the grave. I have never experienced people rising from the grave. I have heard stories - but never experienced it myself. So do I start with my own experience or with the Bible? My answer is going to be - with the bible. [..................................] When it comes to my theology - I do not have to experience Jesus rising from the dead to know he has risen from the dead.
"The bible "? The same bible that you say is "just a book that can't cause anything". #3 ?
And full of words about which you say "Words
are words, and that is all they are". #45 ".
Written by unknown ancients thousands of years ago in another time, culture and society. A book that has been translated, mistranslated and expunged over millennia.
You really are a contradictory, sanctimonious, condescending, jumped up, self important bellend, aren't you , Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete?
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@Tradesecret
The bible does not tell us there are multiple Gods.
It very clearly does. There are multiple references to other gods IN THE BIBLE.
The Bible clearly distinguishes between the ONE true God and every other pretender.
No it doesn't. In fact the bible only holds that the Hebrew god as saying "there is no other god but me". Isaiah 45:5 Well he would wouldn't he.
You and your personal Hebrew teacher#45 can make the claim that there is "only one god" but this doesn't and never will alter the very clear fact that THE BIBLE holds that there were / are many gods.
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@Tradesecret
@zedvictor4: So where exactly is heaven?Tradesecret: I say on earth.
I believe that you hit the post with that answer, Reverend "Tradey" biblically speaking of course. I'm impressed! 😊 But why do you say that heaven is "on earth"?
@zedvictor4: So how would we get there?Tradesecret: Well, I suggest trusting in Jesus and then dying.
And then you go and blow your first answer out the water with your follow up answer. 😒
@zedvictor4 Even travelling at light speed it would take millions of years.Or is it just more theistic magic?Tradesecret: Sorry Heaven is not out there - it is here.
Nice recovery there Reverend "Tradey". I am impressed again.😊 Why do you say " it is here"?
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@Tradesecret
@zedvictor4
The irony of a religious forum where the atheist comes in swaggering like he knows everything
Not to mention the theist that "swaggers in" preening himself and parading all his qualifications and accreditations, in the false belief that these imagined qualifications and accreditations put him at a higher ` holier than thou ` level than others...... on this forum.
Have a guess who that is, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete?
"I study the original languages, translate them to English", #25"I have my Hebrew teacher" #45"But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications". #20"I do understand Orthodoxy. I studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91"I counsel all of my clients never to answer yes or no. Why would I not take my own advice? Life is more complex than black and white - yes and no answers". #15" I am a lawyer" #20
Some serious swaggering going on there, me thinks, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. Yet you admit that is all you really do at the end of the day is:
" I merely pass on the teaching of what i have received." #20
You are a bible ignorant clown and you should add that to all of your other imagined "qualifications and accreditations".
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@MonkeyKing
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [..........................]I've been mulling over a curious question [..............] For some reason though this passage continues to be one that I chew on and haven't had a satisfactory answer yet. If anyone has any insight or other source I haven't seen yet I am open to it.
Then "mull" and "chew" no ,longer
The passage is simple enough. Jesus lost his faith. After all the promises made by the Gabriel to his mother of her son "inheriting the throne of David, becoming king to rule over the Jews with a kingdom that will never end", which in reality came to nothing. He failed to unite the tribes of Israel, failed to rebuild the temple, failed to free the Jews from the Roman yoke and failed to bring peace to earth all of which were expected of a messiah. Instead he ended up nailed to a cross with a view overlooking the Kidron Valley for crimes against Rome with the help of the Jewish elders thereby putting an end to the claims that he was a messiah. Is it any wonder he cried out;
"Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me"? Matthew 27:46
His god let him down something serious and was totally abandoned by him, imo. Or maybe he wasn't the expected messiah after all? The Jews didn't think so.
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@Polytheist-Witch
There's one of them there stupid repeat comments.
And are these examples of those "same stupid questions that are repeated over and over and over" that you referred to earlier here #183and here #190 ? Witch
Tradesecrete wrote: What is your understanding of heaven and why?Is the heaven - if it exists - that some people go to when they die - the same one we end up in?Do we have bodies?Is Hell real?If so what is it like?And heaven - does it consist in time or in eternity?
What about this question? Is this also stupid too?
"Does the Bible, Torah or Koran not address these"?#3
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@Polytheist-Witch
Same stupid questions, same stupid comments.
Look at it this way, Witch. Do you not think the story of the boy god missing for a whole day without the mother at least noticing he was not in their company to be somewhat stupid?
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@zedvictor4
Though Joe was clearly a bit stupid.
I think he wised up eventually to what had gone on though, Vic lad. He, but for one mention after the birth of the runaway son, disappears from scripture altogether.
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@zedvictor4
And I expect that Stephen will stop asking "stupid questions".
Like, how did both Mary and Joseph manage to lose their young son for a whole day before noticing he was even missing? It took them tree days to find him.... all the way back in Jerusalem. And didn't even give him a clip around his royal head.
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@Polytheist-Witch
The forum is about religion.
And I have created almost 100 threads all about that very subject.
I don't have to discuss any gods I don't want to or any holy books I don't want to.
No you don't. But what else should one be expected to discuss on a religion forum, Witch? Numismatics, balloon modelling perhaps?
I have no problem telling the female atheist the same thing I tell you.
I can believe that. Considering women that dislike, hates and despises other women are also known as misogynist too.
And I'm not discussing anything with people that don't give a crap
That you only believe "don't give a crap" is what your trying to say, aren't you? And the simple reply to that is ; then don't discuss. I didn't drag you to this thread kicking and screaming, Witch. You came of your own free will just like everyone else here on this thread and this forum.
anyway you're just here to tell everybody that they're mentally ill and that they're illogical and that they're stupid that you hate them so just quit.
Stop being so dramatic. Leave the thread if it or I upset you so much..... and I can admit to hating only one person in the whole of my life that I have known personally. Where as you you simply hate any faceless person on the www that gets up your big, bent witches hooter .
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@Polytheist-Witch
atheists come in and post the same bull crap over and over again.
I don't believe I do that at all, Witch. Unless I think my question has been missed then I may repost it..
why are you arguing with us about it.
"us"? from she that spits;
I'm not a f****** Christian I'm not answering f****** Christian questions
Like most things, Witch, the fact that this is a sub forum to discuss and argue points on god and the scriptures seems to have gone clean over your wide brimmed conical head gear.
just here to vent your anger
So you keep saying, but no one here to my knowledge vents their venom more than yourself especially towards men. Your own misandry is renown.
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@Polytheist-Witch
they want they want to vent their hate and anger
Would be nice nice if you produce some of this "venting of hate and anger" Witch? I have asked a very learned man some simple basic theological questions that he, all of sudden, declines to answer while inviting his university students to question him on all things god and religion. I personally cannot fathom out his reluctance to oblige given the FACT that he claims to be a Pastor and a Chaplain, can you, Witch?
Maybe you can help him out. Tell me , Witch, why did it take a torturous blood sacrifice of a man to cleans the world of "sin"? Why didn't the all powerful god of the Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete simply order sin to be gone from the world for all of us and tell us all that all sin has been forgiven.
You have been following this thread I assume, Witch?
Here, you are in case you are too lazy to catch up:
Tradesecret wrote: Sin is the issue for a Holy God. It is what separated humanity from God. It is why Jesus died on the cross. God's solution to the world's problems is to deal with sin. That is what he has done through Jesus. #119
So when you are ready, Witch off you go.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Tell me how atheist claim did not be misogynist pigs but then they're f****** misogynist pigs about every theist woman they encounter.
There is much misogyny in the scriptures , Witch. Women are second class and shouldn't be allowed to preach their beliefs and only to take instructions from their husbands.
1 Corinthians 14:35 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church".
1 Timothy 2:11 11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
MISOGYNY or what, Witch!?
Mary Magdalene has been branded a "scarlet women" (prostitute) by the church for millennia. Mary , Jesus' mother has almost been completely written out of scripture once she gave birth to the Christ. On one of the very few occasion she is mentioned, she believes Jesus was mad. The gnostic gospels has Mary Magdalene crying to Jesus in utter fear of Peter . Peter that says "women are not worthy of life"!
MISOGYNY or what, Witch!?
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@zedvictor4
whereas Stephen wants clarification of all the minor biblical details.All that I want, is real proof of the major detail.
And who better to ask than a man that claims to be a tutor and lecturer in religious studies. #20 Who better to ask than a man of the cloth that lectures in all matters god and bible? That has " studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91 That had his own personal "Hebrew teacher"#45 and that claims to "study the original languages, translate them to English", #25 ? That also claims to be qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation and also tells us that he is " a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications". #20 ? And on top of all this , a lawyer too!!!
All that I want, is real proof of the major detail.
It'll be a long time coming , Vic lad.
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@Tradesecret
Go and jump back in your rabbit hole - with your tin foil hat.
You missed the questions that you say the bible answers Reverend "Tradey" Ttradesecrete. Or is this just you -AGAIN - claiming there to be "clear biblical evidence" where there isn't any?
here you go;
Take Lazarus; He was obviously a character of some great importance to Jesus and the Jews wanted him dead, but the bible never explains why? What happened to Lazarus "who Jesus loved and wept over "after he was said to have been "raised from the dead", where does he go? What does he do?Well actually they do - but you refuse to accept the evidence.
Then answer the questions, with supporting the evidence .
I have never seen any evidence. Lets see it? And you do mean the literal and physical "dead" don't you? I believe it was only a spiritual "death", myself and the "raising" was simply to another level in the Jesus movement. Anyway, don't forget that evidence Reverend.
A man allegedly raised from the dead is a threat to people who see the person who allegedly raised him from the dead. I think afterwards, he probably wrote the gospel we know as John.
And your biblical evidence for this is what, exactly? Or are you simply affording yourself conjecture whilst denying other the same privilege AGAIN?
A man allegedly raised from the dead
"ALLEGEDLY!!!!"? Either Jesus raised the rotten stinking 4 day old corpse of Lazarus or he didn't. What say you Reverend?
What is the bet you have not had a vaccine.
You'd lose - again.😁 Double jabbed and waiting for my booster. Although I admit to some scepticism where all medicines are concerned. You see Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete what may work for some doesn't necessarily work for others. And a man of your extremely "alleged" high learning should know this fact.
Get well soon, all three of you.🤣
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@Polytheist-Witch
I wasn't talking to you. Not my job to make you feel better about things I say.
But you have "guaranteed just about anybody that post here " Witch ' How can you make such guarantees?
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@Polytheist-Witch
I can guarantee you it's not the first or last time around for just about anybody that post here.
Ok. Now convince me.
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@Tradesecret
England of course - particularly around Droitwich Worcestershire I reckon is full of the most obvious losers.
I am replying to the "Tradey" Tradesecrete today I take it? I ask this because your response above is all very Ethangesque today. Have you recalled him from his exile?
Regardless. It is a very stupid thing to say there Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.
But like I have mentioned before Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete, You never do your homework before spouting off that big preachers pie hole of yours.. There are many scholars, academics, authors , poets, physicians, scientists and even one Prime Minister hail from my neck of the words and it doesn't surprise me in the least that you didn't know one them in particular that you should know.
Take Lazarus; He was obviously a character of some great importance to Jesus and the Jews wanted him dead, but the bible never explains why? What happened to Lazarus "who Jesus loved and wept over "after he was said to have been "raised from the dead", where does he go? What does he do?Well actually they do - but you refuse to accept the evidence.
Then answer the questions, with supporting the evidence .
I have never seen any evidence. Lets see it? And you do mean the literal and physical "dead" don't you? I believe it was only a spiritual "death", myself and the "raising" was simply to another level in the Jesus movement. Anyway, don't forget that evidence Reverend,
A man allegedly raised from the dead is a threat to people who see the person who allegedly raised him from the dead. I think afterwards, he probably wrote the gospel we know as John.
And your biblical evidence for this is what, exactly? Or are you simply affording yourself conjecture whilst denying other the same privilege AGAIN.
Why didn't Jesus afford the same "miracle" of resurrection to John the Baptist his own blood and said by Jesus to be " the "greatest prophet that ever lived" when he died yet didn't even weep over?Ah, relying upon that old chestnut. LOL! the argument from silence.
So you are assuming that Jesus did cry over the death of John his cousin and did resurrect him, without a single jot of supporting evidence yet deny the same to others. You use this argument all the time.
I once asked you how did anyone know what was said between Satan and Jesus when only two of them was present and alone in the desert, you claimed that he told others, but failed again to support this nonsense and failed to admit that you were only using conjecture. Why can you not simply admit that you are ONLY assuming certain things and making conjectures. Or simply say that you do not know?
You have NOT ONCE offered an alternative position that any would be content to replace what you spend your life destroying.My position has been made clear on many occasions on this forum so many times that I am sick of having to repeat it and to you especially.Yes your position has been made abundantly clear.
Then why keep asking me what my position is you bible dunce?
Nevertheless, if he [Stephen] were to ask genuine questions
They are genuine questions. You just don't like them because you cannot answer them, when you should be able to or simply be able to admit that you don't know, when you don't know.
Get well soon Reverend ethangtradey Tradesecrete.
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@zedvictor4
Two minds inextricably locked.
Such is the nature of the subject matter, Vic lad. More interesting to me is that he refuses to answer questions concerning the subject of his life choice vocation while he continues to respond with anything but answers and then goes on to accuse me of "endlessly goading " him!?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Oh please if he was lecturing on anything other than theism you wouldn't give a crap.
This is true. I wouldn't give a crap if he lectured on anything else.
But he does lecture on the bible and tutors students in all matters biblical and religion, doesn't he , Witch? He is both a Pastor and a Chaplin to his countries armed forces too with many "qualifications and "accreditations" in religious instruction. He tells us that he "encourages his students to question" him too, yet extremely reluctant to answer what he himself calls "very basic questions" on a religion forum that he has freely joined ?
Are you seriously saying that of all the members posting on this religion forum that the one NOT to ask questions concerning anything god and scripture that the Reverend Tradesecrete is NOT the one to ask about matters of god, the bible and religion?
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@Tradesecret
My students are prepared to listen and reason with me. They argue with me - which I encourage them to do.
Yet fail to qualify your own statements made about god and scripture on this forum. You must have the dumbest students in all of Australia, or have you moved to another country this week?.
On the other hand, you think you are the MASTER TEACHER and although you suggest you are simply asking questions - it is not to learn.
Opinion doesn't count for anything, Reverend.
MASTER TEACHER
Nope. I am not here to teach anyone about anything. I simply ask questions concerning these unreliable scriptures, make comments and share my thoughts , ideas and opinions about your unreliable scriptures. And as I have already said, who better to ask than someone with your excellent accreditations and qualifications.#20
It is to intentionally find holes in other people's reasoning.
That will be discussion and debate, Reverend. And there shouldn't be any holes to find if your reasoning is sound and the New Testament is sound, now should there be? But holes there are. The point Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete is that the Jesus story is full of holes because it is made up of ambiguous half stories contradictions and dead ends.
Take Lazarus; He was obviously a character of some great importance to Jesus and the Jews wanted him dead, but the bible never explains why? What happened to Lazarus "who Jesus loved and wept over "after he was said to have been "raised from the dead", where does he go? What does he do?
Why didn't Jesus afford the same "miracle" of resurrection to John the Baptist his own blood and said by Jesus to be " the "greatest prophet that ever lived" when he died yet didn't even weep over?
Where did Jesus stay while growing up in Egypt. Who taught him his craft? What happened to Mary "the blessed among women" who but for a few verses seems to have been written out of scripture altogether? And Joseph, where did he disappear to?
So do you see Reverend how just a few simple questions about these unreliable biblical half stories can cause anyone interested had they mind to- to start looking closer at the bullshite that the likes of you have been for feeding mankind since their childhoods for millennia, ?
You - like most people find it easy to destroy - but you don't have the capacity to rebuild or to replace.
The Jesus story as it has come down to us and has been preached by the likes of you for millennia destroys itself and is reasonably easy to pick apart.
And tell me, what is it that you expect me or anyone to replace the Jesus story with once it has been scrutinised, picked apart and shown it for the unreliable mess that it is? Another unreliable story? I have said many times that I cannot support my own theories, opinions or ideas about what I believe is going on in the New Testament.
Someone - once said "you can't beat something with nothing".
Who said that? One of your other personas? But I agree with whoever said that. And you have nothing to defend you own statements and comments made up on the hoof concerning these unreliable scriptures, do you Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.
You have NOT ONCE offered an alternative position that any would be content to replace what you spend your life destroying.
My position has been made clear on many occasions on this forum so many times that I am sick of having to repeat it and to you especially.
You in particular Reverend afford yourself literary licence to throw into scripture anything you like and throw in conjecture at the drop of an hat while not allowing others to do the likewise and expect no one to challenge you because of your imagined status. Let me tell you, those days are long gone and the educated of the world do, and can, read the scriptures for themselves if they care to do so.
And this changes the world bit by bit - one person at a time. It was not meant to be an immediate thing for the whole world at once. It will however change over time - one person at a time - one family at a time - until the world is reconciled with God.
Does the bible actually say this, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete? Where?
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@RationalMadman,
Marbles episode was phenomenal.
As was the bridge.
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@Tradesecret
Not awkward. Not in the least. I just am not interested in answering your questions.
If you thought you could take them on you would have. But I think you know that by approaching these " "these very basic questions" that you would simply open the gate to the more difficult questions. Such is the nature of scripture: It hardly answers anything on the surface but gives rise to more questions than it OR YOU can answer.
As others will testify, I do answer when I desire too.
And those "others" will be your other two personas, I guess. Where is dimtim anyway? He seems to have left you all stranded to make it on your own🤣. And the forum sex pest ethang5, your roll model who you aspire" to be like" #76 has had yet another ban for multiple offences including ""Unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives," #34
Never mind Reverend "Tradey". You have show yourself to be spinless when caught on the back foot many times now.
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@Tradesecret
No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them. #20Is your answer to those students to simply tell them to fk off and "do their own home work"? Have you never explained to them why it was that only a violent and vicious sacrifice of the blood of a man could be the only solution to "dealing with the problem of sin"?For the record - I don't believe Jesus died for every person in the world.I agree; but why not every person in the world? What was the point of a torturous blood sacrifice anyway? Why couldn't your all powerful god simply say all sin is forgiven for everyone? Is it because you accept that Jesus HIMSELF SAID I came to save "ONLY lost " Jews! at (apparently) a risk to his own life, as the bible makes perfectly clear?Mt 15:21-28 spell out that the god that supposedly sent Jesus sought above everyone else to save his chosen people: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” And nope, not a christian in sight. The Jews were his "treasured possession" above of all other people.And this changes the world bit by bit - one person at a time. It was not meant to be an immediate thing for the whole world at once. It will however change over time - one person at a time - one family at a time - until the world is reconciled with God.Does the bible actually say this, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete? Where?I'm not interested in answering your questions.
Of course you're not. They are just a tinge too awkward for you aren't they Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete?🤣 And you with all those imagined "accreditations" and "qualifications" too!!! #20 🤣. There there, deary deary, never mind, get better soon.
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@Tradesecret
You seriously don't get it do you? I am not your little boy to go about doing your bidding.
You are a tutor and lecturer in religious studies. That is why I am asking you "these very basic questions" . Who better to ask than a man of the cloth that lectures in such matters? That has " studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and
fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91 That had his own personal "Hebrew teacher"#45 and that claims to "study
the original languages, translate them to English", #25 ?
You are the perfect candidate going by your own freely given expertise and qualifications, yet fall at the first fence when challenged on your own comments.
You don't want to learn.
I wouldn't be asking you "these very basic questions" if I didn't want to learn anything Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. Questions that you should have absolutely no problem addressing with all those qualifications under you belt. This is you isn't it Reverend "Tradey" ?
Tradescrete wrote: "Yes,
I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation.
I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I
could not have without proper qualifications". #20
You just want to make your point and EXPECT everyone to go "wow, isn't he wonderful"!
Nope. I want you to answer some of these "very basic questions".
Well I don't particularly think you do any homework. You just have read a couple of books - and simply cut and paste it.
And all irrelevant, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.
No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them. #20
Is your answer to those students to simply tell them to fk off and "do their own home work"? Have you never explained to them why it was that only a violent and vicious sacrifice of the blood of a man could be the only solution to "dealing with the problem of sin"?
And this changes the world bit by bit - one person at a time. It was not meant to be an immediate thing for the whole world at once. It will however change over time - one person at a time - one family at a time - until the world is reconciled with God.
Does the bible actually say this, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete? Where?
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@Tradesecret
My initial response was to a question about sin. I indicated and I repeat - God dealt with the problem of sin by sending Jesus.
Well Jesus` bloody and violent death didn't "deal with the problem of sin" either now did he Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. He was stopped in his tracks and died a tortuous and bloody violent death. It cured nothing then and cures nothing now. Tell me, how only by shedding the blood of a man did god deal with "the problem of sin"? How does that actually work?
For the record - I don't believe Jesus died for every person in the world.I agree; but why not every person in the world? What was the point of a torturous blood sacrifice anyway? Why couldn't your all powerful god simply say all sin is forgiven for everyone? Is it because you accept that Jesus HIMSELF SAID I came to save "ONLY lost " Jews! at (apparently) a risk to his own life, as the bible makes perfectly clear?Mt 15:21-28 spell out that the god that supposedly sent Jesus sought above everyone else to save his chosen people: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” And nope, not a christian in sight. The Jews were his "treasured possession" above of all other people.You can do your own homework Stevie. You have a bible. You have the internet. You probably have a big stack of books that can help you. It is not my job to explain these very basic things to you.
I am doing my homework REVEREND! I am asking YOU a man of the cloth and someone that should know and be able to provide the answers those "very basic things" that I am asking you.. After all, you are the one that comes here proudly boasting how you charge Universities for lecturing and tutoring their students in all things god and all manner of scripture. Are you saying that YOUR students haven't the brain to ask you questions concerning even " these very basic things" ?
No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them. #20
Is your answer to those student to simply tell them to fk off and "do their own home work"? Have you never explained to them why it was that only a violent and vicious sacrifice of the blood of a man could be the only solution to "dealing with the problem of sin"?
And this changes the world bit by bit - one person at a time. It was not meant to be an immediate thing for the whole world at once. It will however change over time - one person at a time - one family at a time - until the world is reconciled with God.
Does the bible actually say this, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete? Where?
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@BigPimpDaddy
Is squid game a metaphor for capitalism?
I watched this series. Surprisingly I did quite like it. I got the message it was about many things; tests of loyalty, survival, morals, ethics. The marbles game was interesting as was the glass bridge. I think they showed a lot about humans and what some would do or not do when put to the test.
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@Tradesecret
So once again - you misquote me - to make a strawman argument.
I quoted you exactly as you wrote it, Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete:
Tradesecret wrote: Sin is the issue for a Holy God. It is what separated humanity from God. It is why Jesus died on the cross.God's solution to the world's problems is to deal with sin. That is what he has done through Jesus. #119
See bold and underlined Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.
And I am saying that according to your own words that the blood sacrifice of his own son obviously wasn't enough as "sin" is still abound on the earth. Attempting to backpaddle on, and rewrite yet another one of your bullshit comments doesn't work. You simply make it all up as you go regardless of what is actually written in scripture.....
For the record - I don't believe Jesus died for every person in the world.
I agree; but why not every person in the world? What was the point of a torturous blood sacrifice anyway? Why couldn't your all powerful god simply say all sin is forgiven for everyone? Is it because you accept that Jesus HIMSELF SAID I came to save "ONLY lost " Jews! at (apparently) a risk to his own life, as the bible makes perfectly clear?
Mt 15:21-28 spell out that the god that supposedly sent Jesus sought above everyone else to save his chosen people: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” And nope, not a christian in sight. The Jews were his "treasured possession" above of all other people.
And this changes the world bit by bit - one person at a time. It was not meant to be an immediate thing for the whole world at once. It will however change over time - one person at a time - one family at a time - until the world is reconciled with God.
Does the bible actually say this, Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete? Where? Or is this simply more invented bullshite made up on the hoof?
until the world is reconciled with God.
It sounds to me more like you are quoting directly from the Quran:
Quran
8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah.
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Jesus never discussed politics.
The bible is riddled with politics. Government and religion where one and the same things in those times. The priests and the king made the laws of the land. And "render unto Caesar" is a political statement. And we are never allowed to forget that the Jesus story is allegedly all about ushering in a "new Kingdom".
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@Tradesecret
(A) Tradesecret wrote: Sin is the issue for a Holy God. It is what separated humanity from God. It is why Jesus died on the cross.God's solution to the world's problems is to deal with sin. That is what he has done through Jesus. #119So the torturous blood sacrifice of his son wasn't enough then? With the "worlds problems" still abound. Do you make this shite up on the hoof! , Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete?enough for what?And neither is baptism?please fill out your question.
To pay for and wash away the sins of the world, you bible ignorant dunce. See your own comment at (A) above. Obviously with "sin" still abound in the world your gods idea of cleansing the world of "sin"via a sacrifice of the blood of "his own son" doesn't seem to have gone anywhere in eradicating the sins of the world now does it Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete?
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@Tradesecret
Sin is the difference between heaven and earth. Sin is the issue for a Holy God. It is what separated humanity from God. It is why Jesus died on the cross. It is the problem between people.God is not worried about sin. What a silly thing to say. Yet that does not mean that God is going to tolerate sin.God's solution to the world's problems is to deal with sin. That is what he has done through Jesus.One heart at a time - reconciling humanity to God.Saying God should not be concerned about sin is like saying humans should not be worried about murder or pedophilia. Or that 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4.
What an absolute pile of old bollocks.
Sin is the issue for a Holy God. It is what separated humanity from God. It is why Jesus died on the cross.God's solution to the world's problems is to deal with sin. That is what he has done through Jesus.
So the torturous blood sacrifice of his son wasn't enough then? And neither is baptism? With the "worlds problems" still abound. Do you make this shite up on the hoof! , Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete?
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@949havoc
Gods do not finish speaking to man. Never have, never will.
English Standard Version
Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” Genesis 6:3
Sounds like total abandonment to me. Except when he wants to impart unknown "wisdom" to the Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete, then he's there in a flash.
Tradesecrete wrote: I asked him [god] for wisdom and he gave it to me. ..............
I prayed to the Holy Spirit for wisdom and the Holy Spirit told me - "don't trust the book of Mormon - it is a fake.".#53
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Christ knows when he is coming back.
Well not if the bible is to be believed, Deb.
Matthew 24:36
English Standard Version
No One Knows That Day and Hour
36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
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@Tradesecret
Yet as you will have noticed - his response ENTIRELY omitted to discuss that which you wanted to know. .............. it seems you don't even know there was a game.
So now you have played your game with 949havoc and believe yourself to have been the victor how about that you now address the questions I asked you that he failed to ask you.
I asked him [god] for wisdom and he gave it to me.
How did he impart to you this wisdom and what was it?
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I asked him [god] for wisdom and he gave it to me.How and what "wisdom" did he bestow on you?Stephen, LOL!Do you want to play this game? Ok.They are serious questions . I am not playing any game. Stop avoiding the question. You have made an astounding claim.I asked God for the wisdom to know whether the book of Mormon was the real deal or not.Yes you have already told us that you asked for wisdom. You haven't told us how he imparted this" wisdom" to you or what it was. Stop avoiding the questionSo, when you are ready Reverend "Tradey" I am sure some here would like to hear it. Especially myself.Hi Stephen,as I said to secularmerlin, my above comments were intended to draw 949havoc into conversation. I do not intend to respond further until he or she responds.Until he responds there is with respect nothing to discuss with those outside of his or my faith. No offence meant, this is simply an inhouse discussion.
My arse!. This is a discussion board where you have made an extraordinary and astounding claim that you are now refusing point blank to support or discuss.
I asked him [god] for wisdom and he gave it to me.
How did he give this wisdom to you and what was it?
I asked God for the wisdom to know whether the book of Mormon was the real deal or not.
So of all the questions that you could have asked your god about life and the universe this is the question that you chose?
as I said to secularmerlin, my above comments were intended to draw 949havoc into conversation.
Well we can only hope that 949havoc has the good sense to ask you the bleedin' obvious question here.
You are full of shite Reverend "Tradey" and are helpless without the interjections of your other personas.
Get well soon all three of you.
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@Tradesecret
I asked him [god] for wisdom and he gave it to me.How and what "wisdom" did he bestow on you?Stephen, LOL!Do you want to play this game? Ok.
They are serious questions . I am not playing any game. Stop avoiding the question. You have made an astounding claim.
I asked God for the wisdom to know whether the book of Mormon was the real deal or not.
Yes you have already told us that you asked for wisdom. You haven't told us how he imparted this" wisdom" to you or what it was. Stop avoiding the question
So, when you are ready Reverend "Tradey" I am sure some here would like to hear it. Especially myself.
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@Tradesecret
I asked him [god] for wisdom and he gave it to me.
How and what "wisdom" did he bestow on you?
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