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@Tradesecret
I have said yes. And you had my answer and reason why in your own question. Not very good at reading the written word are you. How many of those criminals that you were supposed to be defending ended up in prison, Reverend?
Read my op, stupid,
And as I mentioned recently, to be offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating.
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.
Get well soon reverend "tradey" Tradesecrete... all three of you.😂
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Now show us this "clear difference".It seems that you need to be healed of your blindness.I have asked you to show this "very clear difference" . You have failed and still have not done so.You are a liar. I have shown it on numerous occasions.
NOPE! You have shown nothing at all. Is all you have done is spout to us that there ARE " very clear difference" between a living flesh, blood and bone person and a once dead and resurrected flesh, blood and bone person and called this idea "plausible".
Tradesecrete wrote: I suggested that there is clearly a difference between a resurrected body and a non-resurrected one. #28
So what is the difference stupid? And let us see this "very clear difference".
You admit that you do not even know anything about resurrected bodies>>
Tradesecret wrote: What do we know about resurrected bodies? Not a great deal.#6
But you are telling us that there is a " very clear difference" . This is how stupid and contradictory you are. If we don't know anything about resurrected bodies, how is it that you can say that there are "very clear differences? thicko.
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@Tradesecret
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.Do you think people should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do?Yes or No.
The answer is in your own question, you clown. And you call yourself a "lawyer"?
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@ ationalMadman
You choose to complain about me never speaking against Islam
Not to my knowledge you do not. And 4 lines on the www is hardly a mass protest against the barbarity of Islam towards homosexuals. Islam wants you dead and eradicated from the face of the earth. Islam and many Muslims believe they are "putting you out of your misery". You won't find that line of thinking in a tolerant western society.
while opposing homophobia
And I keep telling A phobia is an extreme or irrational fear or dread of, or aversion to something.
Like I have said, the only funny thing about the homosexual " community" is your own phobia and" irrational fear" of those that are not homosexual as I have explained clearly above at >>> #28 Stephen you are the ones with the phobia. It is you; homosexuals that believe irrationally that anyone not homosexual is somehow a threat to you.. And where you choose to insert your penis is the last thing on my mind. You are not as important or victimised as you want to believe you are. YOU are the ones with the phobia princess.
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Stephen wrote: Paul was a self confessed liar that admitted to lying to further his cause , his own belief and his own agenda.
Above PGA is saying "no one is righteous, NOT EVEN ONE". The verses below contradict this.
Ok clown.
(1) Tell me how those biblical verses below do not contradict PGS excuse for Paul's lies.
(2) Put these biblical verses below into context to show PGA post is not contradicted by the bible.
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.Genesis 6:9
[Zechariah and Elizabeth] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.Luke 1:6
And if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless. 2 Peter 2:7
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4
Off you go stupid.
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humorous blunder
You really are as thick as you come across aren't you. Go back and look at what PGA posted in defence of Pauls lies.
Here you are , I will save you the trouble you lazy fkn trollop;
Stephen wrote: Paul was a self confessed liar that admitted to lying to further his cause , his own belief and his own agenda.
I then posted BIBLICAL verses that contradict the idiot. SEE HERE>>>
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.Genesis 6:9
[Zechariah and Elizabeth] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.Luke 1:6
And if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless. 2 Peter 2:7
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4
So you see, clown, PGA has been contradicted by the very same bible that he used to excuse Pauls lies🤣.
So unless you want to dispute that those verses do NOT contradict PGS failed attempt at excusing Paul and his fkn lies, you may as well just simply fk off to bed and read teddy some scriptures🤣
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@zedvictor4
@ebuc
Zed hits nail on the head
Yes. He's quite handy and sometimes timely with a hammer and a box of nails, is Vic lad.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Irony
Nope. Those verses contradict what Paul has to say in Romans 3:10 you absolute dunce. PGA2.0 was trying to excuse Pauls lies with his verse from Romans. Learn to fkn read.
The verse that PGA2.0 was stupid enough to choose to excuse Pauls lies is CLEARLY contradicted by other verse as I have clearly shown.
Now go back to bed or school you little armature. And read your bible when you want to take on those that have read the damn thing for themselves.
And as always, you can always put them into CONTEXT if you feel that I have taken them out of CONTEXT, but you never can. Can you.
😂😂🤣
Off you trot now.
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@PGA2.0
Your claim of cherry picking on my part is BS. It is you who do the cherry picking, time and time again.
CHERRY PICKING . CONTEXT TIME AND TIME AGAIN!!>>>>>>
John -John 20 records the resurrected Jesus appearing to the disciples and later to Thomas.19 Now when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were [b]shut where the disciples were together due to fear of the [c]Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and *said to them, “Peace be to you.” 20 And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord...26 [f]Eight days later His disciples were again inside, and Thomas was with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been [g]shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be to you.” 27 Then He *said to Thomas, “Place your finger here, and see My hands; and take your hand and put it into My side; and do not continue in disbelief, but be a believer.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you now believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”Acts -Acts 1:2 until the day when He was taken up to heaven, after He had given orders [b]by the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom He had chosen. 3 To [c]these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of things regarding the kingdom of God. 4 [d]Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for [e]what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; 5 for John baptized [f]with water, but you will be baptized [g]with the Holy Spirit [h]not many days from now.”...Peter -EyewitnessesFor we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.Then you have Paul's Damascus experience and I could probably cite many more recorded Scriptural instances, so you point does not meet the evidence of Scripture presented by many authors.Matthew -and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many.Mark -Mark 16 records Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of [a]James, and Salome witnessing the empty tomb and are told,"7 But go, tell His disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.’”Luke -just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,
You are of the stupid belief that taking a mishmash of verses from the New & Old Testaments in the hope that they appear to dove-tail nicely for the reader and that they will take this as one complete and coherent story is nothing less than slight of hand, by YOU!
We are not all as stupid as you believe we are.
Stephen wrote: Paul was a self confessed liar that admitted to lying to further his cause , his own belief and his own agenda.PGA2.0 wrote: "Romans 3:10as it is written: “There is no righteous person, not even one;..."
CONTEXT!!!
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.Genesis 6:9
[Zechariah and Elizabeth] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.Luke 1:6
And if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless. 2 Peter 2:7
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4
Let me know if you need any more lessons.
CONTEXT!!!!
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@BrotherDThomas
Polytheist-Witch,YOUR DUMBFOUNDED QUOTE TO STEPHEN IN WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW, AND DIDN'T!!!: " ....Polytheist-Witch wrote: I told you Jesus said specifically you can do all the good works you want it will not get you into heaven the only thing that gets you into heaven is believing on the son of God and accepting that I died for your sins."Polytheist-Witch, what part of the following inspired by Jesus passages don't you understand relative to your Bible ignorance above where you state "works" are not needed for salvation?!"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith obut does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:14–17)"Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?" (James 2:20)“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be.” (Revelation 22:12)
I was getting to that Brother. Then decided it wasn't worth the effort. The Witch gets quite upset and nasty when she has to think too hard and the obvious is pointed out to her.
STEPHEN, I am sorry that the "Witch" in calling you out made a fool of themselves again relative to the JUDEO-Chrisian Bible regarding "faith" and "works."
Contradiction aside Brother, you saved me the the trouble of pointing out the biblical obvious to her. Thank you.
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@Lit
The commandments of Jesus are too difficult to keep,
But there is a reward of a ticket to heaven and everlasting life and a one to one with god, if you can.
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@ RationalMadman,
RationalMadman wrote:Stephen, 2-3 days ago;You literally just said a series of lies. Muhammad in the Hadith glorifies honor killings and it's in no shape or form ruled out in the Qur'an so... You can pretend it's a western invention but even if that were true, the West has evolved and civilised, Sharia cultures clearly haven't.Brutal homophobia, sexism and basically everything-weird-phobia takes place in their societies. Anything remotely outside of the norm is shunned and can get you beaten the shit out of for daring to advocate for. I'd be beaten up if I said this in a Sharia nation in any remotely public manner.
Oh well. WOW! That is really going for the throat isn't it, you clown?. Four lines on the www. Now that really is taking head on Islams barbaric treatment of your homosexual brothers from the safe distance of your armchair in a western democratic and tolerant society isn't it? Where are your rallies and protest against Islam and its practices and treatment of homosexuals?
Like I have said, the only funny thing about the homosexual " community" is your own phobia and" irrational fear" of those that are not homosexual as I have explained clearly above at >>> #28 Stephen
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
“I personally would never use religious experience to determine my theology.”
Then you do not understand - or mores likely the case - you have never read 1 Corinthians 2:14
"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned". <<<< . You do know what that means don't you Reverend "tradey" Tradesecrete? It means that for all of your pretence and personas, god here is obviously talking about the likes of you.
Yet you tell us that you had a calling!???? That you are accredited and qualified to preach the word of god? From whom do you claim this authority?
How did you receive this calling: obviously not through a religious experience, was it? You simply don't know what a religious experience is as you are unable to judge either way what one is.
Did Ezekiel have a religious experience when he is said to have witnessed the chariot of god descend from heaven? Yes or no?
And doesn't god himself say some will have "visions come the day of the lord". ? Yes or no?
What about Habakkuk ? Did he not have a religious experience and told to write them down? Yes or no?
Did not Jacob experience a religious experience? Yes or now?
So when you are ready Reverend "Tradey" tradesecrete.
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@Castin
I believe we get our word "worship" from an older word that meant something like "worthship." In the Bible, God is simply worth it, knows it, and considers worship his due.
I thought it came from the original meaning of workship? I will get back you on that.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Works does not get you into heaven Jesus specifically said that that's why your statements false.Ok lets see if you are correct.Witch, Do you do people a good turn only to expect a good turn in return?I'm sure some of them do but you can do all the good work you want when you're a Christian it does not get you into heaven.
I was asking if you do good turns only to expect a good turn in return?
So to say I do good works cuz Jesus will let me into heaven is not correct
I didn't say that you do. I have simply asked you if YOU do good turns only to expect the same in return? Yes or No.
Jesus said the only way into heaven is through me so you can do all the good work she want if you don't believe Jesus died for your sins technically you don't get into heaven.
That`s correct. But then you have the problem of the promises made in sermon on the mount which does promise a reward simply for believing in him. And this is my whole point.
If we are going by the book.
I am going by "the book" which promises many rewards for being good and benevolent AND believing in him and his words. And to put it bluntly, this is nothing short of a bribe.
This is why I have asked in my OP:
Is offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating.
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.
I won't waste anymore of your time , Witch. If you haven't grasped the point I am making by now, you won't grasp it at all.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I never said I was going to answer.
You just don't know the answer if the truth is known. You are just another bible ignorant cretin in the line of the other bible ignorant cretins here who simply want to use this platform as your own pulpit but buckle at the first challenge. But let me tell ya, this is a RELIGION forum , it is not a RELIGIOUS forum. So if you are not prepared to be criticised and challenge on that which you believe, you are on and in the wrong forum.
Now go back to bed, teddy is waiting.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Oh, and don't for get to make sure you answers are biblically verifiable and in "context".So context does matter.
Of course it those you clown.. And you are welcome to put into "CONTEXT" any verse that you believe that I have taken out of context. But you NEVER , ever can.
Now for the SIXTH time; about those questions that you keep avoiding;
Does Paul make a distinction between a physical and a spiritual resurrection?
Did Jesus walk in to a closed room? If your answer is yes then simply tell us how did he did it?
If you don't want to answer simply stop bothering me , you idiot. Oh, and don't for get to make sure you answers are biblically verifiable and in "context".
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@BrotherDThomas
& RationalMadman,
🤣
RationalMadman, wrote:Homophobia isn't a joke."
Of course its a Joke. You just don't understand the word phobia.
I'll tell you what the joke is here.
A phobia is and extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something. And I find it irrational that homosexuals believe everyone fears them because they prefer to hang out of the back of someone of the same sex. Well I don't fear you irrationally or otherwise, you clown. And where you decide to put your penis is of no interest to me.
And I have found that the only way that you, the minority of homosexuals, can get the attention you crave is for jokers like you to redefine words to make them offensive in order to criminalise people that YOU fear irrationally. Do you see the Joke?
Islam of course takes a different view to me . You would be tossed off a high place or hung from the gibb of a tower crane if you were in an Islamic country. I don't hear you taking on Islam for its barbaric punishment for your homosexual brothers, why is that? No, you would rather complain and protest and irrationally fear in a nice tolerant country in the west where you are protected from such barbarity.
That is the fkn Joke.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Works does not get you into heaven Jesus specifically said that that's why your statements false.
Ok lets see if you are correct.
Witch, Do you do people a good turn only to expect a good turn in return?
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@Fruit_Inspector
No one is forcing you to take part in this forum. I started this thread,
Very true. But you posted THIS TO ME>>>>
No response?
#209
And I responded. You then completely ignored my questions AGAIN and still are ignoring my questions AGAIN..
Now for the fifth time; about those questions that you keep avoiding;
Does Paul make a distinction between a physical and a spiritual resurrection?
Did Jesus walk in to a closed room? If your answer is yes then simply tell us how did he did it?
If you don't want to answer simply stop bothering me , you idiot. Oh, and don't for get to make sure you answers are biblically verifiable and in "context".
Now, off you go.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I am actually more concerned with people who take a statement like "God is love" out of context than I am with angry and bitter individuals like you who take other verses out of context.
"CONTEXT"!!!!!!!! AGAIN. Change the fkn record, ffs!
I am actually more concerned with people who take a statement like....
I am concerned with those that believe that dead rotting and stinking corpses come back to life, those that believe a flesh, blood and bone man can walk on water and cure blind people by spitting on them. By those that believe in a god that wasted perfectly good "miracle" on making sure his wedding guests had plenty of wine to drink.
The fact is that context always matters. That's true whether we're talking about the Bible, or a ridiculous conversation on the DebateArt forums.
You do not have to take part and no one is forcing you. Are you so fkn lonely that you have to take part in "ridiculous conversations" about things you do not know? Simply leave if it is all so ridiculous. You are too thick to argue your own corner anyway.
Now about those questions that you keep avoiding;
Does Paul make a distinction between a physical and a spiritual resurrection?
Did Jesus walk in to a closed room? If your answer is yes then simply tell us how did he did it?
If you don't want to answer simply stop bothering me , you idiot.
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@Fruit_Inspector
You didn't read the post, did you?
YEP! And I don't care for your opinion. To me the video hits the nail on the head. It suites the likes you to scream "CONTEX" & CHERRY PICKING" when it fkn suites you to do so. Your an armature, not to mention a dulcet dunce when it comes to these scripture. I have shown you to be wrong and you haven't even bothered to answer my question have you, you little wannabe academic.
Try these questions on the you have convenient skipped;
Does Paul make a distinction between a physical and a spiritual resurrection?
Did Jesus walk in to a closed room? If your answer is yes then simply tell us how did he did it?
Meantime, here another thing you didn't know while simply quoting one verse without "CONTEXT!!!"
as it is written: “There is no righteous person, not even one;..."
CONTEXT!!!
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.Genesis 6:9
[Zechariah and Elizabeth] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.Luke 1:6
And if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless. 2 Peter 2:7
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4
Let me know if you need any more lessons.
CONTEXT!!!!
Like I said, Paul was a liar and had doctored OT verses to suit and further his own agenda.
CONTEXT!!!!🤣
LEARN YOUR BIBLE BEFORE CLAIMING ANYTHING ABOUT SCRIPTURE YOU CLOWN!!
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@Fruit_Inspector
No response?
"CONTEXT!!!!!, CHERRY PICKING!!!!!"
as it is written: “There is no righteous person, not even one;..."
CONTEXT!!!
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.Genesis 6:9
[Zechariah and Elizabeth] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.Luke 1:6
And if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless. 2 Peter 2:7
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4
Let me know if you need any more lessons.
CONTEXT!!!!
Like I said, Paul was a liar and had doctored OT verses to suit and further his own agenda.
CONTEXT!!!!🤣
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@BrotherDThomas
False prophets are everywhere in this forum, like Etrnlvw, Tradesecret, the departed Fauxlaw, and many others within this Religion Forum,
Fauxlaw is probably as we speak trawling my threads for material for his new book. That would be novel wouldn't it Brother? A book authored by a "High Priest"#36 that shows the New Testament to be nothing more than a myth wrapped around a very human Jew king minus the "miracles" and certainly no Christians in said Jew kings time.
and it is our job to bring them out in shame, praise Jesus!
The bible does that for me all on its own Brother, I am just the medium by which to show that the bible itself shows just how bible ignorant they all are, ESPECIALLY our resident man in three persons the Pastor, Lawyer and Chaplain, the Reverend ethang dimwit "Tradey" Tradesecrete.#20
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@Tradesecret
Repost; addressee not stated
You obviously have a high opinion of yourself.
Well it could never be as low as the one I have you .
I have answered the questions put to me that deserve an answer.
No. What you have done is reply to the OP without answering the OP . And you should know the difference with you ALSO being a fully trained lawyer with criminal clients to defend daily in a court of law.
And this is beside the FACT that you have posed me no questions in the first place. You really are as dim as tim aren't you.
AND even if you had posed me any question relating to the OP, I am, - as you often say - not obliged to respond or answer anything at all.
Now leave the thread "Tradey" Tradesecrete. You have nothing to offer here in any your capacities as Lawyer, Pastor or Chaplain.
This is you isn't it?
Tradesecrete wrote:I am a lawyer. There you goBut in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. #20
Off you go now.
And get well soon .... all three of you🤣.
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@PGA2.0
During the 1st-century over 500 eyewitnesses attested to the resurrection of Jesus Christ.Actually, one man *claimed* there was 500 witnesses.There is no historical account of it being disputed, and it was not just one man that witnessed His resurrection. Peter, John, James, and other NT writers speak of witnessing the resurrected Christ.Matthew -and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many.Mark -Mark 16 records Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of [a]James, and Salome witnessing the empty tomb and are told,"7 But go, tell His disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.’”Luke -just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary the mother of James; also the other women with them reported the empty tomb and spread the news to the Apostles. Later on that very day two disciples meet the resurrected Christ on the road to Emmaus.13 And behold, on that very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, which was [g]sixty stadia from Jerusalem...31 And then their eyes were opened and they recognized Him; and He vanished from [o]their sight.They tell this to others and while doing so Christ once again appears to the group.36 Now while they were telling these things, Jesus Himself suddenly stood in their midst and *said to them, “Peace be to you.”John -John 20 records the resurrected Jesus appearing to the disciples and later to Thomas.19 Now when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were [b]shut where the disciples were together due to fear of the [c]Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and *said to them, “Peace be to you.” 20 And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord...26 [f]Eight days later His disciples were again inside, and Thomas was with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been [g]shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be to you.” 27 Then He *said to Thomas, “Place your finger here, and see My hands; and take your hand and put it into My side; and do not continue in disbelief, but be a believer.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you now believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”Acts -Acts 1:2 until the day when He was taken up to heaven, after He had given orders [b]by the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom He had chosen. 3 To [c]these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of things regarding the kingdom of God. 4 [d]Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for [e]what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; 5 for John baptized [f]with water, but you will be baptized [g]with the Holy Spirit [h]not many days from now.”...Peter -EyewitnessesFor we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.Then you have Paul's Damascus experience and I could probably cite many more recorded Scriptural instances, so you point does not meet the evidence of Scripture presented by many authors.
CONTEXT!!! CHERRY PICKING!!!!!
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@Tradesecret
@Dr.Franklin
Now show us this "clear difference".It seems that you need to be healed of your blindness.
I have asked you to show this "very clear difference" . You have failed and still have not done so.
Even Dr Franklin recognised the differences.
NOPE! He is just following you up a blind ally because he too is stuck for an answer. He's a thick as you are. And this is a perfect example of what Jesus meant by
" the bind leading the blind", in action.
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@BrotherDThomas
(2 Peter 2:1-3)
s/he's just an out-n-out liar, Brother . All three of him/her. Credibility, NIL!
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@PGA2.0
as it is written: “There is no righteous person, not even one;..."
CONTEXT!!!
This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.Genesis 6:9
[Zechariah and Elizabeth] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.Luke 1:6
And if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless. 2 Peter 2:7
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4
Let me know if you need any more lessons.
CONTEXT!!!!
Like I said, Paul was a liar and had doctored OT verses to suit and further his own agenda.
CONTEXT!!!!🤣
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@BrotherDThomas
OMG, once again you do not have an ounce of logic or reasoning! Heads up Bible fool, in the following links below, in your own thread, YOU HAVE LITERALLY STRAYED OFF OF YOUR OWN DEATH TOPIC, and have become what you are against!!!!!!!! H-E-L-L-O? Seriously, it is like you love being made the outright hypocrite within this forum, why? ROFLOL!!!
I did say that he will begin to derail his own thread once on the back foot , Brother. All of his personas do this, once they have painted themselves into a theological and biblical corner. On this thread in particular he started derailing his thread with my first question and its snowballed from there.
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@PGA2.0
Context
CONTEX!!
The video shows that this is the famous default of ALL Christians when caught cold.
Paul admits to being a Liar. In any "CONTEXT"
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You obviously have a high opinion of yourself.
Well it could never be as low as the one I have you .
I have answered the questions put to me that deserve an answer.
No. What you have done is reply to the OP without answering the OP . And you should know the difference with you ALSO being a fully trained lawyer with criminal clients to defend daily in a court of law.
And this is beside the FACT that you have posed me no questions in the first place. You really are as dim as tim aren't you.
AND even if you had posed me any question relating to the OP, I am, - as you often say - not obliged to respond or answer anything at all.
Now leave the thread "Tradey" Tradesecrete. You have nothing to offer here in any your capacities as Lawyer, Pastor or Chaplain.
This is you isn't it?
Tradesecrete wrote:I am a lawyer. There you go
But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. #20
Off you go now.
And get well soon .... all three of you🤣.
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@PGA2.0
Paul was a self confessed liar. He spoke of him lying to further the cause of his beliefs.“If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”Romans 3:7So there it is. Paul claiming to do what ever it takes including telling bare faced lies.What you do is take selected Scripture out of its context or collapse it to make it a pretext.
Watch this 5 minute clip that sums up the ignorant buffoons that make this uneducated ridiculous claim perfectly.
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@BrotherDThomas
I am sure that you will agree relative to Tradesecret, where the equally dumbfounded of the JUDEO-Christian Bible FAUXLAW knew when to quit this forum and has left to save further embarrassment. Therefore, when do you think Tradesecret will follow suit?
Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecret is one in three persons so that is a difficult question to honestly answer, Brother. It would've been better had you asked which one of his three personas will leave first? Dimwit Tim has bee rather quiet of late.
Fauxlaw is probable trawling my threads for material for his new book.
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@Polytheist-Witch
If you're giving something to someone with an expectation of something in return it's not a gift. So no I don't expect if I'm giving to someone or helping someone for them to do something for me in exchange other than to not take advantage of the fact that I help them.
That's' the whole point. Expect nothing in return.
My OP simply points out that to be offering compensation for these things i.e. tickets to heaven, everlasting life and a one on one with god, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating.
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.
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@PGA2.0
Jesus rose from the dead!
You are lacking in evidence though, aren't you? An empty rich man's tomb is only evidence of an empty rich man's tomb. No one witnessed the stone being rolled away and no one actually witnessed Jesus rising from being "dead". And many are only alleged to have witnessed a very much alive and healthy Jesus, wounds and all.
Paul was a self confessed liar. He spoke of him lying to further the cause of his beliefs.
“If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”Romans 3:7
So there it is. Paul claiming to do what ever it takes including telling bare faced lies.
Paul also doctors Old Testament verses to further his own Christian agenda . .... just as many Christians do to this day. A lesson they learned fromlying ' St' Paul no doubt.
Example:
Isaiah 28:16 King James Version
" Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste".
Now see what crafty ole' Paul does with that?
Romans 9:33 PAUL's Version
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling stone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Would you like another?
Deuteronomy 30:14 PAUL's Version
" But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it".
Romans 10:8 PAUL's Version
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;".
Jeremiah 31:32 King James Version
" Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord":
Hebrews 8:9 PAUL's Version
"Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord".
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@Tradesecret
The difference being then? Show us the clear difference. There was no "clear difference" at all if we are to believe what JESUS HIMSELF said, is there?Jesus said "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Luke+24%3A39&version=KJVHence not a single sign of "clear difference" according to Jesus himself.So when you are ready, lets see these "clear differences"?I never said Jesus was resurrected as a spirit. He was not a ghost.
I know you didn't say that. And I haven't accused you of saying that. And you could hardly argue with Jesus and what he says on the matter now could you, you idiot.
He was resurrected in flesh and blood. But his body was obviously different.
How? Where does the scripture show this "clear difference"?
There is no other plausible explanation that fits the facts.
Of course there is, but you simply can't accept the facts. Now show us this "clear difference".
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@Tradesecret
Stephen uses a book - the secret gospel of Mark - as the basis for his speculative interpretation.
OPINION! Prove it.
I get more facts from the scriptures themselves than the fairy-tale that you have wrapped around a very much flesh and bone human being and believe it to be ` gospel truth `. I actually read the damn thing where as you, I have proven, have never read it for yourself.
considering the time and culture it was written in - by considering the audience they were writing to - by considering the differences in cultures between both of these things - and then draw a conclusion.
All words that I have used myself and many times on this forum. You really are into plagiarising now aren't you Reverend "Tradey"
It is credible historians and academics who have are confident - that Jesus lived.
I have never claimed that Jesus didn't live , you utter clown. I do believe that Jesus lived and have said so umpteen times,( I can't prove it of course and neither can you) but I draw the line at literally walking on water and three day old stinking and rotting corpses walking the earth .
Your own beliefs are simply faith based. This is why you struggle with any serious debate or conversation about the bible and the Christ ; of which there were others before him.
And lets us not forget, that YOU, by your own admission simply pass on what it is that you have been told to "pass on" don't you?
HERE>> "I in most parts are merely passing on the teaching of what i have
received. I do not have an agenda. I really don't. #20
You are so stupid that you say to us that you"do not have an agenda" when your "calling" says otherwise, or had you forgotten the Great Commission to go out into the world and preach the gospel?<<<<<<THIS is how thick you really are, Reverend "Tradey". "Calling" my arse, you are no more than a fly by night holy roller, and a very, poor one at that. If you are going to preach the book at least learn it first! As I have done and still do.
Now stay with the thread instead of making me the focus of your own bias' or simply leave.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Rewarded by whom?
By those you have helped and given alms to and been good too?
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,Seriously, how can Tradesecret remain upon this forum in being an outright False Prophet like the membership has shown? Furthermore, Tradesecret remains in 3 different genders as I have shown, because I addressed the moderators in telling them that Tradesecret said their profile page, AND, their link in DEBATE.ORG showing him as a SEXUAL DEVIANT was "hacked." But, as we've seen, there was absolutely NO ANSWER from the moderators upon this topic, therefore, they remained silent for a reason because there was NO HACKING WHATSOEVER to begin with! Therefore, once again Tradesecret LIED! What's new? NOTHING!Another passage that Tradesecret is guilty of herewith: "Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord." (Jeremiah 23:16)
Of course there was no hacking. This is was simply the Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete trying to deny and ditch his vile and disgusting persona i.e. his real side. He has been of the belief that he can fol all of the people all of the time. This is how thick he really is, Brother. No one is taken in by him any longer so much so that his other personas don' seem to want to know him either🤣.
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The bible states it as it is you utter clown and it is nice to see that you have dusted off your Ethang persona and allowed him to return. How long for this time Reverend "Tradey"?I got all excited when you mentioned Ethang had reappeared.
I bet you did. You haven't summoned him for a while. Your dimtim persona has been quiet of late too.
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@Polytheist-Witch
so that point doesn't make any sense to me.
Do you give freely without expecting anything in return, Witch? Or do you give in the hope or expectation that you will be rewarded?
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@Polytheist-Witch
I'm not sure how living a good life and being decent to people being reward in its own right is something that's anti-christian or anti any spirituality.
It isn't anti anything , witch. I am raising a valid point. And the point is doing good and being good to others is better and truer when it comes about freely and willingly when it doesn't have a motive or reward attached to it. The bible makes this clear in many places. Yet here we have Jesus offering rewards of meeting god, a ticket to heaven and everlasting life, for doing so.
You must have missed my point , Witch:
My Op simply points out that to be offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating.
The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.
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@ EtrnlVw,
Nah, your feelings about God really make no difference one way or another
That is simply not true, the first of the commandments is to love god above all else. what fkn bible do you read?
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
then there is:
- I am the Lord thy God: thou shalt not have strange Gods before me.
- Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
- Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.
And you are trying to tell us it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to god either way. they wouldn't be commandments if it meant nothing to god if our feeling mean nothing and he doesn't give two shits anyway.
You are just about as bible ignorant as that other three in one persons the Reverend ethang dimtim "Tradey" Tradesecrete, that has no secrets because he's spilled all of person details to a forum on the www.
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@zedvictor4
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@Tradesecret
@zedvictor4
Though charismatic people and their ideology, have always been able to delude the gullible.
Then they had to be at least "charismatic" Vic lad, today it is degrees that qualify one to preach it appears;
You may have forgotten his challenge to you personally>>
Tradesecret wrote: Are you assuming that my qualifications obtained from a world class reputable university are not real? Wow! that certainly is a huge assertion. Would you care to prove that a post graduate degree from Melbourne University is not a real qualification?Every world class university in the world has the post grad degrees that I hold. You calling it pseudo only reveals your atheistic worldview. You however don't even play in the real world. Do you leave your home - or do you spend all day playing on your computer? DO you have a real job? Do you have trouble making friends?
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@Tradesecret
Well actually the Sermon on the Mount and the Beatitudes in particular is not about how to get rewards at all.
OPINION! And it is about receiving the reward of heaven, in heaven and on earth, you clown. You just don't know your bible.
Matthew 5:12 "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you".
Luke 6:23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.
And on and on and on it goes. In fact reward is mentioned over 70 times in the bible. So away with your cretinous assertions.
It is not a prescription for people do - it is a description of what people already are and already have.
OPINION! And nope. It is about doing and or becoming with the offer of reward if you do or become. You just don't know your bible.
And it fly's in the face of many other things that Jesus is supposed to have also said concerning what is on offer. You just don't know your bible.
And you have missed the point of this thread. The thread concerns freely offering for nothing in return. The sermon on the mount does not do this, it offers reward/s.
So simply leave. You are far too dense to engage in any type of conversation concerning that which you claim to be qualified to lecture others on.#20
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@Tradesecret
Job was a faithful man of God. Absolutely. God did not torture. God did not kill his family. In fact Satan did that.And all sanctioned by the grace of his own god.Keep wriggling Reverend "Tradey". Anyone can read for themselves this sad story of how a good and faithful servant of god named Job was mentally tortured by HIS GOD at the cost of the murder of TEN of his beloved children! And all over nothing more than a wager .HERE>>>.No wriggling necessary. I am just stating it like it is.
The bible states it as it is you utter clown and it is nice to see that you have dusted off your Ethang persona and allowed him to return. How long for this time Reverend "Tradey"?
You won't forget your unfinished business here, will you>>.#45 . Maybe your recently new found persona dimwit tim can help you out of yet another great fkn hole that you have dug for all three of you? or had you forgotten about him😂?
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