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@Tradesecret

Job was a faithful man of God. Absolutely. God did not torture. God did not kill his family. In fact Satan did that.

And all sanctioned by the grace of his own god.

Keep wriggling Reverend "Tradey". Anyone can read for themselves this sad story of how a good and faithful servant of god named Job was mentally tortured by HIS GOD at the cost of the murder of TEN of his beloved children! And all over nothing more than a wager .HERE>>>.

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@ EtrnlVw

@ EtrnlVw, wtote: so the question you are asking is "does God want to be reverenced and a recipient of adoration?"

Nope. The OP's questions are: "Why does God want to be worshipped? & Is it ever talked about in the Bible?

See here>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6565-why-does-god-want-to-be-worshipped

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@Intelligence_06

It is not that God wants to be worshipped.

So offerings and sacrifices are not a form of worship?

And lets not forget the first of the commandments are all about himself

I am the Lord thy God: thou shalt not have strange Gods before me.
Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.

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Reward: Does It Fly In The Face of Jesus' Own Teachings?

The Sermon on the Mount is all about receiving one's reward for keeping all of Jesus' commands, yet doesn't this fly in the face of what else is commanded in the scriptures about doing and giving while expecting nothing in return?

And as I mentioned recently, to be offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating.

The sermon on the mount on the other hand does not teach that we should do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.

Jesus offers these rewards:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are those who mourn,

for they will be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek,

for they will inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful,

for they will be shown mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart,

for they will see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers,

for they will be called children of God.

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

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@BrotherDThomas

Stephen wrote:
Is there a punishment for the sin of "misleading" Jesus' flock,? Brother
Jesus said: "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

JESUS DESPISES FALSE PROPHETS LIKE TRADESECRET: "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction." (2 Peter 2:1)

Not so swift with our Reverend in three persons is he, Brother? He's been selling his wares to universities some years now, not to mention ministering to his countries defence forces.

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Yet then you say - "at the drop of a hat". I disagree. In fact Stephen, it would be nice to see you prove that.

Disagree all you wish.
But the story of Job alone proves the point. And how do you want me to prove it? By "Picking & choosing" those verses that contradict you? Or have you already forgotten this accusation?

I disagree and Job DOES NOT support your false assertion.

Disagree all you like. But god sanctioned the murder of Jobs TEN! children and all over a wager to massage his own fkn ego. And this proves how cheap human life is to this egotistical megalomaniac god of yours.

I disagree

I know you do, this is because you have never read your bible for yourself , and by your own admission, simply "pass on" #20 what you have been told to pass on..... without question or study of your own.. Those universities should take you to court and claim that you practiced and took money from them under false pretences. I know I would.

The rest of your post is nothing more than you attempting to justify the unjustifiable, to excuse the inexcusable and defend the indefensible and I wouldn't expect anything less from a two bit jumped up holy roller such as you.

Anyone can read for themselves this sad story of how a good and faithful servant of god named Job was mentally tortured by HIS GOD at the cost of the murder of TEN of his beloved children! And all over nothing more than a wager .HERE>>>.

You are no good at this Reverend ethang "Tradey" Tradesecret .

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@Dr.Franklin

Again, after Jesus has resurrected, he is in a different state where he can do that

And you can offer proof of that can you, Doc?

Or are you just going along with what the Reverend idiot "Tradey" Tradesecrete? He hasn't proven it yet either.

different state

What state? A very flesh and blood Jesus doesn't agree with you. He says " it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39

So when you are ready Doc...... the floor is yours.

And you keep avoiding this, just as knew you would.

Dr.Franklin wrote:
Imao this is literally what i was talking about- you take a verse with zero context and make a basic objection to it.

"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIV

And this>>

Jesus said "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Luke+24%3A39&version=KJV

So now is all I expect from you Doc is your usual default and for you to go into your complete denial mode even as to what JESUS HIMSELF has to say on the matter.

And before you accuse me AGAIN of taking a verse out of context, I suggest for the second time, that you put Jesus' words into the correct context and show me how Jesus is NOT saying he is NOT spirit and is NOT saying he is flesh and bone.

Off you go then.

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I believe he is in the midst of shedding his old title at the moment Brother, he doesn't seem to know what he is (or who he is) of late.#53
Maybe a few more weeks sick leave will do the trick. I too am waiting for his response to my post above#33 , but I won't be holding my breath.

Meanwhile, the Doc is awol and appears to be avoiding clearing up the matter of those " out of context" allegations he made against me>>#29
Again, you actually don't know anything about me - except what I have revealed to you Brother FAKE Thomas.

And your life history on a forum to the WWW

I respond to posts when I want too

But here you are, wasting time with irrelevant posts.

Start here>>

Tradesecrete wrote:

I suggested that there is clearly a difference between a resurrected body and a non-resurrected one.

The difference being then? Show us the clear difference. There was no "clear difference" at all if we are to believe what JESUS HIMSELF said, is there?

Jesus said "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Luke+24%3A39&version=KJV

Hence not a single sign of "clear difference" according to Jesus himself.

So when you are ready, lets see these "clear differences"?

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@Tradesecret

The Biblical Yahweh is not an All-Loving god

Correct . He is a self confesses" jealous god of war" and destruction that will kill anyone that doesn't do as they are told with him at the drop of an hat. He will even torture and kill those that DO follow all of his commandments too.

Hmmm. As always you pick and choose what you want from the Bible.

You choose for instance:

God is a jealous God. This is true.
God is a God of War. This is also true.

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God does and will destroy his enemies. Again this is true.

You were doing well until you go to this point , no more the Reverend ethang "Tradey" Tradesecret. And you are going over old shite that I have argued with both you and your other personas before. And in those instances you denied, backpedaled and then disappeared. But I'll play, just to see if you give the same lame explanations and excuses now as you did.

Yet then you say - "at the drop of a hat". I disagree. In fact Stephen, it would be nice to see you prove that.

Disagree all you wish.

But the story of Job alone proves the point. And how do you want me to prove it? By "Picking & choosing" those verses that contradict you? Or have you already forgotten this accusation?

Tradesecrete wrote: "As always you pick and choose what you want from the Bible". WTF!

Then there is the genocide of the whole planet saving only a few people. Then there are the cities he completely wiped out along with Sodom and Gomorrah . This is before we start on ooooooooooo lets see ; the genocide ordered in 1 Samuel 15:3;

"Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

And;

Numbers 31

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Notice above there he includes female children among the spoils of his war for his chosen people to take as slaves to rape /ravish.

Psalm 137: 9 Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!

Isaiah 13:16 Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished.

Ezekiel 9:6 Kill old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women, but touch no one on whom is the mark. And begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the house.

Then there is the innocent first born of Egypt. And on and on and on he goes, killing anyone that doesn't agree with him.

YOU have to justify all these wanton murders Reverend, NOT ME! AND THE POINT IS that god in those cases will and does kill anyone that simply isn't one of his own FACT! And in other cases he does kill his own.. life is cheap to your god . Just like the god of Islam. At least Islam gives you the choice to convert .

And "at the drop of an hat" is the only way to describe a vile god that will torture and kill for nothing less than a wager with his arch enemy Satan.

See the Story of Job below.

The Bible however indicates that God is slow to anger and to wrath. Quick to mercy and grace.

Now who is "choosing", Reverend "tradey" Tradescret"?

Exodus 20 :4-5 I am a jealous God punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation. but showing mercy to a 1000 generations of those who love me and obey my commands. "

Punishing for the sin of their fathers, not sins of their own.. You really need to read the shite you have been teaching your students and charging their Universities for before claiming what it is that you believe to be true or untrue.

Where does it say God will torture and kill those who do obey every one of his commandments?

So now you are actually AGAIN asking me to choose verses that contradict your own beliefs and claims? WTF!! SEE ABOVE

And it is - does - torture and kill . We have been here before but again, see the sad story of Job as a good example. Read it, it only takes a few minutes.

Job 1

1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East. [............................................]

18 While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, 19 when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

And here endeth the lesson, ethang "tradey" Tradesecrete.

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Tradesecret is the LAST one to be considered a biblical scholar because at this this point,

I believe he is in the midst of shedding his old title at the moment Brother, he doesn't seem to know what he is (or who he is) of late.#53

Maybe a few more weeks sick leave will do the trick. I too am waiting for his response to my post above#33 , but I won't be holding my breath.

Meanwhile, the Doc is awol and appears to be avoiding clearing up the matter of those " out of context" allegations he made against me>>#29

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Tradesecret spreads his Bible stupidity into the University environment in misleading their flock like he does at this forum as well!!!

Is there a punishment for the sin of "misleading" Jesus' flock,? Brother

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What we need is a.
24 / 7. FREE CALL ( ASK A BIBLICAL SCHOLAR HOTLINE. )

We have one or two claimed biblical scholars here , Deb. And not just your run- of - the - mill dogs body, goffering foot soldier of Christ but a genuine bona fide "high priest" of his church. The other you already know.

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We, and TS, have to ask ourselves, how can Tradesecret even be able to sleep at night in knowing that certain members of this esteemed forum have easily made TS an outright biblical fool!

Well with a workload that he claims to have Brother ( I won't list it here) , he has no time to sleep, does he`?

Stephen, since Tradesecret is an alleged teacher, *COUGH.* I am just following the prophet James in his following statement: "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." (James 3:1)

Indeed Brother, but many attempt to rise above their station. But it is his call at the end of the day and he his "qualified" and "accredited" to take on the more awkward and difficult questions, is he not?

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Here, let Jesus and I "SCHOOL YOU" once again in front of the membership relative to your, at this time, opinionated quotes as follows:

1. "It is because it is an inbuilt design by God to the Jewish people that resurrection is his plan for his people."  Bible citation is where?

2. "In the evening we go to sleep, in other words we die, and then in the morning we rise, we are resurrected." Bible citation is where?

3. "Abraham believed in the resurrection - this is why he trusted God with his Son. Jesus believed in the resurrection this is why he trusted his Father with his Son." Bible citation is where?

4. "Our Sleep patterns are a picture of resurrection. An inbuilt one."   Bible citation is where?

5. "Joseph was thrown into the pit - to die - and he was brought out resurrected. Daniel was thrown into the pit of lions to die - but he was resurrected. The three men were thrown into the fire to die - but they came out resurrected." Bible citations for the above instances is where?

6. "There are many other examples of this picture of resurrection in the OT."  Since there are many, list at least 5 Bible citations supporting your claim

7. "This of course was God putting into the hearts and minds of his people about the reality of the resurrection of which Jesus the Son of God would be the first fruits of. " Bible citation is where?

8. "The Pharisees, believed in the resurrection and the Sadducees did not. And interestingly, this point was one which brought them both together and also caused them division. " Bible citation is where?

9. "The Resurrection of Jesus was effectively prophesied from when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden," Bible citation is where?

And this I take it, Brother is what those Universities pay good money for from the " accredited "Tradey" Tradesecret. These students just have to sit back, listen and suck it up without rebuttal or questioning.

Don't expect anything civil in the way of replies, answers or biblical citation, Brother. You know its not coming.

And do not throw a spanner in his works just yet Brother, although I too am itching to throw up Ecclesiastes right now, I will restrain myself.

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As Jesus would say, there is a sucker born at times in that they will become a MORMON like you! LOL!

I see, that's' how you spell Mormon. I must have been hearing it pronounced wrong , Brother.

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@Tradesecret

Yes, I did provide personal information. But not over many posts. In fact I only ever shared such things once.

What you are too stupid to realise is that you shared freely on a forum of the www much about yourself and over many posts. You shared so much that even my 8 year old grandchild would be able to work out that there are simply not enough hours in the day for you to practice all those things you claim. How you have time to hang around a forum is baffling to even to Bill the un-baffable in a baffling competition , never mind even bothering yourself with some like me that is in total opposition to you and that which you believe in.

And ALL your alleged qualificators in ALL of the fields that you claim to hold have not impressed me Revered "Tradey" Tradesecret.

You are simply no good at this (your specialist subject) so I suggest that you do not post in reply to me any longer. I don't care what you believe about me, it is all irrelevant, to me and my threads <<<< and you should get this through the dense mass that lord has given you.

Now go away........ all three of you🤣.

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He was probably hiding in a cupboard or behind a curtain Stephen. Would make a great comedy sketch, with J jumping out, shouting hallelujah and doing the jazz hands thing.

Could well be something along those lines, Vic, lad. With the usual reaction being " ffs don't ever do that to me again, Lord, you frightened the living shite outa me. I thought you were a ghost".

wait a minute there ,Vic lad:

"But the whole group was startled and frightened, thinking they were seeing a ghost!😮 Luke 24:37

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@Tradesecret

but I suppose it just shows that you have too much time on your hands.

I have plenty of time when it comes to charlatans such as yourself, Reverend "Tradey" , and don't you forget it. I am always here for you.

You won't be getting well anytime soon Reverend Ethan "Tradey" Tradesecret.

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I gave a plausible explanation. I said that the resurrected body enabled him to do this.

How? What was the difference between his live human body flesh and blood and his resurrected body also human flesh and blood. You have no evidence for your, not so "plausible" opinions. Not even from the bible.

I suggested that there is clearly a difference between a resurrected body and a non-resurrected one.

Suggest away. And then prove it?

there is clearly a difference

The difference being then? Show us the clear difference. There was no "clear difference" at all if we are to believe what JESUS HIMSELF said, is there?

Jesus said "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Luke+24%3A39&version=KJV

Hence not a single sign of "clear difference" according to Jesus himself.

So when you are ready, lets see these "clear differences"?

Resurrected bodies are still flesh and body. They are not spirit. And yet, they are more than a non-resurrected one.

But this is just opinion. It is not fact, biblical or otherwise.

What is the alternative plausible idea Stephen?

?!!! Are you saying that your own explanations are "plausible" ? I have said that I don't have an explanation, this doesn't mean that I have to accept your unsubstantiated explanations, even if they were anywhere near "plausible".

That is what you need to produce.

How many times. I posed the question and I don't have to "produce" anything other than to counter with the BIBLCAL FACTS..... which you haven't ever read for yourself!

See post #29 to Dr Franklin

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You know the Bible isn't literal,............
you are playing games.

I don't know that at all, Jane. You see I have found that Christian charlatans choose to preach what is and isn't literal in the scriptures only when it suits them to do so. If anyone is playing games, Jayne, it will the Christian.

What I do believe I know is that the bible has a running theme that still exist into our present age/time that began from the day of the Adam. Of a controversy between a first and second son. Of an exile. Of a movement of a mass of people and that all coincide with a change over of power and the power struggle this involves and that they also coincide with the world wide natural disasters caused by the movements of the heavenly bodies above out heads.. In this, the bible doesn't fail. This is what I believe and this is what I believe the bible is all about. I could expand on this and I believe I have done so on one or two of your own interesting threads. And If I can concede anything to a Christian, it will be that Jesus and the Baptist knew exactly what they were talking about and what was at stake in their time.

yet you expect people to answer your questions as if it were literal.

What I also know, Jane, is to expect some convoluted bullshite when they actaully do attempt to explain the unexplainable. This is what I mean by Christians choosing that which is literal and that which isn't. The Jesus story is quite believable once the "miracles" have been taken away.

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Dr.Franklin wrote:
maybe he was a ghost i dont really know

Stephen wrote:
That's better , Doc. And neither do I. By Ghost, Doc, do you mean a spirit?

Dr.Franklin wrote: sure.

Well you haven`t even read this story then have you Doc? You see THE BIBLE categorically denies this and from Jesus own lips too. You see, I have read the story Doc.

Jesus said "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Luke+24%3A39&version=KJV

So now is all I expect from you Doc is your usual default and for you to go into your complete denial mode even as to what JESUS HIMSELF has to say on the matter.

And before you accuse me AGAIN of taking a verse out of context, I suggest for the second time, that you put Jesus' words into the correct context and show me how Jesus is NOT saying he is NOT spirit and is NOT saying he is flesh and bone.

And you still have to put this verse into context after you accused me of taking it out of context.

"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIV

So when you are ready.

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Mark 12:28-34Hear, O Israel: "The Lord our God, the Lord is one." So says the bible. Not two or three but one.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. Not two or three but one.

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3 days to me seems a little to long. This could in fact be a lie.

I think three hours is " little too long " too, Deb.

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I accept that Jesus, as a terrible misunderstood mortal man could exist bu the essence of Jesus, that is that he is a God conceived of a virgin mother, is simply untrue.

I agree. And this is why I like to question theists on the scriptures. I don't care that they have a faith , it is what they have faith in that draws me, such as these ambiguous half told stories that make up the Jesus story and the myth that has been cloaked around a very human being by other very human beings..

They sure get arsey about it though. They hate that I highlight these contradictory and enigmatic verses in their "god given" book.

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And that is a fair and reasonable point to make there , Bones.

For myself I accept that there could well have been a man named Jesus that believed himself to be king of the Jews and that the Romans put him to death for crimes against the state of Rome, along with another man of similar name, Jesus Barabbas. But I draw the line at, and I simply refuse to, accept the so called "miracles".

So we are almost on the same page.

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How Did Jesus Do It?
He didn't.

Do you mean that it didn't happen at all, Bones?

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One of my surprising examples of Jesus in the book of Thomas is when He disparages women: "Simon Peter said to them: Let Mariham go out from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Look, I will lead her that I may make her male, in order that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman whomakes herself male will enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Thomas 114)

Indeed, Brother. Peter was a known misogynist according to the Gnostic Gospels, Mary was frightened to death of him. Indeed to, the bible also touches on Peters attitude towards women. He mumbled under his breath exactly what he thought of Jesus letting Mary touch him. Jealousy, perhaps?

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So I notice you have not denied hacking my profile.

I am denying it. It is you that posted the disgusting filth .

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maybe he was a ghost i dont really know

That's better , Doc. And neither do I.

By Ghost, Doc, do you mean a spirit?

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Are you going to address this post or are you going to report me again?

See post #7

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Why do you ask silly questions?

Can you explain why this biblical episode is silly and why my question is to you silly, Jayne.

Its simple enough; a once flesh and blood man believed to have been dead came back to life as flesh and blood man and is said to have appeared to his disciples out of nowhere into a locked room.

If you don't know then simply say so, Jayne.

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Dr.Franklin"Jesus is Not God"-where an atheist tries to argue theology, you know its going to be bad
"How did they know"-a claimed contradiction that is easily false, again- another 5th grade athiest objection
"Why did jesus have to die to forgive our sins"-again, theology explains why
"'annonting' of Jesus"- another thread where you claim to make some brilliant revelation contradiction but basic theology 101 disproves your claims

i can go on

So when you are ready, lets have those links, instead of sniping from the sidelines, there's a god Doc.

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Objection"!? It's a fkn question you clown, and one that I cannot answer, Doc. Can YOU!?

So with your opinion aside,Doc, why do you not simply put it into context for me then and explain this sudden appearance.

Some Christians and the bible confirmed that a man of flesh and blood appears in a locked room, how did he pull it off?

when your'e ready....

Because he is Jesus Chirst the Lord and Savior, thats why Stephen

And in what context you do mean? How does it explain the question? Christians here seem to believe Jesus was simply resurrected from the dead as a flesh and blood man, and the bible seems to agree.

Saying Jesus was a saviour etc means nothing ,I know Jesus was sent as a saviour to the Jews but this doesn't explain how Jesus appeared in a room that was locked from the inside.

And you still have to put this verse into context after you accused me of taking it out of context. So when you are ready.

"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIV

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Seven words. Excelled yourself there Doc.

Just put up the links , Doc, or simply don't reply.

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@Tradesecret

@BrotherDThomas

Nor can God make a square a circle. He can't do these things - not because he not powerful - but because they are illogical conundrums that don't make sense. And also - God does not will to do them

You have a lot to say about god and do lot of gabbling for god, don't you, no more the Reverend "Trady" Tradesecrete"?

"In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God".1 Corinthians 2:11

There are many verses pertaining to the likes of you not knowing the mind of god but here you are explaining the mind of god and what he thinks or chooses to do.

Jesus himself said "know one knows " except god. You must be really special no more the Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.

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@Tradesecret

you have shown historically that you like to gather information about people's personal lives

Nope, just your own.

And because I had you down as a liar from day one. And lets not forget eh, that this "PERSONAL" information was freely given BY YOU in many posts to this forum on the WWW!

Get well soon all three of you, no more a Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecret.

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@Tradesecret

How did Jesus walk through walls in his resurrected body?

Indeed how did this man said to have been brought to back life after stinking and rotting in his rich friends tomb simply get into the locked room as spoken of in THE BIBLE? And you obviously do not know how Jesus a flesh and blood man managed to get into a locked room.

Why don't you produce a resurrected body for us to consider the question?

I don't have to produce the dead or live body of the Christ. The question is clear enough to consider. Or are you suggesting that Jesus didn't return from the dead as THE BIBLE claims?

Leave this thread unless you have a plausible idea how this may have happened.

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@Tradesecret

@BrotherDThomas

I wondered awhile ago whether someone had hacked into my profile page since Brother kept mentioning it. Yet now Stephen produces an actual copy of my page just as Brother has been saying. Now I am convinced someone has been playing unfairly with my profile page.

Well I believe it is a link with "an actual" screen shot of A/your profile that was posted above on this thread.#83 I didn't find it.I simply reposted it from above. I was more shocked by this vile and disgusting post made by you here>>>https://www.debate.org/forums/religion/topic/4341728/1/#7446963

And I also believe that your "hacking" claim is you attempting to explain away your other personalities.

But I am sure that moderation here will confirm your imagined "hacking" one way or another. Have you raised the issue of your imagined "hacking" with moderation yet explaining the flaws in the security of this site? No of course you haven't. because its simply more BS.

Will you please get back to the question? Or is that just too difficult for someone of your ability?

Which question would that be? You have ignored all of mine on this thread. Your OP doesn't consist of a question either.

You raised the "hacking" issue , not me, and on your own thread too - no more a Reverend "Tradey" Tradsecrete.

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@TheUnderdog

My priest if I told him this, "Think with your heart".

Me: "Facts don't care about your feelings".

Christians do not care for facts. Even when those facts appear in their own scripture, that is a fact.

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@Dr.Franklin

Imao this is literally what i was talking about- you take a verse with zero context and make a basic objection to it.

"Objection"!? It's a fkn question you clown, and one that I cannot answer, Doc. Can YOU!?

So with your opinion aside,Doc, why do you not simply put it into context for me then and explain this sudden appearance.

Some Christians and the bible confirmed that a man of flesh and blood appears in a locked room, how did he pull it off?

when your'e ready....

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@Dr.Franklin

Dr.FranklinWrote: lets take a look at your threads

Stephen wrote: Put up the links. .

Dr.Franklin wrote: i can go on.

Stephen wrote: Then do, but with links.

Dr.Franklin Wrote; i quoted your threads and described them

Stop lying Doc, you have seen the results of lying on this forum. There are no links there doc. Just titles.LOOK:

#121
Dr.Franklin"Jesus is Not God"-where an atheist tries to argue theology, you know its going to be bad
"How did they know"-a claimed contradiction that is easily false, again- another 5th grade athiest objection
"Why did jesus have to die to forgive our sins"-again, theology explains why
"'annonting' of Jesus"- another thread where you claim to make some brilliant revelation contradiction but basic theology 101 disproves your claims

i can go on

So when you are ready, lets have those links, there's' a god Doc.

Who keeps a list of someones goings on in there lives

I do Doc. Especially when I immediately smell bullshite from a clear as day bullshitter like the Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete. DOC! This is a wo/man that doesn't even know that he is a Reverend you know!?

No. He won't accept the FACT that a Pastor or a Chaplain is addressed as Reverend!. LOOK>>

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Tradesecret
Don't let the facts stand in the way of playing your game. And I am not a reverend.

You just cannot accept him for what he is. That will be that denial again.

Now, lets have those links or simply stop posting from my very large library of over 90 threads that debunk the New Testament and the myth about a man's dead and rotting three-days old stinking corpse coming back to life.

Off you go now.😁

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@FLRW

the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

Indeed FLRW, myths and magic and wizards and lions and tigers and bears OH MY!!

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Jesus , it has been agreed by some Christians that Jesus resurrected as flesh and blood man.

So a recent question I have posed is- how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?

"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIV

How did he do it?

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@David

@Barney

@Speedrace

@BrotherDThomas

David, Speedrace, Ragnar, Tradesecret,

There are many of us that are concerned with what Tradesecret has gone through upon this esteemed forum, and that is Tradesecret said they got hacked in their profile page! Now we are worried if our profile pages and private messages to one another can be hacked as well!

TRADESECRET QUOTES REGARDING THEIR HACKING SITUATION: "I wondered awhile ago whether someone had hacked into my profile page since Brother kept mentioning it. Now I am convinced someone has been playing unfairly with my profile page.” https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6316-the-meaning-of-death?page=4&post_number=96

That is serious. although I have never had too much faith in the PM function. Its common knowledge that moderators on some forums can access and read PM's.

And yes that is a very valid concern, Brother.

Within my revealing link below it spells out everything, and where I asked Tradesecret if she notified any of the moderators to address this problem and in what they said back to them, but Tradesecret has never answered any of the questions shown in this link:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6316-the-meaning-of-death?page=5&post_number=101

Therefore, I am sorry to take your valuable time, but could any or all of the aforementioned moderators address the hacking problem that Tradesecret has had, and can it continue towards other members at this forums expense?

Thanking you in advance.

And I thank you too.

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@Dr.Franklin

lets take a look at your threads

Put up the links. .

i can go on

Then do, but with links.

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