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@Tradesecret
Tradesecrete wrote: "But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications." #20
Are you simply NOW denying that you, a church minister, is not ordained? And are simply claiming now to be nothing more than lay pastor and preacher?
When you are ready, Reverend Ethang.
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@Tradesecret
So did you find the place I said I was ordained?Ok. Lets get this correct, are you now denying that you are not an ordained minister of the faith?Can you find anywhere where I said I was?
You are simply backpedaling here Reverend. You have claimed to be a chaplain that ministers to your countries defence forces.
You have attempted this backpedalling shite before by claiming one one hand that you are a "Pastor" and a "Chaplain" while on the other denying that you are a "Reverend"until I pointed out to you that "Reverend" is YOUR title and you persisted in this bullishit until I proved it to you.
So lets try this one more time, just so I have this right in front of the whole of this forum:
Are you now denying that you are a ordained minister of the faith?
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So did you find the place I said I was ordained?
Ok. Lets get this correct, are you now denying that you are not an ordained minister of the faith?
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@Tradesecret
It puzzles me your NEED to repeat these things.
It puzzles me as to why you keep up the charade. I have said that I will post you bullshite when and where I feel it appropriate.
They are all your own claims , not mine, Reverend"Tradey"
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@BrotherDThomas
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," (Hebrews 10:26)
How very appropriate for someone such as the Reverend. He just does not knew where or when to stop his compulsive lying. His hole is far too deep now. There again he has admitted to being ill of late.
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@Dr.Franklin
hey i really dont care for your wall of text about how tradesecret is a pastor and lectures at college.
I know. This will the denial I speak of you always displaying. Although you know he's a compulsive liar and you cannot simply accept the fact.
your posts are total shit.
Doc, considering that of my threads are in total disagreement with the New Testament story and the flaws I have exposed within it, I wouldn't expect you to like them. That are not there for you to like, they are there for you to debunk.
your threads are just taking a chapter from the Bible and making 5th grade atheist objections to it that can be explained with simple theology.
Opinion, Doc, and you are entitled to it. But they appear to have gotten right up your nose and that is what I expect from anyone that hasn't read the scriptures for themselves. Such as the Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete.
and then you get angry and call people names
I am not angry, Doc, .Quirt the opposite. You struggle to even accept biblical facts and can never respond coherently for you lack of biblical knowledge so simply resort to attempting to defend the indefensible and to sniping from the sidelines. You are an amateur in this field, Doc and your helplessness shows in almost every single one of your post which mainly consist of less than five words for the best.
and keep lists of what they do for a living
That will be - allegedly - "do for a living" , Doc. You may look at this extraordinary and exemplary list of one single man's career, where I see it as complete and utter bullshit created for the sole reason to impress where everything else and all other avenues has failed.
weird behavior
Not me, Doc. That will be the Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecret and his compulsive lying multiple personalities.
Off you go now, before I block you.
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@TheMorningsStar
I still do not understand how the Trinity is a coherent concept
And you won't. And that is because it is an idea dreamt up and fed to the masses to account for the many contradictions that surround the birth, death and so called resurrection of a very human being that Christians believed was a god. And still do . They like to forget that Jesus was a Jew and was "sent only to the lost sheep of ISRAEL," to rescue them from the Roman yoke. Matthew 15:24
The Roman populace wouldn't ever accepted Jesus the Jew to be a god- they had their own god and sons of gods you see - and had been at war with the Jews for what must have seemed like; forever- so they had to make him one.
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I feel kind of special that Stephen has his own little resource full of all my goings on.
They are all of your claimed "goings on", Reverend. Not mine
Along with being a lecturer that teaches the scripture at universities. " No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them". #20.
Along with being a Chaplain to his countries' defences; (Pick a country any country, s/he says s/he's Australian that them a New Zealander) "I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation". #20
Along with telling us; I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. #20
Along with telling us; " I studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91
Along with telling us; " I study the original languages, translate them to English, #25
Along with his criminal lawyering that can take 100's of hours of a lawyers time reading briefs and just as many in the court room defending criminal criminals!
Along with his anti abortion work; "I devote a significant amount of my resources in trying to prevent abortions from happening".#64
The list is long and and so so varied. Tell me Doc, where ever does s/he find the time? <<<< ALL THIS on top of a his family life and running farm!
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I have one personality.
Well you can keep telling yourselves that Reverend, but it is wasted on me. You are cretin that cannot keep up with what your other personas are saying or doing, not to mention which country the are from.
The hole that you have dug is way too deep now and you may as well pull the ground back in..... all over the three of you.
You will never get well soon Reverend three personas.
Good bye😂
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As I indicated at the time, I ought not have written that
Indeed Reverend "tradey". There is a lot you shouldn't have written, isn't there? a word cannot be unspoken, Reverend "Tradey"
the above only demonstrates that I have a long way to go in my sanctification.
Don't make me laugh Reverend bullsitter.
You are an ordained and "accredited" minster of Christ, are you now trying to tell us that not a single one of those "academics, scholars, and priests and fathers of Church" that you claim to have been "tutored under", and not a single one of those that bestowed your "accreditations" on you didn't really see you for what you really are at the time of your ordination?
You are too stupid to be ANY of the things that you have tried to convince the members of this forum that you are. Your'e just simply a bare faced liar.
But since it appears your MO is to dig up dirt and throw it - I expect you will do so again and again.
Dirt? Is that what all of your alleged accreditations and qualifications are, dirt?
I will "dig up" when the need arises and OR I have been given cause to do so, Reverend three persons, as I have been given cause to do so here, #106
just minutes ago.😁
I used to detest these imojis but know I am reconsidering their worth.
Get well soon Reverend three persons. 🤣
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@Tradesecret
Did Jesus understand the Golden Rule to be grounded in the truth that we should love God first and above all else - but to treat other people (positively) in the way we would (positively) want to be treated?
and this is the positivity that Jesus taught is it Reverend ethang?
Treadesecret wrote; Stupid man. Dumb as fuck. Just continue to repeat your ignorance.
Get well soon Reverend, whoever you choose to be today.🤣
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@Dr.Franklin
@BrotherDThomas
1. idk why he was female, the only guess is that it is a mistake.
He should know if or not he has a pair of bollocks. You are in denial again Doc and you are again attempting to defend the indefensible.
what is real bad about this is that you and stephen are nugding tradesecret to reveal personal information about himself.
S/he offered his/her personal information to the forum. S/he wrote it where no one else could have. It was all on his/her own and freely given on forum on the WWW. I personally believe it is a male, but who knows? Any one of his/her personalities could be a she? Or a he?
he has to confirm that he was male and even said he that he was a lawyer along with pastor
You asked for this ,Doc
Along with being a lecturer that teaches the scripture at universities. " No,
I don't charge students, I charge universities when they
request me to lecture to them". #20.
Along with being a Chaplain to his countries' defences; (Pick a country any country, s/he says s/he's Australian that them a New Zealander) "I
am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation". #20
Along with telling us; I
am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I
could not have without proper qualifications. #20
Along with telling us; " I
studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and
fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91
Along with telling us; " I
study the original languages, translate them to English, #25
Along with his criminal lawyering that can take 100's of hours of a lawyers time reading briefs and just as many in the court room defending criminal criminals!
Along with his anti abortion work; "I
devote a significant amount of my resources in trying to prevent
abortions from happening".#64
The list is long and and so so varied. Tell me Doc, where ever does s/he find the time? <<<< ALL THIS on top of a his family life and running farm!
3.what have you seriously contributed to the board?
Speak for yourself, Doc. Is all you ever do and are known for is going into denial of biblical facts and sniping from the sidelines.
tradesecret actually writes coherent posts with good points while you shout.
You asked for this too, Doc.
Tell me, are these words of upstanding man of the cloth with all those credentials highlighted above?
Tradesecrete wrote: Stupid man. Dumb as fuck. Just continue to repeat your ignorance. #161
What about this, Doc?. Do you consider these words to be from the lips of an upright charitable citizen and a man of the church with all those wonderfull attributes that I have highlighted above?? #94
Tradesecret wrote: “Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.” “They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”
WELL!!?
tradesecret actually writes coherent posts
Maybe when he is preaching and philosophising about god in a attempt to use this RELIGION forum as his pulpit. He becomes immediately unwound and unravelled the second he is challenged on the scriptures that he claims to know and teach to others. It is then that he takes on any one of the personalities that he has invented. S/he's a fkn charlatan and you know it!
And you know the wo/man is a compulsive liar.
he confirmed he was male
And "he" has also said he was female too, by his own hand, HERE>>>https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy
You just can't accept him/her for the compulsive liar that he is. Which to my mind makes you as bad, if not worse, than he.
Go away Doc, you are only fit to snipe and deny from the sidelines, with your only created thread in the religion forum coming well over a year ago, here>>https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3990-the-archangels-are-listed-wrong
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@Tradesecret
tradesecret already said he was a male, he confirmed itAnd "he" has also said he was female too,https://ibb.co/NFcsLgyYou just can't accept him for the compulsive liar that he is. Which to my mind makes you as bad, if not worse, than he.It is very interesting, as you say, I have confirmed that I am male.
And you have also confirmed (or lied) that you are female.
What you decide to call yourself or what gender you prefer to be taken for is of no concern of mine. I am just far too disgusted by the revelation, - your own vile and disgusting revelation
HERE>>>> #94
Tradesecret wrote: “Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.” “They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”
This is a typical vile misogynistic and sexist comment that only you in your persona of Ehang5 would you make and has been banned for. Did you forget who you was that day, "Reverend"!?
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
You are finished here Reverend Ethang. You have been fully exposed.
HERE>>>> #94
Tradesecret wrote: “Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.” “They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”
This is a typical vile misogynistic and sexist comment that only you in your persona of Ehang5 would you make and has been banned for. Did you forget who you was that day, "Reverend"!?
You have no credibility left at all now. All of your personas have been revealed and all of them exposed to this forum now and only a complete and utter moronic cretin would accept you on your word as a Pastor or a Chaplin after all these vile revelations.
Now. Off you go back to that shithole that you love to show your true colours on.
You will never get well soon Reverend. I believe that you are seriously ill.
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You are finished here Reverend Ethang. You have been fully exposed.
HERE>>>> #94
Tradesecret wrote: “Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.” “They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”
This is a typical vile misogynistic and sexist comment that only you in your persona of Ehang5 would you make and has been banned for. Did you forget who you was that day, "Reverend"!?
You have no credibility left at all now. All of your personas have been revealed and all of them exposed to this forum now and only a complete and utter moronic cretin would accept you on your word as a Pastor or a Chaplin after all these vile revelations.
Now. Off you go back to that shithole that you love to show your true colours on.
You will never get well soon Reverend. I believe that you are seriously ill.
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@BrotherDThomas
Tradesecret wrote: I am not a sexual deviant. I have never confessed to being a sexual deviant.Tradesecret wrote: “Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.” “They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”
I am still struggling with this revelation Brother. I really am. And him with all of those "accreditations" into the ministry and service of god too? SHOCKING!!!!😮
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
You are out of you depth an in over that massively swollen your head of yours, princess and everyone here knows you for the ` billy liar `that you are, no matter who's hat choose to wear on any given day or who's persona you decide to take on in any given day.
You simply keep forgetting which of your personas has said what and when.
"What you do in the dark will be brought to the light" and what you have attempted to do in the dark has now been brought to the light, Reverend "Tradey", ethang dimwit .
And now the Brother, after painstaking patience and dogged research has shown you in your true light.
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Tradesecret wrote: “Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.” “They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”
This is a typical vile misogynistic and sexist comment that only you in your persona of Ehang5 would you make and has been banned for. Did you forget who you was that day, "Reverend"!?
You have no credibility left at all now. All of your personas have been revealed and all of them exposed to this forum now and only a complete and utter moronic cretin would accept you on your word as a Pastor or a Chaplin after all these vile revelations.
You will never get well soon Reverend. I believe that you are seriously ill.
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@fauxlaw
Tell me, after Jesus' resurrection was he man or spirit?Flesh and blood?
Is that you answer? Or do you not know?
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@Dr.Franklin
tradesecret already said he was a male, he confirmed it
And "he" has also said he was female too,https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy
You just can't accept him for the compulsive liar that he is. Which to my mind makes you as bad, if not worse, than he.
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Jesus as a man was resurrected in flesh.
Your friend fauxlaw appears to agree with you, but are you are sure about that?
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@Tradesecret
So your answer is, NO, you can't prove it.Of course I can prove it - I just can't be bothered.
If you could you would have done so in the first instance and had a proper discussion, so stop lying.
Tell me why would you have not taken up the chance to prove me wrong after all the times that I have shown you to be the bible ignorant clown that you are.
The point is - you are quite content to quote authors you respect
Yes when needs be. but I rarely have to, the bible iself does all my work for me. and that is because I know it better that you , Reverend "Tradeyd.
"But like I have said, YOU have quoted those same authors WITHOUT even checking to see if they answer my question to you, THEY DON'T!
This is how stupid you are.
Those were entirely different subjects and not once do those authors even mention the subject of gods orders to kill children for defiant and rebellious behaviour. So again, this is how backward you are.
Nope. Newcombe doesn't answer my question put to you. Newcombe in this instance is talking out "high crimes against the State of Rome", ie Les Majesty, for which Jesus AND Jesus Barabbas were charged. He is NOT talking about murdering children for being naughty. And thank you once more for highlighting and promoting my threads . I am sure that anyone interested will find it interesting. HERE>>Jerry Newcombe does support what I have said above.
NOPE, stop telling lies. I have read his work intensively and not once does he mention gods punishment of children.
Newcomb's work in this case was all all to do with the question of which Jesus was was crucified, Jesus the messiah or Jesus Barabbas?
You just far to stupid to have even looked at his work before using them as some sort of evidence to support your claim. This is how backward you are.
And I told you in my first reply to you that god makes a clear distinction between adult and a child IN THE BIBLE. You haven't read Newcomb's work and neither have you read your bible. So stop lying ethang.
I referred him because you suggested he knew what he was talking about.
NOPE, I keep telling you, Newcomb's work only ever discusses the possibility that it may have been Jesus Barabbas that went to the cross. I happen to believe that both these Jesus` went to the cross. But I can't prove that claim.
I am not going to link what he said
Why not? You say Newcombe proves you correct. So lets see it and in detail, you plagiarising clown.
I never said the writing you quote is the one that proves my point. I drew only the point that he agrees with me.
But you have " said ". That is why you offered them up in defence of your argument..... without even reading his work for yourself. This is how fkn stupid you are.
And you STILL haven't found and answer to my question .I'm not looking for an answer to your question.
Then you may as well leave the thread. I asked you a question and is all you have done is trawled and plagiarise research that I have done in the belief that somehow by simply quoting authors names that I HAVE actually researched will prove you to be right. THEY DON'T, this is how stupid you are.
Why do I need to produce anything for you?Simply because you have claimed something.Well actually you have claimed something.
Nope, this spat is all to do with your own claim HERE>>>
Tradesecrete wrote: "Well the passage you might be referring to is NOT talking about a minor child. Rather it is referring to an ADULT child. ". And you didn't even quote the passage that you believed that I "might be referring to"!!!! That is how stupid you are.
Reverend "Tradey", you are no good at what you are supposed to be good at. You should have taken a little longer before returning from your sick leave.😂
I have asked you to prove It. You haven't. You just made up a lie in an attempt to defend the indefensible. You lied, you plagiarised and you failed.
I don't have to you clown. We are talking biblical law & punishment. The bible says this is the LAW in Leviticus from the BIBLE,The law did not apply to minors.
Children.
Stephen wrote: Well what you think is irrelevant. YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT! And you have just admittedly agreed with what it is the OT says in relation to these vile punishments for simple "cursing" a parent. We have been hear before, Reverend "Tradey".If what I say was irrelevant, why did you bother responding?NOPE" I said - what you THINK is irrelevant, Reverend "Tradey". I want to see you answer my question where the bible shows that you are correct. You have said"Well the passage you might be referring to is NOT talking about a minor child. Rather it is referring to an ADULT child. ".Of course you ask this question -
I do so knowing full well that the likes OF dimwits such as YOU cannot ever possibly answer. I do my own research you see, ethang. And you plagiarising my own work in the belief that it will somehow proves your own claims and without checking first, has to be the most dumb and dimwitist thing anyone can ever do.
So when you are ready lets see your proof or simply leave this thread forthwith!
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey" 😂
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen, just look at the Jesus inspired passages that I included in my post #94, in that Tradesecret is blatantly going against with their sickening sexual perversions, and therefore, how can Tradesecret even call themselves a Christian?Jesus says ENOUGH of TRADESECRET for LYING about their SEXUAL DEVIANCY who is therefore guilty of 4 of His abominations herewith: There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers (Proverbs 6:16-19)
I did look and I seen , Brother , and I am stuck for words to be honest. So please excuse my short response.
It appears then that your prophecy at post #93 will , if it hasn't already, come to fruition.
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@BrotherDThomas
Tradesecret wrote: I am not a sexual deviant. I have never confessed to being a sexual deviant.
Tradesecret wrote: “Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.” “They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”
WOW! Absolutely astounding!!!!! Now that is yet another revelations offered freely to an open forum of the WWW, isn't it , Brother. So the Reverend "Tradey" thinks he's Indian simply because he "lived there for a while". !!!!
I didn't and wouldn't have ever expected that! Brother. Ever. When he decides to dig a hole its always a bigun, isn't it. I think its now time for him to pull the ground over himself, to be honest.
`Shocked `, is an understatement. He really has achieved his aspirations to " be just like" his mentor the misogynist and sex pest ethang5 with that post. Brother. He will never top that comment, and him a Pastor and a Chaplin too!.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I have many Christian friends and they seem to believe that I always make and raise good biblical talking points.For some reason, I have a hard time believing this one!
Irrelevant. Now stop replying, You are wasting both our times on someone else's thread.
You have totally ignored my questions that are relevant to your own comments and instead, chose the ad hominem route.
YOU FAILED!!!
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Fruit_Inspector, wrote: The difference is that God has promised to save those who will turn away from their sin and trust in the Lord Jesus for salvation.#2
But didn't Jesus die as blood "ransom" for our sins? If not, what was the point of going to the extremes of god impregnating an unwilling maiden ? And promising her that her son would inherit the throne and kingdom of David when he didn't even get to sniff the seat? And what was the point of sending Jesus to suffer a wild and vicious bloody scourging ending in the torturous execution by Crucifixion?
Do not bother answering. You simply don't have any. Leave it to the big boys, to make themselves look totally stupid.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I don't need to re-read it , I just simply do not believe it.I know you don't. That's the problem.
Well that is only your own opinion that you believe it is a problem to me. I don't find it a problem whatsoever.
attacking Christianity.
Not really. I read the scriptures with a critical eye and then ask the likes of you questions.
There is no reason to answer your questions because you don't care what the answers are.
You will never know though will you how or if I care? Until you dare answer my questions.
You will just keep hating God, no matter what I say.
Again, you have no way ever of knowing that unless I say so, and not you.
And I suspect you also harbor some resentment for Christians, including myself.
NOPE!!! I have many Christian friends and they seem to believe that I always make and raise good biblical talking points. And I only ever recall "hating" one single individual in the whole of my life. And it is not YOU. You are just words on a screen to me, my friend.
That's no way to live your life.
You leave that to me how I live my life and concern your self with yours .
So you do not want to take on those simple questions then. You are just like my Christian friends, they fall at the first fence too but I have great discussions with them and they don't start crying just because they cannot answer my questions, either.
Go on, have go;
Didn't Jesus die as blood "ransom" for our sins? If not, what was the point of going to the extremes of god impregnating an unwilling maiden ? And promising her that her son would inherit the throne and kingdom of David when he didn't even get to sniff the seat? And what was the point of sending Jesus to suffer a wild and vicious bloody scourging ending in the torturous execution by Crucifixion?
Either answer the questions or simply do not respond at all. Your ad hominem simply ruins another's thread .
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@fauxlaw
Since when is thought, alone, a denial of rights? Anyone's thoughts can do no harm if they remain thoughts. Actions may have rights-limiting consequences, but thought, alone? That's an overreach. That's thought police, and entirely SJW tactic. Reel it in, yeah? As in "get off your [own] high horse."
And you should climb down from your own "high and mighty" self-righteous horse yourself "High Priest".
You certainly do not understand or haven't read your bible that you preach from to others, then do you High Priest"? How quickly you put aside your bible when it suites you to do so.
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant,
his ox or donkey,
or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Exodus 2017
This is thought crime at its roots.
You lot simply cannot help your self righteous, holier than thou, selves', can you.
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@Fruit_Inspector
But perhaps you should read this section again:
I don't need to re-read it , I just simply do not believe it.
I meant exactly what I said.
Yes I understand that, I just wanted you to read what you have wrote; so there can be no misunderstanding.
And you missed these few questions; was there a reason for that?
Didn't Jesus die as blood "ransom" for our sins? If not, what was the point of going to the extremes of god impregnating an unwilling maiden ? And promising her that her son would inherit the throne and kingdom of David when he didn't even get to sniff the seat? And what was the point of sending Jesus to suffer a wild and vicious bloody scourging ending in the torturous execution by Crucifixion?
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@Fruit_Inspector
Your quote;
But let me be clear. Every Christian is just as deserving of hell as every non-Christian. The difference is that God has promised to save those who will turn away from their sin and trust in the Lord Jesus for salvation.
You really need to read that before someone comes along and debunks it.
And didn't Jesus die as blood "ransom" for our sins? If not, what was the point of going to the extremes of god impregnating an unwilling maiden ? And promising her that her son would inherit the throne and kingdom of David when he didn't even get to sniff the seat? And what was the point of sending Jesus to suffer a wild and vicious bloody scourging ending in the torturous execution by Crucifixion?
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Well the passage you might be referring to is NOT talking about a minor child. Rather it is referring to an ADULT child.And you can prove that can you?I don't need to. Many respected commentators have already done so.
So your answer is, NO, you can't prove it.
"So educated scholars such as Ahmed Osam , Dr David Rohl, Sir Laurence Gardner - to name a few - are all delusional in your opinion and have simply wasted absolute years - some a lifetime - inventing evidence to support the existence of the Old Testament characters, places and events? The last two being atheist. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1985/post-links/85254
Ok I'll play. Yes that is my comment.
But before posting my own comments for which you have trawled my so, so large back catalogue for an answer to my question to you, isn't wise, unless you understand the subject matter and what I am referring to. In the case of the comment that you have plagiarised from my thread titled;
" The Moses Story is a Puzzling Affair From Start to Finnish." ( AND which I encourage all readers interested to read it HERE>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1985-the-moses-story-is-a-puzzling-affair-from-start-to-finnish?page=1&post_number=17 ), you need to also highlight and post what it is these commendable authors and scholars are talking about, in relation to the question that I have posed you..don't you? So when you are ready.
And here is one who agrees with my interpretation - I am sure you remember his -"Jerry Newcombe For God and Country website..<<<< this is a guy who understands his scriptures."https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/24750 . And if you can use Jerry so can I? Jerry has proved this.
Nope. Newcombe doesn't answer my question put to you. Newcombe in this instance is talking out "high crimes against the State of Rome", ie Les Majesty, for which Jesus AND Jesus Barabbas were charged. He is NOT talking about murdering children for being naughty. And thank you once more for highlighting and promoting my threads . I am sure that anyone interested will find it interesting. HERE>>
Barabbas. More Lies! https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539-barabbas-more-lies?page=1
And there is nothing Newcombe says in that thread that you have trawled will answer the question that I have put to you to you. So again, you are showing your incapability to do the simplest of research on a little 4 page thread of mine that takes only minutes to read.
And you haven't even bothered to highlight where it is that you believe Newcombe answers the question that I have put to you, have you.
So again, when you are ready.
And again I am sure you remember your words. Academics and commentators are authoritative.
I agree. And Yes, I do remember. That will be because I understand and appreciate the years and years and of hard work that they have put into their YEARS,and YEARS of research. You on the other hand have only been "passing on" on what you have been told without researching a single word that you have been fed. You say so here>>" I in most parts are merely passing on the teaching of what i have
received". #20
And you STILL haven't found and answer to my question .
True they can be wrong. But you would not dismiss them would you?
That depends on many things. But your problem here is that YOU say the bible is "NOT talking about a minor child". #256 I am asking you to show this from the the bible. Its a simple request that YOU as a fully ordained and "accredited Pastor" should be able to put your finger on at will. But you have not only chosen instead to plagiarise and pillage my threads, but are also quoting from my recommended and researched authors that you somehow believe answer my question.. I will be blunt, you are far too stupid to understand that those threads have nothing whatsoever to do with my question to you?
But please , please keep posting links to my threads and maybe a few here will get a better understanding of what is REALLY going on in the scriptures and the New Testament in particular.
"That's debatable, and depends on what you recognise as "authority". I know I am better read in these scriptures than you are or ever will be.. And many things that I believe are backed up by academicis, scholars and extremely well educated authors. Unlike you, who relies on ever changing interpretations of words and whole verses in the scriptures where lies and deceit have become the norm in trying to explain away these unreliable, ambiguous, half stories" https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/42668
That's a good one. This is a link to a thread that RationalMadman, created over 2 years ago when he had me blocked and I stand by what I have written. And this still doesn't answer my question put to you, does it Reverend "Tradey".
And the only reason to kill such an ADULT child - if killing is a real physical death - and not a covenantal death - is if the crime committed was a heinous one.Lets see your biblical evidence for your biblical assumptions , Reverend "Tradey". And let me remind you of YOUR scripture again Reverend. The bible - where these punishments of death are concerned - clearly make the distinction between a "unruly CHILD" and an adult " stubborn and rebellious son".. You just don't know your scripture well enough. As I have proven over and over again.Why do I need to produce anything for you?
Simply because you have claimed something.
And in the case you might referring to it is just such an offence.I made a mention of any offence so simply stop trying to build an argument around something that I have not said... yet.Ok. why can't I build an argument? Don't you like that?
I has nothing to do with likening or disliking , STUPID!! You are attempting to create your argument around something that I have not said. I have simply asked you to provide evidence for something that YOU have said. FFS!
I don't particularly care if you don't see it as such - yet the OT does and so does God. I don't have to justify it.Yes I agree the OT clearly shows that the CHILD should be killed. And you do have to justify your gods punishments in the name of "love". But you can't.The bible says this:Leviticus 20:9" ‘For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him".So give us an example of where you say this law as you interpret it has ever been put into play?
I don't have to you clown. We are talking biblical law & punishment. The bible says this is the LAW in Leviticus from the BIBLE,
Tradesecret wrote: I think cursing someone is the same as threatening to kill someone or hurt someone.Stephen wrote: Well what you think is irrelevant. YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT! And you have just admittedly agreed with what it is the OT says in relation to these vile punishments for simple "cursing" a parent. We have been hear before, Reverend "Tradey".If what I say was irrelevant, why did you bother responding?
NOPE" I said - what you THINK is irrelevant, Reverend "Tradey". I want to see you answer my question where the bible shows that you are correct. You have said
"Well the passage you might be referring to is NOT talking about a minor child. Rather it is referring to an ADULT child. ".
And I have asked you to Prove it.
Thanks for your concern for my health.I know you are being sincere.
Well of course I am sincere, Reverend "Tradey". 😁
Get well soon. And thank you once more for posting those links to my threads.
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@Tradesecret
You missed the question Reverend "Tradey".In what form did Jesus resurrect was it in spirit or flesh?Flesh.#76
As a man then?
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@Dr.Franklin
John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”
And I will see you John 14:28
John 14:28 “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I"
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@BrotherDThomas
MEMBERSHIP, LETS SEE WHAT DIRECTION THE BIBLE STUPID TRADESECRET TAKES!I vote he/she/unknown will RUN as usual! Unfortunately, either way, TRADESECRET is definitely Fu*k*d! :(.....
S/he will do as you have predicted, Brother.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Whats a Lord, Big fella ?
Educated elite of the time, Deb. Usually made up of a bunch of educated Pastors and Priests and local dignitaries that looked down on the ` little man` and that would treat them as insignificant shite and charge extortionate exchange rates at the temple and were good at robbing the "poor" blind with a promise of a ticket to heaven and everlasting life.
Nothings changed much Deb.
Here in England we have a whole house full of the jumped up clowns that pass our laws etc etc. But not so many are educated. They also were funny costumes and fancy chains and other expensive regalia to jangle in front of the faces of the poor and needy and desperate and disenfranchised.
Just the type of person "the lord" Jesus tells us not to get too impressed by and to be aware of, as they were considered by him to be "wolves in sheep's clothing" .
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
“Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets".Luke 20:46
Have a look Deb. Are you impressed?
Good point about them wafers, Deb
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@Tradesecret
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You missed the question Reverend "Tradey".
In what form did Jesus resurrect was it in spirit or flesh?
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@Bones
If it does, Bones , then I will take that as me being correct and him being the bible ignorant High Priest that he claims to be. Either god wanted us to acquire knowledge or he didn't? The bible say he didn't. And God appears to have got quite upset that we listened to another side of the story .Exactly. From my experience, saying "oh too long I didn't read it" is a textbook concession. Nothing out of the ordinary from our good friend.
"oh too long I didn't read it".
Maybe these are the real reasons behind their own bible ignorance. And in this instance, from an alleged "high priest"? #36
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@BrotherDThomas
@Bones
Thanks again for reminding me of my credentials.
And you are welcome anytime Reverend "Tradey". That is to say, whenever your memory is failing you, you can always guarantee that I will be there for you, sincerely, I will.
It is good for you to remind yourself as well.
It is. Its just a shame that you cannot do the same when tutoring your University students about all things religion , isn't it? They must be the thickest students in all of the field of theology. As with your criminal clients. They must rue the day from their prison cells that you were hired to defend them.
This is why you continue to destroy your own credibility.
I don't think so, Reverend "Tradey". I am of the belief that it all serves me well to be able to reference and recall not just comments from yourself, but from scripture too. Which is something that we all know that you will never be able to do no matter how many "qualifications" you claim to hold.
This is why I do at times question your own ability to recall scripture when needed. Such as in the example Lot, a key character in the bible story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and other cities. I mean, how on gods good earth could you not remember Lot was a "righteous man in the eyes of the Lord"!? And you taking money from universities to lecture their students on!? Do they not know how bible ignorant you really are?#8
But you can't even see this.
Oh I can. If I couldn't see it, I wouldn't be able to perform or function on this Religion forum, I believe I came here equipped with the right tools for the job, and you didn't.. You see Reverend " Tradey" I do not use this forum as a pulpit as you do. I use this forum for its real purpose, you just do not know the difference.
Still, it must bug you.
NOPE! Nothing much bugs me about this forum, especially you and your other personas.
Which school did you fail at or get rejected from?
NONE! So don't you be so rude.
And let me remind you. This is someone else's thread that you are now creating an unnecessary argument on. I advise the OP to flag you if you carry on derailing his brilliant topic.
A brilliant topic that you have shown no interest in taking part in whatsoever and admitted that you haven't a single bit interest in what he has posted, ON HIS OWN THREAD!
#9 Tradesecret wrote: I don't need to read the verses - I have read them before. Many times. I am not embarrassed by them. I embrace each one of them.
The OP doesn't appear to want to know how much you "embrace them" Reverend "Tradey". No, the OP would like you, in your capacity as a Pastor and Chaplin and tutor to explain them to him. And so would I.😊
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@Tradesecret
Jesus the Man is SEPARATE from Jesus who is God. Wow! Has it really taken you this long to figure this out?
My, it sounds just like that good ol' boy ethang is back!!!. From which grave yard did you dig him up from?
Anyway.
YES! Jesus is not god and he was just a man that the likes of you have wrapped in a myth for over 2,000+ years, as one of your other personas clearly understands.
Well done Reverend " Tradey",!!!! you are finally seeing the light!!!!
Now. the only obstacle that you have to get over is to simply answer this question;
In what form did Jesus resurrect spirit or flesh?
Oh, and get well soon, Reverend "Tradey"?
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@Tradesecret
Well the passage you might be referring to is NOT talking about a minor child. Rather it is referring to an ADULT child.
And you can prove that can you?
And the only reason to kill such an ADULT child - if killing is a real physical death - and not a covenantal death - is if the crime committed was a heinous one.
Lets see your biblical evidence for your biblical assumptions , Reverend "Tradey". And let me remind you of YOUR scripture again Reverend. The bible - where these punishments of death are concerned - clearly make the distinction between a "unruly CHILD" and an adult " stubborn and rebellious son".. You just don't know your scripture well enough. As I have proven over and over again.
And in the case you might referring to it is just such an offence.
I made a mention of any offence so simply stop trying to build an argument around something that I have not said... yet.
I don't particularly care if you don't see it as such - yet the OT does and so does God. I don't have to justify it.
Yes I agree the OT clearly shows that the CHILD should be killed. And you do have to justify your gods punishments in the name of "love". But you can't.
The bible says this:
Leviticus 20:9" ‘For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him".
I think cursing someone is the same as threatening to kill someone or hurt someone.
Well what you think is irrelevant. YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT! And you have just admittedly agreed with what it is the OT says in relation to these vile punishments for simple "cursing" a parent. We have been hear before, Reverend "Tradey".
We have been here before Reverend "Tradey". And on that occasion - in typical lawyer fashion -, you attempted to make the punishment fit the offence. And you failed there too.
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey"
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God does not suggest that beating must equate to abuse.
So in gods eyes a beating of say; a slave, does not equate with abuse?
And what does god equate the killing of an unruly child with?
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FAUXLAW QUOTE: "TL/DR/TB"Oh look, FAUXLAW is trying in vain to be supposedly smart when proffering an acronym that isn't understood! Wow, how cool is that? This only shows once again that FAUXLAW will go out of his way to take the limelight off of him is losing so badly to "Bones" in their recent debate, where FAUXLAW lost so terribly, that it may be a DEBATEART record! LOL!
I think , Brother, that fauxlaw an " ordained High Priest"#36 maybe quoting from one or two of those ancient languages that he claims to be qualified in?
His own forum profile he claims that he is" Fluent in English, French, Italian, and Egyptian hieroglyphs".https://www.debateart.com/profiles/fauxlaw
Odd then isn't it that in this very detailed profile he forget to mention that he is also a student in ancient Greek isn't it, Brother? #28
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And with that comment you are saying that there are or can be more than one god at any one time..What as trial you are.
Whats' up, High Priest?#36 Is your burden getting heavy?
Your problem is the same as all the bible bashers here. You came here prepared and equipped with only sermons interpreted with what only you want the scriptures to say and expecting to use this forum as a pulpit. You all do it.
What you are not prepared for is an atheist that has actually read and studied these ancient scriptures for themselves and can see another side to the story and that comes with uncomfortable BIBLICAL facts and awkward question after scrutinising THE BIBLE for himself.. This is why when you are all on the backfoot, you pour out your credentials in a passive aggressive fashion in the belief that this somehow , in your own mind only , makes you more qualified than the likes of me and that I will cower and bend to your imagined ` higher authority ` . Well don't hold you breath!
Tell me "High Priest" in what form did Jesus resurrected as, spirit or flesh?
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@Bones
Does it mean to long didn't read too bad?
If it does, Bones , then I will take that as me being correct and him being the bible ignorant High Priest that he claims to be. Either god wanted us to acquire knowledge or he didn't? The bible say he didn't. And he appears to have god quite upset that we listened to another side of the story .
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@fauxlaw
it seems obvious that a son of a god can also be a god
NOPE! You need to read who it is that Psalm 82:6 & John 10:34 is directed towards and then who it is that Jesus is actually speaking to consecutively, THEN it is obvious.
And with that comment you are saying that there are or can be more than one god at any one time..
And if that is the case, THE BIBLE does support you in this.
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And that just demonstrates that a "day" as Hebrew reckons it is not necessarily limited to 24 hours, doesn't it?
NO. What it demonstrates is that you were talking absolute bullshite when you said ;
Fauxlaw wrote: Acquiring knowledge by our own sweat of the brow is part of that dominion over the Earth stuff we were given according to Genesis.#9
God didn't want man to have knowledge, and it wasn't his plan that we grow in or acquire knowledge either as you are trying to say.. and that is a BIBLICAL fact.
" do NOT eat from the tree of knowledge" is what THE BIBLE clearly says. God even tell us the reason man was created, and it wasn't to be his brain children, of that you can be assured.How do I know? Because THE BIBLE says so.
Adam and Eve did, ultimately die, didn't they?
NO. And I don't appreciate you attempting to misuse the word "eventually" in this case. You must take everyone on this forum to be mugs, High Priest. This is just YOU again, attempting to inject your own interpretation and opinion into the scripture and present it as fact.
What god said was : "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Adam lived 930 years and didn't die on the day he ate. And you can attempt to pull all the shite you like but the serpent lord was correct and they didn't die
"on that day" or in that day.
Eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil [that is the entire name, yeah?] introduced mortality.
I see. And is morality that bad that we were sentenced to death and Satan to crawl on his belly eating dirt" for the reset of his days? Is this the reason for god expelling man from paradise, because he learned the knowledge of morals? Is this also the reason that god sent a blood sacrifice because we had gained morals from the tree of knowledge millennia before hand. Don't make me laugh High Priest, your god could have nipped this in the bud back in the garden had he not realised his flaw at the time and before becoming to regret that he had ever made us " IN HIS IMMAGE"!!! he's a god after-all, isn't he?
Before that, Adam and Eve were immortal beings in the Garden,
There is no actual biblical evidence of this and you have no way of proving it.
and could have lived in that state forever, the downside being, they would never have children.
You have something there, but I won't go into that here. But this also creates yet another problem, if this be the case. And I will wait for you again to work that one out entirely on your own.
The point here is that you have claimed above that god intended us to "acquire knowledge as part of having dominion over the earth". :
fauxlaw wrote: " Acquiring knowledge by our own sweat of the brow is part of that dominion over the Earth stuff we were given according to Genesis".
THE BIBLE categorically denies this. And you know this full well.
You fkd up and are now simply trying to justify your fk up.
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@fauxlaw
fauxlaw wrote: Acquiring knowledge by our own sweat of the brow is part of that dominion over the Earth stuff we were given according to Genesis.Stephen wrote; I think you are referring to Genesis 1:26" let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth".It doesn't actually say batteries included so to speak, but I will assume this is what you mean? Correct me if I am wrong.That said, it is a good point of yours and a well chosen word; "knowledge" as in from the tree of knowledge.But then that throws up another problem for you doesn't it. I will wait a while to give you the chance to spot it for yourself.
Can you see yet what you did there High Priest?
here is a clue..
"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”Genesis 2:17
You lot just cannot help yourselves, can you?
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John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”I love this verse. Another verse that speaks of Jesus, the man.
So you should. Jesus here is speaking as being clearly separate from god and "your god", Reverend.
Acts 2:22 Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.Absolutely. Even the verse says it - Jesus was a man.
Yes, an accreditation by god into the service of god . In the same fashion that you tell that you were accredited into the service of god, Reverend, "Tradey". I belive that it is referred to today as being "called" by god or simply "a calling" . You tell us the received "proper accreditation"#20
Acts 2:3 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”Totally - Jesus - the man was made the messiah and Lord.
Yes another reference to Jesus being a man, and not a god himself. A messiah is not a god but is only the servant of god , titled the son of god.. Jesus understood what that service entailed as did all other messiahs of the "age". And just like many of those before him, he failed in his calling, if the bible is to be believed. He failed to inherit the throne of David as his mother was promised by god he would. He failed to unite the Jewish tribes as was his mission, and he failed to rebuild the temple as he predicted he would.. because he was just a man and crucified as a man.
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.Again, Jesus the servant - glorified by God, the Trinity.
Nope! There is nothing in the verse to indicate a "trinity" as much as you would like there to be. It clearly states that Jesus the man was nothing more that a "servant of god" . A man called into the service of god. A man cannot be god and servant. Read your bible Reverend "Tradey"
1 Corinthians 8:6 " yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Totally agree. One God. One Christ.
Correct! One god and one anointed(Christos) into his service.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,Again you make my point - ONE GOD. One mediator. Jesus the Man,
I think my thread is making the point. I don't need you to make my points on my own thread Reverend. But yes. ONE god, and one mediator , a king anointed into the " service of" god , as I have been saying all along and as all these verses prove, Jesus was nothing more than a man chosen by god as all kings (and queens) are to do his bidding. so again, you agree that the man Jesus and god are completely separate.
lets see how they reinterpret these verses to suite their agenda.All the above show that Jesus THE MAN is not a god and totally separate from god. They show Jesus simply to be "the servant of god" .and to crown it all from the lips of the messiah Jesus himself;The Christian doctrine of Jesus has always been - Truly God - Truly Man.
I don't care what the Christian doctrine is , Reverend, I am telling you what the CHRISTIAN BIBLE "has always been"saying.
None of the above reveal any different to this doctrine.
But they do, show and prove an entirely different doctrine. they clearly show in THE BIBLE that Jesus the messiah "a man accredited by God" into his service. I have said that one cannot be a god and a servant of god. Read your bible, Reverend.
Your interpretation - despite your lies that you never interpret is incorrect.
These are not my interpretations at all Reverend . The verses are from scripture and they read very clearly that Jesus is a man, a messiah anointed by god into the "service of god". And if anything Reverend, either you are lying about the clear meaning of these verses, or THE BIBLE is. which is it?
Your interpretation here for the record is this "all the above show that Jesus THE MAN is not a god and totally separate from god. They show Jesus simply to be "the servant of god" .
let me tidy that up for you:
Your interpretation here for the record is this "all the above show that Jesus _ A_ MAN, is not a god and totally separate from god. They show Jesus simply to be "the servant of god" .
It is not my interpretation at all Reverend "Tradey", it is only what THE BIBLE clearly states.
(A) Thank you for highlighting the traditional Christian doctrine that Jesus is fully man.
Now you are being devious. And you are now denying your pervious statements above. You have said above that the "trinity" is the Christian doctrine
Tradesecret wrote: "Again, Jesus the servant - glorified by God, the Trinity."#52 But now you are saying the "christian doctrine is that "Jesus is fully man", see (A) above. Make your mind up Reverend.
What is he Reverend? fully man or a man with three personalities( like yourself).
And again, you have also said above; Trade secret wrote: "The Christian doctrine of Jesus has always been - Truly God - Truly Man".
So here again, you are saying that Jesus is "truly god, but those verse say different, don't they. You even thanked for highlighting the fact. See (A) above.
None of the above reveal any different to this doctrine.
They clearly show that Jesus is a man (as you have agreed many times now) not a god and you have agreed on that, and thanked me for it. See (A) above.
Luke 18:19. WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? JESUS ANSWERED. NO ONE IS GOOD- EXCEPT GOD ALONE"Well interestingly, many commentators actually use this as an affirmation that Jesus is calling himself God.
I don't care what "many commentators use it as " and they , like you, are stupid and they and you can use it for what the fk you and they like, it will still mean only what THE BIBLE says it means.
After all, he does not deny that he is good.
Well he does you clown! He says "NO ONE IS GOOD" and that ONLY GOD ALONE IS GOOD!
Jesus here , from his own mouth again clearly separates himself from god.
Only that God alone is good.
Correct !! Thereby separating himself from god because god ONLY (singular) is good.
If he had said - I am not good - only God is good. Then perhaps you might have an argument.
But he didn't did he.
He said it as he CLEARLY intended to be taken, by saying "NO ONE" singular.
This is simply you attempting to inject into scripture something that clearly isn't there or intended to be there. You are clutching a straws, Reverend "Tradey".
So to summarise. Jesus and the bible clearly show that Jesus is a man anointed into the service of god as kings of Israel were in those ancient time.
And lest we forget a just to throw the cat among the pigeons;
WE HAVE:
Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.’ ?
AND;
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’ ?
You are just no good at this Pastor.
Get well soon Revered. 😊
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And you are welcome anytime Reverend "Tradey". That is to say, whenever your memory is failing you, you can always guarantee that I will be there for you, sincerely, I will.
It is good for you to remind yourself as well.
It is. Its just a shame that you cannot do the same when tutoring your University students about all things religion , isn't it? They must be the thickest students in all of the field of theology. As with your criminal clients. They must rue the day from their prison cells that you were hired to defend them.
This is why you continue to destroy your own credibility.
I don't think so, Reverend "Tradey". I am of the belief that it all serves me well to be able to reference and recall not just comments from yourself, but from scripture too. Which is something that we all know that you will never be able to do no matter how many "qualifications" you claim to hold.
This is why I do at times question your own ability to recall scripture when needed. Such as in the example Lot, a key character in the bible story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and other cities. I mean, how on gods good earth could you not remember Lot was a "righteous man in the eyes of the Lord"!? And you taking money from universities to lecture their students on!? Do they not know how bible ignorant you really are?#8
But you can't even see this.
Oh I can. If I couldn't see it, I wouldn't be able to perform or function on this Religion forum, I believe I came here equipped with the right tools for the job, and you didn't.. You see Reverend " Tradey" I do not use this forum as a pulpit as you do. I use this forum for its real purpose, you just do not know the difference.
Still, it must bug you.
NOPE! Nothing much bugs me about this forum, especially you and your other personas.
Which school did you fail at or get rejected from?
NONE! So don't you be so rude.
And let me remind you. This is someone else's thread that you are now creating an unnecessary argument on. I advise the OP to flag you if you carry on derailing his brilliant topic.
A brilliant topic that you have shown no interest in taking part in whatsoever and admitted that you haven't a single bit interest in what he has posted, ON HIS OWN THREAD!
#9 Tradesecret wrote: I don't need to read the verses - I have read them before. Many times. I am not embarrassed by them. I embrace each one of them.
The OP doesn't appear to want to know how much you "embrace them" Reverend "Tradey". No, the OP would like you, in your capacity as a Pastor and Chaplin and tutor to explain them to him. And so would I.😊
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@BrotherDThomas
Its this simple Brother;
John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Acts 2:22 Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:3 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
1 Corinthians 8:6 " yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
lets see how they reinterpret these verses to suite their agenda.
All the above show that Jesus THE MAN is not a god and totally separate from god. They show Jesus simply to be "the servant of god" .
and to crown it all from the lips of the messiah Jesus himself;
Luke 18:19. WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? JESUS ANSWERED. NO ONE IS GOOD- EXCEPT GOD ALONE"
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Where is Ethang5? He hasn't been on the site for 5 months.
Don't kid yourself, FLRW. He's been here sometime now. We have to wait patiently for any one of his two other personas to invoke and summon his presence.
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Tradesecret wrote: “I have no reason to respond further to your comments. Unless you can provide me with one - I will continue to ignore you.”Well, the forum knew this day would eventually come, where the ever so Bible stupid Tradesecret would finally throw in the towel of defeat to my superior knowledge of the Bible over their pitiful grade-school knowledge of same.
Well what can I say, Brother? The Reverend "Tradey" Tradesecrete assured me that he "wouldn't be going anywhere. " And just a few well pointed bible verses highlighting his own bible ignorance from you and whooooooooooooooooshhhh, gone in 60 seconds. The lord sure looks after his own , I will give you that Brother.
Tradesecrete wrote: The only derailment here is responding to your ridiculous lies and distractions.Then simply do not respond. It really is that simple Reverend.I would though like to request that in your LAST and FINAL response to me to simply put up links to where I have deliberately lied about anything.....if you can.Tradesecrete wrote: Yes you would love that - so you and the brother can say - Tradey is running away again. #59
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NEXT TOTALLY BIBLE STUPID AND IGNORANT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN RUNAWAY LIKE TRADESECRET WILL BE … ?
Bated breath and all that, Brother.
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