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@Tradesecret
I don't need to read the verses - I have read them before
And no doubt forgotten them. So how do you know they were the same verses? And lest we forget, you have a terrible memory for scripture. Would you like an example, Reverend?
HERE YOU ARE:
Trade secret wrote; I can't seem to recall where Lot was ever held up as a paragon of virtue or righteousness.Tradesecret wrote; Can you think of anywhere in the Scriptures where Lot is help up as being a model for Jews or for Christians? I can't and I would never hold him up as so.Stephen wrote; 2 Peter 2:7"and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless" .The Brother had you tagged from day one didn't he?
Yes!! that is you Reverend! You that charges Universities to lecture their students about things you yourself know nothing about and that keeps forgetting the parts that you shouldn't forget and can't remember even when prompted .
Tradesecret wrote: No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them. #20
They are being robbed by you, but then lawyers are well known for overcharging their clients for mountains of small print and double speak on paper and without conscience aren't they Reverend "Tradey". Or have you also forgotten that you are a lawyer too?
HERE YOU ARE:
Tradesecret wrote: I am a lawyer. There you goBut in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. #20
Tradesecret wrote: I can't do debates. I don't have the capacity to be so committed to a debate. No offence. I will discuss these things on the forum - but I don't get back everyday
This will be because of your so, so heavy workload that you also tell us about, I take it Reverend? You know, the charity work, fighting the abortion cause. Your farm, and your criminal clients to represent, and university workload, your ministering to your countries armed forces etc etc and all this on top of family too. Or have you forgotten this too?
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@Bones
Jesus is kinda sketchy.
Bang on the nose , Bones.
And I would go so far as to say the Jesus story is complete nonsense in the way it has come down to us and been preached to us for the last 2,000 + years by Pastors and Priests that don't know their arses from their elbows.
The New Testament in particular simply tells the story of a Priest-King that didn't get to rule and the power struggles between all of many the factions and many "messiahs" of the time vying for that power. And Jesus lost. He didn't inherit the throne of David as promised, he didn't rebuild the temple as he said he would and he didn't free his people from the Roman yoke as was expected from "the one to come", the Messiah.
Christians for millennia have been deluding themselves that somehow he had come to save them. But Jesus was a Jew, sent - by all accounts - by god to unite the tribes of Israel and there were no Christians in his time. And I am sure that he would have been appalled that a whole new religious ideology had sprang up in his name.
Christians have simply wrapped around this man, myths from many cultures. Jesus was a man that believed himself to be rightful king of the Jews and heir to the throne of King David. But others believed different and simply were not having any of it, there was a lot at stake. And Jesus failed his mission miserably..
Christians have turned Jesus, rightful heir to the throne of David, into nothing more than a conjuring clown.
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@Tradesecret
Who are the "some" and which "secrets society" are you referring to?The some is you.
There is nothing there that indicates a "secret society" unless of course we are talking about Jesus's own secret sect/society that he tried to keep under-wraps - "until his time had come". I do reference and cite a few good authors that may belong to such societies. But unless you can post up a link directly to where you believe that maybe I belong to one you don't have much in the way of evidence now do you, Reverend.
So, when you are ready.
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@Tradesecret
There are few passages from John gospel only indicating that Jesus is god.True and False. John does indicate Jesus is God. But so do many other places in the Bible.
Lets see em Revered
Paul indicates it on many occasions.
Lets see em Reverend
Luke does in Acts.
Lets see em Reverend.
I have no reason to doubt that the other passages indicate that Jesus is God as well.
Lets see em Reverend. In fact why do you not simply show all of these other verses where al the other gospels aside John say or indicate that Jesus is god? Think of the time we will save , Reverend "Tradey"
The other gospel refer to him as being only a "son of god" which is nothing more than a title of the times, and today as a matter of fact. Indeed, the whole nation of Israel were said by god to be his own and special children. Also Jesus is clearly called the "son of man". So who is making Jesus out to be a god?This is your opinion.
Stop being so bible ignorant!!!! Jesus is referred as being - a son of god, before he was born.
In Luke 1:35, in the Annunciation, before the birth of Jesus, the angel tells Mary that her child "shall be called the Son of God". In Luke 4:41"
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Mark14:62 and there are another 30+ verses that refer to him as being the "" son of Man"
Why are the other gospels silent on the matter of Jesus being a god? And doesn't all of Christianity rest on this ambiguous claim.Well you state this. You prove it. I deny it. But it is your assertion.
I cannot show you what isn't there stupid! And unlike many Christians, including you, I am not in the habit of rewriting these scripture.
You are simply running out of steam Reverend "Tradey" . And I will say with some confidence that your every rebuttal to me from this day will be that I am creating "strawman" arguments.... without ever explaining why you believe they are.
You are on your last legs, Reverend. Your other personas have deserted you. Dimwittim is finished and has deserted you and your vile friend that you have aspired to be like all of your days ethang5 is over and out, dead and buried.#76
I am expecting your vile true colours to appear any day now.
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey".
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@n8nrgmi
the bible has exact verses that say Jesus is God. it has ambiguous evidence that he might not be God. so how do you reconcile these?
It also has verses that god says he isn't god too, doesn't it. And it is not for me to reconcile, that is for the theist. I am simply highlighting the ambiguity that is the the bible.
it must be the case that the bible says he is God, cause there is concrete language in that regard and the ambiguous language can only be used to support that.
So it is unreliable as any sort of testament or fact. Or any kind of "gospel truth".
i understand that you dont follow the bible as error free or whatever.
Correct. I don't The bible is simply made up of unreliable ambiguous half stories. Example; what happened to Lazarus the most famous resurrected character in the bible next to Jesus? Why did the Jews want to kill him. What had he done in their eyes that warranted a death sentence death? This is what I mean by unreliable ambiguous half stories.
but if you are holding out the standard of what the bible says, and giving it the benefit of the doubt that it's comprehensible,
I am saying that it is simply a confusing mass of contradictions and I have proven this to be the case many times in many of my thread. And isn't it Christians that have set the bible standards and that have been preaching from it for over 2,000 years? Because it is not me, my friend.
you can't then back out of that proposition just because you dont like the results.
What results.
you can reject the bible because you dont like,
I can do what I like. But not liking it wouldn't be one of the reasons that I reject it. I have better reasons for rejecting it in the state that it has come down to us over the millennia and reject it on the grounds that I disagree with how it has been preached by Chaplains, Pastors and Priests for the last 2,000 years.
but dont pretend it supports your position on this.
I pretend nothing. I don't have to. And if you are a devote Christian, then problems that arise from these unreliable and ambiguous half stories in scripture are all your problems, not mine.
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@Tradesecret
Some try and introduce another kind of death associated with ritual with higher orders with a secret society.
Who are the "some" and which "secrets society" are you referring to?
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@Tradesecret
So then do so, if your up to it, Reverend. But try and do so without invoking the supernatural. If you can.Hmm let's see - why would God (supernatural being) become flesh (supernatural act)?
I see. So at then of the day, is all you have as any type of reply (or answer) is the supernatural .
Yes, I know you can't see the reason. And you explained this in your OP. But rather than seeking answers - you put forward TWO strawmen arguments -
Well, that is your opinion Reverend "Tradey". But if you would like to put me right and - first, explain why you see my OP as a strawman argument and - second explain how, by me posting two reasons Christians put forward reasons that god chose to transform into human when those reasons are simply debunked by THE BIBLE AND GOD, is to you a strawman argument?
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@Tradesecret
So can a single one of the Christian fold here give a valid and factual reason why god had to "incarnate" as a human being here on earth.Hmmm - yes I suspect any of the Christian fold could give such a reason.
So then do so, if your up to it, Reverend. But try and do so without invoking the supernatural. If you can.
But why would they want to give it here?
Because this is a religion forum where matters of religion are discussed and argued about.
You have not explained why they should give it - after all, it is you who wants to know the answer.
It is me that wants to know the answer Reverend. My, you are so sharp. And the reason being is that I can see no reason why a god needed to take on human form, and send himself to be crucified in a blood sacrifice at all when (1) God could see already mans suffering from where he was and (2) he was already forgiving sin before Jesus anyway. I explained all this in the OP. So when you are ready I would like your explanation.
If you don't have one, just simply say so. I would rather you did this instead of you listing all of your qualifications as some sort of authority on the scriptures when I know you are anything but.
Indeed you have, and by your own admission, told us that is all you do is pass on what you have been told to pass on #20.. A kind bookies runner so to speak, to
` go tell it on the mountains over the his and far away `.
And last time I checked, Matthew 7:6 still was a command.
Yes but this has nothing to do with tis thread right now, Reverend "Tradey". If you would like to start a thread about Jesus' intolerance towards anyone not Jew, please do.
Also curious as to what you consider either a valid reason and also a factual reason.
Well this doesn't surprise me coming from one that claims to be a Pastor and a Chaplin to his countries defence forces. This of course comes about for not knowing the scriptures that you have been preaching since you were "called".#20
Did I answer your question? Of course not.
Correct. You didn't.
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the bible has exact verses that say Jesus is God. it has ambiguous evidence that he might not be God. so how do you reconcile these?
It also has verses that god says he isn't god too, doesn't it. And it is not for me to reconcile, that is for the theist. I am simply highlighting the ambiguity that is the the bible.
it must be the case that the bible says he is God, cause there is concrete language in that regard and the ambiguous language can only be used to support that.
So it is unreliable as any sort of testament or fact. Or any kind of "gospel truth".
i understand that you dont follow the bible as error free or whatever.
Correct. I don't The bible is simply made up of unreliable ambiguous half stories. Example; what happened to Lazarus the most famous resurrected character in the bible next to Jesus? Why did the Jews want to kill him. What had he done in their eyes that warranted a death sentence death? This is what I mean by unreliable ambiguous half stories.
but if you are holding out the standard of what the bible says, and giving it the benefit of the doubt that it's comprehensible,
I am saying that it is simply a confusing mass of contradictions and I have proven this to be the case many times in many of my thread. And isn't it Christians that have set the bible standards and that have been preaching from it for over 2,000 years? Because it is not me, my friend.
you can't then back out of that proposition just because you dont like the results.
What results.
you can reject the bible because you dont like,
I can do what I like. But not liking it wouldn't be one of the reasons that I reject it. I have better reasons for rejecting it in the state that it has come down to us over the millennia and reject it on the grounds that I disagree with how it has been preached by Chaplains, Pastors and Priests for the last 2,000 years.
but dont pretend it supports your position on this.
I pretend nothing. I don't have to. And if you are a devote Christian, then problems that arise from these unreliable and ambiguous half stories in scripture are all your problems, not mine.
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@fauxlaw
Tell me, after Jesus' resurrection was he man or spirit?Flesh and blood?
That is a question. Can you simply not answer.
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@fauxlaw
Acquiring knowledge by our own sweat of the brow is part of that dominion over the Earth stuff we were given according to Genesis.
I think you are referring to Genesis 1:26
" let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth".
It doesn't actually say batteries included so to speak, but I will assume this is what you mean? Correct me if I am wrong.
That said, it is a good point of yours and a well chosen word; "knowledge" as in from the tree of knowledge.
But then that throws up another problem for you doesn't it. I will wait a while to give you the chance to spot it for yourself.
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@fauxlaw
written for an ancient audience and culture and society of the time.Show me from the Bible, from all its separate books [66, I think] that it is written singly for an ancient audience?
Stop being so silly, man! For a start the Old Testament was written in original Hebrew with a splash of Aramaic used only today for prayer or study there for it could not have been intended for civilisation of the 21st century. The New Testament was written in common dialect Greek or koine (something that you alleged to be a student of#28 but when given the chance to demonstrate these fine qualities, you fell at the first fence).
Both these languages are ancient languages and are clearly for an audience of their time and not yours, and were also not intended for the likes of you to tamper with and rewrite, simply to suit your own ends. And neither were these intended for Oxford or Eaton student a 21st century student to abide by its laws either.
So, Christ became flesh? Of course he did.
Like I said , from THE BIBLE:
1 Corinthians 15:50 50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
So did Jesus ascend to heaven or not?
there's no sense in answering any other questions, because they all are answered by the same means
Of course they are in your own mind, and that answer would be faith and superstition for the larger part, wouldn't it.
I've also said there is a means to resolve the problem by applying the faith necessary to study and pray about it;
Yes , faith, I did this will be one of the two get out of jail free cards that I mentioned above.
Tell me, after Jesus' resurrection was he man or spirit?
Look, I did not invent all the various problems with translation that is the root of most of the problem of finding contradiction. It's there, I admit it, but, I've also said there is a means to resolve the problem by applying the faith necessary to study and pray about it; a simple solution you reject out of hand because you think it is just mumbo jumbo. That's on you and you alone. Argue for your limitations; they're yours. You have never, ever, and never will have a reasonable come-back against that reasoning. I can't prove it to you, but God can and will.
Didn't take too long for you to throw your toys out of the pram did, High Priest.#36
I don't believe the bible is totally mumbo jumbo either. To me, I believe it to hold much historicity, minus the miracles. Your own problem is trying to explain away what you have called " all the various translations " with utter superstition and faith. We are in the 21st century, it doesn't work anymore , High Priest.
Put simply I just don't agree with - in this case - your own explanations simply because you have based them on faith for lack of plausible explanations.
there's no sense in answering any other questions
You don't have to stay and you don't have to answer any questions. But I will take a none answer as a - ` I don't know `.
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@ebuc
The common shout from Christians is that god, became flesh to understand "human suffering"Sex { orgasm } is the no brainer answer. No sex, no proliferation of any species and much less fun on Earth or in heaver ;--D
I kid you not. There is more to your comment than you may realise.. When we compare THE BIBLE version and the story of Enoch and the so called "fall of Man", in that both these accounts are about sex and union and the sons of god raping or deceiving and " beguiling" earthly women.
The book of Enoch has a similar story to that of the Genesis 6:1-7 But the bible version attempts to shift the blame for the actions of gods own sons or at least hold both "serpent" and womankind responsible , woman kind more so.
Where as the book of Enoch tell it like this:
My paraphrase;
The sons of god, some 200 of them led by an angel named Shemyaza had “lusted after the women of the earth and began to go into them and defile themselves”, this of course, was a total taboo. God had the offenders bound chains and it was they that had asked Enoch to plea on their behalf, and if I remember correctly, the result was, that as a condition those that had defiled themselves with earthly women had to marry the earthly women and never return to their stations in heaven. But the bible relates that god punished not his sons but mankind!?
Genesis plays down the part of played in the fall by the deeds of his own sons, saying:
" The sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose". Genesis 6:20
Genesis6:20 on first reading may look like a straight forward boy meets girl fall in love get married. These marriages were not some social happy family gathering events , they were punishments of gods own sons that had defiled themselves by humping the arse off beautiful earthly women. It makes one wonder about the origins of the face veil and headscarf?
Is it any wonder that the book of Enoch wasn't included in the bible?
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@fauxlaw
It's a deceptively simple concept.
Why? And the words "deceptively" and "simple" do not ring true at all in the case of the bible and when used in the same sentence . There is nothing `simple ` about these ancient texts written for an ancient audience and culture and society of the time. You are simply being disingenuous and would have done better staying with the word "deceptive" alone. The authors of the New Testament all appear to have their own agendas and ideas about "god" and interpretation of the law of those ancient times. And I find it amazing that you of all the people on this forum are quoting from a BIBLE and using a BIBLE written in English !!!
The whole idea of "God is spirit," which starts the ball rolling toward this kind of question, is, itself, misunderstood.
why?
It is said there are 20-some biblical verses proclaiming who God is, but, among them, there is only one verse specifically declaring God as a spirit: John 4: 24 "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."Well, the first three words tell us that God is a spirit,......................and everyone stops there, cherrypicking
Which is what you are now doing at this very moment. I have said many times, that for every verse that you choose to defend what is written in scripture, that I can almost guarantee you that there will be another verse from THE BIBLE that will and does often , contradict it and you.
They ignore the follow-up: "...those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." Does this mean in order to worship God properly, we must, ourselves, de-couple from our physical bodies to be only a spirit? Absurd.
Explain to us why none of the other scriptures or even Paul , a self confessed liar even hint that Jesus is god?
So, Christ became flesh? Of course he did.
Like I said , from THE BIBLE:
1 Corinthians 15:50 50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
There's the second misunderstanding you cite: In order for Christ to understand human suffering.
Like I have said and have already covered and shown in my OP, god already understood human suffering, he seen it for himself without having to transform into a human thereby contaminating himself with human traits and lets not forget, inherited sin from his mother Mary.
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@zedvictor4
Because some clever dick suggested it and a lot of dimwits lacked the ability to question it.
Correct. 1 point. *
And so as not to offend todays somewhat brighter religious folk......I'm talking back in the day here.
We have to look at these ancient text from the stand points of, well, the ancients and the mind set of the time. I believe it is referred as zeitgeist.
Correct. 2 points. **
Nonetheless, continuing to transfer such archaic ideology, isn't particularly bright.
Indeed, I have said many times now that adopting and trying to contextualise a god we today couldn't possibly understand, from a time that we couldn't understand and from a culture we don't understand was the most retarded thing Christians could ever have done. It has simply left the the modern-day Christian holding the baby and the burden of having to explain away - among other thing - the actions and dictates of this vile and jealous god or war and carnage.
3 points. ***
Because what should by now have been rendered solely to history books is still taken quite seriously by some.
See above. 4 points. ****
But hey....It fills the shelves with Easter eggs just after the Christmas puddings have been removed to the bargain basement.
Well yes it does. Not to mention the coffers. These religious gimmicks have simply replaced having to purchase the compulsory sacrificial dove or lamb or goat from the temple Priests and Pastors before being allowed to pray at the temple of certain days and purchase them at extortionate exchange rate from the priestly money changers. Is it any wonder Jesus threw an hissy fit? This money should have been going to him and his cause. He did believe after all, that he was rightful king and heir to the throne of David and holding the title- Son of God.
So you have just scraped a full house there Vic, lad. FIVE POINTS!! *****
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@n8nrgmi
you are just choosing to ignore the verses that say that Jesus is God.
Do you mean I am choosing verses that contradict the verses that you believe says Jesus is god?
why use the bible as the standard for yourself but then ignore it when others use it?
THE BIBLE is not a standard for me or anyone else alive. THE BIBLE is an ancient book for an ancient audience of it time.
Jesus was also a man.
YES! THE BIBLE clearly says that umpteen times , doesn't it.
he may not have known everything in his human form.
Correct, he was human and an educated one at that.
he's human and a distinct from the father, so he can be both son of man, son of God, and God himself.
NOPE! THE BIBLE gives no indication that Jesus says he is god.
but again, this is simple a look at the evidence of the verses. u just choose to ignore the evidence.
Of course I look at THE BIBLICAL ` evidence `. .... for what it is worth and a scant and ambiguous as it is.
I wouldn't have started this thread without looking into THE BIBLE itself.
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@BrotherDThomas
n8nrgmi,YOUR QUOTE THAT YOU "THINK" JESUS IS GOD: "I admit I always hesitated to say he's God.. but I hesitated more to say he's not. most bible verses i saw were to arguable. then i saw some that weren't so arguable. and i'm one to give the bible the benefit of the doubt... so... I go with God..."For Christ's sake, you are using the "benefit of the doubt" adage to "think" that Jesus is the serial killer Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate???!!! This Devil Speak position of yours is NOT an absolute to say the least! Therefore, how can you live with yourself on a "maybe" proposition that Jesus is God? BLASPHEME!Furthermore, you've stepped in more proverbial poo by now inferring that the BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF and the ramifications thereof, where we have brought forth Jesus' inspired words in verses showing that Jesus is only the SON OF GOD! Whereas now, YOU are saying that Jesus is Yahweh God incarnate! WTF? Both of these biblical propositions cannot be true at the same time, either Jesus is specifically God, or He specifically the Son of God, understood?!N8nrgmi, are you starting to smell "sulfur" yet?
I won't break that contradictory nonsense down , Brother you have stated all that is required. I can only expect that N8nrgmi will see his glaring contradiction and come off the fence one way or the other. It is as you clearly have pointed out, N8nrgmi cannot have it both ways although, many Christians, for reasons known only to them, believe that they can.
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,As shown in my threads 67 and 68 above, TRADESECRET is "still under the impression" that I am supposed to answer his/her/unknown recent questions to me first, in their "I want my cake and eat it too" scenario, whereas TRADESECRET has not even come close to addressing my "plethora" of questions to him/her/unknown dating back months! H-E-L-L-O?
You say this, Brother, as if you really expected a response from him/her in answer to you questions! S/he won't even address questions that have been and are raised by his own comments and statements.......on his own thread!!!?..
Do you know, Brother once I posed him a question that required a - yes or no answer. His response to me was;
Tradesecret wrote: "I counsel all of my clients never to answer yes or no. Why would I not take my own advice? Life is more complex than black and white - yes and no answers". #15
Alas, I think you expect far, far too much, Brother.
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I have heard a few reasons as to why god is said to have become flesh and not once have I been able to understand why this "incarnation" had to happen and even why it should be believed.
The common shout from Christians is that god, became flesh to understand "human suffering" . But this simply cannot be in any way true ...unless we ignore the awkward fact that God as god, understood human suffering perfectly well? And we know this because THE BIBLE says so.
So let us first blow the "human suffering" argument out of the water by highlighting what god himself has to say on the matter while he is still god;
Exodus 3:7 The Lord said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering".
So we see right away, that god didn't need to go to all the trouble of sending anyone in any shape or form and that he could clearly see (and we have to assume understand) that god was well up to speed on the matter.
Another of the reasons given for this "incarnation" is that god as Jesus was sent to forgive our sins. Why? And again this shite can also be blown out of the water by THE BIBLE!
Isaiah 45:21-22. God as god says; “Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other".
Jonah 3:5-10. " When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened".
So we can clearly read, god as god on both these occasions was forgiving sins before he is believed to have "incarnated" as Jesus on earth. And as a point of fact, Jesus as Jesus was also forgiving sins before he was crucified so that blows the "crucified for our sins" clean out of the water too.
So can a single one of the Christian fold here give a valid and factual reason why god had to "incarnate" as a human being here on earth.
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@zedvictor4
I would therefore suggest, that this has all happened before, many times.
And I couldn't agree with you more, Vic my mate. As does THE BIBLE:
Ecclesiastes 3:15King James Bible
"That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past."
The ancients were onto something , Vic, and it wasn't all begatting.
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@Wylted
- see. So which one is it? A god - OR -the word was divine?
Greek is a high context language, it's hard to know. Just Google the difference between high context and low context languages. It could mean a god or it could mean divine. We don't know. We do know that the phrase has a different word being translated for God when it says "in the beginning was the word and god" than it does for the instance where it says "and the word was God". I think the use of different words must be signifying that they mean two different things.I also don't know that there is much actual difference between calling something divine and calling it a God, even in English. So it seems like it would be a pretty similar statement.
So then you do realise that you have just rendered the Bible written in the English language pointless and totally unreliable with that statement. Don't worry, you won't be the first to do this unwittingly.
The foundation of Christianity is that Jesus was god. But at least the JW's are closer to the mark than any other. And good for them. is all they have to do is drop the miracles and they will free themselvesBelief still requires a belief in his death and resurrection, so they need at least one miracle to be there.
Yes and this is why I have said above that is all they have to do now is drop the miracles and they will free themselves.
Do you ever want to learn anything or do you just proselytize for atheism?
I have leaned much over the years about the scriptures. I have found that a myth has been wrapped around a man that believed himself to be rightful heir and king to the throne of David & Jerusalem that lived 2,000 years ago. What have you learned?
You have been interacting with Christians for years and you still have not learned that Christianity is built on the death and resurrection of christ.
I know perfectly well what the foundation of Christianity is. It's just unfortunate you haven't been keeping up. But you are new here , aren't you?
You could honestly throw out the bible and it would rest on the same thing.
Not if you discard the miracles and the belief that Jesus was a genetic son of god. Which he wasn't. Son of god is simply a title that thicko Christians have taken literally.
Why do you think the miracles in the Bible were not witnessed for example?
Because they were not "miracles". They were simply part of initiation into the (sheep) fold and raising to higher degrees in said fold. Read the bible.
My guess is ignorance. No reliable scholar would say the miracles were not witnesses.
I haven't said that they were not witnessed. I have said they were not miracles. FFS keep up!
There were records of a hundred people at least claiming to be the messiah and pulling off similar miracles.
Maybe but it doesn't make these rituals of "miracles". And as you suggest, messiahs of the time were ten a penny, because they all had there own different ideas about god and OR different interpretations of the law. There is below a perfect example of "another" at the time of Jesus going around doing exactly what Jesus was doing.
HERE:
Less than half way through Luke's gospel there are two verses that appear to simply come out of nowhere that have nothing to do with the preceding story lines in the chapter and neither the succeeding lines. The two verses are sandwiched between _ an argument that had started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest, at Luke 9: 46-48, and the rejection of Jesus from a Samaritan village. Luke 9: 51-55.
Luke: 49 “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”
50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”
Who was he? so we clearly see, from THE BIBLE itself, Jesus wasn't the only "miracle worker" was he? And neither was he the only son of god in the bible, if you take the fkn time to read the shite for yourself!
Why would it be possible for all these other fake messiah to perform these miracles but not this fake or real messiah known as Jesus?
Because they were not miracles, they were simply initiations rites.
The miracles you read about are things people actually saw. Even known fake messiah pulled off similar ones. It's almost retarded to say
I haven't read about any miracles. What you are describing as "miracles" were simple initiation rites. So not as "retarded" as you might think.
"Well 50 people in that time made an illusion that they turned water into wine and it is well established historical fact,
Well it not established fact, but again, this is simply an initiation ceremony.
but since Christians believe one of them is god that means they never saw the same exact illusion"
Well no Christian alive today can literally perform the water into wine can they? But if we look at it as a wedding ceremony , the sect being the bride and the initiate the groom then a different picture begins to immerge immediately, doesn't it. And the water into wine is the equivalent to the saying " a silk purse from a sows ear" which means turning something ugly or bad (or dead) into something of value and worthiness. It is only when you begin to understand some, or just a few of these meanings, that another completely different picture emerges as to what was going on at the time of the Christ and to what you maybe once believe/d.
Raising the "dead" is a simply inhiation to a higher rank in the sect. Casting out a "demon" is cleansing and the shedding of ones old life, as was curing a "leper".
But you can make up your own mind. I am not here to teach you fk all or convert you. <<<<< KEEP THAT IN MIND!
It's just a retarded premise on your part. Please either think more critically or start taking nootropics.
I did. You are just too stupid to understand that I don't start a thread unless I believe I can defend it. And I have still yet to see you defend anything about the scriptures successfully, with relying on the fkn supernatural.
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@zedvictor4
Nice Vic.
The same circle of life on earth. And not having anything at all to do with a god in my pinion. It is what it is. The cycle is `out with the old and in with the new normal `, this is what I believe the bible teaches happens but a bigger scheme of things but the old going out can vary rarely accept the incoming new . But like I keep saying, its the bigger scheme of things that many a Christian completely fail to grasp and understand. Only my own opinion , Vid lad.
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@n8nrgmi
Jesus is God. (God and man, actually)
And that claim can be proven , can it?
So lets see here with my interjections in [ ]>.
Mark 11: 12-25
12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. [ God suffers hunger?]
13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. [ God then didn't know that the tree wasn't baring fruit before he approached it?]
When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. [god didn't know or understand the seasons that he had created?]
14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” [ Why? It wasn't the trees fault, the tree understood it propose for existing and when it should or should not produce fruit, and obviously God didn't.]
And his disciples heard him say it. [So? And indeed, they must have thought him mad as many did , including his own family]
So can you know explain away why God failed to understand and recognise the workings of his own creation here?
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
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@sadolite
According to the bible: It says I reject god if I don't believe god controls outcome. Guess I am going to hell. But if you behave like an evil, raping , murdering, pedophile SOB all your life and then all of the sudden believe in god just before you die you get to go to heaven. Don't really know if I would like the company god keeps in heaven. I still believe the universe and everything in it was created though.God Himself has revealed this truth to us in His Word. You have rejected the fact that He is active in the world (Isaiah 45:7). You have rejected that He is concerned with the affairs of man (Exodus 3:7). You have rejected the Word of God, which is the revealing of His will to humanity (John 12:48-49)
Yes. All very ` carrot and stick` isn't it?
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@zedvictor4
Nope. Believe is an ambiguous word.Because, one does not need to believe in certainty.One believes in an uncertainty, which by definition lacks proof.So I am not prepared to believe in anything.
Couldn't agree more.
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@drlebronski
im aware of what phobia means but words are used differently ok? for example if you look up the definition of homophobia on google the firt thing you will see is"adjective
Don't talk bollocks. And It is not a fkn crime to "dislike" anything.
Kids should not be taught about which sex that YOU prefer to hang out of the back of. And YOU shouldn't force them to listen to it. School is for learning about things that will help them in life and when they are able to stand on their own two feet. It is not there to be abused by timid twats who have their feeling hurt because someone doesn't agree with what they are and where they prefer to put their penis.
Now. Off you go
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@Deb-8-a-bull
->@zedvictor4I do keep up with reading alllllllll the posts but. Two days haven't passed .Oh and You are in my top 3 posters here. I haven't seen you post something that i don't agree with.
I am sure that there is an "ist" or and " ism" for someone to find there, Deb.
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@zedvictor4
Kids should not be taught indeterminate information in schools.
A+1
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@drlebronski
homophobia usually refers to having a dislike of someone because of their sexual orientation.
NOPE. Stop being stupid. I have told you. A phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear..
You are denying they exist by saying "no we shouldnt teach kids that they exist" that literally denying it.
Stop being so fkn STUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIID! And it is not "literally" anything. I KNOW HOMOSEXUALS HAVE EXISTED FROM THE YEAR DOT.
I don't fear homosexuals I have no reason to. But I firmly believe that my grandchildren can do without that bullshite rammed down their throats when they could be learning more important things about than the sexual habits of others. What you do behind closed doors is your business and doesn't belong in the classroom. But no doubt the minority will get their way under the guise of hurt fkn feelings.
And learn to understand what the fk you are talking about before you open your mouth>>>>>>>
phobic
/ˈfəʊbɪk/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
- having or involving an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."she's phobic about spiders"
noun
- a person with an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."a snake phobic"
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@Wylted
I read the Bible and go to church and try to figure out things for myself. I don't think I can neatly fall into any category.
And that is an excellent start, if you feel the need to start in the first place.
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@zedvictor4
So GOD fucked Joes missus, and gave birth to himself.How sporadic is that!
So your'e not a believer then , Vic lad?
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,What the hell, in prayer with Jesus just now, I guess I was speaking to the "Son of God Jesus" because he enlightened me to read the following biblical passages, to wit:“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only. “ (Matthew 24:36)
I think that verse speaks volumes - not even the son - , says it all, If we are to believe what Jesus is saying hear. Jesus here, Brother , is setting himself apart from god. So he clearly isn't god.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows, of which if Jesus was Yahweh God, he would already know, therefore this precludes that Jesus is only the Son of God Yahweh, and NOT God himself! SHYTE!
My point in a nutshell
“For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.” (John 5:26)Here Jesus received his life from the Hebrew Yahweh God. Yahweh received his life from no one because he was eternally self-existent at all times. Therefore again precluding that Jesus is only the Son of Yahweh God! DAMN YOU STEPHEN!
Exactly. And I no doubt will have others Damn me too.
"By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.” (John 5:30)Jesus says, "by myself", I can do nothing. This blatantly indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with Yahweh God, where Jesus is not trying to “please himself” but rather is seeking to please the one who sent him which is Yahweh God. Therefore, Jesus is not Yahweh God incarnate! STEPHEN, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO OVERTURN TRINITARIANISM?!
Again, this says it all.
The Son of Yahweh God in recent prayer gave me more passages to show that he is only the Son of Yahweh God, but I think the above examples are embarrassing enough towards me and the Catholics, and the other Trinitarian faiths! :(Stephen, I'll let you know if the "Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate" shows up in prayer with me in the near future, which would really upset the applecart! DAMN YOU FOR BRINGING FORTH THIS DISTURBING TOPIC!
Please do, it will be nice for once to argue with what Jesus has to say about these unreliable scriptures for himself.. But you will have to accept it for what it is.
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@Wylted
all of Christianity does not rest on it. I know jehovah witnesses do not believe Jesus to be God,
The foundation of Christianity is that Jesus was god. But at least the JW's are closer to the mark than any other. And good for them. is all they have to do is drop the miracles and they will free themselves from the mire of the bullshite that other Christians have been falling for, for 2,000 years
and John 3:16 doesn't require the belief to comply with.
John3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
God loving the world does not mean Jesus is god.
I think John chapter one is the most common evidence for Jesus being God
Opinion. It doesn't mean that Jesus is god.
Jw's believe that it is a mistranslation and instead of saying "the word was god" it should say the word was "a god" or the word was divine
I see. So which one is it? A god - OR -the word was divine?
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@FLRW
See Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus by Joseph Atwill
I will do that, Thank you.
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@BrotherDThomas
HOLY JESUS CHRIST! When I read your topic title of "Jesus is not the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate," I fell to the floor and thinking to Jesus in prayer; "Please, let this not be true!"
Sorry to burst you bubble there, Brother. But I have a feeling that THE BIBLE once again supports my claim. I will give you just one instance that I believe makes this clear;
Mark
12:28-34Hear,
O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
OK you twisted my arm. Here's just one more:
“But
about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven,
nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew
24:36
Do you see that , Brother clear as day not even the son but only the father.
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@Intelligence_06
I can sort of understand why homophobic people are homophobic,
Well I can't. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. I don't have a fear of Homosexuals irrational or otherwise.
but denying existing things is never correct.
what things are you saying that I am denying??
Unless you can prove that LGBTQ+ don't exist.
I know these people exists..
Wrong tree, wrong cat.
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There are few passages from John gospel only indicating that Jesus is god.
The other gospel refer to him as being only a "son of god" which is nothing more than a title of the times, and today as a matter of fact. Indeed, the whole nation of Israel were said by god to be his own and special children. Also Jesus is clearly called the "son of man". So who is making Jesus out to be a god?
Why are the other gospels silent on the matter of Jesus being a god? And doesn't all of Christianity rest on this ambiguous claim.
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@Tradesecret
Stephen for someone over the age of 50, you really are daft and immature.
More slights. You just cannot help yourself can you? Its over 60 by the way.
Tradesecret wrote: the serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24
Tradesecret wrote: After all, you are the swine and the dogs that trample over the pearls. your comments to me are like water of a ducks back. #36
Not very Reverent to the lost sheep are you, Reverend "Tradey". But I will take that as you being in your ethang persona at the time of writing.
And for someone that doesn't understand the meaning to the parable of the Lost Sheep (these will be the same sheep that your vile friend ethang believes deserve to be murdered by Muslim Jihadis) you are as ignorant as the donkey Jesus rode on.
And thank you for resurrecting some of my old threads, Dimwit has resorted to this tactic and I appreciate both your efforts on my behalf.
Maybe my threads will serve as foundation and a spring board for anyone else to build on should they choose to do so. Because that is what they are there for after all.
Get well soon Reverend "Tradey". See you on my next thread.
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@BrotherDThomas
[Zeus] was the King of All Gods, even over the Hebrew serial killer Jesus. On the other hand, Jesus looked like a wussy, and weak, because what God allows themselves to be killed and hung upon a cross?! WTF!
"WTF" indeed?
Nonetheless, I picked the wussy looking Jesus, even though He hung around with 12 men, because His words within the scriptures promised that there will be NO WOMEN in heaven, of which this pleased me to no end because we had to put up with these Sisters of Eve while upon earth, enough!
Steady on , Brother. I love women....
Therefore, heaven bound men only finally get a reprieve from the 2nd class women as rightfully described within the Bible, praise! "It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife." (Proverbs 21:19)
.........although that does make a reasonably point.
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@Tradesecret
No need for a comprehensive reply to your thoughts.
Then don't !. You have totally ignored the valid questions I posed you and have yet again derailed your own thread as Ethang often does when he cannot respond soundly. And YOU do exactly the same. So, congratulations, you have become just like the vile man that you often tell us that you have aspired to be all you life , if you wasn't, deep down, like the vile man to begin with.
I like Ethang.
Yes, we know, you made that point of your close relationship that you have with the vile lying misogynist HERE>>
Tradesecret: wrote: "Ethang5
is a good friend of mine. I have know him for a significant
period of time. And if you think we are like each other, that is a
huge compliment for me. If I could be more like him, I would"
.#76
While you continue to lie about the bible and invent things - and try to distort it
Then why don't you start a thread using what you call my lies and distortions as examples of how you believe that people or I distorts the bible? If you cannot do that, then it is you that is the liar, Reverend "Tradey" . Meanwhile I shall continue to create threads concerning my own thoughts, ideas and theories that I have about YOUR unreliable scriptures. And I expect one of your personas to come along and derail them for their own lack of genuine objections and rebuttals and bible ignorance.
And just let me remind you, that it was you that had started all of this, Reverend "Tradey" with this kind of unreasonable, totally uncalled for and not very Pastor-like abuse;
Do you remember this from some time ago:
Tradesecret wrote: the serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24Tradesecret wrote: After all, you are the swine and the dogs that trample over the pearls. your comments to me are like water of a ducks back. #36
You are spent Reverend "Tradey". You have nowhere to go and always fail. Stick to what you claim to know best, because it isn't scripture.
How about lawyering or any one of the myriad of professions you claim to belong to? Or full time lecturing. I hear that the lecturing circuit is very well paid and doesn't take much brainwork either. I know quite a few lecturers and good at their profession they are too. Are you any good Reverend "Tradey"?.
Then there is those language studies. did you forget that you also have qualifications in those too? well I am here to remind you so don't worry yourself about that.
Here you go:
Tradsecret wrote: " I
study the original languages, translate them to English", #25 . I mean, you do ALSO tell us that you do ;
Tradesecret wrote: "understand Orthodoxy. I studied and was tutored by
academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox
Church". #91
You see Reverend "Tradey", to me , you have far, far too much going on in your life to want to even bother with a forum such as this as welcome as you are to do so. And all of this on top of your family life and a farm to run and charity work etc etc? Is it any wonder that you have had some-sort of a breakdown and had taken sick leave from this site for a while. I am sure I would too if I had your COLLOSAL workload !.
I am sure your new found persona will take it upon himself to take over for you for a while anytime soon.
Anyway.
Get well soon reverend "Tradey". Get well soon me ol` son.
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@Tradesecret
Being differently built is not an excuse. Your words reveal your anger.
Just like you like to read things into the bible that are not there, you are seeing things that are not there in my replies to you , Reverend. I have told you, that I quite like you when you are the, Reverend.
You obviously have a short memory if you don't recall being angry with me.
Well then lets us see these anger towards you from me and remind me. You may even get an apology, now wouldn't that be a nice arrow to your accumulated academic bow?
Ethang5 wrote: Why would any sort of jihadist keep me awake? Most of the world is not as run over with jihadists as England is. Only sheep or soldiers get killed by jihadists. #144Stephen wrote: Seriously Reverend, even though you tell us he " is a good friend of yours and aspired to be more like him, " #76 Why would you aspire to be like such a vile person as he? And YOU a man of the cloth, too? Of all the places you could have shown your reverence and diplomacy as a Pastor and a Chaplain, you ignored this completely! It was me that had to remind this vile man that some of those "sheep" belonged to gods own flock. And yes I was extremely angry. He should have been banned for that comment but had only he had just returned from a lengthy ban for constant sexual harassment of a member. You see, the man that you aspire to be like, well, he's also a misogynist too, you see.#17 RagnarTradesecret wrote: Nothing you have said would make me change my mind about Ethang.
No surprises there Reverend. I should imagine it is hard and that you are incapable supressing your other personas. But I am glad you won't change your mind. It simply gives me more opportunity to remind members here of the company that you prefer to keep and refuse to condemn or even call out.
I actually think you reacted in an entirely inappropriate manner because you failed to understand what he was saying. And whether he is a misognist or not - which I doubt, is a big so what to me.
Again, no surprises. And I don't particularly care what you think about me, Reverend. It is all irrelevant to me and the content of my threads.
Tradesecret wrote: To be clear I own all of my words.Stephen wrote: That will be in reference to your comment that "Words are words. And that is all they are". #45 Tradesecret wouldn't it? Then why are you so disturbed by what it is that I have to say about the scriptures and by giving my "take " on them, if " words are just words"?And lets not forget you have also said "The Bible is a book. It can't cause anything" .#3 TradesecretTradesecret wrote: Words are words. I have not said otherwise
I know you haven't. And that is how stupid you are. Even Jesus speaks of "the power of words" yet you will have us believe that they don't, and can't, effect anyone. You even attempted to play down the bible saying " it is just a book that can't cause anything" , yet your best buddy the vile misogynist ethag5 proved that to be entirely incorrect. You should keep up with what he says contrary to your own beliefs, you follow this vile man enough. And very close too.
Tradesecret wrote: I might well wish I did not write all of them.Stephen wrote: Well if I was you and insults aside, I would be down right ashamed and embarrassed at some of the things that you had wrote about yourself . Fortunately, I am not. and I can assure you that my feet are firmly on the ground, ReverendTradesecret wrote: Your feet are firmly heading down the path - having entered the wide gate.
Yep. And talking of memory lapses, you have totally forgotten the meaning to the parable of the Lost Sheep, haven't you, Reverend. And this is not the first time you have summoned the bible in a vain attempt to condemn me is it, Reverend?
Do you remember this from some time ago:
Tradesecret wrote: the serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24Tradesecret wrote: After all, you are the swine and the dogs that trample over the pearls. your comments to me are like water of a ducks back. #36
"Water off a ducks back" you say. Well I know different don't I ? My words have obviously effected YOU Reverend for you to have respond in such a way. And this from YOU, that proclaims to be a Pastor, and Chaplain to your countries defence forces!#20 the parable of the Lost Sheep is certainly gone clean over your head hasn't it, Reverend? I honestly dread to imagine what it is that you are teaching those University students that you claim to be tutoring: HERE>>
"No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them. #20
And you have the gaul to be teaching others about that which you know nothing or very of yourself!? They are being robbed by you. Just like those poor suckers in Jesus's time when the poor, desperate and needy ran to the Pastors and Priests of his time to give over their last mite for a ticket to heaven and everlasting life.
When caught out with your words- you just say “I don’t regret them”.That is not catching anyone out, you idiot, that is an admission coming from me , and made by me, I don't regret them. Unless you can find something in particular that you believe I should be regretful for, can you? Is there?You have been caught by lots of time on many occasions.
Ok. (1) at least you NOW know the difference between one being "caught out" and one actually admitting to something, don't you , our lawyer friend? You are a lawyer after all arn't you? you tell us so, HERE> #20. And (2), lets us see these many times with links, if you want to continue to play such games.
Tradesecret wrote: Stop being such a sad and pathetic person and start contributing to the topics in a constructive manner. Otherwise please leave the thread.Stephen wrote: I have and I do. If you do not wish to be challenged on your own comments then I can only suggest that you think really hard before posting anything else that you may regret. Because it is your own lack of thought that causes you to paint yourself into a tight biblical and theological corner.Stop talking garbage. you do what you do. you won't leave until you are good and ready. You have never painted anyone - into a theological corner.
You didn't read the word - "YOURSELF" - above there Reverend, very sloppy, very sloppy indeed .... for a lawyer#20
But that said, I have done so but usually I leave to the likes of you, the inept biblical ignorant to paint YOURSELF into a biblical and theological corner. Links available on request.
Tradesecret wrote: The only derailment here is responding to your ridiculous lies and distractions.Stephen wrote: Then simply do not respond. It really is that simple Reverend.I would though like to request that in your LAST and FINAL response to me to simply put up links to where I have deliberately lied about anything.....if you can.Yes you would love that -
It matters neither way to me. I have said, I like you when you are the Reverend.
so you and the brother can say - Tradey is running away again.
NOPE. I invite you to PLEEEEEASE stay around. Reverend "Tradey"
And I see that you have now taken your own thread completely off topic, just like your best friend of "many years" does when he is made to look the complete inept bible ignorant vile misogynist that he is and was banned for being.
Get well soon, Reverend , "Tradey".
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@Nyxified
This person's brain could swirl around inside a peanut for a thousand years without ever touching the sides,
And still have a bigger brain capacity than someone that decides ` tonight Matthew, I am going to be a woman with the biggest pair of bollock the world has ever seen`!
this is the funniest criticism I have ever seen of the LGBTQ (BGLQT?) movement in my entire life.
Then spread it around. Who knows, you may find the attention you are so desperately seeking?
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@drlebronski
i would argue that there is science behind it and what r u talking about getting charged with a hate crime?
Then you are living in a different world to me. Lucky you and unlucky me. And I didn't necessarily mean criminally charges either,
To charge someone can also mean a simple accusation against another.
And with that that said:
"Police who warned man about 'transphobic' tweet acted unlawfully"
And let me tell you,many of these so called "hate crimes" are being brought against individuals under the criminal offence of improper use of a public communications network,
contrary to section 127(2)(c) of the Communications Act 2003/
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@drlebronski
Schools should teach children that lbtq+ exists
NO!
and its ok to be LGBTQ+
They can call themselves what they like,dress as they like and put it where they prefer, its none of my business. But I should not be forced at the cost of being a hater or charged for a hate crime because I don't to agree that a woman is a man and man is a woman just because they say they are.
FM, these groups cannot even get their abbreviation in alphabetical order.
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@BrotherDThomas
How sorrowful and embarrassing can you get within this video where this "2nd class women" is asking Jesus "how should I pray for my sister that is in an auto accident!" HELLO?
That did make me wonder, Brother , how she had been praying before this day. Obviously in all of her years of praying for other things she had not been praying correctly!
Then Jesus allegedly says to this foolish woman; "pray for your sister to live." HUH?
Yes, I have to wonder why she needed telling that in the firsts place, yet here we have Jesus, stating the bleeedin` obvious !
The biblical axioms relative to this video are as follows:1. Jesus caused the accident to begin with: "Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand." (Proverbs 19:21)Obviously Jesus has other plans for this woman's sister, but He wants her to suffer before He makes His final decision!
Indeed, this is some ` wake up call ` isn't it Brother?
2. This foolish women in the video doesn't need to pray, because Jesus knows what the outcome will be: “The lot is cast into the lap, but it's every decision is from the LORD.” (Proverbs 16:33). Therefore, Jesus will decide in whether this woman's sister lives or not!
(A) Which makes me wonder what is point of praying. It appears that Jesus want's us on our knees begging, groveling and sniffling to him, although he knew the outcome anyway. What a cruel and sadistic bully.
3. Again, no need to pray in this instance because Jesus knows what you want, therefore you slap Him in the face when you do ask: "Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him." (Matthew 6:8) Therefore, this woman in the video shows insolence towards Jesus!
See (A) above, Brother.
Stephen, I am sure you will agree, in that don't we get tired of Bible inept pseudo-christians like the woman shown that your video represents, AND, as shown within this prestigious DEBATEART Religion forum as well?
I won''t argue with that.
But then there is the contrast between this poor woman's sister and those that prayed night after night at their dying babies' bedside;
“the parents believe healing comes from God and that they never expected their daughter to die as they prayed for her and summoned others to do the same”.A central Wisconsin couple who prayed rather than seeking medical care for their 11-year-old dying daughter were sentenced to six months in jail and 10 years probation in the girl's death. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/07/couple-sentenced-daughter-prayer-death
Maybe it was Jesus' plan here to have the parents imprisoned and considered their child simply collateral damage? We do know that that it is a biblical fact that life is cheap to this god, do we not, Brother? Maybe first they should have as Jesus, "how do I pray"? as is in the above story of the dead woman's sister.
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..... the desperate and needy theist!
Woman prays for her dead sister and she comes back with a revelation, saying ` Jesus is in love with me`.
It is such as shame, but as usual this miraculous revelation was revealed and told by a practicing Christian on the Christian Broadcasting Network, which to my mind contradicts the whole point of the lost sheep.
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All of it is, I believe, part of the injunction we were given in the Garden; dominion of the Earth.
And gave a tortoise a longer life span than any man-woman or child has.
This is also why I believe blaming God for everything;
I don't think the OP has blamed god. You mentioned God all on your own.
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Tradesecret as a male:Tradesecret as a female:
Tradesecret as an unknown:
I have wondered too Brother about if or not he is a female or male Pastor and Chaplain to his/her countries defences? As s/he explains to us all here below>>
I am a lawyer. There you goBut in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. #20
Or indeed if s/he is a male or female lawyer and tutor &lecturer to university students? As explained here>>
No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them. #20
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Good, then stop prattling on in every topic about how others are wrong because.
Example please.
Did you assume that he wasn't talking about the biblical god?Why don't you learn how to read? I didn't assume anything,
I can read. And I asked you did you assume the OP was talking about the biblical god considering that it was YOU and only YOU that brought THE BIBLEinto the mix and no one else did BEFORE YOU!!!!:
Here you go;
Do you see that^^^^^^^^^ ? That ^^^^^^^^ is YOU!
So you were assuming then that the OP was referring to the BIBLICAL god, weren't you? Clown.
If I wanted to talk to an idiot I would have addressed you personally.
Well that does say a lot for your thoughts and feelings for those that you do address personally, doesn't it? Clown.
Off you go now.
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