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@Tradesecret
Jesus said the two greatest commandments were to love God and to love others.
And he also says to hate others too, if you are speaking of the same man Jesus who's title is the " son of god and king of the Jews ".
The golden rule in the context of the sermon on the mount is prefaced with love God and then love others.
The sermon on the mount is simple bullshite made up of a mish mash of philosophical sayings from all around the globe and before Jesus was even born. Its just that you won't see it never mind admit it.
AND seeing that YOU introduced the Sermon on the mount ( a schoolboy mistake for a lawyer) to the thread, tell me;
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Why? Why are not the "pure in heart" called the children of god? Or "the merciful"? Or "the meek"?
Matthew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
And what about the peacemakers and the merciful and meek? Will they not see god?
and to add further to your law-school - schoolboy mistake:
... to be offering compensation for these things, rather than teaching that true morality only takes place when you want to do what you are doing, is educationally and developmentally debilitating. It teaches followers to do good things to get into Heaven and see god , not to do good things simply because it is the right thing to do.
Love others is the golden rule.
It might well be in human terms, but the same cannot be said for your god. Your god is a self confessed jealous god of war and blood sacrifice.
Your red herrings are irrelevant and not necessary to reply to.
So you simply cannot respond to what I have clearly highlighted from THE BIBLE that throws a spanner in your bullshite?
Why not take the time to explain away how god is showing any love towards us by asking anyone to sacrifice their children and to "HATE" anyone to show we love him above all else?
My post is to highlight the uniqueness of Jesus ‘ position.
No it doesn't. What you claim Jesus is saying or the saying of sermon on the mount are not "unique" to Jesus in any sense of the word as much as you are trying to present them to be, Reverend, as was immediately shown above by two other posters. And I have just highlighted your gods erratic and contradictory nature from THE BIBLE to that which you are proposing he is.
Given you have not refuted even a tiny bit....
And you it appears do not like being faced with what THE BIBLE says for itself.
This is not about child sacrifice. Stay on topic.
Quoting god speaking of LOVE, which is what YOUR thread is all about, is totally about .
I have said it many times to you and others, Reverend; this is what becomes of adopting a god that you simply don't understand, from a time that you don't understand and a culture you don't understand.
Get well soon.
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@Tradesecret
Love God with all of you heart and soul and mind and then - love others.
What utter nonsense.
The first mention of "love" IN THE BIBLE is when he, YOUR GOD, demands the human sacrifice of a child..
Genesis 22:2 – “Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”
Which speaks only of the love of a father for his son. Which, it appears, to be something your jealous god doesn't seem understand or is willing to tolerate!
When it comes to a wife it never speaks of "love" but commands only "take" a wife.
And then there is this utter vile nonsense from the NT:
“If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.Luke 14:26
So before you start banging on about how much we should love god because gods love us and "ONLY THEN" should we love one another,please take the time to explain away how god is showing any love towards us by asking anyone to sacrifice their children and to "HATE" anyone to show we love him above all else?
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@Tradesecret
if we could stick to the topic.
It would be nice if you would for once. You haven't even attempted to do so yourself.
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@ RM
from your link
"Iran
Amir Taheri
The Islamic attack on
Iranian culture
A survey of the effect on the intelligentsia of the Islamic revolution
'Burn the libraries,' ordered Omar, the
second Caliph of Islam, as his armies reached
Alexandria and Ctesiphon. 'For the truth of
all books is in the Holy Quran.'
^ That was a long time ago — in the seventh
century — at a time when conquering Islam
put all its confidence in its own Book backed
by the sword. Omar's command led to the
destruction of many a fine library in the
territories of the Persian and the Byzantine
empires that the Arabs had conquered".
Indeed, Islam/Muhammad put many of its learned men- philosophers, mathematicians, physicians and astronomers to the sword.
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@Timid8967
And Stephen is stupid. He thinks I am Ethang.
I don't know who you are. Whats more, neither do you for most of the time.
He thinks I am tradesecret.
It's a good possibility but I do believe that you both share/d a password to DebatArt. #21
He thinks I am PGA.20.
Nope. He's much too articulately worded than you could ever live be. You come across like you have just learned from some poor underprivileged backwater of Africa that mankind has been communicating via the written word and want to be educated too. So I would strongly rule PGA 20.0 out as being you. He's really smart, I mean, really really smart and you do not have a cat in hells chance of ever catching him up if you lived for 10,000 years. and neither does that dulcet dunce ethang.
He thinks I am fauxlaw.
Nope. I would certainly rule fauxlaw out as being one of your many personas.
So in summing up I believe the possibility of you being two of the above that you put forward as being candidates as your other personas mentioned, is more than great. You are just to dense to keep up with all of yourselves.
Just like ethang the Dagomba (or was it Ashanti ? he could never make up his own mind) from Ghana, Ethiopia, Australian or American, you would prefer to derail a thread even if its your own thread, once the realisation sinks through the density of the mass sitting on your neck that you have repeatedly embarrassed yourself.
That is what I think.
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@BrotherDThomas
Jesus H. Christ, TIMID8967 reminds me so much of the equally Bible stupid and ignorant TRADESECRET!
Who in turn reminds me of justasdim ethang. But as shown above , Brother, they all aspire to be just like one another.
Tradesecret: "Ethang5 is a good friend of mine. I have know him for a significant period of time. And if you think we are like each other, that is a huge compliment for me. If I could be more like him, I would" . #76
And speaking of eerie and spooky coincidences , Brother: dimtim uses almost identical words about the Reverend tradsecret too;
For a matter of interest, after reading some of Tradesecret's posts - which are on balance, ok, I would be happy, no pleased to be mistaken for him or her.
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@Timid8967
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
This is amusing. Perhaps I am Ethang too?
You said it.
I did suggest some time ago that I am of the belief that you and ethang share a password Note; that is not to say that you and he are the same person(but who knows?). I got banned for my trouble. But I still stand by that statement.
Strange that the old ethang of the Dagomba (or was it Ashanti ? he could never make up his own mind) hasn't returned after his much deserved lengthy ban for continued vile sexual harassment of members, including myself #17 .
He also told us that "Most of the world is not as run over with jihadists as England is. [ so English] people killed by jihadis are sheep and soldiers "#144. As if somehow they deserved to die at the hands of these fanatics!
He went very quite after I reminded him that those sheep that he was speaking of were of the lords own flock..
Yes Reverend Tradesecret, this is the very same vile and disgusting man that you told us all that you very much aspire to be like. Do you not remember!?
Tradesecret: "Ethang5 is a good friend of mine. I have know him for a significant period of time. And if you think we are like each other, that is a huge compliment for me. If I could be more like him, I would" . #76
And speaking of coincidences: dimtim spoke almost identical words about you too;
For a matter of interest, after reading some of Tradesecret's posts - which are on balance, ok, I would be happy, no pleased to be mistaken for him or her.
Now tell me. Is it any wonder that the three of you are ` mistaken ` for one another?
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@Wylted
No, that is new to me
The Satanic
Verses refers
to those verses which the Prophet Muhammad is said to have mistaken for divine revelation (they were nice fluffy verse apparently saying be kind to everyone and everything in the world). But when Muhammad was told where to stick his new ideology by all those who weren't fooled by him all those nice fluffy verses went clean out of the window and gave birth to the - so called `the religion of peace `. The verses can be read in early Biographies
of Muhammad by _
al-Waqidi
who was
a historian.
Ibn
Ishaq, who was
an Arab
Muslim historian and biographer. Ibn Ishaq collected oral traditions that formed the basis of an
important biography of
the prophet
Muhammad.
Ibn Sa`d a scholar
and Arabian biographer.
So make up your own mind, Wylted, if you have mind to.
Of course, Muslims
today reject these educated and learned scholars, historians and biographers by saying that Muhammad – an illiterate desert
dweller – wasn’t stupid enough to be fooled by Satan...or words to
that effect.
Its of similar vein in that Christians forever telling us that god loves us and all creation while the Old Testament itself proves the opposite. The OT god will kill at the drop of and hat and it shows - in the story of Job in particular, just how cheap human life really is to him. Read this 3 minute sad story of Job, a loyal servant that walked in all the ways of god, for yourself and make up your own mind.
Each to their own, eh.
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@Aryanman
Do you think that the idea of a dying and rising god that has been wrapped around the Christian god/Jesus came from Persian Zoroastrianism?i do not know much about that but i think its origins came from Christianity
Zoroastrianism is much much older than Christianity.
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@n8nrgmi
atheists have a stupid theory about people hallucinating elaborate afterlife stories when they die
And do not Priests and Pastors claim the same?
Dead for 48 minutes, this Catholic Priest claims God is female
According to 71-year-old cleric Father John Micheal O'neal claims that God is a warm and comforting motherly figure, whom he met in the heaven.
Pastor Robert Morris describes his near-death experience, claims he saw God
Pastor Robert Morris described a near-death experience to attendees of the Gateway church, stating that he felt extreme peace and calmness during those moments, happy to realize that he was about to see Jesus.
All extremely biblically contradictory is it not? The only consistency I have found with the bible is that it makes a mockery of itself persistently;
for did not god himself say:
"for no man may see me and live.” Exodus 33:20 King James Version
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@BrotherDThomas
"Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:31)"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life." (John 6:47)
Indeed Brother. It sounds to me that someone is desperate for anyone to believe in him and not at all as EtrnlVw will have us believe:
Dimtim wrote: do you think god wants us to believe in him?Just-asdim EtrnlVw wrote: It doesn't matter to God,
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
read most of Stephen’s topics. He is running before he even finishes his opening thoughts.
Running from who? That last time I showed you for the the bible ignorant bullshitter that you are you took a 3month sick leave under the pretence that you were ill, didn't you Reverend.
Get well soon, Reverend.
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@Aryanman
Islam is not suitable for Iran
Is that is why its full name is - The Islamic State of Iran? And why Iran's census claims that 99.5% of the population are Muslim? Or are you in a minority?
Are you considered an apostate?
Zoroastrianism
Was Zoroastrianism the Persian religion before the Muslim invasions and the conquest of Persia?
Do you think that the idea of a dying and rising god that has been wrapped around the Christian god/Jesus came from Persian Zoroastrianism?
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@Timid8967
Why do you often answer on behalf of the Brother
I don't. With the Brother knowing these unreliable scriptures inside out, the Brother is quite capable of handling himself adequately. If you ask me anything referring to the Brother. I will respond. Even if it boils down to speaking in his support and not yours.
IF YOU HAVE NOHING TO ADD TO THE THREAD CONCERNING THE TREAMENT OF MUSLIM WOMEN AND BABIES.
I do not advise you to start to derail another members thread by creating another argument with me.
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@Wylted
When I say preserved I mean every word is written by Muhammed and that it has not been altered in any way.
So you have never read about the satanic verses then, concerning how it was that Muhammad changed his mind about them and blamed them on Satan saying, they were - " nufink to do wiv me guv"?
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@ EtrnlVw
Dimtim wrote: do you think god wants us to believe in him?Just-asdim EtrnlVw wrote: It doesn't matter to God,
Are you sure about that? The bible says different. What the hell does the bible all boil down to if not having faith and "BELIEVING" in god? This is but another example of a crowing bible basher pretending he knows his scriptures.
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@zedvictor4
At the end of the day it's all about people, and the normal but seemingly bizarre stuff that they get up to.
Like murdering on the behalf and the say so of an invisible entity. Which although quite bizarre, is normal for some people.
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@zedvictor4
An assumed GOD, fucked a virgin without her consent and got her pregnant....Rape in human terms.
It won't be the first time gods own sons beguiled and raped human women either.
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@zedvictor4
Breaking News...Lori Lightfoot isn't a racist and the Pope isn't Catholic.
And there isn't a single moustache in Mexico nor a beard in the Middle East.
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@Timid8967
Mr I am not an atheist but I am an atheist.
You are the one to come here pretending to be anti every religion , claiming to be an "anti theist", bumped up some thirty + old threads to get a few posts under your belt and then had the audacity to say to me that you "wish I was more agreeable with the scriptures". #25 FFS how contradictory can one get than that!!!?
And if that wasn't contradictory enough; you then press home your anti everything religion by adding this complete and utter contradictory shite>.
Dimtim wrote: "non-theists don't debate theology - it is impossible because theology means - the study of god and non-theists don't believe in god". #20
- I am not sure how someone such as yourself would describe me.https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236/post-links/136488
Correct!!
You believe what you will about me princess, you won't find a single post of mine that is pro these unreliable scriptures.
But you have been caught cold on more than one occasion.
Dimtim wrote: "Until
we can do so honestly and without resorting to weak and pathetic
games like most non-theists tend to do then
the same old results will continue to keep happening."#20
BUT THEN THE CLOWN WRITES!!!
Dimtim wrote: "We
are non-theists. we have not seen evidence for god and we think
theists are idiots anyway - so we don't care how we treat them.
Especially in debating". #20
Dimtim wrote: "But
by suggesting that the theist has to make the first move - and that
they have the burden of proof, we give up our natural place in
things. Let's take it back". #20
AND THEN SAYS:
Dimtim wrote: " Let
me be clear. Theists have the burden of proof. I cannot recall ever
saying otherwise. And I don't recall thinking otherwise
either". #61
Dimtim wrote: "Still,
I am not a theist, #11
I
think the best place for the bible is on a burning pile of books" #8
Haahahhahahahhahhahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahhahhahahhahahhahahhahah
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@Timid8967
You are a fraud and it is not opinion.
keep it up ethang5- sorry, I meant dimtim.
I am on topic."But I will say it again. I find it awful strange that I would be challenged at all on my opinions and beliefs about the unreliability of the scriptures by someone who has proclaimed from the roof-tops that he is anti religion everything!!? Don't you, Brother D?" https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6388/post-links/274866If you don't think it is on topic, why are you not calling Brother on this? Hypocrite!
The Brother is clearly on topic in that he responded to me concerning your own denial of everything the bible says in those quotes THAT I POSTED at post #1
on the one hand, whilst on the other, you "wish me to be more agreeable with the bible", which I am not.
You are just to far too blind and ignorant to see your own contradictory comments.
[A] Here>> " you present an intriguing thesis.I just wish it would be clearer. More defined. More easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ? And the hole you dug that day, has simply grown into the fkn great crater that is is now.
[B] Your tale about speculation. I haven't had to speculate above at all. And you appear so, so, desperate to defend everything that you believe to be a myth. Or have you also forgotten this comment>>
[C] "It
my subjective position that evolution proves god is a myth. [..................] then obviously he does not exist". #11 "and wish the "myth to be cancelled"#18
and you are also forgetting this too>>
[D]" I don't believe that goldilocks is real either but I can attempt to speculate about the prince that saves her or the type of hair she has". #9
NOT IF THE STORY TELLS YOU THE "TYPE HER HAIR" she had you can't. THAT is how fkn dense you are.
Hypocrite!
See [A], [B], [C] and [D] above. dimtim.
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
Let the readers make their own minds up about whether I have answered or not.
I have and you haven't. Once you have painted yourself into a biblical tight corner... you take sick leave.
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@Timid8967
I know you are a fraud. This is why I will challenge you. You are a theist. You are not an atheist. Perhaps you are a member of the LDS? You seem to have similar views.
Opinion and please stay on topic.
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,In addressing your REVEALING post #5, Timid is as biblically dumbfounded as Tradesecret!!! Coincidence?
No, Brother, this is no coincidence , as many here know perfectly well, its just that many won't admit it it.
In any event, both are easily made the fools that they are relative to their positions,
Matthew 17:12. The Bible says: "But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist".Stephen wrote: John the Baptist denies this claim made on his behalf:John 1:21 The bible says:They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”He said, “I am not.”“Are you the Prophet?”He answered, “No.”Dimtim responded: Sorry old chap. Why are you adding your speculations? Nowhere in those passages does John deny the claim made by Jesus.
This^^^^ shows the density of a brain in pure denial not to mention that it comes from someone that believes - "Christianity to be a danger to our future and our children and wants to see the bible burned ". The bible passage clearly shows John the baptist denying that he is neither the Prophet or Elijah. And sometimes I wonder is it really worth exchanging and or and arguing with such a brain?
But I will say it again. I find it awful strange that I would be challenged at all on my opinions and beliefs about the unreliability of the scriptures by someone who has proclaimed from the roof-tops that he is anti religion everything!!? Don't you, Brother D?
therefore it is surprising that they still remain upon this forum, priceless. :(
I honestly believe they are allowed to remain for entertainment value only. And complaining and flagging them is a complete and utter waste of time for the best part.
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,Timid certainly goes to the extremes in being an "alleged" Atheist to try and prove you wrong with your anti-Bible statements!
Indeed Brother. Dimtim just cannot help show his true colours in defending the bible that he will have us believe he is totally averse to, believes to be dangerous, believes to be a myth and believes that it should be burned and eradicated for the face of the earth.
Do you know, Brother, that he is so anti bible that he once told me that he "wished" that I "was more agreeable with it"!!!?
Here> " you present an intriguing thesis.I just wish it would be clearer. More defined. More
easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ?
What an extraordinary thing to say to someone that has highlighted the many flaws, contradictions and anomalies in a book that he wants to see burned and agrees is all a mythical story anyway? And also to say this to someone that agrees with almost everything he has to say about the Christians holy scriptures!!!!
Did he slip upon his Freudian again? Whoops! LOL
When doesn't he? He simply forgets which face he has on at any given time too. He doesn't understand international time lines either you see, Brother.
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@Timid8967
Polytheist-Witch wrote: DNA pretty much says that's not the case. I do not have a single drop of Jewish DNA in me. Adam and Eve, are not my ancestors.Dimtim wrote: Since the temple was destroyed with its ancestral records , the Jews do not have proof of who is Jewish or not.
Then you have never read a single word of the Jewish historian Josephus, who was there at the time...….. and you wasn't.
"Titus
Caesar persuaded me frequently to take whatsoever I would of the
ruins of my country; and did that he gave me leave so to do. But when
my country was destroyed, I thought nothing else to be of any value,
which I could take and keep as a comfort under my calamities; so I
made this request to Titus, that my family might have their liberty:
I had also the holy books by
Titus's concession".
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@Bones
If the core beliefs of Islam were truly peaceful, then Islam extremists should be extremely peaceful.
Couldn't have put that better myself, Bones.
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@Timid8967
Hitler's grandmother apparently was partially of Jewish descent.
But do you believe that?
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@Timid8967
Matthew 12:40" For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".From this instance, we are to assume that Jesus was talking about being dead when he was placed in the tomb before rising after three days. But Jonah wasn't dead as we are to believe Jesus was when Jonah is said to have been swallowed by a "huge fish". Indeed Jonah was quite well and alive all the time and appears to have been quite happy during his time in the gut of this "huge fish" happily praying before being vomited out onto dry land. Jonah 2:1-10Does this then mean that Jesus also was not dead when he was placed in a rich man's private burial tomb by his other secret disciple , Joseph of Arimathea?Who said Jonah was not dead in the fish?
The apparently "flawless" bible said , unless Jonah was praying while stone cold dead and rotting in the gut of this "huge fish".. The same book that you claim to have only read once and dismissed as "myth".
Do you not believe that Jonah was swallowed by a "huge fish" then, dimtim?
but even if he was alive, nowhere in the passage does it say Jonah was dead.
I know. That is why I highlighted the BIBLICAL fact that in comparison to Jesus supposedly being dead makes no sense, does it , dimtim? But maybe it would if Jesus was alive in his tomb as Jonah was in the "huge fish"?
Are you adding words again Stephen. Surely not!
Nope.
Can you explain why this story of Jonah - whether he was alive or not tells us anything about whether Jesus was dead or alive?
Can you explain why Jesus himself referenced and compared HIMSELF to Jonah who being clearly alive, to the biblical fact that Jesus is said to be dead in his tomb for three days: Of course you can't.
here's the verse read it slow, dimtim.
Matthew 12:40" For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".
You see, Jesus mentions nothing of himself being dead either,does he? In fact, Jesus is indicating that he will be very much alive as Jonah clearly was.
I Prove it.
I have done so above, you clown.
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@Intelligence_06
incels
I am happily married with 6 adult children and lots of lovely grandchildren, thank you very much.
And this thread appears to be a legitimate response to a rule breaking call-out thread made by a Muslim. Here>>>https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6373-challenge-to-brotherdthomas
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@Timid8967
Since the temple was destroyed with its ancestral records , the Jews do not have proof of who is Jewish or not.
Then you have never read a single word of the Jewish historian Josephus, who was there at the time...….. and you wasn't.
the Jews do not have proof of who is Jewish or not.
And you have some solid proof to support that claim, we take it?
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Matthew 17:12-13
"But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist".
John the Baptist denies this claim made on his behalf:
John 1:21
They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”He said, “I am not.”“Are you the Prophet?”He answered, “No.”
John 16:33
“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
We take this to mean that Jesus brings peace to the world. But then we read:
Luke 12:51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
Matthews gospel presses the point further, when we read:
Matthew 10:34-36
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn“‘a man against his father,a daughter against her mother,a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
Matthew 26:62-64
62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent.The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”.
Caiaphas died.
Matthew 12:40
" For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".
From this instance, we are to assume that Jesus was talking about being dead when he was placed in the tomb before rising after three days. But Jonah wasn't dead as we are to believe Jesus was when Jonah is said to have been swallowed by a "huge fish". Indeed Jonah was quite well and alive all the time and appears to have been quite happy during his time in the gut of this "huge fish" happily praying before being vomited out onto dry land. Jonah 2:1-10
Does this then mean that Jesus also was not dead when he was placed in a rich man's private burial tomb by his other secret disciple , Joseph of Arimathea?
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@rosends
For a little clarification
That's what sprang to mind when Dimtim spoke of "British Israel". Thank you Rosi.
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England’s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold:
Bring me my arrows of desire:
Bring me my spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire.
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land.
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@drlebronski
Im aware but hes calling muslims hellbound and clearly being anti-muslim just because of their countries laws.
He calls everyone including me "hell bound". Isn't he entitled to an opinion where you come from? And lets be honest, many Muslims believe anyone that is not Muslim to be worthy of death if they do not convert. Just sit back and watch how the Taliban quickly revert the country back to complete and total sharia law now that western forces have withdrew. The bloodshed will not stop.
And if there is a hell, I am sure my place is reserved at the top table as I don't believe much of the Christian scriptures and the myth that has been wrapped around a man that believed himself to be king of the Jews.
But let us not derail this thread just because someone has a different opinion than you or they.
Can you defend the Muslim faith and its vile dictates and sexual abuse against, and of, women and babies?
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@Tradesecret
I am about at least once a week.
It is nice that you can afford us one single minute of your time considering your so, so heavy work load, on top of family and the farm. I am sure it is appreciated and welcomed.... by some, Reverend.
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@drlebronski
wtf is this?
Doesn't the OP make it clear enough for you? It is titled and challenges those of the Islamic faith to;
" TRY TO DEFEND ISLAM AGAINST WOMEN"!
It all about how Islam allows the sexual abuse of women …..and babies.
Woman, 19, is sentenced to death by stoning for adultery after she was 'raped at gunpoint by her cousin' in Pakistan
- Woman, 19, claims she was raped in her family home at gunpoint by her cousin
- She reported crime to tribal court, but it ruled she had intentionally seduced him
- Court, which included alleged rapist's father, then sentenced her to death
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@Timid8967
Oh dear me. You have simply reposted the same links to my threads when there are at least 80 others that you could have chosen from my large catalogue of over 90 threads scrutinising and questioning the bible.
You seem very annoyed that I question and scrutinise the bible I must say. Why is that?
But once again I thank you for highlighting my threads that go some way- a long way - into showing the scriptures to be the unreliable, ambiguous anomalous half stories that both you and I believe them to be.
What we have in common is quite unbelievable really, did you know that;
Just like you I too believe the New Testament Jesus story to be mythical. #16
Just like you I too believe history shows how dangerous Christianity has been. #153
Just like you I don't believe a dead rotting and stink days old corpse came back to life again. #101
Just like you I don't believe in a person/god with supernatural powers #274
Just like you I agree that there is a weirdness to the christian beliefs even today#141
Just like you I agree that the story of Noah's flood simply doesn't stand up to the lightest of scrutiny #14
Just like you I agree that Tradesecret shows serious signs of delusion #20 ( I mean, with the work load he claims to have, there must be billions of hours in a day where he comes from).
So clearly, you hold many of the beliefs that I do.
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I see. Thank you.
It reminds me of the Englishman William Blake's poem - Jerusalem- that starts with the line "And did those feet in ancient time" and finishes with " until we have built Jerusalem, on England's green and pleasant land". Quite interesting when you read the poem in full. I believe a hymn was adapted from it.
Who knows? Maybe worth studying. There may be a little truth to it , or non at all. Just like the scriptures.
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Stephen you are again proving you are a liar. You don't want to prove the bible right.
I do. Or wrong. Which - ever the case may be. But I agree, there isn't much I can prove right so far. And I am beginning to agree more and more with you by the day. But I am not ready to dismiss it out of hand completely as you have done. Or do I wish to see it destroyed either as you do.
But I thank you once again for highlighting my threads that go into some depth into exposing these unreliable, anomalous and ambiguous nature of the scriptures that expose the "myth " that has been wrapped around a real human man that believed himself to be a King of the Jews(not Christians) and believed by others to be a "son of god".
It is amazing really how many opinions and beliefs that you and I have in common concerning the unreliability of these scriptures isn't it, Dimtim?
Take a look:
Just like you I too believe the New Testament Jesus story to be
mythical. #16
Just
like you I too believe history shows how dangerous Christianity
has been. #153
Just
like you I don't believe a dead rotting and stink days old corpse
came back to life again. #101
Just
like you I don't believe in a person/god with supernatural
powers #274
Just
like you I agree that there is a weirdness to the christian beliefs
even today#141
Just
like you I agree that the story of Noah's flood simply doesn't stand
up to the lightest of scrutiny #14
Just like you I agree that Tradesecret shows serious signs of delusion #20 ( I mean, with the work load he claims to have, there must be billions of hours in a day where he comes from).
So clearly, you hold many of the beliefs as I do.
Could you please take the time to highlight a few more of my threads that go some way to proving what both you and I actually do believe in.
Thanks again. Your efforts on my behalf are commendable. Please keep it up.
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@Timid8967
british israel.What is?Really? In this topic - you read it - and the only person you focus on is me? Seriously!!!!!
Seriously, yes.I honestly do not understand what you mean by "British Israel"? Are you a British Israeli? Are you a Jew/Israeli born in Britain? What do you mean by "British Israel"? Or do you refer to something completely different?
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@Timid8967
To believe in what you cannot see or touch is not to difficult. We cannot see wind or air, yet we know it is there.
That's because we have more senses other than the two you mention. And touch is to feel hence we know there is wind. I have felt the wind on my face. I have seen birds fly and glide on the wind. But obviously you haven't.
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Well. Like I have already explained over and over to the cretinous such as yourself, those questions and or critiques in those links to threads of mine and that you have so kindly highlighted for me, are there for anyone to challenge should they have mind to do so..Well I am going to keep highlighting them -
Good. I appreciate it. Thank you.
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@Timid8967
you just want to prove them wrong.Or right. SO!?
That is correct. I will either prove these gospels to be wrong or right.. Unlike yourself that has simply dismissed the whole christian holy book after just one reading and wishes to see it " burned on on a book pile".
Dimtim wrote: "I
think the best place for the bible is on a burning pile of books". #8
because you say;
Dimtim wrote: " It
is tenor of the bible as an entirety that gives me reason for it be
destroyed". #14
At least I have taken the effort to see what is WRONG or RIGHT about these unreliable ambiguous and unreliable scriptures. Where as you simply tell us that you want it eradicated from the face of the earth because you believe it and Christianity to be dangerous to have future :
Dimtim wrote: "Do
you have any conception of how dangerous religion is and in
particular christianity? #153
I don't accept the bible as it has come down to us - The New Testament in particular. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40883
Correct. I do not. As I have stated many times.
So stop lying. You know that I am slowly chipping away at the lies and deceit in these scriptures and you and the others cannot face it. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3347/post-links/146097
Correct again.
So then the bible is wrong. Which in turn throws more heavy doubt onto the whole of the English version of the scriptures. Bringing them into serious question and dispute https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216/post-links/176518
Correct again ; someone did throw more heavy doubt onto the scriptures#42 There - by adding to the evidence that the bible is unreliable as any type of source.
None of the gospel authors can be "trusted". https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4099/post-links/170735
Correct again. As you have said yourself many times. The bible is "unreliable" and no one even knows who the authors actually are.
No. What I do is up to me. Which is that I highlight, scrutinize and question these unreliable , ambiguous biblical half stories. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4199/post-links/173452
Correct again.
When one takes the time to pick at these scriptures with a clear and critical eye it is not hard to spot the flaws, as I have shown above and on many other threads. . https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/475/post-links/20928
Correct again. Would you like more examples of the many flaws that make up the unreliable scriptures that you want to see eradicate from the face of the earth?
No. I know they do contradict one another , REGARDLESS of what I may or may not think. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236/post-links/136505
Absolutely correct. As the link clearly explains ; One gospeller writes that the women didn't tell anyone what it was they had witnessed at the empty tomb and gives a reason why they didn't. Yet two other gospellers claim that they did speak of their experience. would you like me to highlight those contradictory verse for you, Dimtim?
It is as YOU SAY:
Dimtim wrote: " It
is quite confusing and to me contradictory". #186
And I totally agree with you Dim.
It is up to those who don't believe these scriptures to break this story down and expose it for what it is: false certainly in part.. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/23566
Correct again. the scriptures are clearly and certainly false in part, as you yourself have attested to: here>.
Dimtim wrote: " It
is quite confusing and to me contradictory". #186
I don't believe the scriptures are telling the whole truth. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1495/post-links/63120
Correct. I don't. And neither do you.
Please note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is the scriptures I dispute,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and the New Testament in particular because it is a nonsense the way it has come down to us and more of a nonsense they way it has been taught to us by bible thumping hypocrites https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40606
Yep, correct again. And I ask you, can you believe it in the way it has been taught to us by bible thumping hypocrites? Well no you can't can you. ?
You happen to believe that Christians are "weird" and pointed directly to two members here that you have regarded as - "deluded" and nuts".
Dimtim wrote: "PGA2.0 or trade are as bitter as you. Even if they are both a
bit nuts in their religious points of view. They
are both deluded in their positions - but so are you" #20 - "
No wonder we see so much weirdness in the Christian movement. "#141
Now., DImtim; would you like to stay on topic or would you rather discuss with me how correct , consistent and agreeable with you I am where the unreliability of and contradictory nature of the bible is concerned and I have been since joining the forum here or do you want to keep highlighting on my behalf , all of my threads that go a long way to showing how unreliable, inconsistent anomalous and ambiguous these gospels really are?
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@Timid8967
I am not an atheist https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/811/post-links/36386
Correct. As the link explains:
I am not an atheist in the sense that I believe that more than one - so called -god was worshipped at any given time by the ancients and Christians do not.
So I would say that actually makes me a theisthttps://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/927/post-links/41322
Correct. As the link explains:
In the sense that I do believe that these LORDS existed.
I am not a believer. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1985/post-links/86718
Correct.
As the link explains:
" I am not a believer but I believe I have better explanations for most of the ambiguous, enigmatic half stories that make up the NT scripture than those that claim to be faithful followers of The Christ and the scriptures".
I am not sure how someone such as yourself would describe me.https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236/post-links/136488
Correct. As the link clearly explains my position:
Brother D Thomas said " As you being an Atheist",
I replied:
[A] " I happen to believe these scriptures and believe all these biblical characters existed. I look at them in an historical sense and don't have a 'religious' bone in my body. I believe these scriptures are trying to tell us something , I also believe they are also hiding something. I believe there is a truer story below the surface of these scriptures that, for whatever reason simply couldn't be told openly at the time. For example, from my own research and understanding, I have good reason to believe the Baptist and Jesus were half brothers and serious rivals. I believe Jesus had a hand in the baptists death".
I do marvel at times about you theists. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3564/post-links/152455
Correct:
And I do still marvel at theists. And as the link clearly explains my position why:
"I do marvel at times about you theists. You appear to feel that you are in the position where you can tell the atheist to prove for you that there is or isn't a god. And that an atheist has to prove for you the bible to be correct or incorrect forgetting all the time that it is YOU the theist and the bible that is making all the claims.
You and your flock are claiming the bible is truth. "What is truth" ? asked Pilate
"The myth of Christ has served us well" . said Pope Leo X
Theists write and speak as if they existed or still exist. It is up to the atheist them, should he wish to , to challenge what it is that these sycophantic fawning theist actually believe in . https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4023/post-links/168480
Correct again. As the link explains;
"It is my contention that these subjects should be discussed weather or not one believes "gods" existed or not. The point you are missing is that millions of people over millions of years have worshiped these beings in one form or another and millions simply do not believe as such but it doesn't stop them discussing these subjects. Theists write and speak as if they existed or still exist. It is up to the atheist then, should he wish to , to challenge what it is that these sycophantic fawning theist actually believe in" .
I have no religious beliefs. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4120/post-links/170929
Correct again: as the link explains:
"Don't think for a second that I hold the same religious beliefs as the Brother, because you wouldn't be more wrong. I have no religious beliefs. The Brother just happens to believe what the bible ACTUALLY says without room for misinterpretation or misunderstanding. He is honest about his god and scriptures yet he is forever being mocked for his honesty and how he presents the scripture. At least he doesn't BARE FACE LIE about what the scripture actually states".
The atheist isn't making the claims., what the atheist/me does is question the claims made by Christians and you have either to explain them ( not to be confused with explain them AWAY) with logical fact or you simply ignore me and go away, that is your responsibility and you owe it to your faith. I don't have to explain a damn thing, at all. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4199/post-links/173452
Correct. The link explains my position and I stand by that statement. And it is something I am sure you believe too.
But I am not in the slightest a religious person, which helps. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216/post-links/175790
Correct again: the link explains my position perfectly:
RationalMadman wrote: "I know it a lot but not entirely, don't want to waste my life on a fictional tale".
And I replied:
"I can't say I blame you. It is a long slog (years in fact) and it will engulf you if you let it because it has so many strands and stories withing stories. I'm lucky, I happen to love the subject and wallow in it. But I am not in the slightest a religious person, which helps.
Mind how you go".
I am the atheist not you. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5246/post-links/229552
Correct: As the link explains:
Tradesecret wrote: "you continue to live in a la la fantasy world where you think your interpretation is the ONLY one possible2.
I replied;
"No, that will be YOU CHRISTIANS that has done exactly that for over 2,000 years. I can always change my ideas and opinions on the scriptures. I am the atheist not you". And I am sure that you can agree with that to, Dimtim.
I don't know how many times will take for you to understand my position of the scriptures, Dimtim , so I will simply refer you to [A] above AGAIN!
Can you please tell the forum whether you are an atheist, not an atheist, not a believer, a theist, or a liar or a fraud? Or perhaps you really are just confused?
Please read - and take in - all of the above. I think that you will find that you agree with most of what I have said if your anti everything religion isn't fake?
So. Off you trot, princess.
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@BrotherDThomas
As usual, the alleged gospel writers were moved by the spirit of Jesus to actually come forth with what Jesus said,
Its a shame they just didn't come right out and say that it was the "holy spirit" informed them, isn't it?
or what they wanted Him to say, in the instances that you are questioning.
Yes, putting words into the mouth of the Christ. Nothing new there then.
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@Bones
Honest opinions about religion
Religion is for those that count themselves to be religious. Which I am not.
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@BrotherDThomas
You have to admit that TRADESECRET in their post #226 upon this page was one of the most embarrassing and memorable posts he/she/unknown ever made on this forum in calling me the master of running,
I am not too sure about that, Brother. This will take some beating;
@Tradesecret wrote: I can't seem to recall where Lot was ever held up as a paragon of virtue or righteousness.Can you think of anywhere in the Scriptures where Lot is help up as being a model for Jews or for Christians? I can't and I would never hold him up as so.Stephen wrote:Yes I can, Reverend2 Peter 2:7 "and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless" . #8
This from the man that claims to charging universities to tutor and lecture their students. You couldn't make it up, Brother. You really couldn't.
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@Timid8967
You give the impression in your posts that we are on the same page
Well. Like I have already explained over and over to the cretinous such as yourself, those questions and or critiques in those links to threads of mine and that you have so kindly highlighted for me, are there for anyone to challenge should they have mind to do so..
Whatever god or [lords] you believe in - they are still figments in your little mind.
Lords!! " What ever" lords, I believe the ancients worshipped. And your opinion of me doesn't count for jack!
The contradictions prove you are false. Just like the half truths in the bible. One rule for all. Let's have some consistency, please.I am the atheist not you. [A] " I happen to believe these scriptures and believe all these biblical characters existed. I look at them in an historical sense and don't have a 'religious' bone in my body. I believe these scriptures are trying to tell us something , I also believe they are also hiding something. I believe there is a truer story below the surface of these scriptures that, for whatever reason simply couldn't be told openly at the time. For example, from my own research and understanding, I have good reason to believe the Baptist and Jesus were half brothers and serious rivals. I believe Jesus had a hand in the baptists death". .https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236/post-links/136488That is pretty clear.
Good.
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