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@Lunatic
Yea but look at his justification, beautiful scenery but gets slept on due to its people, therefore Miller
Idaho has beautiful scenery but is boring, therefore Vanilla
Mine is beautiful scenery to negative connotation, therefore based on negative connotation
Yours is positive connotation only and role that is based on that
If I am wrong, you can have at it with me in the DP. Croc's carelessness and misunderstand is town from him IMO
Idaho has beautiful scenery but is boring, therefore Vanilla
Mine is beautiful scenery to negative connotation, therefore based on negative connotation
Yours is positive connotation only and role that is based on that
If I am wrong, you can have at it with me in the DP. Croc's carelessness and misunderstand is town from him IMO
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if this theory turns out to be true, I am going to only eat Sausage McMuffins when playing mafia
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@Barney
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Yep I have a theory
Looking at the claims given, none of what I see were inherently positive claims. Mine has a positive to negative connotation. It seems like Lunatic's is all positive. That seems to be the case with Water's and Croc's justification as well, a positive but followed by a negative. I notice when Lunatic claimed, he seemed to only have a positive connotation to the role itself.
Also let's look at the claim. He claimed a Beloved Princess. This is a way so he doesn't get lynched during the DP, to draw a lynch away from him, so he can have a NP action during the night.
Also look. The negative connotation is what the role is based on for me, Water, and Croc. It seems that Lunatic's is off the positive. According to Croc, the state is boring, so he is a no role (which I'm assuming is Vanilla)
I think Lunatic is scum. If I didn't get it right, you can go at it. But I think I am
VTL Lunatic
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Wait
Unvote
I'm having a revelation moment while eating a Sausage McMuffin
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@warren42
I never say I put weight in what you say. I just said you are more likely to stir paranoia because people like Pie and some noobs are more willing to buy what you say
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@Speedrace
That's such a high risk gambit though, especially in a game like this where moderator can intervene and stir paranoia.
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@Speedrace
I'm really doubting he wanted to get CC'd. He didn't claim right away, and the odds of being CC'd are as follows. In a 12 players game with 49 states to choose from as a fake claim, the odds of getting a CC are only a little over 25%. As a Joker, those are horrible odds to take
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@Barney
I think he's only played once as scum, under the direction of Speed and oromagi, two of the best mafia players on the site.
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@Barney
I agree. But it might be more difficult for a typical user to push through depending on the circumstances.
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@Speedrace
No because the odds of him picking Idaho and being CC’d and him knowing he’s Idaho. The odds of this happening are so low at this point. He could also me a vanilla
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@Lunatic
Claiming miller as scum isn’t a big time strategy if you make a viable claim
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@RationalMadman
You know you can always be open to talk to me if you want. I know you aren’t fond of me, but you can always talk to me. I’m not closing my doors to you because of this ban
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@Lunatic
I was catching up or didn't see. I commented later. It was probably when it was 12am
And no, but I don't rule it out. Water is a noob. He could be doing that strategy
And no, but I don't rule it out. Water is a noob. He could be doing that strategy
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@oromagi
Basically. A derecho is a long storm with high winds that produce vortex's at the front (gusts up to 100+ MPH) with a back tail of rain and strong winds
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@warren42
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I should be good. The derecho has passed me
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@ILikePie5
Yea I'm not willing to believe what Warren says much overall. I've said this, but I'm not gonna gamble on a 50/50 bastard or bullshit. Unless there is behavior analysis to support it, it isn't something I look into
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Good point. He seems to very set on finding a theme and determining a theme from posts. Don't read much into it, but you have a good point
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@RationalMadman
Like I said, I don't know every little thing about the verdict (eg; multi, impersonating). All I know is the doxx (which is a viable for ban due to the threat of it) and the whole issue
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@thett3
This isn't against the rules just because it annoys you
Targeted harassment of any member prohibited, as is inciting others to do so at your behest. This includes wishing or hoping that someone and/or their loved ones experiences physical harm.
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Wrong
A recent example of targeted harassment against voters: complaining with obscenities and drama that someone's vote was not automatically deleted for being against him. This further doubles as low level vote tampering, via informing any other potential voters what to expect if voting against him; while insisting in the vote request thread that they've troll voted (implying it needs a counter vote in his favor, when their questionable vote already is) https://www.debateart.com/debates/2114/comment_links/28755 (note, this was posted within minutes of the vote in question, denying any possibly for the admin team to review and delete it).People complain about votes all the time. He has a flair for the dramatic,so what
Fair enough
A recent example of targeted harassment via the forms: Derailing a thread with insults rising to the level of extravagant made up stories about users (if not lying, it's doxxing to have spied on them braiding their hair and giving each other manicures) basically because they play board games without you. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4593/post-links/191128Same thread: Threatening to ban someone, which is impersonating moderation. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4593/post-links/191181"Impersonating moderation" lol
I've gotten banned for this too. I think it's bullshit, but it's a rule
Accusing another member of getting a cut from a gofundme which you insist was a scam: This raises the seriousness, as it's accusing a third party of criminal activity. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4593/post-links/191270GTFO of here. It looks like the post was deleted but he's entitled to have his conspiracy theory about an event that happened like six years ago. Mikal is not in any legal danger due to this post, the way you've worded it is incredibly dramatic
Targeted harassment
"Multi-accounting and any action indistinguishable from it is prohibited."Technically forgiven, but still of note with recent complaints of it not being rewarded. Coordinating with someone for them to make fake accounts to give him a bunch of free wins, is still within the purview of this crime.I dont know the context of this, if true its worth of a ban, but you also say it has been forgiven? If it has it shouldn't be relevant
We were only lienant because of his activity. Users have been perma banned for doing this as well, we let RM off the hook.
"Doxing is strictly forbidden. Without their express permission, you may not post, threaten to post, nor encourage others to post, anyone’s private or identifying information no matter how it was obtained."Doxing another user: While this is from a while ago, it does feed into history of poor decisions, particularly as related to being fixated on certain people.I support a zero tolerance policy for actual Doxxing, but all he did here was threaten to Doxx someone (which he should not have done, either.) It's from October 2019, almost a year ago. It's not relevant to banning him now and shouldn't be considered
Yes it should. It was from a long list of things we were there that accumulated to a longer ban, so it can be in play. It has happened to me
TLDR this site barely exists anyway and Rationalmadman is a key member, if this is all you've got you're clearly banning him mostly because he annoys you and he's right that the "charges" in general are trumped up, and two months is way too long
tl;dr, most of what he did is breaking the rules of the site and some rules might need to be changed. regardless he broke the rules and his accumulation of breaking the rules led to 2 months
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@oromagi
It's hard to determine a theme analysis right now thought. I wouldn't focus too much until most people have char claimed
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@Lunatic
I'm not moderation so I can't say anything about that and who the target was lol, but a moderators job is to protect the user but allow an environment to debate and clash freely with mild restrictions. That's not my decision though to decide that info
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Still an FoS on Water, but I am not gonna pressure it at all looking at the info and the evidence
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Honestly I think having a Miller in a Bastard game makes sense. This would draw some confusion overall in the game and with this type of Bastard game, I think it is designed to set up paranoia. I'm more town reading Water now. I also think Lunatic's explanation of the justification makes sense now I read it. I still don't get it, but ehhh. I'm trying hard not to read into justifications and how strong their link are
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@RationalMadman
RM, I can't speak on the other moderators, but to let you know, I have access to some chats due to my position as a Discord Mod. I wouldn't even call it a position anymore since it is inactive and the Discord now has no connection to the site due to the publication of it, I will say a couple of things from what I saw. No offense to thett3 & Lunatic (I respect them a lot and value their opinions(I also consider Lunatic a friend)), there's a lot of stuff they do not have access to. There were times that could have acted on but decided not to due to the sole reason that you are a key member of the site. In fact I have been wrongly banned more times than you have, but I am not going to make this a pity party about me.
This ban is a culmination of certain events that occurred where we were close to pulling the trigger, but never did. With your confrontation, you specifically created a post to attract attention and went after site members such as Lunatic. I did not make a decision on this behavioral, but it warranted some action. Then your call to out more into to damage another persons reputation is harassment and it is targeted. This was a key factor in playing into your ban.
That led us to reevaluate the warns we had and we shown our weaknesses we had when dealing with your ban. We felt that these incident could combine for a longer ban overall.
I was unaware of the stuff only accessible to mods, so I have no clue and won't comment.
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@Lunatic
If I ever become mod. I am doing a mass reform of banning. While I think 2 months is actually adequate IMO, there are some rules in the CoC I’d change
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@Imabench
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@Speedrace
I believe Water due to the mere fact I believe this is just Water's lack of experience playing Miller and his justification for role being kinda sketchy because my role PM is the same way. But his PM is so sketchy so IDRK how to make, he's an FoS right now
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@oromagi
Depending on the theming, Nevada could be scum, but at this point we have no way of determining theme
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@Crocodile
You have a basic understanding of the game to be able to participate in bigger games. You need to just get better and take advice from higher ups. That's what I did
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3 people interested right now...we will await for some more members
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@BearMan
Foolish you are. I don't want to dive into the history of RM, since he has changed, but on DDO, he did that stuff, but hasn't on DART
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@RationalMadman
You gonna forget about the time you threatened to doxx Ramshutu because you didn't like him, and claimed you knew all about him?
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Actually lol I kinda dislike waters claim a lot because he didn’t immediately claim the SOP. He went to char then affiliation. I don’t like that, he’s slight scum
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I meant “troll” instead of good. Disc is a bit of a troller as seen from personality. I don’t think his VTL is serious on me
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Disc is a town read. He’s doing it as a good, as I said in Sign UPS, I have a problem with people blindly following Warren
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I null Watee off the claim. My role PM was the same kind of shotty that Waters is. But I don’t get why Utah is being slept on is my concern. FoS on Water
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@warren42
Yes I know, but you also could be lying. I’m just saying
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A reminder to the noobs that Warren is commentating in this game, so he may or may not be telling the truth for whatever he says. If people take what he says literally I’m gonna lose it lol
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