Instigator / Pro
2
1417
rating
158
debates
32.59%
won
Topic
#2239

seldiora is a bad debater

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
0
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
1

After 1 vote and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
7
1731
rating
167
debates
73.05%
won
Description

seldiora: me

debater: someone who argues over something, especially with other people

bad: of low quality, of having weak arguments

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@Intelligence_06

Why are you like this

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@MisterChris

That is no paradox. If Oro wins against RM, then that does not make RM bad.

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@Intelligence_06

It's a paradox, similar to "This sentence is false."

If CON wins, then that means the resolution is true- Seldiora is a bad debater because he lost. So by you winning, PRO's argument is ironically proven!

At the same time, if PRO wins, that means that he is NOT a bad debater because he won... and in turn, he has proven you correct.

You've created a paradox!

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@MisterChris

wait what did Jrob say? I don't understand.

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@JRob

Anyway, welcome to the site.

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@JRob

Intel takes everything very literally, he doesn't joke very often. I've gotten used to it

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@TNBinc

Much better!

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@Barney

Would my new RFD be better than the old one?

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@TNBinc

You may revote. Sorry, I got distracted and did not take the old one down.

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@Barney

Am I able to modify my RFD?

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@TNBinc

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>Reported Vote: TNBinc // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: temporarily disabled
>Reason for Decision: See Comments Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:

In essence, this vote was just too vague... This can be avoided in future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading.

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(3) explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall were notably superior to the other's.
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TNBinc
Added: 2 hours ago
#1
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better spelling and grammar
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
RFD in the comments

https://www.debateart.com/debates/2239-seldiora-is-a-bad-debater?open_tab=comments&comments_page=1&comment_number=12

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@seldiora
@Intelligence_06

Argument- Con fufilled BoP better than Pro. Con also backs up his evidence with reasoning.

Sources- Con used many sources whereas Pro used none.

Grammar and Conduct- both did well, no forefit.

A thousand apologies for pointing out something mildly humorous. I'll remember to be quiet next time.

The only judge is how good his arguments are. Oromagi can beat RM but that means not that RM is bad.

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@JRob

Well no. I have proven since I am literally in the top ten so even if I defeats him he wouldn't be considered "bad" because he could literally be 12th. and not trying

I'm unsure if this is debate is in jest - though technically if Con wins, Pro wins by virtue of proof. And if Pro wins, Con wins by virtue of proof.

I know this isn't completely true but the irony of this is bringing me to tears laughing.

bump//

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@Intelligence_06

Very good job with this one

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@Barney

Opinions?

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@seldiora

Don't degrade yourself. You are actually a very great debater.

This is so hard to debate. Like extremely hard. It is frying my brains lol.

arguing about why you're bad. Now that is what I call non-traditional debating.

You're not bad at all. I think if you continue to debate and hone your debate style you would be quite good, honestly. Plus, you concede instead of forfeiting, which I always respect.

If I were you, I would start using the grammar tools to organize my arguments. You can take a look at our debate together to see how it helps. I would also give observations before every round. I leveraged them to my advantage in our debate as well.

Lastly, make sure you do not drop any arguments. That's something that hurt you when we debated.