Instigator / Pro
53
1587
rating
182
debates
55.77%
won
Topic
#4604

Rap Battle: Sir.Lancelot vs RationalMadman

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
21
15
Better sources
16
8
Better legibility
8
4
Better conduct
8
5

After 11 votes and with 21 points ahead, the winner is...

Sir.Lancelot
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Rated
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,500
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Minimal rating
1,750
Contender / Con
32
1709
rating
564
debates
68.17%
won
Description

(RationalMadman: You aint on my level. We never rap battled as each other, btw. Try it.)

Okay, deal.
------------------

This will be a No-Hold's Barred.

To avoid any errors or confusion, there will be rules and a framework set-up for voters.
Above all else, anyone can vote. But read the rules with careful consideration.

Rules:

1. This is a No-Hold's Barred between both myself and Rational.

2. The actual track for music itself does not count as actual points. Meaning neither me nor Rational can be penalized for choosing a beat the voters do not approve of.

3. All 7 points are assigned to whoever you think won.

4. Voters are not expected to know much about rap, so here are the following qualities you will judge on for both rappers in your RFD.
(On a scale of 1-4)
Lyricism:
Flow:
Diss:
Rhyme:
You will be required to actually read the raps from both sides and analyze your favorite lines.

5. No troll votes or vote-bombing.
You are expected to read the entire rap battle to even be voting.

(Any changes can be made before the acceptance of the debate at the request of Con. No one else aside from RationalMadman can accept, unless stated otherwise by me in the Comments.)

I believe I’m perfect for this because I’ve also participated in competitive battle rap a few times in my local area.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

I’m skim-reading.

-->
@Boba_Tea

Do you want to vote on this?

-->
@Sting

If you read the new enforcement.. Really you would only be reporting yourself.
"Assigning nicknames that are meant to belittle or harass"

-->
@RationalMadman

Yeah. Hopefully ill get it done by this week.

-->
@Sting

Thanks for the vote!

Good luck with that

im reporting you for threatening me

-->
@Sting

I am done reacting. You poked the bear. Enjoy your time here.

-->
@RationalMadman

i can tell by your rapping that your new to rap and that’s ok

"You been here for half a decade, I been present for less than a year.
Already, I’m more popular than you. We call this the loot after the boss raid. "
Dogshit flow and rhyme scheme, lame landing of the punchline too.

How people call this good is beyond me.

-->
@Sting

When votebombing first realise my name isnt macman and that I am more knowledgeable of rap than Lancelot.

If you think there was no flow or roasting going on, you dont get it.

I literally turned his roasts against him, he spent more time quoting me and shit than actually rapping and it didnt rhyme other than the end of lines xD.

He was saying superficially nasty things, I was saying true shit that really sting as they are not me assuming things about him to diss.

It is you, not me, who doesnt know enough about rap.

Try high quality voting rather than high quantity voting when brand new here.

-->
@RationalMadman

he didn’t ask me to vote, im voting on everything i see

Make troll debates so some noob can votebomb for you nice one, only way you can win

-->
@Barney
@Bella3sp

Are you willing to vote here?

-->
@Sting

He only sweet talked you to get you to vote for him here lol

-->
@Lemming

Thanks for your vote!

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

Apologies, but honestly not interested in these rap battles. Got a lot going on outside DART at moment with chores, yard work and an 80s muscle car to work on. 🍻

I may suit drill more than I ever thought.

Honestly though my round 3 is fire as fuck, I am seriously proud of it. That is pure creativity meeting clinical rhyme scheme precision.

My Round 3 in this debate is one of the best series if bars I have ever written, imo.

-->
@Sidewalker

Fair enough.
Don't feel pressured to vote if it ain't your thing.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

I read it all and frankly, haven't got a clue as to how I would judge such a thing, I guess rap battles just aren't a thing I get.

-->
@Lemming

All good!
No rush at all.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

I think these should be videos instead of responses.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

It's on my to do list,
Higher up, due to time limit, is vote on one of Devon and Bella3sp's debates,
Also higher up is enjoy myself through food, reading comics, watching/Listening to YouTube,
Working and procrastinating on my video game, my writing, reading various threads,
Still, I fully intend to vote on this debate before it's timer runs out.

-->
@RationalMadman

No worries, the creator of this debate Lancelot said my vote is fine. Had I gone about it in the description with point system maybe it would've been a tie, or had you as winner or him as winner who knows but who cares. My vote is in. Calm down brotha 😒

-->
@Slainte

I might. I'm getting busy with debates and other personal stuff outside of this website, but i'll try to get to it before voting ends.

-->
@Public-Choice
@DavidAZ

Tagging you guys just incase you’re interested.

-->
@Ramshutu
@Lemming
@Sidewalker
@Mps1213
@TWS1405_2

Would you like to vote on this or would you prefer not to?

-->
@FishChaser

Removed by request

FishChaser
07.02.2023 07:57PM

#2
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
My voting structure:

Convincing arguments = diss quality/relevance

sources = rhyme/flow

legibility = wordplay

conduct = the opposite of what it usually means (bigger asshole wins)

Pro starts out brutal but without even rhyming his lines. If it wasn't such a vicious attack I would call it pathetic. He finally starts rhyming and the round one disses are good but how will things progress? With Rational pulling things like rhyming sidekick 30 lightyears away from "tried it" lol. Rational better be able to rap really fast with the way he writes but I'm not buying it.

From round one we can see that RM is clearly superior rhyme wise. He carries a rhyme scheme much further while staying relevant. In round two Lancelot continues not rhyming. I was less impressed (if you can call it "impressed" in the first place) with RM's round 2.

Then in round 3 Lancelot comes with a lot of meh-taphors and is much less brutal. RM attempts to clarify his flow, puns and rhymes but idk wtf kind of accent he must have to make some of that rhyme properly or what super-ingenious flow he's supposedly using.

I read the whole thing. Neither side made me want to side with them in the flamewar and neither side used good wordplay.

-->
@Slainte
@Sir.Lancelot
@Devon
@FishChaser

I structure some lines to be better when read in head than out loud (out loud lets you recycle rhymes at times and be lazier) but I admit something:

My round 1 beat did not suit the written rap. I didn't realise this consciously at that moment, as I was flowing it in my head, not out loud.

I also am struggling to alter my accent to suit what I write it to be read in as I don't have a very stereotypical American accent. I will work on it. Round 1 has some flow issues, I am realising the verse 1 requires a lot of chopper-delivery.

-->
@Slainte
@Devon
@FishChaser

I actually have some privacy irl to rap it out loud, I will use a voice changer and do it in a different accent to my own to show you how hard my rap flows. I will need some days to prove it to you.

-->
@Slainte

Can you show me any internal rhyming or multiple rhyming or impressive chain-rhymes beyond 3-4 lines maximum of the same scheme from Lancelot?

To say he had the best rhymes is an outright lie. like WHAT THE FUCK I had constant internal rhyming.

-->
@Devon

Would you consider it a tied battle or just gonna give it to lancelot? Why the fuck would I ask you to 'correct' your vote if it directly hurts me?

-->
@FishChaser

They are saying you are meant to give 7 points to the winner you chose. Did you decide on a winner to give all 7 points to?

-->
@Slainte
@Devon

You guys had great votes.

-->
@Slainte

category 1 is lyricism. thanks for admitting i had better lyrics. that was very reflected in your vote allocation.

-->
@Devon

I wasn't trying to call you out. I had to justify why I was giving SL a full 7 points. RM had better lyrics. And SL even warned in Round 4 that RM would have a problem with a negative vote. It was nothing on you, it was me trying to over-justify my vote. SL was correct. RM was not happy. Being judged is difficult. Judging is also difficult. I am sorry if you felt I called you out.

-->
@RationalMadman
@Slainte
@Sir.Lancelot

@Slainte
So I read your original vote "People don't know how to read" ignored at first because I thought to myself, I know they aren't referring to me and I'm trying to refrain from constantly getting into fights on here. Then you reiterated it in your comment "It is not my fault the others who gave votes could not read the instructions" I can most definitely read but I simply made a mistake and misunderstood because I'm so used to the rule of:
Arg: Lyricism
Sources: Flow
Legibility: Diss
Conduct: Rhyme
That's what I always use (instead of numeric scale) I've used this against me and RM's rap battles in the past and other battles I've had with other people in the past but it's different this debate. I honestly overlooked rule number 3 about the 7pts to the winner. Guess I skimmed and read too fast so that's my fault but Pro or Con didn't see an issue with my vote, they thanked me for it. I would tell them that I can re-do my vote but my vote is already in, I can't edit it. Lancelot never told me my voting method was wrong, unless he just ignored it and thought it was fine, but I would have edited and went by the rules.

Also if I were you I wouldn't even bother depending on Best Korea to vote as they are a troll. Won't even follow the rules and says both opponents suck and couldn't get past R1. But if Best Korea actually reads the WHOLE rap battle and follow the rules and properly vote then kudos.

RM I know you have me blocked, but would you like to attempt to redeem yourself against me in the debate I currently have open?

-->
@RationalMadman
@whiteflame
@Best.Korea
@Bella3sp
@DavidAZ

Clearly, I have upset one of the participants in this debate. I would appreciate some voting attention to this debate so that any error I made would be statistically rendered moot. And if not, I am happy that my interpretation is defendable.

RM, This is all I can do.

-->
@RationalMadman

There is a process to report votes that you think are not consistent with the Voting Policy. The rubric set was 1-4. There are only two people. So I can only compare them against each other. One or the other would get 4. I do feel bad that you do not like other people's genuine opinions.

-->
@Slainte

If you're actually unironically marking me based on Round 3 being counted as rapping before the rap, you're a troll.

You never explained it whatsoever. How is this joke against me getting 4/4? He is 4/4 rhyming? REALLY

We read different raps.

Idc anyway, it is becoming obvious to me people don't get how to read or measure things.

Those actually into rap called this tied or barely won by me, others are incapable of measuring it. This was a fruitless endeavour. I will just wait and see.

-->
@RationalMadman

Don't worry my friend. Others will either agree or disagree and you will be vindicated. I stated my opinion, and I justified it. It is not my fault the others who gave votes could not read the instructions. You will note one thing about me and that is I don't get into fights. As I said on a few of yours, you have great creativity and linguistic ability. It's just too complex to assemble in reading form, and I have said before that I have to reread your lines to try to make them make sense. That has no flow. That has no cadence. That is forcing me to try to make it work.

-->
@Slainte

how did he have 4/4 flow, rhyming and lyricism? Give me some idea how.

If I had commented the explanation in Round 3 people wouldn't be docking marks but less would see it? WTF?

When was that a rule, what the fuck.

-->
@Slainte

Wait you're actually docking marks to me for the Round 3 pre-rap explaining? You're actually doing that?

Show me the poor flow and poor cadence.

-->
@RationalMadman
@Sir.Lancelot

When you have to break the battle off to explain what you are doing, you lose all flow. Seriously, you stopped your battle to try to explain yourself. The rhymes are connected with flow, and a poor flow, with poor timing, that you yourself agreed to, results in a poor cadence. You did dominate with lyrics.

Votes are votes.

just nvm. There is absolutely no point in doing rap battles on this site. People can't understand skill when they see it.

This has been a problem before, now I am 100% sure its suboptimal to bother from here on out.