Rap Battle: Sir.Lancelot vs RationalMadman

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Description

(RationalMadman: You aint on my level. We never rap battled as each other, btw. Try it.)

Okay, deal.
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This will be a No-Hold's Barred.

To avoid any errors or confusion, there will be rules and a framework set-up for voters.
Above all else, anyone can vote. But read the rules with careful consideration.

Rules:

1. This is a No-Hold's Barred between both myself and Rational.

2. The actual track for music itself does not count as actual points. Meaning neither me nor Rational can be penalized for choosing a beat the voters do not approve of.

3. All 7 points are assigned to whoever you think won.

4. Voters are not expected to know much about rap, so here are the following qualities you will judge on for both rappers in your RFD.
(On a scale of 1-4)
Lyricism:
Flow:
Diss:
Rhyme:
You will be required to actually read the raps from both sides and analyze your favorite lines.

5. No troll votes or vote-bombing.
You are expected to read the entire rap battle to even be voting.

(Any changes can be made before the acceptance of the debate at the request of Con. No one else aside from RationalMadman can accept, unless stated otherwise by me in the Comments.)

Round 1

You called for me to unleash my wrath.

06.29.2023 05:26AM

Pro

(Theme Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnkHPvC81Q) (0:20)

Now it’s gonna be a fucking bloodbath.

And I’m mopping the floor with you.

Step to me for real, you wannabe cock-sucking cunt.

Let these words burn real deep, what you’re feeling is fear.

All traumatized, from that time you were licking my cum out your wife’s punani’s.

This nigga needa be lobotomized before he wets his panties.

Nah, I’m just playin’.

My opponent’s an autistic virgin.

With no real meaning or purpose.

Going headfirst into this merciless world,

Experiencing nothing but rejection.

My words will cut real deep.

Leave you lying, dying from an infection.

Guess nobody’s seeing you next Election.

This self-loathing loser needs to look at his reflection.

Because every word he says is projection.

He spent the last year sucking off the mod's balls.

Imagine bragging about trophies when your success is riding off everyone's coattails.

Like all the Traditional Beta Males.

Can call you DART’s Top 10 Biggest Fails.

Stop acting like a Top G

If anything, you’re a Bottom C.

Talking like you shag bitches when all you really do is simp for witches.

“Then they fucked me over twice in an election, then the owner returned to do the most shit update he could have to the rating system and cucked all us noobsnipers. It catapulted me to the ending you see now.” 1

Then leaving because of an update?

Could you be any more of a pussy, you fucking ingrate?

Go back to crying about how Mike took away your noob-sniping.

Ain’t enough tissues for the tears you’re gonna be wiping.

Then you want a challenge.

But you ain’t man enough to call me out directly.

So your first target is homie Space Cadet.

How do you even expect to "tame me?"

Hyping yourself up to have all this power.

When it turns out you’re just a timid, little coward.

Not like your balls gonna drop anytime soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJq1r6iwXXY

06.29.2023 06:28AM

Con

Thing is, to most, I get why you may well seem better,

Like a sweaty whale vs a whore, in the end the fat one's deemed wetter,

That's if the whore was with you, write that bitch an apology letter,

See, a real dominant man like me don't need the username to get her to beg Sir,

It's a metaphor, Lancelot, support character to this shit; I'm both protagonist and storyteller,

You see, I'm a real man with a thick dick aura, everything about me screams 'real gogetter',

But credit where it's due, word on the street's I need my dick while you indisputably wield a dildo better.

See, I could make some more shit up with vague disses that don't seem real, I feel ya,

I should shut up with the BS and get to pointing out how you're nothing more round here than an idea-stealer,

I mass-debated before you tried it, I said I'd make a new site on the Discord server like a couple weeks before you thought of doin' it yourself with some guy payin' 1K to be a Henchman's sidekick,

I don't know how exactly to put this to you but I'm DART's diva girlfriend, you're always only gonna be the side bitch,

You literally use disses I dished out to you to Badger, you genuinely get off on trying to do what I did,

I think sonning you's the totally wrong angle here, I'd never a raise a prick like you, punk, you aint my kid,

You're more like a little brother I'm not that bothered by your silly gimmicks following me around, it's cute and childish,

You try rated rap battles 'cause you liked my idea and I challenged you and you knew the last win wasn't real 'cause Bella held back a vote, you're easy to provoke and just can't hide it,

You run around trying to get under everyone's skin, but under yours is only trauma and overcompensation, my bad I already discussed my dick,

I got my debate count by genuinely efficient moves, you do troll debates for votes to undermine the system I protested and instead of fight it you gave up instantly and decided to act in bad faith and override it,

I can't make this finish without a metaphor so let me make this more clear; I'm the Batman Hussein Obama to your Joseph Robinette Biden.

Won't find proof for now only if needed later

(I can't be bothered to find proofs of some things but basically somewhere he started a site to replace DART, or said he will and apparently weaveroffate paid 1k to it)

The other thing is he told Badger that Badger is a simp for the popular guys and that is one of the earliest debate comments I gave to him after he clearly sided with Wylted in the election)

Round 2

06.29.2023 08:27AM

Pro

(Theme Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO7gwKcvC54)

“OMG Barney, you're such a manly man!! 😍😍😍”

“You are the most impressive debater ever! Let me put you on a pedestal so I get your autograph!”

When it comes to bootlicking, this little piggy gives VP Weasel a run for his money.

Always thought he could attract more flies with honey.

Imagine tryna act alpha but doing all that fangirling over Barney and blamonkey.

But you know what they say? If the shoe fits….

You called me a copycat. Oooooo.

If only you had the brilliance to come up with an idea worth stealing.

Not like you invented rap battles or mass debates.

Such a weird claim to make.

That only someone with profound delusion can create.

You’re not DART’s diva girlfriend. You’re DART’s genital yeast infection.

A parasite dick-riding all the fame and glory on a dead site.

That’s the only achievement you’ll ever make in life.

A secondary character nobody acknowledges.

You been here for half a decade, I been present for less than a year.

Already, I’m more popular than you. We call this the loot after the boss raid.

Nothing's blowing up with your phony-ass verbal grenade. Back to obscurity, you will fade.

The same troll debates I’m doing are to reverse the site changes you bitch about.

Stop bragging about your debate creds.

How is earning a spot in the Leaderboards by defeating noobs even a flex?

I’m so easy to provoke. Is that why you play victim every time and cry to the mods that I bully you?

Do you still consider yourself a man?

Everyone else sees you as a scared, little outcast.
Because you start fights and run fast.

Perhaps that dick you pretend to have is as inauthentic as the trans gender you obsess so much about.

Grow some testicular fortitude and try again.

06.30.2023 02:56AM

Con

Beat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMaaWAuQGm4

Transphobic when telling me my dick aint real, thats a cope,

Rope on my autistic incel neck as I snort that Round 1 BS and lose all hope,

As the old saying we know goes...

The ladies love a man who needs to cut a throat to feel GOAT...

Love a sycophant tryna mock his opponent showing love for Barney while having Whitesmoke and Shillton in a gangbang, all at once, stuffed piggy with a wilted chode down the throat...

Fucking fake-ass supporter backstabbing failed abortion, sorta dude who's only resource in a battle rap's telling his opponent to choke,

But you see that rope 'round my autistic neck that you disrespected's one that's been there when I've been lower than you'll ever have to go, build a moat,

King Arthur needs protection and you pushed the boat,

I'm a pirate, a ninja, samurai to your throat,

I put a leopard as my pic and you still god a crocodile preyin' on a cheetah, swallow bile while tryna spit ill, you're a joke!

What's coming now? Some more bout how I'm disliked?

I know, I'm a diva, got the pussy that's this tight,

That's why whiteflame reacts when I post, I attend with no invite, I show up like a real G and he knows I'm the king type,

You're the tagalong, midnight comes and you try backstab a badger but you've backstabbed too many and I pierce you with a thin spike,

Shit's poisoned with your ego and you tell me to off myself 'cause you wanna be DDO OG so bad, you'd become both trans and lesbian just to spite me, you dim dyke,

You wanna go low I'll roll with you, you diss me for resenting the system you're finding loopholes in via troll-debate spam, keep pushing, dig in, bite,

But make sure you can chew what your teeth sink into 'cause honestly right now you're making me feel like a misogynist for beating a cunt so hard on a grim night.

Round 3

06.30.2023 04:09AM

Pro

(Theme Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RinrGBDxSnc)

Hey Little Rat, my boots need some polishing.

Do you mind?

Sorry, what was that?

Couldn’t hear you. Was like a mosquito buzzing in my ear.

This fool’s words ricochet like a nerf bullet.

A delicate blow, you niggas can’t even bruise me.

You pay compliments with desperation for mine and everyone else’s approval.

I express sincere appreciation and encouragement.

Establish genuine friendships and connections.

My Charisma Game is at the Peak of Perfection.

I’ll rise with intensity.

Ground-punt you at a speed of light velocity.

You were unprepared for my relentless ferocity.

You’re a caterpillar lying lifeless

Why ain’t you fighting back?

You let me strangle you till you went blue in the face, Smurf.

Dragged you here just to prove I could kick your ass on your own turf.

All them rounds this useless tool wasted posturing.

Rat-Man’s exhausted, bouta die from dehydration.

This dead plant needs watering.

He’s asthmatic. Using his few breaths to have his last words.

What a Waste of Oxygen.

Not that I expected more from this hack screwup.

Just never thought this bitch would let me abuse him this much.

You’re a fool for thinking you matter.

Don’t see the need for all this chit-chatter.

Rat-Man is a worthless nobody stuck in this fantasy that he has anything to contribute.

Nothing here he can refute.

Was bouta vote for you in the Election.

Until you unfriended me over some petty-ass bullshit.

So fuck you. I don’t owe you jack.

How bout you quit smoking that crack.

And yes, you are a stupid incel.

Why don’t the women in your area see you as a local?

Is it because you’re an inbred yokel?

Or do you give off the vibes of a tranny in disguise?

07.02.2023 07:21AM

Con

Clarifying a couple puns and flow things.

Just so you are aware, Robinette is the real middle name of Joe Biden, the Batman and Robin pun utilised a real middle name (this should be more impressive than a randomly altered middle name to fit the batman).

'Grim night' at end of my Round 2 is also Grim knight. you can take that in so many ways (dying/unhappy knight) etc as in sir lancelot is a knight. It's a link to the first stanza/verse's metaphor about me being a samurai or ninja vs a knight.

I realised some of my longer lines don't seem to flow to average readers even if they imagine me saying it fast.

I have a lot of internal subtle flow and rhyme going on and I mean a LOT that you don't consciously realise on first reads. I will clarify some parts highlighting where to be slowing and emphasising for flow:

I mass-debated before you tried it, I said I'd make a new site on the Discord server like a couple weeks before you thought of doin' it yourself with some guy payin' 1K to be a Henchman's sidekick,

You try rated rap battles 'cause you liked my idea and I challenged you and you knew the last win wasn't real 'cause Bella held back a vote, you're easy to provoke and just can't hide it,

Love a sycophant tryna mock his opponent showing love for Barney while having Whitesmoke and Shillton in a gangbang, all at once, stuffed piggy with a wilted chode down the throat...
Fucking fake-ass supporter backstabbing failed abortion, sorta dude who's only resource in a battle rap's telling his opponent to choke,

I hope you get the idea. I think my flowing is not obvious to some on reading and causes issues for voters. Once you realise I do that consistently throughout (on top of other slight syllable tweaks to make it flow even more hypnotically) you maybe can begin to then not have to try hard to catch my flow.

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Round 3 beat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhux6gpP5AQ

Fuckin' runnin' in head first, chicken got guts but losin' the IQ,

I've punched in lots of rings with the lyrics, but aint ever seen a fight-ducker like you,

You might pucker up 'n' say you did this challenge, had to provoke you fight you, I'm too skilled at this, and my Kung Fu moves got you startled, that's strike 2,

Where's the first? I'm Mike, dude, I'm Tyson I write this I bite on the ear, no fear, that's a tight move,

Out of left field with the cross after autistic reptition with the obsessive right-hook,

What am I really saying? I'm talking shite, I just write it, I rhyme it, flow like ice-skating, I'm smoother than you with the lying, I'm like spiteful, emo kid with a Haiku,

I'm just frying you in what you cooked, autistic man hangs himself with his enemy with the neck-broken first, that's suicidal, fuck any love between us, goodnight, boo.

What you know about sparrin'? what you know about clashin'?

You're an old garment, raggy shit-stain boxers, shriveled up dick with the itchy rash trapped in,

Rationalmadman's rappin's like a gay man's faggoty sense with all that glam'rous fashion,

I can cry like a bitch and say stuff that's embarassin'...

One month later, they want me back, don't you dare say this absolute fact's sarcasm or a fallacy,

Callin' me top contributor, listen student to your tutor,

I'm the one as recently as 2 days ago to school mods in things ya get me lad? You're the present fad, I'm past and future,

You're a peasant to mad, coming after my posts, you're an afterthought, I'm a badman, alpha male, you're a beta, type of hater loser that's just a tad bit cuter.

Whiteflame responds to me with care when he aint even mentioned,

Road to hell's paved with you standin' up to the baddest in the land, what good intentions,

I call the shots, Chief mod gets to bendin', I'm the shotcaller you wish you backed, that wilted cunt's got a shrivelled clit, ditched the site to ressurect me, even to my worst enemies, I'm trendin',

Do you see this syllable mastery? Think you can outclass me? I'll smack your face in with a wrench till your jawbone's bendin',

You think you're bad and shit telling me I'm worthless, prick, your birth is the worst mistake that your parents made and they've both done other stuff there's no defendin',

I'm that loser spending all my time here right? Any hour of the day your last-online time's 4 hours ago or less, no-lifer won't lose much as I bring the ending.

Round 4

07.02.2023 06:35PM

Pro

(Theme Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucvko5Giy5k)

T-t..thorry Tython, what wuth that?

Can’t underthand you.

Shoulda left with your dignity intact while you still had the chance.

Now I’ll break you mentally, spiritually, and irreparably.

Ya got some nerve. Likening yourself to anti-hero status.

Calling yourself Mello and acting like the Debating Donatello.

You’re much more of a Fredo.

Looks like Little Bro surpassed Big Bro.

It takes brain damage to call me an imitator.

Look in the mirror and seriously ask yourself who would ever wanna be you.

I’m the fucking upgrade, you’re just a low-tier renegade.

I’m the leader that inspires, you’re that follower who admires.

You do everything the mods tell you.

You take your role of subservience very seriously.

Like there’s a sense of nobility in being the mod’s personal bitch.

Glad you tagged them so they can bear witness to the execution of their Golden Child publicly.

Just kidding, you’re not the Prodigal Son. You’re WAY more of a Black Sheep.

Hope they restrain you by keeping your autistic ass on a leash.

Being an underachieving failure is all you’re good for anyway.

You’re a lost cause.

One that ain’t worth fighting for.

Accusing me of backstabbing you and badger, as if I pledged my loyalty to either one of you retards.

We were never pals. I’d never be homies with slimy scum.

You called me a toxic snake and someone that’s unhappy.

Even if I was any of those things.

Let me hit you with something you’ll find interesting.

Even when I’m at my worst, you make me look like a saint.

Now I know you got a pathological obsession with stalking my profile

Hoping you can find some dirt to make shit stick after it’s been a while.

So let me return the favor.:

Must hurt that The People chose an anti-semitic racist as President just so they didn't get stuck with you.

Couldn’t even woo them with your charm and charisma, everyone was better off when you left.

Only a small demographic wanted you back.

Stepping to me was a Death Sentence. Warned you it would be a fucking bloodbath, looks like I've had the last laugh.

Don’t you dare wage war on those that vote for me or you’ll quickly regret it.

Your last few seconds on the clock are ticking near. If you’ve got anything else meaningless to say, now’s your chance to speak. Like a chicken running around in circles when its head’s been lopped off.

07.03.2023 01:06AM

Con

Beat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxFTNaqzJh8

See, I think I'm over the distortion and blatant fake shit, let's take it back,

Back to a time when you won rap battles by stating and slightly exaggerating facts,

You're a good guy Lancelot, on first meeting, type any chick's comfortable to take to dad,

I've more the type a daughter wants to fuck her hard 'til I damn near break her back,

Win her mom with swagger, and find a story and hobby to relate to the father and ratatatat,

I think you haven't understood what's different between us, it's more than the penis, it's a whole other thing that seems to make you mad.

See, if you were a woman, you'd be into me and hate it, following my every move on the forum,

curious as fuck and the truth is I'm fun as fuck, unpredictable, like every post I type's me performing,

Slick as shit with the badboy aura as I stick a transparent-fluid-covered finger up to decorum,

But if I were a woman, I'd see you as pathetic, a reliable stepping stone to my voting privileges here, reliable rock of boredom,

I put Tigerlord in his place in multiple ways and I give you a permaban-staked bet that I was in his-2 as a judge, they want to hate me but keep on adorin',

He has no problem even while blocked, you get insulted by him so hard and he still hopes you die and rot, that's a repeated cycle even in your real-life story,

I don't know what your issue is with me, like legitimately, I'm done with this 'I kill you, hang yourself' nonsense, I'd rather bring you back to life just to fuck you up post-mortem,

But I'm the one fucking your wife, man, you're the one wanking, recording.

04.20.2024 08:14PM

#140

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@FishChaser

Do you have any interest in doing a Hall of Fame writeup for this debate?

04.09.2024 07:55AM

#139

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@Barney

I nominate fishchaser

04.09.2024 01:17AM

#138

This debate is going into the HoF, would anyone care to provide a write-up on it?

03.14.2024 06:12PM

#137

Round 3 YT beat got made private.

This beat will work just as well for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNoG21hkbrM

08.03.2023 01:12AM

#136

Okay I realised the duration now.

08.03.2023 12:11AM

#135

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@Barney

@whiteflame

@oromagi

There has been no official post to the Moderation Log about the duration or full reasoning of the ban on Lancelot.

Maybe nobody else needs or wants it except me but I want (please and thanks) to see and understand more than the oneliner on his profile and to know the duration.

08.02.2023 06:55PM

#134

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@DebateArt.com

While instances like this are thankfully rare, this does exemplify why it would be useful for moderators to be able to remove votes even after the voting period has closed.

Even without correcting ELO, this would still mitigate the impacts of such poor faith voters.

While the exact ELO shifts are lost to the system; treating a changed outcome as two wins for a fresh ELO shift would be a decent approximation.

08.02.2023 06:50PM

#133

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@Savant

At least add time to the equation. For example, account must be old at least 30 days old to vote.

Current standard is too easy to bypass for anyone in just 1 day, and to abuse.

We want quality votes, not the mere number.

I agree with your idea to be able to remove votes after a voting period. That idea was proposed before, but never got implemented.

08.02.2023 06:45PM

#132

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@Best.Korea

Regardless of how complex the criteria are, someone will be able to get past it. And some debates get zero votes, so we'd be making that problem worse.

Might be better to just give a 24-hour window after voting concludes for mods to remove troll votes. Right now anyone can vote 2 minutes before the deadline and swing the outcome with no recourse.

08.02.2023 06:45PM

#131

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@whiteflame

Will this serve as a reason for change in requirements that users need to have to be able to vote on rated debates?

08.02.2023 06:42PM

#130

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@Savant

Voting requirements should be higher than doing a few troll debates. This is an obvious example that should serve as a reason.
I have never seen a bigger vote spam than this, and the fact is that these vote spams can change outcomes of any rated debate.

whiteflame

08.02.2023 06:35PM

#129

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@Best.Korea

@Savant

I’ll confirm Savant’s response. They had a number of debates against one another, all of which I deleted.

08.02.2023 06:32PM

#128

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@Best.Korea

They did troll debates against each other, but those have since been deleted.

08.02.2023 06:29PM

#127

How were those accounts able to vote? Some of them have no activity at all and are a day old.

08.02.2023 05:36PM

#126

It is. That is why you were happy for Sting and Boba tea doing it.

08.02.2023 04:20PM

#125

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@Devon

Thanks, but this isn't really how I wanted to win.

08.02.2023 04:17PM

#124

Oh for fuck's sake.

This shit couldn't have happened at a worse time.

Devon

08.02.2023 04:37AM

#123

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@Sir.Lancelot

Congrats on the win my brotha

08.02.2023 01:49AM

#122

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@whiteflame

@Bella3sp

@Savant

Everything I want to say would violate the code of conduct in some way.

I will just note that everything I said in the rap battle was proven irrefutably true.

whiteflame

08.02.2023 01:40AM

#121

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@Bella3sp

Suffice it to say that I clearly got to this too late. For the moment, I'm doing what I can to handle it and investigating the situation.

08.02.2023 01:37AM

#120

"Con won this by a large margin"

*proceeds to vote for Pro*

Bella3sp

08.02.2023 01:00AM

#119

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@Barney

@whiteflame

I doubt guys will get to it because of voting period is ending very soon, but I thought I'd let you know just in case you do log on before then.

Clear vote-bombing and alt accounts here with the last five votes, do you mind taking a look and removing?
They of course, did it in the last few minutes.

07.28.2023 06:12AM

#118

I have waited for a long time to truly flex my username choice in a rap battle here though. That line where I use my username was the exact type of syllable flexing I made this username for even on DDO as I realised it would come in handy if I ever entered a rapping debate.

07.28.2023 06:10AM

#117

I have gone far in (a) poetry competition(s) btw. I just lacked the passion to risk it all and do that professionally. I am more logical than creative, on balance.

07.28.2023 06:06AM

#116

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@Savant

Thanks for the vote.

I disagree that it was close but I can appreciate your scoring, excluding flow.

Where did Lancelot exactly ace flow? Regardless I am glad you saw that I was continually dishing out punchlines.

What I actually do is something most need drugs to achieve. I do not form a thought alone and rhyme to fit it, I sort of enter a stream of consciousness in pure madman mode while letting the beat consume me.

At times I will not deny using rhyme suggestion sites (esp in the past which led to me now barely having to anymore due to muscle memory of a mental sort). What I used to do years back was regularly do so, I had talent regardless from a young age at writing raps, not as much true talent at delivering that is something I need to refine if I ever want to go semi pro in any way as my lyrical style in writing is requiring a speedy delivery at times that has to be intense and vicious and that is not an easy delivery style to pull off albeit better than pure rapid chopping on the regular. I also do not always have the same true accent that would suit what I write here, I write to be smoother to a typical North America continent reader (US and Canada basically), ignoring regional twangs within and such.

I often write it in ways where both sharp ah a's and flat aa a's work as well as trying to make a lot work regardless of regional twangs.

I form the thing backwards. What I do often is realise the rhyming word(s) that could work and push my brain to make a thing in between that lands the punchlines hard again and again. It is lazy and yet looks like very hard work all at once. It helps that I am completely fluent in English, I am certain that a person who speaks English as a true foreign language cannot bring their brain to do what I do as I utilise my subconscious brain's English. It is unfair talent in some ways but I will not pretend that it is not also refined skill, I wasnt this slick 8 years back etc and a huge part of why was I often had no ckue what people go wow to or not. Over time I learned to be lazier with metaphors. Triple entendres are not worth building up at the sake of flow and rhyme scheme if your readers or listeners will ignore them a lot.

I learned where to slack vs what to keep. I could earn money ghostwriting for a pro or 2 but the way to truly ghostwrite for a proper pro requires either good contacts and prior reputation in the ghostwriting circles or to be with the spitter early on and build trust and a long term understanding. The real issue is you are paid next to nothing compared to their huge profit margin for spitting the lyrics so you need ones who will pay your proper royalty percentages while you stay nameless etc. It therefore leaves you torn between writing something too good vs just good for them.

That is why most rappers with ghost writers still sound so mediocre, it is that the ghost writer did not want to write something god tier and get fucked over so they bided their time before the artist would go for a contract and then stayed lazy anyway or just aren't that great.

07.28.2023 01:53AM

#115

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@Savant

That's a great vote.

Thanks for taking the time to read through it.

07.24.2023 07:15PM

#114

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@Athias

Thank you.

Athias

07.24.2023 05:02PM

#113

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@RationalMadman

@Sir.Lancelot

I'll take a look at this in the days to come and may (or may not) render a vote.

whiteflame

07.24.2023 02:35PM

#112

Removed for ineligibility
Boba_Tea
07.16.2023 08:32PM

RationalMadman

Lyricism = 4/4
Flow = 3/4
Diss = 2/4
Rhyme = 3/4

Sir.Lancelot

Lyricism = 2/4
Flow = 4/4
Diss = 4/4
Rhyme = 3/4

Lancelot wins by 1 point.

The truth is I was rooting for Rational by a long-shot. If the rules weren’t as they were, I would’ve given him the win because his lyricism is that much better.

However, Lancelot’s disses were the only redeeming quality that landed him in first place. In a No-Hold’s Barred, this is the priority.

Feel free to message me if either of you have any questions.

07.22.2023 10:40PM

#111

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@Best.Korea

Tyvm for the vote.

Ironically I think my Round 4 had the best flow but other than that I can see your logic and taste.

If you want to see the internal flow and rhyming to the longer lines with the word 'provoke' in them, message me, otherwise fair enough.

I actually believe you are not from US or Canada nor any english speaking nation? The reason I ask is solely to understand the accent and tempo of talking that you hear in your head while reading. A Korean reading English (if you are SK) would see the flow in the areas you said and not at all see it in my longer line because they emphasise vowels and such differently when even doing K-pop rapping etc.

07.22.2023 04:56PM

#110

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@Mps1213

Sup bro.

How are you doing today?

Mps1213

07.22.2023 04:37PM

#109

RM no I don’t have any interest in voting on this.

07.22.2023 03:09PM

#108

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@Slainte

Could you possibly walk me through Lancelot's flow and rhyming let alone how his lyricism is not a 0?

I am genuinely serious. I have tried hard to see what anyone other than FishChaser saw in this battle.

07.22.2023 03:08PM

#107

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@Slainte

No no, I mean how did Lancelot score anything in rhyme above a 1?

I have tried to read his rap in varying accents and tempos and every Round is a shitshow in rhyming.

I cannot see his rhyming skill at all. He is writing non rhyming text for nearly the entirety of round 4 for example.

Slainte

07.22.2023 03:06PM

#106

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@RationalMadman

I have said many a time that the rhythm you have in your head is not clear based on how it is written. The inflexion, and cadence etc. So while something may not read like it has good rhymes, it may sound better if spoken with the style you are looking for. You admitted just as such yourself.

I dont know why you keep badgering me about it. This is the reason I said I would not vote rap debates anymore.

07.22.2023 02:17PM

#105

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@Yassine

@Tejretics

@Intelligence_06

@Nyxified

@YouFound_Lxam

Do you have any interest to vote on this possibly? Idc if it is against me.

07.22.2023 02:12PM

#104

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@Vader

@Mps1213

@AustinL0926

@the_quiet_poet9

@Pevensie

Do you have any interest to vote on this possibly? Idc if it is against me.

07.22.2023 02:06PM

#103

Ty in advance if you vote.

07.22.2023 02:06PM

#102

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@blamonkey

@zedvictor4

@Lemming

@Average_Person

@Best.Korea

Do you have any interest to vote on this possibly? Idc if it is against me.

07.22.2023 02:03PM

#101

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@Greyparrot

@Barney

@whiteflame

@oromagi

@Bella3sp

Do you have any interest to vote on this possibly? Idc if it is against me.

07.22.2023 02:02PM

#100

How did Lancelot get 4 out of 4 rhyme in this?

Like what am I reading? I cannot fathom what accent he rhymes in. Every round it is dogshit rhyme scheme and flow.

How

07.22.2023 01:58PM

#99

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@Slainte

Could you possibly walk me through the scores you gave and give me examples?

Specifically rhyme?

07.22.2023 01:55PM

#98

I am genuinely confused how the final round of Pro even rhymes for the majority of it... I just seriously reread it to see what others see in it and can't believe that even counts as rap LOL

07.22.2023 08:13AM

#97

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@Savant

Same with you, please read it all and vote. Thanks in advance, regardless of who you vote.

07.22.2023 08:10AM

#96

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@Athias

Out of curiosity does something like this interest you at all to vote on?

I am aware that you tend to like simpler flows and thus Lancelot may be to your taste more in that sense but regardless I encourage you to read it to the end and vote.

I am losing regardless at this point, if you vote for me, so I have nothing to lose requesting this.

07.22.2023 07:22AM

#95

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@RationalMadman

@Sting

> "I am done reacting. You poked the bear. Enjoy your time here."

No threat detected. Certainly a statement which implies dislike, but nothing which implies any intent to inflict harm.

07.22.2023 06:11AM

#94

Removed for ineligibility
Sting
07.16.2023 12:47PM
Reason:
sirlancelot
lyrics 4
flow 3
roast 4
rhyme 3

rationmcman
lyrics 2
flow 1
diss 2
rhyme 4

lancelot has better lyrics and disses. they were easy for me to understand. macman doesn’t know how to write very good or carry a tune, his lyrics were very choppy, but it’s ok because not everyone listens to rap

all of the rounds got very brutal and poetic so i give disses and lyrics to lancelot. he also makes more sense so he gets better flow but macman uses more rhymes.

07.17.2023 10:29AM

#93

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@Barney

@whiteflame

@oromagi

Lancelot is enabling people to vote on debates that shouldn't even be able to vote on them yet via spamming troll debates and then asking them to vote in his favour here as a returned thing.

07.17.2023 12:35AM

#92

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@Boba_Tea

Thank you!

Boba_Tea

07.17.2023 12:17AM

#91

I’ll probably vote on this tonight or tomorrow

Alejandro

08.02.2023 01:01AM

#11

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Great job to both.

Lancelot needs to get better because he did a terrible job.

Rational won this by a large margin

Rockyroad

08.02.2023 12:59AM

#10

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Rational rapped a lot better here

carnegietech

08.02.2023 12:57AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Rational won this for sure

MiracleQueen

08.02.2023 12:53AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

i think rational wins because of their superior skills

Alfredo.Vonchini

08.02.2023 12:52AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

rational has better rhyme, lyrics, and flow!

lancelot didn’t do a good job here.

07.28.2023 01:46AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

RM took a risk by asking me to vote when he was 7 points ahead. Obligatory "let's see if it pays off" Dodgeball reference.

First Impressions:
This battle is a good example of complex rhyme schemes and metaphors against extremely personal disses with some elements of truth. RM is very versatile as an MC with good lyricism and would probably dominate in a rap cypher, but SL came prepared with 95 theses and is prepared to nail them to RM's front door.

Lyricism:
I'm giving SL a 2 for this and RM a 4. SL has good character references at times, but RM is very focused on metaphors and makes puns on basically everything he says. Maybe needing to explain references should count against him, but RM is very creative here with consistent metaphors, so I'm giving him all 4 points.

Flow:
I'm giving SL a 3 for this and RM a 2. SL breaks lines into smaller chunks, making it easier to see how they flow together, while it often seems like RM is trying to rhyme one paragraph with another paragraph. There are a lot of complex rhymes in the middle which can't be ignored, but it sometimes seems like the length of words and syllables is completely based on finishing RM's train of thought, rather than following a consistent structure. Recognizing that many professional rappers do something similar to this, I'm still giving RM 2 points on flow.

Diss:
SL does well here. There's a history of beef between these two MCs and SL references a lot of it, pointing to specific events that happen. Even though it didn't rhyme with anything, and RM later has a good response, "OMG Barney, you're such a manly man!!" was pretty funny. Both sides use references, but SL uses more of them. While RM will link to something and then use a complex rhyming metaphor, SL tends to stay on topic more to the thing being discussed. While this doesn't allow for many complex rhyme schemes, sometimes simple works best. SL is able to give straightforward criticisms of RM, so I give him a 4 for disses.

RM makes use of a lot of analogies, comparing himself to King Arthur and using complex rhyme schemes. But I'm only evaluating the quality of disses here, not rhymes. RM's strongest line is his comeback about SL's post thanking Barney and whiteflame (although I posted on that thread too so maybe I should take offense to that?) Regardless, these are well-developed analogies that paint a clear picture. However, they mostly come across as threats or taunts that could be used against anyone, not specifically SL. I know that's not always the most important thing in rap battles, but when I have to separate disses from flow and lyricism, there's not much left to evaluate. I give this a 3, since the disses are good, even if they're not always based on real events.

Rhyming:
I looked for the best examples I could find of this from each rapper. SL's best was in R3, because I think he rhymed the most consistently there. "velocity" and "ferocity" were decently impressive rhymes, and "screw up" and "abuse...much" was a good multisyllabic rhyme. There's some loss of consistency since not every line rhymes, but I acknowledge that some of these lines are meant to be hype lines before a verse starts. I give SL's rhyming a 2.

RM has a lot of good examples, most prominently the opening of his R1 when "wetter" is rhymed with 7 other words on two syllables. There are a few slant rhymes, but RM balances very complex rhyme schemes with bars that make sense. I looked to see if these rhymes came at the expense of jumping from one topic to another or not making sense, and that was not the case. Regardless of how he did overall, RM's rhyming was very good, and I'll give it a 4.

Favorite line from SL: "Must hurt that The People chose an anti-semitic racist as President just so they didn't get stuck with you. Couldn’t even woo them with your charm and charisma, everyone was better off when you left."
Favorite line from RM: "Love a sycophant tryna mock his opponent showing love for Barney while having Whitesmoke and Shillton in a gangbang, all at once, stuffed piggy with a wilted chode down the throat"

RM wins 13 to 11, but this is a close one due to the use of very different strategies from each side.