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Topic
#4604

Rap Battle: Sir.Lancelot vs RationalMadman

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
21
15
Better sources
16
8
Better legibility
8
4
Better conduct
8
5

After 11 votes and with 21 points ahead, the winner is...

Sir.Lancelot
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Rated
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,500
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Minimal rating
1,750
Contender / Con
32
1709
rating
564
debates
68.17%
won
Description

(RationalMadman: You aint on my level. We never rap battled as each other, btw. Try it.)

Okay, deal.
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This will be a No-Hold's Barred.

To avoid any errors or confusion, there will be rules and a framework set-up for voters.
Above all else, anyone can vote. But read the rules with careful consideration.

Rules:

1. This is a No-Hold's Barred between both myself and Rational.

2. The actual track for music itself does not count as actual points. Meaning neither me nor Rational can be penalized for choosing a beat the voters do not approve of.

3. All 7 points are assigned to whoever you think won.

4. Voters are not expected to know much about rap, so here are the following qualities you will judge on for both rappers in your RFD.
(On a scale of 1-4)
Lyricism:
Flow:
Diss:
Rhyme:
You will be required to actually read the raps from both sides and analyze your favorite lines.

5. No troll votes or vote-bombing.
You are expected to read the entire rap battle to even be voting.

(Any changes can be made before the acceptance of the debate at the request of Con. No one else aside from RationalMadman can accept, unless stated otherwise by me in the Comments.)

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@Slainte

W T F

Okay I can understand him getting that ratio in 'disses' but WTF to the rest. You must be reading this very differently to me. This dude's first line in the wholebattle didn't even rhyme, he flowed jagged af throughout, you have to nonstop pause to make his rap work. He has like 0 clever lyricism. Lyricism itself I'd score him 1/4 in.

Just W T F. I am 2/4 in these categories based on WHAT? You didn't even explain where you mark him like that from.

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@Sir.Lancelot

My pleasure.

A quick vote on this would be appreciated. https://www.debateart.com/debates/4674-discussing-race-based-genetic-differences-is-a-significant-contributor-to-racism-and-is-therefore-unacceptable

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@Slainte

Thanks for the vote!

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@RationalMadman

It's definitely wordplay as it's a play on words to make them sound alike. Not saying what you're saying is false because it is true but it's definitely wordplay. Also there's electrical engineers and then there's electricians, so technically an engineer can use plugs/wires. Wild how nitpicky you are over my lines but super simple shit that's unable to be deciphered or broken down, you treat it like it's the best in the world but anyways difference of opinion agree to disagree

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@Devon

"The technician will be plugging up wires on you like an engineer
When I say I'm on my way, better believe my engine near
Your whole crew will get knocked off if they interfere
I can spot a fraud from afar I can smell their inner fear"

Last 2 lines aren't skilled wordplay even remotely, they are skilled rhyme sceme and alliteratin.

First 2 kind of, it makes absolutely no sence though, should have been electrician or mechanic instead of engineer, maybe stretch it to plumber, engineers don't plug wires into anything.

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@Devon

Great examples of wordplay is my first bars in R2 against Fish:
accent
act since
axe scent
axe sent

This is not skilled wordplay at all, this is skilled rhyming and alliteration. Meaning-wise there's nothing particularly impressive and because they don't link to each other as punchlines it's not really good but I will admit the axe scent and axe sent can be considered wordplay, depends how you land it.

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@RationalMadman

It was cool disses but I wouldn't call it god tier wordplay, that's a stretch. He could ghostwrite that for Eminem? Don't disrespect Em. Now I know you really trolling

Only thing decent is
"duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"
that was a decent diss.

"you can suck my dick, but can you duck my sick?" was ass bro it made no sense all he did was switch the d and the s for suck/dick to duck/sick. It's not profound at all or a wow factor. Crazy how much of a lyrical rapper you are, you find that so great lmao but all the fire shit I said which was way better than all the shit he said obviously, you shitted on ofc but my very last bars you finally gave props too. But you like what he said cool, I guess we see things different. I def understand rap quality and I know you do too which is why I'm shocked that what you thought he said was the best thing ever, is what you act like

Great examples of wordplay is my first bars in R2 against Fish:
accent
act since
axe scent
axe sent

Another example of great wordplay in my battle against Lancelot R5:

The technician will be plugging up wires on you like an engineer
When I say I'm on my way, better believe my engine near
Your whole crew will get knocked off if they interfere
I can spot a fraud from afar I can smell their inner fear

engineer/engine near
interfere/inner fear. Now that's god tier wordplay

I know you gonna critique them and say its wack tho but praise someone who says suck my dick

Honestly, I'm not yet at the level where I can analyze the intricacy/complexity of lyrics or wordplay and be as mesmerized as you, but I'm already aware his rapping ability is advanced, just having skimmed his battle with Devon.
The similarity of the style, word choice, rhymes, and mastery of the rapping ability is also how I can confirm it's Type1.

And I wouldn't have assumed you were trolling in the first place regardless.
But Devon's repulsion to those rhymes (even if they are lyrically superior) is hilarious to me.

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@Sir.Lancelot
@Devon
@FishChaser

Whether you agree ot not and whether he is Type1 or not, I am not trolling you when i tell you this is god tier wordplay that maintains rhyme scheme despite how good it plays woth the words:

"you can suck my dick
but can you duck my sick?
duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"

That is one of the best superficial (meaning nonspecific) diss string of I guess 2.5 bars, ever (pseudo)spat by any rapper.

That is something he could ghostwrite for Eminem himself.

If you think this is trolling, you don't understand rap quality. FishChaser himself doesn't correctly comprehend rap quality but that is because he is a better rapper than judge.

Him being named FishChaser makes it even more god tier than it would otherwise be.

He should have added 'can you' before the second 'duck'. Beyond that no flaw in it.

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@Devon

FishChaser is Type1.

I know for a fact.

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@RationalMadman

Depends. Something can be funny and fire and then there's funny/wack and straight wack >

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@FishChaser

Ok sir if you say so. Speedrace clearly raps better than you and he's not even on this site anymore. https://www.debateart.com/debates/1112-rap-battle-part-3
and before you say I lost no, the shit was full of stupid vote bombs...that's all people did a few years ago smh. King_8 was my old account. Me, RM and Lancelot rap circles around you, but least you're confident that's a good thing

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@FishChaser

please genuinely take the time of like 40 full seconds to let the beat build in my Round 3 (put it on loop in background only works on computer unless you got YT premium)

then, read my round (3) and imagine faster paced, vicious drill delivery.

It will rhyme in almost any american or canadian accent unless very twanged. It probably can even rhyme in most UK and European-speaking-English accents. Seems to even flow sick in an Aussie or NZ accent. Some parts won't flow well in those though.

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@Devon

Do you think making the audience laugh at your wordplay increases or decreases the quality of the puns?

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@FishChaser

Thx for the vote!

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@Devon

I am by far the best rapper on DA.

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@Sir.Lancelot

Lmao wasn't tryna be a debbie downer or nothing though. I feel like I relate to what he said about the shallow bars. Lemme hush about it though I feel like I'm dragging it 😂 I'm not actually salty but when I talk about it I look salty lmao

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@Devon

“Duck my sick.”

Your reaction got me laughing.

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@Sir.Lancelot

No prob it was fun voting

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@RationalMadman

"I think people prefer shallower bars with slicker rhyming on this website"
I see where you coming from. I feel the same. People value trash over actual talent. I feel like they be trolling, especially when I was rapping on here back in 2019. Nothing but vote bombs too.

For ex.
You seriously said this was "incredible rhyme-scheme-maintained wordplay."

"you can suck my dick
but can you duck my sick?
duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"

Sorry that shit was so ass. "suck my dick" "duck my sick" huh? throw up my fish? It really made me laugh. Seemed like you were really trolling or hey maybe its your opinion but I couldn't help but think trolling or our past rap battles for your reasoning since we have history of battling eachother. But I'm not tripping or mad especially because I expected the vote from you. But if someone choose you as winner in our battle it makes sense cause you can actually rap. Like I said I'm not mad, if I was I wouldn't give you any props in my vote and I would've chose Lancelot for all 4 categories. No bias stuff.

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@Sir.Lancelot

I will get to it for sure. I have a few open debates needing votes as well. Rationing Consumables, and Barney is the Devil are two of them :)

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@Devon

Thx for the vote homie!
Great analysis!

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@Ramshutu
@Slainte
@Sidewalker
@DavidAZ
@FishChaser

Would you guys like to vote?

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@Devon

Thanks for the vote.

I actually did my Round 3 more for Fishchaser, who I am pretty sure likes rhyme-spam and vicious bars. I think people prefer shallower bars with slicker rhyming on this website. I have begun to get the idea.

For me, my Round 3 was my most technically impressive for reasons beyond just that. Drill forces you to choose to either be slick as hell or just pure rhyme spam with no substance. If you have substance to a Drill style, the Drill rap can be phenomenal but most drillers lack that, hence why Drill rap is usually just mediocre.

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@RationalMadman
@Sir.Lancelot

Great battle. I read everything, just waiting on RM final round and I'll vote. Don't forgot to @everyone so they can vote

Why do you take pleasure in getting humiliated?

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@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Bella3sp
@FishChaser

watch a beatdown take place

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@RationalMadman

I am a person filled with desire to upset people. I just prefer not to often feed that toxicity by displaying it. There is just the point where being toxic becomes boring and unsustainable, since there is no positive outcome for toxic relationship.

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@RationalMadman
@Sir.Lancelot

Yeah! Duke it out guys! This looks fun.

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@Best.Korea

Nothing he does here is healthy. He is a truly unhappy guy that only understands toxicity.

Not sure if this is healthy competition.

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@Sir.Lancelot

Of course

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@Slainte
@Sidewalker
@DavidAZ
@Devon

Would you guys like to follow and vote on this when it’s over?

😃😃😃

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@WeaverofFate
@Bella3sp
@Devon
@FishChaser
@swordburial17

Keep your eyes glued and vote, cheers.

Enjoy that copium.

The one due to a voter not voting as I left?

Scared?
Don't worry, I would be too after that beating you took last time.

I mean leave this up, I will accept later

Rated only allows Max response time for 1 week.
But I can make it Standard to extend it to 2 weeks.

Your choice.

Unless you mean Voting.

leave open the full 2 weeks I'll take this later.