3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official

And I agree with you as it concerns the capacity of the office that having the trust and faith of the moderators is just as important as having the trust and faith of the community over which you would preside.

This is something Wylted believes is fine and should be left alone, he even deceptively coaxed me into making my views clear to the Religion Forums while pretending to support my idea 

Nobody reading that post, would think it is an endorsement LOL. 3rut7l go look at what RM is talking about to see if anybody would interpret that sarcastic comment, that way

You possibly are taking Wylted not posting here as him respecting you but it's the very opposite. He doesn't fear you and is hoping you will attract voters who'd vote for me or that I'll say something here he can use against me.

What I am asking you to do is seriously consider (both yourself and Athias) who, for the next year (I am under the impression this is an annual role, no less) should lead the website and guard vulnerable members from unfair (either too over-strict or over-lenient) moderation and furthermore who it is that you believe will have your back genuinely when you're up against the wall.

I am saying you, as in literally you 3RU7AL and you, Athias. I do not believe you will win this election and I say that without any arrogance, it is about how late you entered it and how many have already gotten behind myself or Wylted.

I am asking you 2 to consider who will better serve the very interests you cherish:

Myself or Wylted?

I can promise you I absolutely vehemently will push for completely uniform and fair treatment to the both of you vs all other users. It's also why I'm posting so fervently in this thread, because no matter how sure I am that you will lose I respect you as a genuine opponent. I am grateful to you for not using any of the slimy tactics Wylted does and whether you drop out and back me or not, it is so genuinely refreshing to see somebody run for president other than myself who has their morals in tact.

I respect your honesty and integrity and am not a hypocrite to suggest you drop out in spite of it because I am also honesty and have high integrity, we are equals in that department in my eyes. You need to properly read through Wylted's campaign thread and perhaps see his style of derailing any attempt I have at serious discussion and twisting truth in the following threads:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7118-should-we-crack-down-on-members-of-the-religion-forum?page=2

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7122-suspending-my-campaign

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7106-a-witch-a-thang-a-yin-a-yang-a-rational-man-and-a-boomerang

I respect you both for being on the side of uniform application of rules but you have me, somebody who chose option 2 in that scenario and who is anti-corruption and a guy who flexes his friendship with Whiteflame, who mocks female users brutally berating them even saying he'll seduce and fuck them and who has dedicated his campaign to being a really cruel, twisted persona.

I wish you well no matter what you choose but I beg you not to back Wylted if you do change your minds later because he is not the right person to defend users of this website.

 Your platform may have been appealing when Wylted was your only competition. Again: lesser of two evils. But with 3RU7AL we have a good platform--one that's especially aware of that which he can and can't do. An awareness that you lack.

You haven't even maintained the rule you yourself cited about candidates campaigning in other threads--this being the second thread, now, to my knowledge. Why should I, 3RU7AL, or anyone for that matter give you their confidence if you've exhibited no discipline or self-control? What have you demonstrated other than the fact you covet the office?

I can see issues with them as a presidential candidate (I think they'd make an excellent site analyst of some kind for the actual owner of it though) and I would actually say something of them that Wylted said of me; 3RU7AL's more cut out for a non-sociable role.

I would encourage them (gender not displayed in profile) to endorse me despite some disagreements with me. I'd even encourage you to do the same.

The reason is a combination of how corrupt I predict Wylted will be combined with how inactive/lazy I predict his events or any kind of 'moves' to be apart from when he's defending someone that he considers 'one of the cool guys'.

The president overall serves three purposes:

1. Making the bans of users be held up to a high standard of fairness (which can involve things prior to that ban and how the mods dealt with things in between it in broken-down steps).
   
2. Holding fun events like official debate tournaments (that's the only one I can think of for now as gaming tournaments are able to be held by anyone anyway).
   
3. Both representing the website as some form of ambassador-account on the outside and by chain reaction of 1 and 2 making the site appealing on top of their own 'appearance' for people who come across the website to think 'wow this is tiny but a fun place to join!' 
   

I can achieve this, it's up to you to believe it or not.

The moderation staff had historically denied you entry into their ranks. Why is that? 

You know that changing your vote only helps Wylted, right?

Whiteflame has explicitly stated in Wylted's campaign thread that Wylted is wrongly assuming he has more of a hold on Whiteflame than I do/would as President.

Are you suggesting that 3RU7AL is above the both of us in how readily Whiteflame and his team of moderators will take given advice from him/her/them?

Three people will make it to the final election. I am confident that you will be one of those three no matter where I place my vote.

thank you for sharing your opinions

So, you want to leech at my base for the benefit of who exactly?

You won't beat Wylted or me, I'm very sure of that.

If you really think that's me showing no self control because I post that in a thread where you nominate 3RU7AL, so be it. 

Wylted won't likely every enter their ranks either and to my knowledge you and 3RU7AL are both barely known to them at all, including positively known but what would I know right?

I'm not applying to be a moderator, I'm applying to balance out moderator power.

A position in fact that is best held by someone who knows their dark side, which you are trying to refer to me having seen.

Assumptions; no facts.

Another example of your lacking awareness. How do you plan to "balance out moderator power"? You state that you're familiar with the functions of the office but statements like these make me think otherwise. That is, unless you're attempting to propagate demagoguery. 

Are you under the impression that you, 3RU7AL, and Wylted are running for a position on the Jedi counsel? Knowing one's "dark side" and not letting one's "dark side" interfere with the example one has set and intends to continue setting are two different things. I have much more confidence in 3RU7AL's example, than I would ever have in your words.

when I said 'you' I meant plural you as in you and 3RU7AL as a duo, you not being the candidate but the most ardent supporter and in fact you have typed more than 3RU7AL has about the exact stance or advantage of such a presidency.

If the 'fact' you based me not becoming moderator ever is that I've been temp-banned and have been at odds with the moderators, Wylted has done so just as much if not slightly more. So what facts is it you're hinting at here?

Why don't you say what you think will go on between the President and moderators in the discord and on-site chats they'll have?

It's clear that you don't know what the President does.

i will not act as a moderator for DebateArt.com

i will act as an advisor to the moderators and an advocate for UNIFORM ENFORCEMENT

President’s Role

While not a moderating role, the President does retain limited powers with their position, including:

• The ability to communicate within a moderation team chat (via Discord) in order to give input on all forms of daily decision-making. Except when completely untenable, the mod team will strive to ensure the President’s viewpoint is heard and honored.
  
• The ability to approve or veto permanent ban propositions. Moderation will be required to submit permanent ban propositions to the President for review unless the user in question is a bot or advertising account, the situation is uniquely urgent or severe, the President is absent and/or unreasonably tardy, or the permanent ban proposition targets the President themselves. VETOS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE AMONG THE MODERATION TEAM.
  
• The ability to envision and execute community events, pending the approval and assistance of moderation.
  

In general, the President will spend the vast majority of their time in service observing the ordinary daily tasks of the moderation team and giving counsel as they see fit. 

Show me the rule or stigma against being an ardent supporter.

3RU7AL is the only candidate who understands that this office is primarily an advisory position.

What example is that? Most of the posts of this user are either one-word/one-liners, URLs or something along the lines of seemingly robotic interaction with zero awareness of nuances or social aspects.

This isn't me just insulting,

in this thread alone, 3RU7AL has completely struggled to follow what I am saying and therefore has replied overall either incoherently or outright sarcastically about 'opinion versus fact' type stuff implying nothing I state is a fact or somehow is ad hominem when really it was a fact-based conclusion that I wanted a reply to.

You, yourself, are actually a lot more capable of a role involving heavy communication and social interactions with moderators than the user you have nominated. I genuinely don't understand why it isn't you running and if you swapped right now, I'd be more interested in the dialogue that would ensue.