Total posts: 2,155
Posted in:
There's also something interesting about Pie's #487. It ties into something I was hinting at earlier but no one bothered responding to for some reason. I'm trying to figure out what to make of it.
Created:
Posted in:
I'm going to be honest. I've given it some thought, and I understand the points made against him. But something about the Earth wagon doesn't feel good to me. Maybe I'm just buying into the WIFOM too much, but I just don't think it's the type of fakeclaim he'd go for here - not just because it's an uncommon role, but also because it has that 1x modifier. Why would he choose to make himself look as scummy as possible? I feel like he could have and would have come up with something better than that.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
I think earths role is odd and is an SOP that should’ve been claimed
Why? It's not Earth’s role that's negative utility
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@Savant
@WyIted
@iamanabanana
Earth's claim is odd. Not sure how to feel about it. I want to ask everyone a question. Assuming it's a fakeclaim, do you think he came up with it himself? If not, who do you think his partner most likely would be?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
Or you just fake claimed undiagnosed people cause it was safer. But you forgot that it also links you two and you were hoping no one would notice
I'm gonna be honest, right now I really do not buy that Savant and Banana are the scum team and they claimed their actual characters (or at least claimed characters that matched the actual theme split). Their interactions don't feel like theater to me and I really don't think they'd be acting this reckless as scum.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
Banana and Savant seem like an ideal team but I really don’t think savant hard buddies his scum partner unless I’m mistaken
I will say that Savant and I ended up tying ourselves a little too closely together during the game where we were scum together. But I also feel like he would have learned from that.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
List the top 2 people you would hammer right now if you could.
Already answered this one: you and Earth
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@iamanabanana
When Savant speculated the theme and we realized all our characters were related to autism, I remembered your hesitance to claim your first letter, and just kind of pieced together what the last name first letter meant, and it dawned on me. Plus a couple other hints you dropped about your character makes it feel a bit obvious. That character seems very likely to be in the game from what little I know of the subject and what we've seen in other claims so far, and I suspect it's more likely town than not based on your resistance to giving too much info about it.
Fair enough.
Created:
Posted in:
Right now, this is one of those games where no one feels obviously scummy to me and I can see at least some reason to townread every player, even Earth. He's been a bit sharper and more focused than I've seen him recently, and I like the way he's been engaging in this game. My strongest townreads, however, are Ultra, Wylted, and Savant. The ones who are giving me the weakest reasons to townread them rn are Pie, Earth, and Vader. Mikal is a very mixed bag and I just don't know what to think of him. I'm willing to give Vader a chance for now and see what happens come DP2. If we're going to push someone else for a claim, those two would be my choices. I'm actually leaning towards Pie, and it's largely because of remembering the other reason I was suspicious of him but didn't bring up and briefly forgot about: when we were first openly discussing the theme split, he was leaning towards animal rights, not autism. That might genuinely be nothing, but it might have also been him trying to lead us astray. I think that's worth discussing.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@iamanabanana
Frankly my strongest town reads are casey and Wylted, I don't have mikal townlocked, but I'd also be unwilling to lynch him.
When did you start townreading me?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mikal
super is always my hardest person to read. He copies reads and is very basic with what he posts and does it as town or mafia and has been doing it since I played with him the first time years ago.
Interesting, I feel like Vader is actually one of the easier players to read here. I actually found it a little embarrassing in retrospect that I didn't clock him as mafia in the last game I played with him, as it felt fairly obvious in retrospect.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Savant
You still scum read Mikal, right? Why not go after him instead? I know it's pretty typical for us to try and get three claims DP1, but I honestly feel like it's a pretty lazy meta, especially when the only real reason to sus Vader that I can see is him claiming late and being relatively low activity - neither of these things are unusual coming from Vader, whose activity tends to come in spurts. I'd rather go after someone like Mikal who's actually hard for me to read.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
I’m a bit concerned about the mod kill version of the PM. Seems like a a weird oddity that I’ve never experienced in a game. In fact Speedrace did something similiar where he faked a mod kill to garner town cred so I could 100% buy Wylted is doing this
It's a common way for Actor to work. Basically, it prevents easy role confirmation. I included a version of it that was basically exactly the same in my US Presidential Elections Mafia, only there I incorrectly called it 'Hammerer'.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Savant
It looks like neither of our characters was diagnosed formally, but there's some speculation they were on the spectrum. If banana was scum I don't know that they would think to fake claim a character like that.
Honestly, my thoughts are the same. I think Banana is probably town for that claim.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mikal
I either suck at explaining my thought process or savant didn’t read what I posted at all.Did the last post make sense to you or did I not explain it properly
No, I get what you're saying. I'll have to think about Banana's character claim a bit. My first instinct is that it's not quite what I would expect for this game. But my second instinct is that it's probably not what I would expect scum to claim.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@iamanabanana
So what do you want so we can move on from this? Claim? Are you willing to consider savant at all based on anything I said? Or what’s your independent read on him?
I would like your character claim, personally.
As for Savant, I think he's most likely town. Savant's generally a decent town player but not so great of a scum player, and I don't get any scum vibes from him yet. I like the way he's approaching this game and his thoughts largely mirror my own.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mikal
Her response to the wagon seems like general annoyance and not like a “I got caught annoyance” but a “this shit happens every game annoyance”
I also felt the same way in her first scum game and defended her on this line of logic.
We were doing theatre in our scum game but she was pretty laid back and not aggressive toward anyone other than me mostly. Even in chat her default personality is and was “don’t tell me I can’t do this, I’ll do it”. She was annoyed at I had to bus her and almost wanted to 1v1 me as scum as a pride thing. Her doing this to everyone who is reading her pings me as annoyance and Genuine frustration
That's a fair point and I will take that into consideration. I still think she leans scum overall.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@iamanabanana
It’s a peer pressure thing, and the fact that you’re taking his side shows that him pinging you had the intended effect.
Pie does not have that much influence. Case in point - earlier in this very game when he raising suspicion against Ultra, which immediately got shot down by pretty much everyone. We are actually able to think for ourselves here. Only noobs tend to cling to Pie.
If you scum read me you scum read me I’m not going to fight it because it will just make you scum read me worse since apparently there is this narrative that I only pursue scum reads as scum. Which is ridiculous but if that’s what you all think than I will have to just keep being more active in games to show that’s not the case.
It's not merely that you are pursuing your scumreads, it's the way in which you are doing so. You feel a lot more fiery and intense about your scumreads as scum by my recollection.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@iamanabanana
Because why would you assume they wouldn't just read the thread and form their own conclusions? You tagging people like that feels like you are trying to use your "popularity" and reputation to entice people to take your side. You don't see me tagging everyone and their dog trying to sell my points. I assume they are grown adults who can read themselves. That's why it feels manipulative, almost like you are trying to capitalize on hoping they are lazy enough to bandwagon you here.
This argument makes no sense to me. Pie posted a thread asking people to compare your behavior in the hopes that people would... Just be too lazy to do so and just vote for you? If he was trying to lean on his own popularity, why not just do exactly that?
Created:
Posted in:
As for Banana... Yeah, I don't really like her strong aggression here. It feels different from the way she normally talks about her scumreads as town. I'll have to go back and look at her previous games, but I'm not liking her behavior right now.
Created:
Posted in:
I genuinely do not see the point in having Wylted confirm his role. It's just asking for the equivalent of a mislynch on DP1, and I townread Wylted rn. I do not support having Wylted demonstrate his role at all.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mikal
No I think her style of posting and how she attacked you is similar to her scum game with me. It’s a weak read but I think the posting style and direct attack is meant to deflect.
I can see that. I myself am not sure whether the post attacking Savant more likely came from scum Banana or town Banana. It did kinda come out of nowhere.
Created:
Posted in:
You know, there's something about this game that I don't think has been brought up yet, and I think it's interesting that it hasn't been mentioned.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Savant
Ultra - Null - Hasn't been active enough in previous games for me to know their personality.
Ultracrepidarian and Owen_T are the same person in case you didn't know.
Created:
Posted in:
I will say that #158 is a sharply towny post from Mikal, however. That's some solid tell spotting.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
I feel like you do this basically every game and as usual, I end up town.
You know, one of these times I'm going to end up being right, lol.
The reason I was leaning scum on you was because your push on Ultra felt opportunistic to me. I wouldn't expect him to open like that as scum. He's a fairly passive player as both alignments, but seems to be slightly more involved as town from my memory. Also, he didn't mastermind the CC in Villainous Villains, his partners literally told him to do that. I will say, however, that since you've backed down a bit, you're now close to null again for me. Not just because you backed off your read, but the way in which you did.
As for Mikal, his aggressive scumread on me right at the beginning of this game also felt a bit opportunistic, and I'm really not sure I believe in his 'reaction tests'. I don't think I've seen him do that as town before. His progression from scumreading me to including me in the town block also feels unnatural. More generally, something about him just feels different to me this game, more like his behavior in Game Shows than Skyrim or Feminism. I can't quite put my finger on why exactly, it's just vibes, but I don't like them.
Created:
Posted in:
Pie and Mikal both feel off to me somehow. I feel like there's probably at least one scum between them. I'll elaborate later, but I don't like how Mikal entered the game or how Pie is approaching solving it.
Created:
Posted in:
Unvote
Actor is a scummy claim and rarely appears in practice, but I believe the character claim and I'm willing to buy it since Wylted did open by saying he'd be slower to vote. My gut tells me he's telling the truth.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mikal
I think Pie is scum. Based on the above
Can you elaborate?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Savant
@WyIted
I'm fine getting an explicit character claim from him. Scum know the theme, so if he's town they've probably figured out his role anyway.
I support this. I don't think he's actually Hitler.
VTL WyIted
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Savant
The name of the game reminded me of this show "Atypical" that I saw the first season of on Netflix a while back about a kid with autism. When I saw it was a hint to the theme, I assumed it the characters were all going to be either people on the autism spectrum or things having to do with autism.
I had the same thought, and my character backed up this idea.
Do your characters have anything to do with animal rights and/or were they vegetarian?
Not to my knowledge
Created:
Posted in:
I think it's obvious what Wylted is softing and it's... Really weird? Either it's a fake claim or my theme split idea is all wrong.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
What makes you say that? Only scum know the theme in advance based on OP.
Only scum know for sure, but Luna did say that the title of this game is a hint
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@iamanabanana
could you do the first letter of your last name? If not what would you be willing to soft claim?
Alright, if it's going to be that big of a deal, then I'll give the first letter of my last name. M.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mikal
By obscure I mean I think I know the theme but I’m not sure how prominent characters involved in it are considered.
Mine is definitely pretty prominent. If I'm right about what the theme split is, however, I'm not quite sure who else would be in the game.
Created:
Posted in:
Current Mafia:
Lunatic - Atypical Mafia
Sign ups:
N/A
In the Hopper:
Mharman
Mikal- Open dm concept
Savant
Casey Risk - Deltarune Mafia
On Hold:
Wylted - Lulsec
Created:
Posted in:
Light TR on Banana. Opening feels good to me. Mainly just vibes.
Created:
Posted in:
Wasn't expecting this game to start so soon. I'm pretty sure I already know the theme split.
I'm going to push back on first letter softclaims a bit. I think that they can be more revealing than might be obvious, though it does depend on what letter you have. I think that if I'm right about the theme split however, my character is not hard to guess from my letter.
I will, however, say that my character is male and quite famous.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
You're right, I just kinda glanced at your numbers and assumed you had made a common error. Oops.
Not sure how correct the assumption of 50/50 townsided/scumsided is, however. But that's mainly because a lot of games are well-balanced, so that would drive the odds even lower.
Not sure how correct the assumption of 50/50 townsided/scumsided is, however. But that's mainly because a lot of games are well-balanced, so that would drive the odds even lower.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
Odds are probably a bit too low because you're counting 'Whiteflame and Casey' separately from 'Casey and Whiteflame'. You gotta use the choose function. 9 choose 2 is 36 so assuming that both of us are in a 9-player game, there is a 1/36 chance that we are the scum team.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
Gaslighting refers to this movie where a guy was driving his wife crazy by turning the gas light just very slightly darker every single day so it was unnoticeable but if you look back like a week you noticed your in more darkness.
The movie was actually an adaptation of a stage play written prior. It is a great movie, tho. Highly recommend watching it if you've never seen it before.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
As far as balance goes, I didn’t care for it. I’d give both sides equal shots to win it, but the setup was going to be either incredibly townsided or scumsided based on the decisions of 1-2 players.I think whichever side lost the game would’ve always been a little frustrated with how they lost, as far as the setup mechanics go. Winning doesn’t feel super satisfying bc of it.Regardless, I’ve seen wayyyyy worse when it comes to setups. So if I lower my standards a bit, it was an ok start for a new setup creator.
I agree with pretty much all of this tbh. Swingy games can still be fun, but this was swingy in a bit of a weird way imo. But it's not bad for a first game. I still think it's crazy that you made a game called Feminism Mafia and didn't include Gloria Steinem, Susan B Anthony or Sojourner Truth at all, tho. That genuinely kind of blows me away.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@AdaptableRatman
That is what is being systematically done to me here by multiple users.
Look, if you genuinely believe that, then there is no reason for you to continue to use this site. I don't even mean this in a mean way, I'm just saying that if you think you are literally being abused, then the obvious best thing to do is to get away from your abusers to the best of the ability.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@AdaptableRatman
You can gaslight others, it wont work on me. That is what he was talking about.
I'm genuinely so tired of seeing people misuse the term 'gaslighting'. I'm not even saying this just to you in particular, I'm just saying this in general because I see it all the time and it genuinely pisses me off. Disagreeing with someone is not gaslighting. Even misleading or outright lying to someone is not inherently gaslighting. Gaslighting is a complex abuse strategy that involves lots of conditioning over time to make someone doubt their own thoughts, memories, and emotions. Unless you think that everyone here is involved in a complex plot to mentally abuse you (and somehow I can buy that you'd actually believe that), then no, no one here is involved in any gaslighting.
Created: