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@ILikePie5
I never said you’d 100% be scum. I just said there was a good chance because I’m getting vibes from Fast Food
Yeah but again this one liner doesn't respond to my argument. As usual. You are once again making it seem like you have a point while adressing nothing I've said. How does your statement that I am probably scum if evil flips town make any sense when the example you are using to substantiate that point is a game where I was scum defending scum?
You can keep trying. It’s not going to get anywhere.
Again you just dismissed my point though because you got caught logically making 0 sense. You are suggesting I am scum here, and I pointed out that lynching you is the hardest route possible. If scum's goal is to mis-lynch I should be going for evil right now, not defending him. Your posturing about how this lynch is going no where just proves my point inadvertently lol
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@ILikePie5
Cause he has never done it before? It detracts from his behavior? That’s what game is based on right?You don’t have to agree with it, but it is clearly different than other games.And scum are much more likely to include these things because of the perception townies get on them - again you can check put Wylted’s post last game.
I literally just went through every evil post. The only time he used "we" was one time in the pokemon game in that game I inked you. So yeah there is going to be a lot of firsts for everything. You admit that saying we is a null tell, but some how thing we included with obvious subtext of (town) suddenly makes this go from a null read to a full on scum read. That is such a wide leap that I can't see this as not being an oppertunistic af lynch.
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@ILikePie5
If Evil flips town then Lunatic is a good chance for scum. Just recall Fast Food Mafia when he was defending his partner Poly all day long.
Except for in that case poly was scum. You equating a scum defending scum situation to a scum defending town situation. Makes 0 sense. This is such an easy mislynch I could easily cede this argument at any point and hop onto it. Yet I am still pursuing the hardest fvcking lynch possible in trying to lynch you lol.
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@ILikePie5
Because it’s different from his previous words as town and we have 3 games to tell that. Never has he clarified with (town). Noob mafia would be worried about their appearance and clarify it to sound townie. You can ask Wylted about that for more details.
The (town) in we is so obvious subtext. This is absolutely ridiculous lol. There is going to be a lot of first words he uses when he only posts 5 times a day phase and this is his third game.
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@ILikePie5
Sure but everytime he’s used “we” by itself. Never has he felt to clarify that by adding (town) right after it. What changed? The answer is quite simple. Self-consciousness - it’s the sort of thing Wylted was harping on Poly last game about.My original post said this as well: “Town doesn’t have to clarify why they’re using “we” and “us.” Only scum worried about their image would use this - even more so from an inexperienced scum like Evil.”I was never on him for using we or us - this is a strawman. I was on him for clarifying it when he add (town) to it unlike previously.
How does the inclusion of the obvious part (town) make this leap from a null tell to "oh he is super obviously scum flor clarifying that "we" meant town even though that was already super obvious?!
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@whiteflame
Dude, I’m starting to get sick of this. I’ve pointed out that my reasoning isn’t based on the OMGUS several times, but you keep pointing back to the Pokémon game as evidence that he does it as town. I know he does it as town. I’ve defended him over it in this game. My reasoning has nothing to do with the OMGUS. I don’t know how many times I can say this before you acknowledge it. As my point.
First off, calm the fvck down. I am having this conversation with you assuming you are town, and want the best thing for town. Being open minded to having a civil discussion that opens into the possibility that you could be wrong in your assumption that evil is town isn't an attack on you and the goal isn't to make you feel like an idiot for being wrong, so there is no reason to be short with me unless you have motivations outside of hunting scum. I am adressing your arguments and also admitting they have merit to them, but think you are associating noob town tells or anti-town behavior with scum behavior. My purpose of highlighting times he has done similar things as town isn't to try and say you are wrong in a blanket, it's to get you to be open minded about these tells. I am not mis-representing you or saying these are your only argument. That you are getting "sick of this" makes me thing you aren't looking at this objectively and seeing only what you want to see.
I think a lot of your defense of Evil just speaks to what you’d expect of him as scum, and I can’t jive with that. We’ve never seen him as scum. We don’t know how he’d behave as scum. He’s a noob, and I suspect he’ll make noob mistakes as scum. I don’t think he’ll behave at all optimally, whether it’s about pushing a lynch on better targets or being more active and exhibiting a stronger defense of his efforts as scum. Should he be doing those things if he is scum? Yes. Would I be surprised if he was scum and wasn’t doing those things? No, and I think there’s enough behavioral reasons that separate him from his previous performances in the last two games to actively sus him in this game. I think distinguishing elements are better indicators with someone like him. You don’t have to agree, but that’s how I see it.
Most of my issue with buying evil as scum comes from my weariness at the wagon. I am trying to discern the legitimate reads from the illegitimate ones, and poly's, pies, and lebs ultimately feel weak. I know evil is an easy mislynch, because he's been mislynched 3 games in a rown now. If you notice in every single game he gets mislynched, scum are on his wagon every time. I am simply trying to learn from out mistakes of lynching him for this stuff in the past.
At the moment, based on what I’ve read so far, I would not consider a lynch on Pie. Nothing he’s said stands out to me as scummy, though there are nitpicky elements. I don’t agree that the use of “we” in Evil’s post is a scum slip, but I also don’t see Pie pushing it this hard as an indicator of his alignment.
Yeah but the timing of that quick swithc form town reading him was only 30 posts between. And the argument about pronouns seems to be his only real reason for that quick switch. If you think that it is a null tell as well that should stand out to you more. I know pie is feeding the confirmation bias into the evil lynch here, but it is something that should worry you more than it is I think...
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@Polyglot
What Pie is referring to is that Evil felt the need to say “(town)” in addition to “we”. There was no need for Evil to emphasize that the “we” is “(town)”
I don't see how the addition of town makes any difference to the general argument. The subtext that "we" is town is pretty obvious, and he has used we before.
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@ILikePie5
Good - now let’s try this again. When has town Evil ever said “we(town)” in any phrase before.
It's his third game and considering y our lucky to have more than 5 posts from him a day phase, I am sure there is a lot of firsts he will make as either affiliation. Even assuming you didn't just shoot your own argument in the foot since I pointed out he has used "we" before, this was a horrible argument.
Idc about this part it’s fluff.
It's not fluff. Being Anti-town isn't being scummy. That's an extremely relevant point here, is people seem to be attacking the infrastructure of evil's argument's here on merit of how well spoken he is about pursuing omgus lynches, and not being able to back it up argumentatively.
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@ILikePie5
He said "we" twice in that post. The subcontext is obviously grouping and referring to the rest of the players as a collective town. Both town and scum pursuade the masses this way
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@ILikePie5
Here’s a better question for anyone: what are the characteristics of noob mafia. And how they similar/different to that of noob town?
There are rarely blanket scum tells. There are things that can be read as scummy, but you take behaviors and you cross apply them with a person's history and how they show themselves to act. Anti-town isn't the same as scummy. Poly's watching of GP was anti-town but not scummy in comedians mafia for example. greyparrot claiming dp1 every game is anti-town but not scummy. That same behavior cross applied to a different player who doesn't usually do those things makes it scummy; hence why mistercrhis was scummy in wylteds game.
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Whiteflame Remember that time when evil omgus'd disc for voting him?
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6697-pokemon-indigo-league-mafia-dp-2?page=11&post_number=252
Yeah he was town there too. I think you are putting too much stock in the OMGUS thing with him.
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@ILikePie5
Again if he just used “we” and “us” I’d agree that it was null. But he specifically said “we (town)” and us “(town).”Have you seen that in any previous game where he was town? Cause I sure haven’t.
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@ILikePie5
I highlighted the reason why I changed. You’re welcome to go read the DP.
"Looking back Ig a scum Evil could OMGUS the same way as town Evil."
"Town doesn’t have to clarify why they’re using “we” and “us.” Only scum worried about their image would use this - even more so from an inexperienced scum like Evil"
Both of these are null tells. the first one admits itself it's a null tell and you have yet to explain on the second one why its less of a null tell because he is noob than it is for someone like me or you who isn't.
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@Polyglot
You got to work on that vote count. Numbers all off.
You been here the whole time? Your team mate telling you to stick around and be ready to hammer?
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@ILikePie5
I’m aggressive regardless of my affiliation. It’s what I said to Supa last game.
So what changed from when you said evil was town and then voted him 30 posts later other than whiteflames big push?
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@ILikePie5
For experienced people like us, yes I’d agree it’s a bill tell. But you have to keep in mind that Scum Evil would not be at all experienced. I don’t have a problem with him using us or we. It’s the (town) part.
I don't see how newness has any effect on the general principle that useing town pronouns grouping himself into the whole is any more or less of a scum tell. It's still pretty null.
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@whiteflame
Whiteflame, I didn't see his inital vote, I still think it is noob town though. He voted me in pokemon mafia because I changed my claim, even though I had claimed cop, so it's just not something that bothers me about him.
I'm not sure what his scum partner is doing. I think trying to consider that too deeply is likely to yield more uncertainty at this point than anything else, but I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if Pie was scum and was just bussing him.
Overthinking is one thing, but let's make sure we aren't dismissive of other things. If Evil is lynched here and flips scum, you will be forced to admit it was noob town making the things you saw as mistakes. IF you are right and the OMGUS was just a simple scum move, we should be analyzing his interactions with others. Which scum allows him to get lynched like this? It has to be another noob town. I suppose a pie bus is possible, but why did pie ship him as town early on and switch that easy if he was okay with bussing him the whole time? I think pie is morelikely to have tried to guide him out of this one.
I don't think it was a scum tactic. I think it was just how Evil operates.
Targetting the more active people, the ones who actually have pull? He targeted me in pokemon, despite claiming cop dp1, he targeted disc another active player, he targeted supa last game, who was an active player, he targets you now, a player who is active with a lot of pull. He never picks the easy target as town, which is why this indicates he is likely town here.
I've got my suspicions of Pie. I also think that, like I said before, Evil's flip will be far more instructive to us on Pie than anything that has been said so far. You're right that Pie will likely dismiss it as just misreading noob behavior, but that doesn't mean that he'll get away scot free if he tries to do so. And yeah, I agree that his focus on the pronouns is silly. I also don't think it's necessary to make his point, and I don't think it's particularly useful for him if he is scum, so I can't read that either way.
I am glad you seem to agree with me on pie. Would you be open to that lynch this day phase if a lynch on evil is unlikely?
The impression I'm getting is that everyone who isn't on the lynch at the moment reads this as noob behavior. If this kind of thing was coming from one of the longer standing players, the lynch would already have gone through. You're the only one to specify that that is your reason, it doesn't mean that you're the only one giving him that pass.
Poly is just waiting for an excuse to hammer, probably would have by now if I hadn't been active early to dissuade scum from wanting to pull the trigger.
And I've pointed out the differences between his behavior in that game and in this one. So yes, if he had persisted in that response, I would have townread him for that.
It all boils down to the same thing; Bad decisions that are easy to dis-agree with. At some point you realize you are fighting an uphill battle expecting every player to play in a way that benefits town. I used to yell at GP all the time for his playstyle and eventually realize my words were wind with him. You can only policy lynch someone much before you determine they are unable to learn the lesson. You can't fix stupid.
Can't say I'm convinced by the similarity. I think he has as much reason to give this response as town and as scum, don't see a reason to townread him over it.
It's a low effort seemingly careless defense. I think he puts more effort into this as scum, there is more at stake. He mentioned he never gets placed on scum team because he is a noob, I think this response holds up to that mentality. I feel a more genuine effort would come from him if he was actually scum.
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Evil being mislynched in pokemon: Y’all are making a mistake on this one and Disc is just misleading y’all.. can’t you all see ?
Evil being lynched in vanilla mafia: I have told you guys repeatedly that I’m innocent but you don’t wanna give me a chance.
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@whiteflame
Whiteflame assuming evil is lynched here, who is his scum partner? What type of communication do you see happening in the scum pm to allow him to do and say the things he's saying?
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pie being "open to lynch bron" makes me hesitant to want to lynch bron tbh lol
my current feeling is that poly or pie maybe both are likely scum
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
I think Evil is town. Bron I’d be open to
Why did pie think evil was town on page 3
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@whiteflame
If Luna wants to push a lynch on Pie, then Evil's flip will certainly be instructive in that, so I don't know that we stand to lose anything meaningful by lynching him.
Oh it will be? Please provide more thoughts on how pie is suspect for partaking in this lynch. I happen to agree, just find it interesting that you happen to be okay with his participation on the lynch now since it happens to line up with your own reasoning here. Not that I would ever accuse you of confirmation bias or anything ;-)
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@whiteflame
If we weren't considering other facets of his behavior, like his about-face on the reason why he VTL'd me or his decision to parrot reasoning from both Luna and me as a means of making his behavior look more in line with the rest of us, then I would have good reason not to sus him here.
1. He didn't vote you he had a mild suggestion that we lynch you that he never followed up or really put an effort in. So stop saying he about faced on that when it never even happened.
2. He didn't parrot me on poly read, he simply asked poly if he had other reads lol. His scum pile in post 153 doesn't even name poly as a scum suspicion. You on the other hand have pie actually parroting you oppertunisticly.
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@whiteflame
He's done this exact same thing before: he gave an OMGUS response to Disc as scum in the Pokemon game.
And he was town in the pokemon game.. Hmmm
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@whiteflame
In general, I'm amazed we're giving Evil so many chances here. Anyone else would have been lynched by this point, and the only reason we're holding off is that some people see this as noob behavior.
For the record, I am literally the only person giving him noob pass right now, so you can just call me out by name here. Oh and btw you used the pronoun "we're". By pie's logic you are scum.
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@whiteflame
When you ask why he would suggest a lynch on me, it's because I VTL'd him
Let's keep in mind the vote you had on evil was clearly a reaction test, and first post 4 pages later doesn't even mention your vote on him, so whether it is actually OMGUS is really just your interpretation of things. If it was true omgus, I'd have expected him to at least mention the vote on him as reason for his reactionary vote
I don't think there was any scum-based calculation involved in that choice, nor do I think the effort to push that lynch was scummy
So where is the scum based calculation now? We know there are two scum, so is his scum partner okay with this lynch? Why isn't he guiding evil in a different direction? Evil basically seems to already be admitting defeat if you look at post 163. You guys keep expecting him to make a better argument for himself, if he was scum don't you think now would be about time to do that?
His decision to push the lynch, if he'd continued it or just decided that the lack of support meant he should hop off of it, would have led me to view him as null or even townread him.
How serious do you actually think he was about lynching you, considering he didn't even vote you when he suggested it lol. And again, why you of all people? Scum don't calculate this out and say "Oh whiteflame will be an easy lynch, lets go for him and see who bites". That's a town move, and it takes balls. If you are town and genuinely interested in scum hunting, you do something like that. Sure he reason is probably horrible or whatever, but it's the motive we should be looking at.
Again, I think you're misrepresenting my point. It's not the fact that he hopped off of the lynch that's scummy, it's the excuse he gave for hopping off that makes me sus him. I've already explained this multiple times, including in the post you responded to here, so I don't see much point in addressing it further.
I am not trying to mis-represent your point. If you are expecting some grand case from evil genius that makes his every decision sound like a brilliant one, you will be sorely dis-appointed is all I am saying. His reasons for suggesting your lynch may have been poor, but he never actually voted you or seriously put an effort into lynching you beyond that post, so he couldn't really substantiate a reason for "backing off of it" as you are suggesting he should. I think you are making a bigger deal out of his prospected motives then you ought to. That said I still think you believe this is a genuinely good lynch based on your comments here. Debating with you whether evil is behaving noob town vs scum with you is probably a waste of time. If he does flip scum I'll probably feel a fool anyway. I am mostly suspicious of this wagon based on other's votes and reasoning here making less sense than yours however. Pie in particular.
What do you think of pie claiming evil was town when he responded to wylted's pressure early on? This was before evil ever even made a post. And now he is full send trying to lynch evil. What do you think of his reasoning of using the terms "us" and "We" as making evil scum indicative? Do you agree with pie that this verbiage is only used by scum, or do you see that as being oppertunistic at all?
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Let's lynch pie here, is reasons for lynching evil are the most oppertunistic out of all. Oh sure he will defend the logic behind the lynch, anyone could, but as town I think pie would be more open to considering the noob town aspects. This is an easy lynch and one that he sees that he won't have a hard time defending himself from later on. An easy mislynch.
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@Polyglot
If your hope is that he is going to sound more smart or something or give a better argument for his defense, I think you are SOL on that. There are certain players who you just have to take with a grain of salt. That isn't to say that they aren't capable of of making mistakes as scum, just that they are more likely to make them as town.
Just think about his motives here; his push on whiteflame wasn't really a push even though we are acting as if it was. He never even voted whiteflame. What was his goal as scum here? What was he trying to accomplish? Was his scum partner telling him to do that, if so why? Why isn't his scum partner not begging him to make a better defense here? Evil is basically already giving up and assuming he is being lynched. Seems very similar to pokemon game.
"Y’all are making a mistake on this one and Disc is just misleading y’all.. can’t you all see ? " - Pokemon dp3
"I have told you guys repeatedly that I’m innocent but you don’t wanna give me a chance." - Vanilla Mafia DP1
The similarities are striking. Clearly not the best defense but it's the only way he knows how to defend himself. If you think you will get something better than that you will likely be dis-appointed.
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@Polyglot
Are you having seconds thoughts on evil? You haven't voted yet, so I assume you are willing to not cede to confirmation bias. Just because I am arguing with you about this doesn't ean you have to double down on this. I would think wisely about this before you hammer.
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@Polyglot
So I’m suspicious to you because I pointed out suspicious activity in another player?
I think evil is kind of obvious noob town here. I feel like a lot of the people participating on his wagon besides maybe whiteflame know he is an easy mislynch. Seeing people over analyze some of the stuff he says and act as if they believe he is digging himself a hole deeper for having a bad argument is kind of just a pre-justification for participating in a bad lynch because the victim is "asking for it". It's an easy and oppertunist lynch for scum to be a part of so naturally I am wary of people who seem more than eager to hop on board this with less than authentic feeling reasons.
Also, here it seems like you believe Evil is town. You haven’t said much about all the scummy actions he has done this day phase.My guess is you are anticipating Evil to flip innocent and trying to paint me as scummy to lead a second mislynch next day phase.
My goal here is to look into the motives of people who are on this lynch. I went as far as to say I think wylted and whiteflame are probably genuine on this lynch. Your reasons for being on this lynch don't feel as natural, same with pie and leb. Your motivations feel more oppertunistic. So yes, I hope town is able to look at the lynch wagon objectively and identify those who appear more oppertunist here.
I am literally the only person vying that evil is more likely noob town here. If I was scum it makes no sense for me to do this, as I could easily have hammered or voted for similar reasons here.
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I'd really like to see a pie lynch here. I think there is a good chance he is scum. He is an pretty aggressive scum player, and this is a very oppertunistic lynch for him. I feel like next to leb, he's got one of the worst reasonings for being on board the evil lynch. I don't see me being able to convince anyone to board this lynch, but I hope it's one that people give thought to in future day phases, especially if I am killed tonight. His reason feels more manufactured. Even if you agree with him that evil is the right way to go here, I would ask that you look past your confirmation bias and look into his specific reasons for participating on the lynch and judge for yourself whether it seems legit or manufactured given it is a pretty convienent lynch. I don't get the vibe he actually wants to lynch scum here. This seems more like an oppertunity lynch for him.
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Not sure how I feel about supa yet. Kind of want to town read him, but the fact that he town reads me is ironically what makes me hesitant, because as town he is usually paranoid about me, so it suggests he has inside information if he is town reading me lol
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Top 3 suspects are drleb, ilikepie, and polyglot.
Wylted and whiteflame's participation on the lynch seems more genuine, though I suppose I can see a world whiteflame is brazenly leading this lynch as scum as well. Wylted is usually part of lynches like these, though I could be wrong on him as well.
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@Evilgenius
Somebody swing the hammer .. I’m done convincing y’all..
If you are town, don't be so willing to die. Who are you most suspicious of on your wagon?
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@ILikePie5
Town doesn’t have to clarify why they’re using “we” and “us.” Only scum worried about their image would use this - even more so from an inexperienced scum like Evil
This is a horrible argument. I use these pro-nouns often as town, pretty sure you and others have too. If anything this is a town slip, as he is naturally thinking and coming from an perspective where he realizes the only way to accomplish anything is by influencing his team, where in order to do that he would have to refer to his team as "us" and "we" to make any collective decision. At best this is a null tell.
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@whiteflame
My impression, as I said earlier, is that his OMGUS response to me is just what he normally goes for, whether as scum or as town (hard to say if that's true because we haven't seen him as scum, but we have to infer as best we can). So, no, I don't think his goal was to feign activity. I think his goal was just to get frustrated that there was a lynch on him, and, as with Disc, push a lynch on the person he dislikes as a result.
There wasn't a lynch on him though. He wasn't really any under pressure. Why does he suggest a lynch on you, someone he knows to be very active and one of the more convincing townies? All that would do is garner attention to himself. It's not like he said he knew y ou were scum or anything, he just was suggesting an idea to move the game forward, and didn't even cast his vote on you. You voted him first actually.
I wouldn't have blamed him for eventually hopping off of the lynch. Hell, even his doing it now isn't particularly sus. It was more the excuse he gave - that he was just trying to rope me into the game - that stands out. That's clearly not what he was trying to do, and it's also virtually identical to what I told him after he sussed me for VTLing him early on. It's the nature of the decision to hop off the lynch, not so much the fact that he did hop off of it, that makes him sus to me.
Just because he's not effective at getting the ball rolling doesn't mean he genuinely didn't have an intention to. He was also never on the lynch to hop on. He is a bad luck brian meme here. He suggested an idea that got quickly shot down and turned oon him.
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@ILikePie5
A very detail oriented individual just doesn’t respond to my inquiry. Very strange indeed.
Let's be honest here, there isn't a world where any question he could have answered from you would satisfy you enough to unvote. You have everything you want and know he is dumb enough to dig his own grave with his answer, and then when he flips town you can avoid any and all blame here because evil is just retarded/noob town or whatever you will say.
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I feel like poly is going to come in and hammer. Looking out for him as scum too. Even if he doesn't participate in the wagon via activity his heart is with it.
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If Evil flips town town here the only pass should be given to whiteflame, who I think genuinely thinks this is the right lynch. While I believe it's a misguided lynch (not that we are at a real loss here from losing evil) I think Whiteflame genuinely abides the reasons he is giving, and likely doesnt have scum motive for the lynch. I am slightly more suspicious of the other votes on this wagon. Steel don't feel good about pie and drleb being on it either, wylted I can see being on this lynch as maybe town here, but still he could also be scum motivated here.
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I feel kind of sus on poly. He's going really hard on evil trying to restate the obvious here, as if evil is the only option lol.
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@whiteflame
I get the impression that he responded as normal to me and pushed a lynch that definitely wasn't going to happen. He then shifted behaviors when he realized that people were sussing him based on his attempts to push the lynch
Actually, If you acknowledge the lynch wasn't likely to happen though, what real motive does he have as scum to push it? Feign activity? I mean he has put less effort than this before, and usually omgus's people as town. The effort to get the ball rolling here kind of looks townie. He's getting voted because of it, and considering how many times he has been mislynched lately I don't necessary blame him for shifting positions.
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@whiteflame
I won't dispute the logic, but there's certain players I think are likely to make these mistakes as town, and I happen to feel like evil will be a mislynch here. Not that he's a particularlly great loss either, and if he is mislynched it would be hard to blame anyone on his wagon. My only alternative remains pie however for earlier stated reasons, so I realize that may not be especially convincing to everyone.
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I don't think evil is scum. What benefit does his strategy aid scum? It's kind of like poly in last game, it is so dumb its probably town.
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Always bringing politics into it. Hope you’re like your mental patient in the White House.
I never defended Biden at every turn like you do with Trump lol, that's the difference. You actually admire and look up to that fvck. You wanna bring insults into it and call me a retard but get offended when I call you a cultist. Hilarious!
Clear and concise always wins. Hate to rain on your parade…again.
It's not clear and concise, it's lazy and it makes you think you got the last word when in reality you don't respond to most of my actual argument. It's why your a shit debater lol
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@ILikePie5
I already said we were lynching Chris anyways. We were arguing over my affiliation. As a townie im not allowed to defend myself?
There was literally no point the argument, we were already settled on lynching chris. My scum read on you was that you were inflating your read on chris from what it was originally to make it look like you were participating more than you were. You were literally inflating reality to make it look like you were more committed to his lynch than you actually were. All for the sake of your ego. I had stopped responding to you, because there was literally no point trying to convince you that you were scum especially before we knew Chris's flip. You were arguing with me for the sake of having the last word like you always do.
You started this for no reason rather than scum hunting. I don’t have anything against you.
Who says scum hunting can't also take place while we do this? If you argument is that it makes the day phase a mess, well I'll leave it up to you to fix that. I don't think you have it in you though. Your sense of pride is too large.
You can keep repeating what you’ve been saying just like and keep calling yourself out at the same time lol
I know I am equally guilty in doing this. But I am not going to stop. I am going to keep playing this game with you til you get tired of it and stop being a little bitch. I did the same thing to drafterman lol. At least with him it was intellectually stimulating. You are one of the worst debaters I've ever seen lol.
If you’re town you would have no reason to start this fiasco. It’s a vanilla game - behavior is king and that leaves a lot of room for misreads/disagreements
You've proven to me that this fiasco is unavoidable. We are the two loudest in the room, so every game will be this way until you decide to grow up and suck up your pride. Which I doubt will happen, so let's do town a favor and just get this out of the way every game day phase 1. The game I stop doing it with you is the game I plan on vigging you or night killing you np1.
I mean you yourself admitted I was right that it was painfully obvious Supa was scum. Idrc what he thinks. Objectively he was scummy and WF just made a mistake because he overthought it. I figured out scum as Chris. I got you and Poly. I had WF but died first when he was with Supa (Wylted was on the right track). I’ve been wrong about many reads (Bron last game). POE is an objective procedure.
Supa scum slipped and you also knew at that point was his affiliation was anyway because I had told you lol. You didn't figure out shit with chris, you got caught being lazy and inactive and doubled down on a read by stealing my own read of chris and pretending it was yours all along. Me and poly were associated due to his lack of activity, so we pretty much had to lock each other together. You didn't figure out anything, it was simple POE and it mathematically worked out that it had to be me/poly or you/whiteflame. Since you were town you would have obviously known it was me/poly, that was wylted's game to decide.
You’re proving yourself wrong as well. You’re guilty of doing the exact same thing I’m doing. You just think big blocks of text prove you know what you’re saying but people are lazy. Know your audience.
I never said I wasn't doing my part to being guilty here, I just think you are the fundamental issue here. You will keep this going because you wanna show off how big of a fvcking dick you have, so go ahead lol. At least I am willing to acknowledge that one of us getting lynched here is an overall benefit so this sh1t doesn't have to continue for more than a day phase. Get your rocks off by going at it with me and constantly trying to have the last word. I'll keep it going to. You don't care about mafia. You want to do this. This is what you really came here for lol. So let's do it. Whack off your tiny little pathetic wanker while you do it if it helps lmao.
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@Evilgenius
You are on my scum pile already. Why do you wanna eliminate me? I’m Vanila.Vtl WF
I'll vote for you as president of Dart if you help me lynch pie.
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@ILikePie5
He’s being a retard for no reason lol but hey I’m all for lynching retards
Says the retarded Trump cultist. Irony X'D
Lunatic started the argument for no reason besides to OMGUS after I asked Wylted if he wants to lynch him. Still townread him?
Dismissing my entire argument with a one liner. Classic pie.
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@ILikePie5
See here’s the thing. No one is gonna read this. If you wanna be an asshole when our arguments have literally never been when we are both town that’s on you.
You proved an example of arguing with me when we were both town for the sake of arguing with me. The fact that you ignored that brick of text and responded with a one liner thus proving my point is fvcking hilarious btw.
We both haven’t been town and argued for quite some time now. And I’m more than happy to continue this streak if you don’t want to do it either. If I’m stubborn I’m just one side of the coin.
This is a dick measuring contest for you. The fact that you are saying you are more than happy to continue this streak is proof of that lol. This is all posturing. This is a game for inside the game, and you fvcking love it.
This is just abundantly false. I’ve had a motive to do it every game. Fast Food you were scum and therefore it’s my job to convince town. Pokémon I was scum so it’s my job to divert town. You can get yourself lynched all day - better yet: just don’t signup lol if you’re so worried.
You arguing with me now is all the proof I need that this is an ego trip for you. It doesn't matter who is town or who is scum here. You want to have the last word, no matter what it takes, even if it means losing. And if town loses you get to blame me for this or someone else. You being right in the end game is so important to you that the genuine purpose of the game is absolutely lost. You think you won that argument with supa because you had the last word in the endgame thread didn't you? That's all winning is to you, is getting the last word. I am not gonna give you what you want. You can keep posturing and saying you always knew who scum were and that everything was an easy solve because you are too small to admit your a fragile human. But I'll keep calling you out on your bullshit.
Helped scum (me) though. If he doesn’t want to put the same amount of effort then that’s on him.
Okay so you basically concede my entire point here then logically. If doing what we are doing now (which you are encouraging and egging on by saying "Im more than happy to continue this") is detrimental to the town, then me trying to policy lynch you for blatantly throwing is the most pro town thing I can do. So thanks for proving me right.
No it’s cause I’m trying to convince Town why I’m right and you’re wrong. We were arguing over my affiliation when I know I’m town. It’s mafia, that’s how the game works. If you want to be lynched every game DP1 keep on with the act.
If you really think you can convince people to lynch me while at the same time proving my point good luck. But if that happens it's still a win win, because other people have the capacity to ignore you, so my absence from the game will be less distracting for town, and I have accomplished my goal regardless.
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