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@WyIted
Might be worth going more in-depth to explain why you give x amount of points to each player. Not necessarily this instant, but I don't know whether to trust your reads if you don't really explain them.
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
You still have votes on JoeBob. How do you feel about his claim?
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@AustinL0926
We already have three claims and might get a fourth from Moozer, but we can get one from Earth tomorrow.
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VTL Moozer for now. We can wait before the last few hours before hammering.
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If he's decided to bow out and not defend himself, that's on him. We can give him until the last hour of the day phase before we lynch him, but I don't think we should keep him alive just because.
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@whiteflame
If it was up to me, I'd get rid of Moozer today. He's a possible strongman, and I'd be the likely target of that role tonight.
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@whiteflame
I'd be fine with that, but Austin doesn't want to lynch Moozer at the moment and I'd rather not be fighting another battle with him. Despite Moozer's low activity, I can't think of anyone else I'd feel safer lynching at the moment.
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@whiteflame
If that's the case, it means JoeBob lied about his game claim and found a game where he'd have a rb role. Which is not something I think JoeBob would come up with since he's new.
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@AustinL0926
Are you down to lynch Moozer or do you still want a claim from Earth?
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
If I had to lynch anyone at the moment, it would be Moozer.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
Unvote
I'm inclined to townread JoeBob rn, but how does everyone else feel?
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@JoeBob
I'm definitely going to want a full claim from you regardless of what Earth does, so probably best to give it now.
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Moozer claimed last of those three, so he's my top scum read rn. Second is JoeBob, since Earth claimed early.
VTL JoeBob for claim, though.
VTL JoeBob for claim, though.
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@AustinL0926
I think we'll find at least one scum in [Earth, JoeBob, Moozer] since pretty much everyone else has been town read by multiple others.
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@AustinL0926
Ftr, I still don't like Savant's behavior but I don't rly see the point of pushing it further (at least on DP1) if he agrees to drop his ridiculous push.
I unvoted you last night dude
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And if my reasons for suspecting Moozer aren't obvious, I'll reiterate what's already been said. He jumped on the Austin train too conveniently without giving a good reason for it.
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@Lunatic
You, whiteflame, and Austin all agreeing is enough to make me reconsider. You can't all be scum.
Unvote
VTL Moozer
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
I'm sure Austin will accuse me of grasping at straws, but here's another theory...
I strongly suspect that Austin is "liking" his own posts. At first, I wasn't sure of it, but a significant number of his posts have been liked, despite no one except whiteflame coming out and defending him. So who is anonymously liking these posts where Austin defends himself but not openly supporting Austin? I don't think that would make sense. Either WF or Austin is doing it, and they're both smart enough that it's clearly an effort to sway the opinions of town members.
The final piece of evidence was Luna's post being liked when only Austin, Luna, and I were online. I didn't like it, and I don't see why Luna would do it. So that means Austin has liked at least one post in the thread, maybe out of habit.
All it would take to debunk this theory is for someone else to say they liked several of Austin's posts. If JoeBob or Casey or someone has been liking them, then that solves the mystery. Otherwise, Austin has been liking his own posts in an effort to sway opinions, which comes across to me as strongly suspicious.
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@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@JoeBob
@Moozer325
But the way you've been pushing on me all day feels like an attempt to abuse your "confirmed" townie status to try and push a mislynch through with poor logic.
All right, Austin is definitely trying to expand POE, which is exactly what I expected he would do if he was scum. So yeah, I'm going to keep pushing him, and the more he tries to shift attention to Moozer the more confident I will be about this.
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@Lunatic
We have enough people acting scummy that I am almost certain you are town. We really need your input here.
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@AustinL0926
Pretty sure there's at least one scum between [Moozer, Savant, Wylted],
Wait, you're actually buying Wylted's objection to my cop claim as a possibility? Wylted I understand because he's weird, but it doesn't make any sense for you to see me as a possible scum. This just justifies my decision to claim early even more, because claiming cop as scum would automatically be a huge risk, and no scum would claim cop after only two votes. This just seems like an attempt by Austin to expand the POE pool.
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@WyIted
The makers of loose change for example, likely had IQs of 145 or above.
Nicest thing I've heard anyone say about Ja Rule.
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@WyIted
I won't contest you finding these illogical, since arguing over this would likely consume a lot of the day phase, but I will explain why I made these decisions.
The claim after one vote. Not a logical error maybe just inexperience.
I claimed after two votes, not one. Mostly because I thought I would eventually have to at least say I was confirmable or reveal something about my role (which has gotten me attacked the first night multiple times) and because I knew Austin is very aggressive and would likely pursue a lynch once his mind was made up like this. Claiming early gets me a ton of town cred and lets me direct the lynch effort, which has already revealed a lot about where Austin, Moozer, and wf stand.
The statement that either me or Austin must be scum.
You said you are 90% sure Austin is scum, so while it's not definite, if you are town, it's pretty likely that Austin is scum. I find it unlikely that you would be tunneling if you are this sure. I also find it unlikely that both of you are tunneling each other.
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@AustinL0926
Your most recent game was the one you were barely active, so I picked a different one rather than your second-most-recent.
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@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Sry, that's not why I did it. Much as I think Austin is being petty here, Wylted, look at Mahabharata as well. Maybe it will explain my behavior as well.
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@WyIted
Can you list out the logical leaps you think I made? Maybe I can try and address them.
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@WyIted
We can fight that battle later if you insist on it, but in the interest of not derailing things, I'd won't push that for now.
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@WyIted
Pie has a cop in almost all of his games.
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@WyIted
until I figure out WTF is going on with savant
I'm an un-cc'd cop, so it really doesn't matter what is going on with me, because you know there's a 99.9% chance I'm not scum.
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@WyIted
You believe he is scum, which would make it true that either he or you is scum. That's what I mean. You should be fine with betting your life against his if you are 90% sure Austin is scum.
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@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Another thing I should mention that ties a lot of this together imo is that when Austin and I were scum, he said that people tend to care more about how confident you seem than about how logical you are. In my opinion, that explains a lot of Austin's defense, in which he seems to prioritize coming across super confident and as if he is "winning," rather than about making a substantial defense.
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@AustinL0926
Right now you, Wylted, and I all agree that either you or he is scum. As I see it, our best play is to lynch you and then lynch Wylted if you flip innocent. I also want to get Luna's opinion, because it will inform a lot of how I read whiteflame's and your posts.
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@whiteflame
WyIted might be referring to the Invincible game, because that's what I linked to.
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@Lunatic
I'd like to get your take on the game so far, especially on Austin's behavior.
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@AustinL0926
Yet you apparently decided that this gave you carte blanche to not be considered as a lynch on DP1. That's the definition of coasting.
This is a strawman of what I said. I said "The odds are very strong that I did not lie about my game, which allows you to narrow down my role. Shouldn't be difficult to determine if I am scum later." Which part of that is not true? I was referring to Wylted voting me early based on very limited information.
We should triple the US government's spending. Not really gonna specify my reasons, but in my view it makes the legislator's cases stronger.
If Wylted accuses you without a good reason, that makes him look pretty suspicious tomorrow. You're making a very obvious false analogy, and you should know better. The fact that you aren't accusing Wylted despite soundly disagreeing with his logic is also kind of suspicious. It makes me think you may believe he has a good reason to suspect you, and that him being revealed as town would implicate you. Town Austin would have scum read Wylted by now, especially in combination with his early vote. Instead, you jumped on his wagon and then criticized him later for not making sense while also avoiding accusing him.
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@AustinL0926
someone is mad at me for voting them
I'm not mad you voted me, I just think your reasoning for doing so was not very sound. You accused me of coasting on being the first claim, but it was early in the day phase with limited information. I was just saying that I was not a good person to lynch on dp1, given the information that we knew so far. I also voted you because WyIted also suspects you for other reasons, which in my view makes the case against you stronger.
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@Casey_Risk
Stands for OMG, you suck! Refers to accusing someone because they accused you despite little actual reasoning for suspecting them.
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@AustinL0926
You win games by attacking scum, not defending yourself.
If you're being suspected and you know your town, attacking people is not going to help because we don't know to trust your reads. Something like a soft claim might at least stop the wagon for the time being and allow us to give some credence to your reads. We're not going to move on just because you say you're town and accuse someone else.
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@whiteflame
He saw indications from your play that made you seem scummy to him, not what I would call an OMGUS.
I'm referring to him attacking Moozer and the people voting against him rather than explaining why he himself is likely town. And of course he gives a reasonable-sounding reason for that, that's how scum Austin would OMGUS.
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@WyIted
At this point, you should give some justification for why you suspect Austin. It's going to impact where the rest of the town falls on this wagon.
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No matter how Austin flips, it's going to reveal something. If he's town, Moozer is probably scum. If he's scum, whiteflame is probably his partner.
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Austin's behavior is much more OMGUS than mine was, he's just avoided voting against Moozer so he won't be accused of attacking people for voting against him.
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@AustinL0926
This is part of why I scum read you. You immediately went to attacking people who voted against you instead of explaining why you are likely town. At this point, I want at least a role claim.
VTL Austin
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I missed a lot of stuff somehow, like Savant claiming the doctor
Well, point proven
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@whiteflame
I wouldn't say I'm "convinced" Austin is guilty either, but I've got as much reason to suspect him of being scum as anyone else, if not more. Who would you rather put on the chopping block, if it was up to you?
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@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
@Moozer325
If you're willing to stick your neck out to accuse Austin (which imo matters more than the reasoning itself), I'm fine with lynching him this day phase. But I'd like to hear from others (and Austin) before I vote.
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