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Then stop whining on his behalf. He does enough of that for himself although in the same sentence he says "its all water off a duck's back" to him.
Whining on his behalf would be me asking you to stop. I think you should keep trolling and goading him, but stop making lame excuses for it though.
Just say he's a Bible-Stupid Christian and you like clowning on Christians.
It's not that complicated.
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@Stephen
Lmao.
Stop hiding behind excuses for your relentless attacks on Tradesecret, one of the least problematic members in the religious community.
You just described the typical christian. I couldn't care less if you want to troll said person or remind them of their lies, but quit acting like they're this evil person.
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@TWS1405_2
I wholeheartedly agree!!!!As I see it now, knowing the behavior and attitude of the four mentioned, there will most certainly be some inequitable treatment of some members, me included.
Actually, you should reconsider this point as you might find yourself siding with me on this once we discuss why.
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@RationalMadman
I'm sure you won't find the terms of this truce unreasonable.
Since you tend to be fairly straightforward and direct, I'll just be blunt without the rudeness as you might appreciate this style of communication.
Let's be clear about what it is I am not doing.: I am not trying to make amends, I am not trying to apologize to you, I am not seeking your trust, or your forgiveness. I feel no remorse for how I treated you and I meant every word I said.
Admitting that my own actions are what got me banned doesn't mean I feel guilty, just that I'm at fault for what happened. I broke the rules and I was punished, simple as that. The vote-bombing is a separate issue and it's neither my fault nor my problem. It's not something I arranged.
The truce doesn't require us to be friends or allies. We can hate each other and still tolerate each other. It is only a mutual agreement to be civil.
Literally that simple.
I don't care about being banned, I made that pretty clear 2 weeks ago. If I wanted to continue being hostile when I returned, I would've just kept shit-talking and bullying you.
I've simply moved on from this feud honestly. It's boring and pointless. We can perpetuate it as long as you want to, but I really have no intention or desire of doing so.
I mean I get that you're probably frothing at the mouth wanting to shit-talk me, but seriously ask yourself if you find this drama as cringey and lame as I do.
I may have started a lot of this shit, but I'm calling it off now.
It's over.
I will not acknowledge you, I will not respond to you, I will not even type your name. There will be no debates between us.
Until this concept is crystal clear to you, then you can fight your one-sided war against me and deal with your misery and self-dissatisfaction alone.
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@RationalMadman
Knowing how much you missed me, you were probably grateful it was only a 2 week vacation.
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@n8nrgim
I certainly think that's an interesting position.
But I'm not sure any activity is good activity. If we assume Mike's intent is to grow the site, then banning racial slurs would have to be enforceable, me thinks.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'm not here to convince you of anything, except that not making these four moderators is a missed opportunity.
Speculation about the details regarding my ban are pointless, as the evidence is your word versus mine.
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So it was the safest and most secure debate poll in history? That's good :pStrange how you expect others to look into issues deeper and not simply declare "that's all you need to know about him", but don't act that way yourself.
I have no such expectations.
If people wish to investigate, I simply explain how it can be done, but it's not a requirement.
But you asked a specific question, so you got a specific answer. If you want more info, you need to ask for more info.
It seems fairly clear that if the site owner wanted mods to be selected by vote he would have mods selected by vote. This "fake it till you make it" stuff is unlikely to convince him.You listed four people, that's like a third of the active user base.
The site owner regularly requests feedback, so it's not entirely pointless to make suggestions.
Whether he takes the advice is up to him.
Maybe before you go creating a police force you should fix the problem that the law book is unclear, then mods would have less room for inequitable treatment and more protection from criticism.
One step at a time.
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@Best.Korea
I have a different position for him in mind that he'd be open to.
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Weren't you thrown out for a conspiracy to cheat the debate poll?
No, that was a frame-job committed by the person who got me banned.
Why are you talking about security and stability? Role playing as the deep state?
There is corruption in the deep state. To fight it, we need to reform it.
Reforming involves making said individuals of the thread mods.
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There aren't enough active mods to address the frequent violations of rule-breaking. As it currently stands, too many individuals are getting away with abusing the CoC, The New Enforcement hasn't shown to be effective.
Since security is understaffed, we should start bringing some more onto the Task Force. Everyone of these individuals have given permission to be named in this thread, the others have chosen to not be included and remain anonymous.
Here are all of the people that should be promoted to moderator.:
- Savant
- SkepticalOne
- Athias
- greyparrot
Let's bring back security and stability to DART.
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@SkepticalOne
@AustinL0926
@Savant
@TheApprentice
Special thanks to Savant for taking my place as host.
The starting time for The Finals has been postponed to give the other competitors a chance to catch up.
The bonus debate is still on the table for those whose points are still falling behind. Please tag me in this thread if you're still interested in The Tournament and would like to do a bonus debate.
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@Savant
You're in my discord server, so if you have any questions. Feel free to ask me there.
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@Bella3sp
@Devon
@jamgiller
Slainte has officially resigned from the Tournament.
So I am instituting the command that Savant has full control over The Tournament for now.
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@Savant
My account is going to be banned for two weeks.
As co-host, Savant will be temporarily taking over the Tournaments for now until I return.
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Just another coincidence eh? Nothing to do with you or something you arranged is it?Funny.
RM. Please don't start.
I'm not interested.
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@jamgiller
That's fine.
I can extend the deadline to a later date.
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Because Mike's objective is to stifle the site's potential.
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You didn't check with me on my mental health before telling me I was an autistic incel loser that nobody likes here who should kill himself. You didn't check my mental health before arranging votebombs against me with noobs and gaslighting me about it.
You challenged me to a rap battle.
So I did it your way. It was No-Hold's Barred. Nothing that was said was off-limits. But for the record, I never told you to kill yourself. That was never an implication.
Not even in the battle itself.
It was no different from you calling Wylted overweight, making fun of him for being suicidal, and teasing him for his stutter/disability in your rap battle. (Things you all claimed to be true.)
I mean really, read your Round 1 Rap Battle with Wylted. ^^
Don't tell me that was out of context. You were making a reference to this.: https://www.debateart.com/debates/244-the-user-known-as-wylted-should-commit-suicide
I never arranged vote-bombs against you, but you did grudge-vote against me multiple times under the assumption you were being vote-bombed.
- First you declare war.
- Seconds later, you vote against me. Can't be a coincidence. Bear in mind, you did this separately on several debates.
You didn't check with me on my mental health before calling me low IQ ridiculing me that I am autistic but lack the savant part and am just a loser and idiot.
You were quite literally attacking Nyxified over her gender identity and derailing a thread.
It's not a coincidence that Nyx herself agreed with me that you attacked her.
You were also being condescending and talking down to Bella3sp in that same thread.: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9503-debate-with-nyxified-over-transgender-identity?page=3&post_number=73
Interesting.What about your vicious and relentless attacks on me?
Oh, you've attacked me plenty too.
Let's not get carried away with this victim schtick. The mods can only buy it for so long.
And as I've previously stated. The attacks between you and I should stay between you and I.
There was no need for you to target Slainte specifically and isolate him by making him your punching bag.
I wasn't a fan of Slainte, however I'd like to note that if someone's mental health is at risk, making a spectacle of their leaving if they themselves didn't explicitly ask for it is actually toxic for them. Some people don't want a spectacle made of their exit here.
So is harassing him days on end just because you don't like me.
You are the problem with this website to a large degree, Lancelot but you just don't get it. You are the one who goes around aggravating and trolling people off of here from Tigerlord through to Badger, through to me. You charm people as it suits you to have a 'gang' to back you up, that's how tactical you are about your abuse, what you didn't count on was that being a sycophant to the mods doesn't work here how it may on some other websites. They don't really care that I'm socially awkward and perhaps even a douchebag at times, they will still protect me if you violate the rules to abuse me. That was what you didn't count on and I appreciate their help.
I believe I've already stated that I'm on good terms with nearly everyone here, including Tigerlord.
My initial beef with Tigerlord was just that, temporary. And it started because he was quite literally attacking Slainte for no reason. Lol.
But we made up and we're practically buddies now.
I don't like badger and he doesn't like me, but that's a mutual feeling. It's nothing personal.
But in a few days to a couple of weeks, when I get the screenshots of the persistent abusive messages and comments you left Slainte.
I can't say it will look good for you.
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God utilized the creation of the Earth through pre-existing matter. Jesus was technically the one who created the Earth, but it was under God's command and supervision.
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Andrew Tate has always been his worst enemy.
I've never had any real objection to him, despite his over-acted hyper-masculine schtick. But his attacks on the media, fights with people, and call-outs of certain celebrities were his undoing.
I believe he admitted to trafficking several times in his old podcasts.
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I have done a lot of good things for people's mental health on and off here, good old buddy. Can even name a user here I've helped recently but won't.You go around believing what you want about me.As for 'evil' I can quote what you told me in the rap battle and outside of it. I can explain what you did recently to trigger me and make my experience here agonising and laughing at my misery. I can point out how your profile pics the past 2 times have revolved around countering one I picked but I will just hint at it as I have done and let others make their mind up.In the meantime I will @ the mods as you have attacked me yet again. I would recommend you to get help as well, I wonder why you need to attack me so hard rather than defend or compliment Slainte, manners are not morals. I put some gif of two fingers from Eminem in a gif and I'm oh so evil and disgusting. What you're mad about is the fact that you tried to make my life hell here, bullying me both verbally and via corrupting the voting system, revelling in my agony and suddenly things are closing in on you because you thought the mods wouldn't protect me at all.I suggest not to bark louder than you bite, Sir.
Your vicious and relentless attacks on Slainte are why we're even at this point, and now you're gloating.
If you've got a problem with me, then target me.
If our beef leads to me being banned, I couldn't care less.
There was no need for you to harass and antagonize Slainte.
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Like I don't even care that you're going to retaliate against me after reading this and grudge-vote my debates so that I lose.
You just prove my point.
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Honestly, RationalMadman.
You truly are an evil person that is beyond saving.
Delighting in other people's misery and mocking them when they're in a bad place just truly shows how far gone you are.
It is incredible how far you were willing to go into bullying Slainte into leaving the site, as well as pushing Devon into breaking down and having an episode just because you don't like me.
I would encourage you to genuinely seek help, but I don't believe there is a way of stopping your cycle of toxicity even if you were aware of the harm you're inflicting.
Like I cannot believe this. At first, I thought you were pathetic. Now I genuinely think you're disgusting.
How inhuman do you have to be to prioritize your Elo Rating over someone's mental health?
You're making fun of him just because he voted against you one time.
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@Slainte
Hopefully, you're still here to read this.
Will be the last time I tag you and then the ball is in your court.
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@Mps1213
@Bella3sp
@Savant
@Devon
In-case you guys are interested
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One of our contributors who helped DART through voting and creating debates is now officially leaving the site for good.
His name is Slainte.
Please use this thread to say your goodbyes and express appreciation.
I'll formally announce his resignation from The Tournament within a week in-case he changes his mind.
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@jamgiller
Okay.
Create an open challenge with any of the Tournament judges you choose and anyone random can accept.
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So you copied my thread but removed voters from the equation.
Honestly, if you're going to accuse me of copying your thread.
Please consider the purpose of your forum post was something I came up with months ago as the main theme for my Tournament.
Not yours.
Default categories for this debate will be Politics, Science, History, Religion, Sociology, Fiction, Pop Culture. (Possibly more.) But where this tournament differs from the rest is that topics/subjects will be personalized to match each competitors’ strengths in order to ensure they are operating under the best circumstances possible. (Like an algorithm.)
Additionally, type which categories are your favorite (or you’re best at.) if you decide.Sign-ups continue until we get 10 participants and will run until next Tuesday. Extended, if necessary.
If anything, you liked it so much that you ripped off my idea.
4) You state whether your intent is to debate it, which side you prefer to debate and/or whether you want to vote on it. If you would only debate/vote if it's within a certain range of characters or time-away-from now, feel free to specify that.This is a very obvious solution I am sure many regular debaters and voters have thought 'should' exist but didn't really make happen yet. I am not some 'genius' for this, it is just going to become an official thread where willing and eager voters meet willing and eager debaters so that debaters can engage on topics at times when the voters interested in those topics are available to vote, without needing it to be 'judge debate' format that has to be unrated or any other such complication.
I'm assuming you included the part that you're "not a genius" as a way to undermine your deceptiveness by making it seem like everyone else's idea, so you couldn't be accused of what you really did, plagiarizing my Tournament Origin.
Not that I care particularly. More power to you for pulling off such a bold and daring power-move.
However, I cannot applaud your dishonesty and lack of integrity.
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@Bella3sp
Absolutely.
But only if it's Judicial Decision with the voters only being one or more of the Tournament-selected Judges.
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@SkepticalOne
So you can qualify in The Finals, I actually have an idea. Here is my advice.:
Create an open debate, but make it Standard.
Setup the following resolution this way.: TRT: There must be a separation of religion and state in all aspects of governance. (20 points. Max Time - 1 days - 1 week)
Make it 3 rounds and choose whichever of the following judges you decide upon.:
- whiteflame
- Lemming
- Greyparrot
- Mps1213
- DavidAZ
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@AustinL0926
@Bella3sp
@TheApprentice
@Devon
@jamgiller
The beginning of The Finals stage is approaching and currently, not enough people have the minimal points to enter. It is strongly recommended that each participant begins making their choice for the next topic.
Here are the points so far.:
- Bella3sp - 5 points.
Soon, either jamgiller or Slainte will take 15 points and be in the lead.
However, I shall present an opportunity for a bonus debate to qualify. Tag me if you wish to participate in the bonus debates.
But this means you forfeit your right to decide and I will choose the topic for you.
I'm reaching out to everyone, but including the following individuals who remain inactive.:
- AustinL
- YouFound_Lxam
- TheApprentice
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So you copied my thread but removed voters from the equation.
No, silly.
Stop derailing my thread by taking credit for my ideas.
That's so unoriginal.
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@Barney
@Savant
Barney, would you be up to debate Savant about the morality/ethics of abortion?
I debated him on the same subject a while ago. I think it might be interesting to see a discussion crossover between the two of you.
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I want to set up a thread where two people can freely discuss here and arrange to debate each other. It can be any topic the two mutually agree upon. If you have someone you want to debate, feel free to tag them here.
(The terms of the debate can be rated, standard, multiple choice criterion, winner selection, or judicial decision.)
This isn't for any Tournament.
(Do not tag someone if there is a potential risk of derailing this thread into hostility.)
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@Stephen
Stephen,
YOUR QUOTE THAT SHOWS HOW BIBLE-STUPID CHRISTIANS ARE: "The age of the earth."
Look at the foolishness of these bible-inept pseudo-christians! They don't have the sense to feel embarrassed regarding their ignorance, so me and Jesus will continue to make them look silly in these forum threads.
They don't even read their own bible because here it clearly states!:
Ecclesiastes 1:4, “A generation goes and a generation comes, but the earth remains forever.”
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at snail speed with 'you need to prove the collusion that happened in private'.
It would definitely make sense to enable Judicial Decision with rated debates.
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With the majority disapproval of updates that took away noob-sniping and some former voters having frustration with their privileges taken away, it seems people are still voicing criticisms of my troll debates.
We have two problems.:
- Many people here seem to want noob-sniping.
- Despite there being a quantity of veteran and experienced voters, there aren't enough of them to accommodate the amount of rated debates needing votes.
So there are only two solutions to this.:
Here is the first,
My Troll debates solve this problem in two ways.:
- They give new debaters the option to vote on debates, and such a privilege also encourages them to participate more, both in debates and voting.
- It also gives them the qualification to take part in Rated Debates, thus making them eligible for noob-sniping.
So here, I have already successfully killed two birds with one stone using this same method repetitively for all noobs that join the site.
The Cons, however.:
- Incompetent votes. (Subject to mod removal, so not a problem really.)
- Vote-bombing. (They could choose to reward certain people with all the points rather than judging objectively, but mods can also discipline them as they decide. So this mitigates the risk.)
Here is the second solution.:
Enable Judicial Decision on Rated Debates. It's really THAT simple.
Forget the potentiality of debaters cheating the system to get Elo through deliberately choosing biased judges. Each debater has the ability and option to select their own judges. Even if a debate is judicial decision, allow votes to be regulated by mods anyway so they can delete if either debater is cheating.
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- Combat Sports. (MMA & Kickboxing.)
- Andrew Tate & The Paul Brothers.
- Movies/TV Shows.
- The Presidential Election.
(But ask me again in a few months and these options are liable to change.)
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@Double_R
If you don’t have evidence to support your position then that right there is your problem. But beyond that these are things you need to learn to handle. People will try to knock your case down with logical fallacies all the time, you’ve got to learn how to identify them and properly call them out.The way I see it is if that’s what my opponent is lowering themselves to that means they’re losing and can find no other way to defeat my case.
Rational says he uses that as a tactic in his debates.
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I disagree to that too. However, I cannot proceed without completely roasting him and he would only retaliate in kind.He does not suit leadership as anything. He suits being a site user who doesn't give a shit well. I actually think people see me as what I see Oromagi as but they are wrong about me. I never ever have been given a chance to prove that yet. I'd need one role, one chance and it would be proven.
If you're really this persistent.
There is a way for you to become President.
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oromagi would definitely be perfect as President.
The moderator role isn't suitable for him.
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@Athias
I have no reason to believe he would even care.
Whiteflame is the only one who can do anything about it at the moment.
The site owner is rarely online and gives the site freedom to do whatever they want.
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@Athias
How would you have them moderate?
Like whiteflame or Barney.
If someone violates the rules, send them a dm warning them to stop and act accordingly, if they don't.
oromagi has done precisely the exact opposite.
- Posting publicly about Best.Korea's comment while pretending to play neutral while secretly taking his message out of context and allowing the community to scrutinize him.
- Publicizing personal mod issues by calling out BrotherD.Thomas out and openly.
- Putting Greyparrot on blast by once again, publicizing private mod info by warning him to cease a nickname he created for IWRA. While simultaneously ignoring the repeated insults of IWRA and doxxing of Greyparrot's RL career. (Favoritism and hypocrisy.)
But then repeatedly engaging aggressively with TWS by calling him personalized nicknames he came up with, and addressing him as a racist and a transphobe, insulting his intelligence. As well as engaging in cross-thread contamination.
If you think it's just the users that are frustrated with oromagi's actions, consider for a moment that the mods themselves are getting tired of it also.
It's not THE mods. It's the actions and behavior of one mod. Also, keep in mind that I was the one who tried convincing former president Wylted to make oromagi a moderator and the one who wanted oro as a mod. Of all people, Wylted warned this was a bad idea.
Oro has a history of making callout threads too. So just keep that in mind.
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@TWS1405_2
Athias is actually pretty chill. Like Savant and Slainte-level chill.
That said, if anyone’s going to be a mod. I’d rather them have the temperament of whiteflame and Barney.
Getting into fights with your own community and being hypocritical sets a bad precedent for future mods.
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