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@oromagi
Derek Chauvin is not charged with a hate crime. He is charged with unintentional second-degree murder in the course of committing assault in the third degree.
He is. But it has been seen around the world as a racist hate crime, has it not?
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@HistoryBuff
Do you believe these officers were animals, as the man said?What kind of man wouldn't fight to try to protect his child and be with them?I didn't ask you that.but your question was irrelevant.
Then why did you even mention that this man was likened to an animal AFTER he had called these police officers "animals", if it is "irrelevant"?
So then why at all did you leap at the opportunity to bring race into this conversation IF you don't know either way?christopher and I were having a discussion that included other things.
Yes and you sprang on the opportunity to bring race into the conversation. Why?
So you are saying that the police officer/s was dehumanisedI'm saying a man was being dragged away from his child who was dying.
No, what you said was : " But calling someone an animal is dehumanizing behavior, which is common in racist people." These officers were also called "animals" was that dehumanising?
This is what is common among racist and intolerant people : watch this pleasant chap describe "animals" to his audience.
Mehdi Hasan - Animals
In that situation, I am certain I would call the police nasty things too.
I agree and this I am sure, cuts both ways under these stressful circumstances.
But police are supposed to be trained on how to handle this stuff.
No. What the police are trained to do is uphold the law. Here in the UK is all the police have to do is up hold the Queens peace. They do not have to be lawyers , care workers, social workers or medical mediators.
They should be able to deal with this situation better emotionally than a man whose child is about to die.
I too believe it maybe could have been handled a little more delicately than the abrupt manner in which it was managed. But this wasn't a racial issue as much as you are begging it to be.
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Jason Whitlock claims leaked George Floyd footage shows early narrative of his death was a 'race hoax'
A future guilty verdict trial looks wobbly and in doubt.
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@HistoryBuff
As well as what?things like the murder of george floyd.
There is new video evidence concerning the violent druggy and crook and ex jailbird Floyd. Strange the press never released this part of the arrest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VQrMYFHzbs
I think we are looking at an requital and more riots when that happens.
Do you believe these officers were animals, as the man said?What kind of man wouldn't fight to try to protect his child and be with them?
I didn't ask you that.
In the case of these officers and the woman in particular , I am pretty convinced she would would have, she came across as rude, indifferent, abrupt and soulless. Maybe that is the stress of the job? But I didn't detect a single bit of racism. Where as it appears that you will pull racism out of thin air at every given chance.as i said, i don't know if she is just a shitty person, or if race played a part in it.
So then why at all did you leap at the opportunity to bring race into this conversation IF you don't know either way?
calling someone an animal is dehumanizing behavior, which is common in racist people.
So you are saying that the police officer/s was dehumanised .
Alot of time racism comes across in giving different treatment to people based on race. IE being comforting or polite to a white guy but dismissive and abrupt with a black guy. This difference in treatment then elicits a different response (ie you are more combative if you are treated like shit). The police then use that combativeness to justify them treating them like shit.
I have had police officers act towards me ( a white male) in that way. when my house was robbed they turned up and they appears to not give a shite . They were rude, indifferent and dismissive in the sense that they told me and Mrs, that there wasn't much chance of apprehending the perps as there was no blood left at the scene. The police woman was white didn't say much but asked for two sugars in her tea, the man doing all the mouthing (and didn't take sugar at all) was black. Do you think he was being indifferent, abrupt and soulless because me and Mrs are white?
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@Intelligence_06
Suppose a Christian or Jewish worker got called to do work on Sunday. Is he excused to NOT go there?
Well according to Jesus it doesn't seem to matter. Besides , does a Jewish or Christian surgeon refuse to operate on Sunday?
“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath".Mark 2:27
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@HistoryBuff
Are you saying that this unfortunate incident was all about race?sorry, no I was referring to police action in general. It is entirely possible that it had something to do with this incident as well.
As well as what?
One of the officers yelled "You’re acting like an animal, it’s disgusting".
It is disgusting. And I believe the man called those officers animals too and before the officer said he was acting "like" an animal. Do you believe these officers were animals, as the man said?
I have to wonder if they would yell things like that at a white person for trying to stay with their terminally ill child.
In the case of these officers and the woman in particular , I am pretty convinced she would would have, she came across as rude, indifferent, abrupt and soulless. Maybe that is the stress of the job? But I didn't detect a single bit of racism. Where as it appears that you will pull racism out of thin air at every given chance.
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@HistoryBuff
ok, but if those "flawed" (ie racist)
Are you saying that this unfortunate incident was all about race?
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@Greyparrot
Are not the police run by leftists in the UK? They have a state hospital system to protect after all.
I am not a lunatic that wants to defund the police and I do have amount of respect for them overall. They do have a shit job to and it appears that their hands are being tied tighter by the day , especially in London where the Muslim mayor Sadiq Khan seems quite happy to sit back and watch blacks killing other blacks while antifa go about damage and destroy anything and everything in sight without fear of arrest. The toppling of the Edward Colston statue is an example where the police just stood right by and watching these bastards do as they wanted. It took a public outcry to get just one of these bastards involved to be arrested.
But I honestly do not know where the police themselves stand in my country any more.That's the truth. One day they are standing on the side lines watching these BLM/ Anifa rioters vandalise statues and pull them down and deface building and are retreating from confrontation as they did en mass in Brixton when attempting to beak up a street party during lock-down. The next they are telling others defending these buildings and statues to move on or be arrested. The ex soldiers defending the Churchill statue is a good example. This is not to mention a Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service in London, Cressida Dick who can't;p apologising to BLM and anyone legally arrested by her officers.
But all said, I believe this was an unnecessary arrest of a grieving father who went on to suffer an heart attack and rushed into surgery the very next day.
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How police 'brutally' intruded into a grieving family's sombre vigil just 30 minutes after the parents were told their daughter, 6, was being taken off her life support machine"
I brought tears to my eyes. These heartbroken couple were just coming to terms of losing their child and these fuckers couldn't keep their fucking big beaks out.
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@RoderickSpode
Christians don't read their Bible Or, most Christians don't read their Bible.
Does that include you?
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@HistoryBuff
I have asked you ; So how would you have kept the Muslim Ottomans/Turks out of this war which was one of those "underlying problems" that you mention, to begin with? I asked this because The Muslim Ottoman Empire came into World War I as one of the Central Powers and were the cause of RUSSIA joining the war.. The ottomans joined the war 3 months after Germany had declared war on Russia. And Germany declared war on Russia because they wouldn't stop mobilizing in response to Austria attacking Serbia.
OK. So going back to how you would have "ended the conflict by solving the underlying problems ", How would you have kept the Muslim Ottomans/Turks involvement out of this war which was one of those "underlying problems" that you mention?
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There are conflicting dates. I have found other sources that suggest August and another stating July and various days of November..
I was actually looking for a date that linked the Muslim Turks to the conflict. Regardless. The importance from my stand point is that Turkey was involved and was one of the Central Powers. I want to know how HB would have " solved the underlying problems" of the Turkish Muslim involvement.
The Ottoman Empire's entry into World War I began when two recently purchased ships of its navy, still manned by their German crews and commanded by their German admiral, carried out the Black Sea Raid, a surprise attack against Russian ports, on 29 October 1914....... Russia replied by declaring war on 1 November 1914 and Russia's allies, Britain and France, then declared war on the Ottoman Empire on 5 November 1914. The reasons for the Ottoman action were not immediately clear.[1][2]
If you were to tell me that entering the war is different to actually declaring war then I can accept that. I am still left with how HB would go about solving "the underlying problems" of the Turkish Muslim involvement.
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@ILikePie5
Muslim Empires are never bad you islamophobe #23
A significant number of people in the former Kingdom of Bosnia converted to Islam after the conquest by the Ottoman Empire in the second half of the 15th century.
Gavrilo Princip..........He was a Bosnian by nationality but a Serb in terms of ethnicity.#25
For hundreds of years, Islam ruled supreme in Serbia.
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@HistoryBuff
So how would you have kept the Muslim Ottomans/Turks out of this war which was an underlying problem to begin with .have you switched topics? We were discussing whether the Germans were responsible for starting the war. Your question has nothing to do with that.
Now that is not true is it? The thread is actually about " Scathing critique of Karl Marx, Author: Greyparrot,2 days ago". But we are discussing how YOU would have ended the first world war as it was you that brought WW 1 into the conversation saying " ww2 was a result of ww1" #19. I happen to agree with with that. But then you stated how you would have "ended that conflict (ww1) by " trying to solve the underlying problems that led to ww1 known as the "The Great War".
Where you say :
HistoryBuff wrote: was a response to the crippling and heavy handed way the allies ended WW1.Stephen wrote: , "heavy handed " ? You are hilarious at times.How would you have ended it?HistoryBuff wrote: By trying to solve the underlying problems that led to the war. WW 1 started because of a complex series of alliances coupled with imperialism.
I have asked you ; So how would you have kept the Muslim Ottomans/Turks out of this war which was one of those "underlying problems" that you mention, to begin with? I asked this because The Muslim Ottoman Empire came into World War I as one of the Central Powers and were the cause of RUSSIA joining the war.
And now you seems to be crying that I am questioning you on your own statement concerning addressing "the underlying problems that led to the war" and that I have "switched topics" !!!.
WW1 started in July 28, 1914. Russia joined the conflict 5 November 1914. The Muslim Ottoman Empire's entry into World War I began when two recently purchased ships of its navy, still manned by their German crews and commanded by their German admiral, carried out the Black Sea Raid, a surprise attack against Russian ports, on 29 October 1914. Now, do you see what I am getting at here?
"The underlying problems" that YOU say you would have tried to solve has to include the Muslim Ottoman problem that provoked Russia into the the war.
So can you manage an answer or do you wish to sweep the problem of the Ottoman Muslims part in the conflict under the carpet and pretend that I never asked it in the first place? Keeping in mind that this Muslim Empire was one of the Central Powers in the war before Russia.
In case you have forgot: So how would you have kept the Muslim Ottomans/Turks out of this war which was an underlying problem to begin with ? .#22
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I have not left that out
Yes, well. I was talking about what you had left out. I won't bother going into how wrong you are.
How would you have ended it?By trying to solve the underlying problems that led to the war.
So how would you have kept the Muslim Ottomans/Turks out of this war which was an underlying problem to begin with .
The Muslim Ottoman Empire came into World War I as one of the Central Powers. The Muslim Ottoman Empire entered the war by carrying out a surprise attack on Russia's Black Sea coast on 29 October 1914, with Russia responding by declaring war on 5 November 1914.
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@HistoryBuff
The Austrians and the Russians actually started the war.
And you call yourself History Buff!? I notice you kept the Islamic Ottoman Empire out of the equation as you have the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand—heir to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
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@HistoryBuff
ww2WW2 was a response to the crippling and heavy handed way the allies ended WW1.
LOL , "heavy handed " ? You are hilarious at times.How would you have ended it?
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I do wish my opponent was willing to engage with the evidence,
Me too. Have you seen this for unsubstantiated claims. >> #55
whereas asserted denials against the evidence, really don't hold up.
While on one hand its claimed Christian numbers are on the increase world wide. The same claimant then goes about wiping over 23 million Christians from the Christian fold himself claiming JW's and Mormons are not Christian.. And then denies that he did so.
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@HistoryBuff
So are you saying that BLM isn't a Marxist movement?of course they aren't. Why would anyone think that they are?
Because they give interviews like this>>
HATEFUL RACIST MARXIST BLM ACTIVIST EXPOSED!
Why are you still going on about this weird incident?
Why not? BLM are over the news these days, isn't this " weird incident" anything to do with BLM , then? although the caption under this vile photo of the baby being assaulted by two black people that clearly states " Black Lives Matter, now, mother f***er"
AND
And now we have a special needs black teacher telling the perpetrator/s of this assault on a baby that he wasn't doing it right and should have leaned on the crying baby " till death"
So this child crying under the knee of this 6`2"175 lb man is not being assaulted then? .The articles provided say the child is fine.Was this little baby assaulted by a 6`22 178 lb black man while another held this babies arms tightly behind its back or not? .unclear. The news report says the child is unharmed. So neither one of us knows if the child was "Assaulted"
So this little baby being knelt on by a 6`22 178 lb black man while another holds this babies arms tightly behind its back is not assault on this crying child in your mind then.
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@HistoryBuff
The article you linked to says the child was fine.
That is probably because according to special education school teacher (who cannot spell), he was doing it wrong:
'Again! Your (sic) doing it wrong!' Papin wrote on the social media post with the image. 'One knee on center of the back one on the neck and lean into it until death! You saw the video!', he added, in reference to footage taken by a bystander of Floyd's slaying.
'Get it right or stop f****** around!'
'Get it right or stop f****** around!'
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@oromagi
I ignored it before because Muhammad's treatment of Abrahamic peoples is well documented and readily researched on Wikipedia. You ought not to have any need for me to educate you.
Not wishing to be rude but I believe it is you that aught to educate yourself a little bit further>#104
Quran 51 - You,who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies.They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
Quran8:12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. There fore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them".
Quran 8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.
There are well over 100 verses like this in Quran that contradict what you have claimed. You do understand that the Quran to Muslims is the last and unalterable word of god don't you?
And please remember this thread is about a savage with a wrap sheet that includes domestic violence and who assaulted a two year old child by kneeling on the babies neck. .
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@oromagi
Added 07.09.20 10:15AM--> @oromagiMuhammad commanded tolerance for Jews and Christians.Did he ? When?All his life. Remember that Muhammad grew up among Jewish nomadic tribes and Christian cities and Muhammad considered himself a continuation of both traditions.Here's some examples
And here's a few more :
Quran 51 - You,who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies.They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
Quran8:12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. There fore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them".
Quran 8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.
There are well over 100 verses like this in Quran that contradict what you have claimed. You do understand that the Quran to Muslims is the last and unalterable word of god don't you?
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@oromagi
Do you consider your OP characterization of Jackson, "savage with a wrap sheet [sic]" racist?
No. That is because he is a savage with a wrap- sheet. As would anyone be that knelt on a 2 years old toddlers neck who also happened to have a wrap sheet.
Possibly drugs
Domestic assault and burglary are among his convictions.
I prefer to just express my opinion here
Yes I noticed you don't seem to enjoy having your opinions tested and scrutinised and ignore those who ask you to further or explain your opinions, but have no qualms about questioning someone else's opinions or views.
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@HistoryBuff
So are you saying that BLM isn't a Marxist movement?of course they aren't. Why would anyone think that they are?
Because they give interviews like this>>
HATEFUL RACIST MARXIST BLM ACTIVIST EXPOSED!
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@HistoryBuff
Here is another small outlet detailing the event:so one guy does something stupid and didn't end up harming anyone. Why are we still talking about this?
You sounds so much like Illhan Omar.
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@HistoryBuff
Was this little baby assaulted by a 6`22 178lb black man while another held this babies arms tightly behind its back or not?unclear. The news report says the child is unharmed. So neither one of us knows if the child was "Assaulted"
So this little baby being knelt on by a 6`22 178 lb black man while another holds this babies arms tightly behind its back is not assault on this crying child in your mind then, until an officer of the the law says so? I shall remember you said that . And you need to remember that too.
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@HistoryBuff
So this child crying under the knee of this 6`2"175 lb man is not being assaulted then? I see.The articles provided say the child is fine.
Was this little baby assaulted by a 6`22 178lb black man while another held this babies arms tightly behind its back or not? .
Are you saying this didn't happen? What if it had all been reported by a msm outlet? Would have that given this story more or less credibility?at the time of my previous post, the only information provided was a post on facebook. Do you know how much bullshit gets posted on facebook? If MSNBC had run that story I would be just as critical.
So you would deny this happened and call it "fake news" no matter who had reported this horrific story?
That will be the Marxist movement that are using and radicalising black people for their own agenda .this level of delusion is disturbing.
So are you saying that BLM isn't a Marxist movement?
sick isn't it, they don't see it which is horrible, amazing what they condone and tolerate when it's "not their side"this is just pathetic. I haven't condoned or tolerated anything.
You laughed and right off the bat suggested the "journalist" that had reported it had no integrity #4
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@HistoryBuff
lol it is some facebook post. There is no evidence provided that anyone was harmed in any way.
So this child crying under the knee of this 6`2"175 lb man is not being assaulted then? I see.
But "journalists" with no integrity report it as if it is fact
Are you saying this didn't happen? What if it had all been reported by a msm outlet? Would have that given this story more or less credibility?
in an attempt to slander the BLM movement.
That will be the Marxist movement that are using and radicalising black people for their own agenda .
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@oromagi
So, no, you won't find this story running on any website that is trying to maintain a reputation for accuracy or honesty. It looks like some Singaporean dude took some posting on Facebook and created some BLM narrative around it. Why use a Singaporean warehouser as a source for local news in Ohio? Why would anybody want to see this treated as if it were anything but fake news and foreign interference in US politics?
Granny doesn't seem to happy about this "fake news".
“My son is beyond pissed. He took his boy to the ER to get checked out and everything came back good,” the grandmother wrote. “He better be glad nothing bad happened to my grandson and he better hide from all the people who will be coming for him when he gets out of jail.”
And would you be kind enough to answer this question raised by a comment of yours.
>>>>>> #76
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@BrotherDThomas
See, prayer does work, praise Jesus! {..................................................] We have a 3 month respite of not having to put up with ethang5's insipid Devil Speak and runaway tactics, therefore let's take advantage of this time period, praise! THANK YOU JESUS!
Praise indeed Brother, but I am afraid 3 months may not be long enough to cure ethang5 of his dreadful Comical Ali syndrome.
As in the face of all the evidence Comical Ali persisted that "there are no Americans in Baghdad at all".
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Cannot find this story on MSM?
Isaiah Anthony Wayne Jackson 6’2″ 175lb
Mother makes and excuse for this savage with a wrap sheet saying “ignorant” and claiming that “he wasn’t hurting him [the baby].”
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Very good debate. I enjoyed it.
This back - hand made me grin too;
“possesses attributes like God”"He had power over diseases, demonic spirits, and nature.” This is actually true, but fails to prove the conclusion intended. Antibiotics cure more diseases than Jesus ever did, yet the church has [not] replaced statues of Jesus with statues of pill bottles. Plus this again opposes God who inflicts diseases, as was seen with Job and the innocent Egyptians. >>>>My edit [not ]
I could make a whole thread from that.
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@Dr.Franklin
i think the biggest factor is secularism found in chenchia, albania,bosnia,etc more than religion
And this explains why we here in the west , UK in particular have to change our way of living to accommodate some one who is not used to or familiar with a western society , does it?
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@HistoryBuff
I agree in part. That is because he listened to the penis known as Professor Neil Ferguson who's track record for predictions is nothing short of abysmal.
Anthony Stephen Fauci an American physician and immunologist took his own wild estimations straight from Professor Neil Ferguson Imperial College London. There can be nothing more reliable , can there, than a physician who doesn't have his own mind. Or research for himself the reliability of whom he is taking his advice.
The Spectator asked some very good question and questions that we should all be asking our own MP's (UK) or Congressmen or the female version (USA)
(1) In 2005, Ferguson said that up to 200 million people could be killed from bird flu. He told the Guardian that ‘around 40 million people died in 1918 Spanish flu outbreak… There are six times more people on the planet now so you could scale it up to around 200 million people probably.’ In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.
How did he get this forecast so wrong?
(2) In 2009, Ferguson and his Imperial team predicted that swine flu had a case fatality rate 0.3 per cent to 1.5 per cent. His most likely estimate was that the mortality rate was 0.4 per cent. A government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a ‘reasonable worst-case scenario’ was that the disease would lead to 65,000 UK deaths.
In the end swine flu killed 457 people in the UK and had a death rate of just 0.026 per cent in those infected.
Why did the Imperial team overestimate the fatality of the disease? Or to borrow Robinson's words to Hancock this morning: 'that prediction wasn't just nonsense was it? It was dangerous nonsense.'
(3) In 2001 the Ferguson and the Imperial team produced modelling on foot and mouth disease that suggested that animals in neighbouring farms should be culled, even if there was no evidence of infection. This influenced government policy and led to the total culling of more than six million cattle, sheep and pigs – with a cost to the UK economy estimated at £10 billion.
It has been claimed by experts such as Michael Thrusfield, professor of veterinary epidemiology at Edinburgh University, that Ferguson’s modelling on foot and mouth was ‘severely flawed’ and made a ‘serious error’ by ‘ignoring the species composition of farms,’ and the fact that the disease spread faster between different species.
Does Ferguson acknowledge that his modelling in 2001 was flawed and if so, has he taken steps to avoid future mistakes?
(4) In 2002, Ferguson predicted that between 50 and 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. He also predicted that number could rise to 150,000 if there was a sheep epidemic as well. In the UK, there have only been 177 deaths from BSE.
Does Ferguson believe that his ‘worst-case scenario’ in this case was too high? If so, what lessons has he learnt when it comes to his modelling since?
(5) Ferguson’s disease modelling for Covid-19 has been criticised by experts such as John Ioannidis, professor in disease prevention at Stanford University, who has said that: ‘The Imperial College study has been done by a highly competent team of modellers. However, some of the major assumptions and estimates that are built in the calculations seem to be substantially inflated.’
Has the Imperial team’s Covid-19 model been subject to outside scrutiny from other experts, and are the team questioning their own assumptions used? What safeguards are in place?
(6) Ferguson’s disease modelling for Covid-19 has been criticised by experts such as John Ioannidis, professor in disease prevention at Stanford University, who has said that: ‘The Imperial College study has been done by a highly competent team of modellers. However, some of the major assumptions and estimates that are built in the calculations seem to be substantially inflated.’
Has the Imperial team’s Covid-19 model been subject to outside scrutiny from other experts, and are the team questioning their own assumptions used? What safeguards are in place?
(7) On 22 March, Ferguson said that Imperial College London’s model of the Covid-19 disease is based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code, that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus.
How many assumptions in the Imperial model are still based on influenza and is there any risk that the modelling is flawed because of these assumptions?
Ferguson "resigned" from advising government for apparently having his married lover around for "dinner" during lock down. Very noble don't you think? Considering that his bullshite has wrecked the economy here in the UK.
The odd thing here is that no one knows (to my knowledge) how Ferguson was outed for breaking lock-down rules?
Only a few days later Ferguson took what seems to be revenge on the UK government and claimed that " had the UK government locked down only a week earlier, the death rate were experiencing in the UK would have been halved"
Prof Neil Ferguson: UK would have halved coronavirus death toll by locking down a week earlier.
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@Dr.Franklin
Matt Hancock UK MP urgent review into claims corona-virus deaths were miscounted.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock has asked for the examination of Public Health England's (PHE) data - said by researchers to include a "statistical anomaly" by which "no one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England".
A government source confirmed that Public Health England ( PHE's )current method of calculation means if a person was previously diagnosed with COVID-19 but subsequently died of unrelated causes, their death would still be counted as part of PHE's daily coronavirus death tally.
Anyone surprised? I'm not.
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Matt Hanckock UK M urgent review into claims corona-virus deaths were miscounted.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock has asked for the examination of Public Health England's (PHE) data - said by researchers to include a "statistical anomaly" by which "no one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England".
A government source confirmed that Public Health England ( PHE's )current method of calculation means if a person was previously diagnosed with COVID-19 but subsequently died of unrelated causes, their death would still be counted as part of PHE's daily coronavirus death tally.
A sky news bulletin says that "even if you were knocked down by a lorry and killed your cause death was recorded as Covid 19". But I cannot find that clip
But does any of this surprise anyone, at all?
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It is not enough that some world leaders of the west have rammed home the lie that "Islam is a religion of peace".
Or they attempt to reinterpret words such as " Islamophobia" to become a racist word when Islam is not a race and a phobic person is someone with an -irrational - fear or dread, of something or someone.
Now , our police force here in the UK , on top of all the cover ups of "Asian" rape gangs and are turning a blind eye to all slave "Asian" sweat shops are now to.....
...." consider dropping phrases like 'Islamist terror' - 'They don't help community'THE POLICE are considering banning terms such as ‘Islamist terror' and ‘jihadi' amid claims they do not help with community relations.
Why? Why do we have to continually change our language and redefine words to accommodate people who hate out culture and our country and are forever seeking to change it?
They supposedly come here for "refuge" from some war torn shithole only to demand that the indigenous people that gave them refuge change their ways and adopt theirs.
Shariah law for instance; there are Muslim street patrols in London .
Sharia law has been recognised by a British court for the first time after a judge made a landmark divorce ruling which could change the way Islamic marriage and divorce works in the UK.
The High Court ruled that an estranged couple's Islamic faith marriage, conducted in a ceremony called a nikah, falls under British matrimonial law despite it not being legally recognised as such.
It means Nasreen Akhtar will be free to bring her case to the divorce court and claim her share of the assets of her marriage where she previously would not have been able to.
In the high-profile case Mrs Akhtar and her businessman husband Mohammed Shabaz Khan were deemed to have a valid marriage.
This comes after `British' MP Labour MP Naseem Shah a few years ago retweeting a vile comment by a British left-wing homosexual Labour Party activist Owen Jones, who said about the "Asian" [rape] victims of Rotherham UK, some as young as 10, should " ‘shut their mouths for the good of diversity’.
Naseem Shah نسیم شاہ is MP for Bradford West UK where
Bradford grooming gang jailed for total of 132 years for raping and abusing under-age girls in care
Prosecutors say victims suffered "appalling catalogue of degrading emotional and sexual abuse which has deprived them of their childhood"
But the victims should keep their mouths shut!?
Even the use of the word "Asian" to describe these rape gangs is an offense in itself to other peoples of Asia. We know for instance that these rape gangs are not Japanese, or Chinese yet these peoples are being dragged into the same net as the perverted paedophiles that are raping white children up and down out country.
And now they want to stop calling out someone for what they are because -Anil Kanti Basu, QPM a senior British police officer has said: “These do not help community relations and public confidence."
Instead, they are suggested to use the Arabic word, Irhabi, which is used throughout the Middle East to describe extremest views.
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@Barney
One has to wonder have they ever read the NT for themselves?I actually did some research on this for a debate.Most Christians have not read it: https://lifewayresearch.com/2017/04/25/lifeway-research-americans-are-fond-of-the-bible-dont-actually-read-it/
I am not surprised. I have come believe that "Christians" learn more about the bible from atheist than they do their own church leaders.
Survey: Atheists, Agnostics Know More About Religion Than Religious.
The Pew Forum on Religious Religion and Public Life released a survey on religious knowledge today. Atheists and Agnostics scored higher on it than anyone else, closely followed by Jews and Mormons.
That's overall, but when you get into specific religions it does show a startling lack of basic knowledge by practitioners. From the report:
More than four-in-ten Catholics in the United States (45%) do not know that their church teaches that the bread and wine used in Communion do not merely symbolize but actually become the body and blood of Christ. About half of Protestants (53%) cannot correctly identify Martin Luther as the person whose writings and actions inspired the Protestant Reformation, which made their religion a separate branch of Christianity. Roughly four-in-ten Jews (43%) do not recognize that Maimonides, one of the most venerated rabbis in history, was Jewish.
Your debate looks interesting. I will give that a go when I have more time.
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@Dr.Franklin
you cant predict the end times
I know I can't. And I have never claimed that I could. But many Christians have made that claim,haven't they? Even though the bible states that : "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" - this doesn't and hasn't stopped these Christians making absolute fools of themselves . One has to wonder have they ever read the NT for themselves?
The "signs" according to Matthew are interesting though, I must say.
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@ethang5
It is not for you to push your own religious agenda either.Board membership has nothing to do with religion.
So why are you calling someone out about "board membership" on my thread, you idiot.
Please stay off my threads in future.
Please stay off my threads in future.No. Hey snowflake, you can block me,
Well we both know that blocking on this forum is a simple waste of time don't we. It wouldn't stop you responding to me on my own threads would it?
Sorry, the board is not Nazi Germany.
It was a polite request not a command, you idiot. Lord, you really are childish when stuck for intelligent answers and responses aren't you? This is what causes you to resort telling lies ALL OF THE TIME.
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Oops!Christianity has spread far from its historical origins and is geographically widespread. As noted in a 2011 Pew Research Center report on global Christianity, it has become a more geographically diverse religion since 1910, becoming less concentrated in Europe and more evenly distributed throughout the Americas, sub-Saharan Africa and the Asia-Pacific region.
And although it has spread Christian numbers are on the decline . As pew themselves that you have reposted states clearly:
"Europe is the only region where the absolute number of Christians is expected to decline by 2050. Europe’s Christian population is projected to fall from 553 million in 2010 to 454 million in 2050. During this period, the share of Europe’s population that identifies as Christian also is expected to decline, from 75% to 65%.
In all other regions, the absolute number of Christians is expected to grow in the coming decades".
In all other regions, the absolute number of Christians is expected to grow in the coming decades".
Nice little graph here showing the rapid fall in numbers of Christians in 21 countries of Europe.
Czech Rep.
Estonia
Sweden
Netherlands
UK
Hungary
Belgium
France
Finland
Denmark
Norway
Spain
Russia
Switzerland
Germany
Portugal
Ireland
Slovenia
Austria
Lithuania
Poland
- 'Christianity as default is gone': the rise of a non-Christian Europe
Figuresshow a majority of young adults in 12 countries have no faith, withCzechs least religious
While Muslim numbers grow at a rate of 14 to one. so if you are going to quote Pew as I did, at least be honest enough to tell the whole story.
Why Muslims are the world’s fastest-growing religious group. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/06/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/
You gave us your opinion. Other people gave different answers.
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,I know that I am preaching to the choir, therefore, the TRUE meaning of a Christian is just a JEWISH follower of Jesus.
Hello Brother, hope you are well .
I have to agree as I have never heard of, or read of Jesus talking to a single Christian. Not a one.
JESUS STATED: “He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 15:24). Since Jesus was "King of the Jews" (Matthew 27:37), and He was ONLY interested in the people of his Jewish heritage, and not of other religions, then a Christian has to be a JEW! 2+2=4. When was the last time that you addressed the many pseudo-Christians within this forum, and asked them in what Jewish sect they belong too, since Jesus was sent only for the Jews?
Again, I fully agree with your own understanding . I repeatedly have to remind the faithful here that Jesus was a Jew. A king of the Jews and a Jewish Rabbi. What he wasn't was a Christian, King of the Christians or a Christian preacher and never once does he preach to Christians in the bible or anywhere else.
Even with all our amicable disagreements it is nice to see you here again Brother.
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@ethang5
Why do you think the idiot has been banned more than 30 times?
You cannot be too far behind him on that score. I would personally ban you until you realised that one has to support and prove their claims on a discussion/ debating forum.
Your problem is that you tell far too many lies to keep up with yourself. You should have been a miner. Digging very large wide holes is your forte, that is to say , a thing at which you excel.
The moron Willows is not a member
It is not for you to push your own religious agenda either. It is not for you to spout PERSISTENT lies when on the back foot and have painted yourself into a corner. and this particular thread is not for YOU to discuss who should be or is a member.
You purposefully create arguments on other peoples threads to bury your own embarrassment AND LIES.
...like a fly around shit.An apt description of your tired, spam posts.
Yet here you are AGAIN!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Please stay off my threads in future.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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@ethang5
At least my life isn't so pathetic I have yo force myself on people who don't want me around.
Well I for one do not wish you to be around any of my threads but in you come every time I start a thread like a fly around shit. And you have the nerve to accuse others of "forcing themselves on people".
This is a free open forum. And this particular sub forum is to discuss and debate religion, it is not a religious forum. AND It is not a pulpit for you ONLY to force yourself and your religious beliefs & opinions onto others without any scrutiny and criticism.
If I was to ask you stay away and off my threads you wouldn't do so no matter how many times I asked you. The forum etiquette states that you should leave a thread where you are not wanted and have been asked politely to leave.
BUT YOU you have never given too much notice about moderation & forum rules have ? And neither have you taken too much notice of polite requests to leave a thread after you have repeatedly harnessed and stalked another member.
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@ethang5
So you have asked for my evidence AGAIN that Christians are on the decline.And AGAIN you have given local numbers and tried to pretend they represent global numbers. Lie much?
No, Stop with you fkn denials! Those links and headlines clearly state COUNTRIES GLOBALLY you idiot
Since you're obviously here only to spam,
You have repeatedly claimed that I offer no evidence or have proven my claims and persistently ask for proof. You then accuse me of spamming when I show you more proof. AGAIN here is further proof that Christians are on the decline and in "worrying numbers" according to the clergy.
Nice little graph here showing the rapid fall in numbers of Christians in 21 countries of Europe.
Czech Rep.
Estonia
Sweden
Netherlands
UK
Hungary
Belgium
France
Finland
Denmark
Norway
Spain
Russia
Switzerland
Germany
Portugal
Ireland
Slovenia
Austria
Lithuania
Poland
- 'Christianity as default is gone': the rise of a non-Christian Europe
Figuresshow a majority of young adults in 12 countries have no faith, withCzechs least religious
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Anglican Church Leaders In Canada Face A Steep Decline In Members
ButLife In The Pews Has Been Radically Different, Creating A Crisis ThatSurfaced Recently In A Blunt Report To Canadian Bishops.
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"Thereis no sign of any stabilization in our numbers; if anything thedecline is increasing. Some had hoped that our decline had bottomedout, or that programs had been effective in reversing the trends.This is now demonstrably not the case,"
In2018 General Synod was able to collect a complete and mostly reliableset of data … for the first time since 2001," said a report byRev. Neil Elliot, a priest in the Province of British Columbia andthe Yukon. Research from 2017 "shows that the decline observedin earlier data has continued."
https://religionunplugged.com/news/anglican-church-leaders-in-canada-face-a-steep-decline-in-members
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Facing Decline in the Anglican Church of Canada
In2001, 162,000 people attended the Anglican Church of Canada (ACoC) onan average Sunday. But new figures show that by 2017 this had fallento 97,000.[1] In16 years the Anglican Church of Canada’s Sunday congregations havedropped by nearly half.
Thisarticle asks three things: first, what is going on, overall; second,what is going on in different regions; third, what all this means.
Thefall in Canadian Anglican attendance is matched by the fall of itsmembership, which fell from 642,000 to 357,000 between 2001 and 2017.This is part of a long-term trend, dating back to the 1960s.
Year ACoC Membership Populationof Canada % of Anglicans in Canadian Population
1961 1,358,459 18million 7%
2001 641,845 31million 2%
2017 357,123 35million 1%
Anglicanmembership in Canada peaked in the early 1960s. By 2017 it had shrunkby three quarters. Since the Canadian population doubled in the sameperiod, that means that Anglicans have moved from being 7% ofCanadians to 1% of Canadians, between 1961 and 2017.
Thisdecline is confirmed by other metrics.
1961
1971
1981
1991
2001
2017
Baptisms
44,416
28,722
23,334
20,953
13,304
5,411
Confirmations
32,774
21,965
15,021
8,267
5,506
1,997
Marriages
11,963
16,197
12,343
9,552
6,009
2,071
Burials/Funerals
20,137
21,108
19,043
18,316
15,635
9,074
Total # of clergy
2,380
2,367
3,015
3,459
3,675
3,491
Mostnotably, baptisms, confirmations, and marriages have plummeted, withespecially steep decline since around 2000. The drop in baptisms isparticularly striking. The number of ACoC baptisms in 2017 was justover 10% of the number baptised in 1961. Worse, the rate of declineis increasing. Baptisms dropped from 13,304 in 2001, to 5,411 in 2017– a fall of well over half.
Toa degree Canadian Anglicanism is an ethnic denomination, drawing muchof its strength from people of white British heritage. A largepercentage of Anglicans entered Anglicanism via infant baptism. So,the huge fall in baptisms is a harbinger of more decline to come.
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Morebad news for the christian Churches
Christianaffiliation in a surprisingly steep decline, Pew reports
Thenumbers are pretty startling:
Inthe seven years since Pew last conducted such a poll, the percentageof Americans who described themselves as Christian dropped by almosteight percentage points, from 78.4 percent in 2007 to 70.6 percent in2014. It dropped in raw numbers as well, with 5 million fewerAmericans identifying themselves as Christian even as the overallpopulation increased.
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And as an aside, thisis worrying for anyone never mind Christians.
Chinaorders Christians to take down crosses, images of Jesus; worshipcommunist leaders, not God Amidthe coronavirus outbreak, poor Christian villagers in China have beenordered to renounce their faith and replace displays of Jesus withportraits of Chairman Mao and President Xi Jinping or risk losingtheir welfare benefits.
NOW:
Show us evidence that Christian gains are outnumbering Christian losses?
No biblical evidence offered when requested.
ethang5 wrote: I can show you regular church services of 5,000 people, and they have 2 services every morning.#13
No evidence offered when asked for proof.
Again no proof offered.
Requested supporting evidence. None given.
Asked for supporting evidence. None given
Not a shred of evidence to support that claim. as with all of his claims.
Again, no supporting evidence for such a silly and pathetic claim.
Asked repeatedly to prove that the Christian gains are outweighing the decline of practising Christians? None was forthcoming.
So any reader can see.;
ethang5 will make unsupported statements repeatedly and lie. He will then accuse you of spamming when forced to show him repeatedly evidence to support your claims while he never ever offers a single shred of evidence to support his own claims. ...not even for claims he's made about Jesus and the bible . This alone can only prove him to be a cold and calculating barefaced LIAR!
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@ethang5
What is that meaning?Of Christian? You don't know?
You have said - "the word Christian has a meaning. That meaning is defined by the bible, and that meaning isn't flexible.#17
Where in the bible does it "define" the meaning of the word "Christian"?
And why does it - ACCORDING TO ONLY YOU - disqualify over 8 million Jehovah's witnesses from being Christians and also disqualify over 15 million Mormons from Christians?Start another thread. Try to stay on topic in this thread.
I have, and you lie on that thread just as much as you do on this thread.
So then why are you taking it up on yourself to disqualify these groups as Christians?I'm not disqualifying anyone jedthro. The definition of Christian is not decided by me.
Yes you are and you have. You have said "Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians" and followed that up with and "neither are Mormons". That is you dismissing and rejecting both these religious groups from the Christian community. You are now trying to deny you have said this but it is far too late for more of your denials.
But what can anyone seriously expect from a man that claims that 8+ million Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians;
Jehovah Witnesses getting in on the failed prediction bullshite act has it. They are Christians, aren't they??Err. No. .#14
And that over 14 million! Mormons are not Christians either:
..the rapid decline of Christians isn't helped any by you claiming that 8 +million Jehovah Witnesses are not Christians , either.Lol. Neither are Mormons, #48
It was ONLY you who have told the forum that neither Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses are christian...You're only talking to me loser.
I am pretty sure that there are a few others READING your lies apart from me , petal.
NO ONE can know the time of the 2nd coming,I got that.And how did you know that?
I got it because I don't believe anyone in the whole world can predict the future, you idiot. I certainly didn't get it from the bible.
Would you like a quarter to purchase a clue?No need. I have read Mathews gospel, you idiot.Clues are useless without the IQ to process them. My bad.
Yes. it is your "bad" and that is your downfall every time, princess. You only know what you have been led to know. This is why you cannot support anything that you claim about the bible. you just lie consistently and make shite up as you.
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@ethang5
Name dropping will not trick the educated into thinking you've been to school.
They were the titles of books , you idiot ! They weren't names.
You gave us your opinion. Other people gave different answers.
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@ethang5
So you have asked for my evidence AGAIN that Christians are on the decline. I have given it to you repeatedly, two whole pages full of evidence from church leaders themselves. Here #52 & #53 You have ignored and dismissed it. I don't care that is up to you.
NOW:
Show us evidence that Christian gains are outnumbering Christian losses?
No biblical evidence offered when requested.
ethang5 wrote: I can show you regular church services of 5,000 people, and they have 2 services every morning.#13
No evidence offered when asked for proof.
Again no proof offered.
Requested supporting evidence. None given.
Asked for supporting evidence. None given
Not a shred of evidence to support that claim. as with all of his claims.
Again, no supporting evidence for such a silly and pathetic claim.
Asked repeatedly to prove that the Christian gains are outweighing the decline of practising Christians? None was forthcoming.
So any reader can see.;
ethang5 will make unsupported statements repeatedly and lie. He will then accuse you of spamming when forced to show him repeatedly evidence to support your claims while he never ever offers a single shred of evidence to support his own claims. ...not even for claims he's made about Jesus and the bible . This alone can only prove him to be a cold and calculating barefaced LIAR!
... that is because any claims made by ethang5 cannot ever be supported because they are lies. Anyone that engages ethang5 can expect nothing but lies diversion and denial.
But what can anyone seriously expect from a man that claims that 8+ million Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians;
Jehovah Witnesses getting in on the failed prediction bullshite act has it. They are Christians, aren't they??Err. No. .#14
And that over 14 million! Mormons are not Christians either:
..the rapid decline of Christians isn't helped any by you claiming that 8 +million Jehovah Witnesses are not Christians , either.Lol. Neither are Mormons, #48
Good luck to anyone willing to take on this calculating devious LIAR. He will accuse you of doing everything that he does himself without a single blush, or pang of conscience.
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@ethang5
You should try >> reading<< The Rise and fall Of he Roman Empire, petal. But not before you have taxed your pea with a reading of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. There is quite a lot about the making of Christianity in both those books.. You should also give Flavius Josephus a go too. He tells it a bit more honest than the New Testament and minus the so called "miracles". Off you go.
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