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@secularmerlin
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@Sum1hugme
The post is specifically about the failure of the Ontological Argument to include an empirical element. Without it, it will never bridge the gap between a specific concept and knowledge.
One IT, two IT, three IT four, five IT six IT, seven IT more.
Add all the ITs, plus some synergy, now IT IS, dynamic energy.
Energy to some, is physical reality, what lays beyond, may exist as Gravity ( ).
Dark Energy )( accelerating out, these latter two are opposites, of this I have no doubt.
Energy we know, as a mudpie hits our eye, and that which lies beyond, as semi-Pi-in-the-sky.
Conceptual that is, Metaphysical-1, 'a unified whole' states Todd, so he names IT god.
So this spiri-1 god, as a trancendental equilibrum, only sprouts its face, from our bilateral cerebrum.
Nature abhors a truly empty space, so Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy)( , become our saving Grace.
Grace invaginates herself, her cloning is eternal, popping in (><) and out <)(>, mass as our cosmic kernel.
.................................Space(> * <) i (> * <)Space......................................
Spin-torque-orbit, inside-out-expand-contract, this only leaves precession, two-masses-dancing, in radiant light.
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@secularmerlin
......stream of conciousness (you are the sum of your experiences).......
Conscious memory is not same as celluar memory and both are sum of individuals experiences.
Individual memories prior to first in-spirited breath, and,
Independent individual memories post first In-spirited breath. (>In<).
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@secularmerlin
This "starting" point may or may not change throughout ones life but in general does not start until one is at minimum a few years old.
1}When the egg becomes fertilized.
....note: So just as some memories of ones life stick around, it would never be clear to me at what date they occurred. My earlist memories I can place and approximate date on, are those I can reference to events in 1st or 2nd grade, and one to my 6th birthday party.
2} cleavage [ dividing of fertilised eg/cell },
3} blastulation,
4} gastrulation { 3 germ layers --trinary set-- are formed } and the primitive streak is formed,
....note; ..."What we are actually seeing when we look at a primitive streak are moving cells. They are going from the epiblast and moving down so they end up between the original epiblast layer and the hypoblast. I’ve always imagined the motion like water falling down a waterfall. The first layer to invaginate [---inversion---] dives the deepest and ends up closest to the hypoblast – this is the endoderm. The next layers will become the mesoderm, and the cells of the epiblast that continue to border the amniotic cavity are the ectoderm.
5} neurulation as result of inversion forms noto chord,
.....Space(>In<) i (>In<)Space........
Does the Uinverse invaginate/invert before a a BIG BANG! { patriarchal } aka the The Big Grunt { matricarchal } or as The next WOW! { non-gender specific }
The egg is biologic life as is the sperm, and together they create synergetic individual that may some day be born-out as an independent individual that takes its first in-spire-rational breath air/oxygen.
Synergy = organize { to cay i.e. to gradually form collective set of organization, sand, rock, biologic coral }
Death = decay { disintegrate /disorder }
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@Bringerofrain
Thanks. I will watch those to see if I can understand more
Your welcome, and understand, that, if finite, eternally existent, occupied space Universe has the two, terminal, entropic, thermal-dynamic states occurring, my question to self and others, are those states of equlibrium ---nature abhors equlibrium and a vaccuum---, it is possible that the reason EMRadidaition appears a constant irrespective to observers speed, is because Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy ---the diametric opposites in my presented torus--- are both in a state of equlibrium?
The sine-wave in my tori, is a resultant of inversions { dropping-IN } from Gravity (><) and Dark Energy <)(> at those diametric opposite outer and inner peak of curvature surfaces?
....(>In<)(>In<)..........inversions from Gravity and Dark Energy
.....(>*<)(>*<).......observer { ergo quantised photons } or others for other interfering sets of tori
.....( S*t) i (S*t).........occupied Space, *( observer ), relative time{ t aka Observed Time
.....S)pace(S*t) i (S*t)Space.....Space as the macro-infinite, non-occupied Space existent outside of ergo Meta{beyond}physical2, 3, and 4 Universe.
Gravity = Metaphysical-3,because it has not been quantised nor quantified,
Dark Energy = Metaphysical-4, because it has not been quantised nor quantified
i = ego { self-identity } ergo Metphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
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@Bringerofrain
Google gives me nothing. What does the above statement mean?
1] you apparrently did not watch the Roger Penrose video I presented in #1,
2} I googled "entropic thermal equlibirum" and go the following;
.......2c} the fifth entry on the above URL is course.luminars and that blurb looks relevant,
.......2d} as does the one that follows it, www.nature.
Also first time I watch the Penrose LINK above #1 post, there was another utube in sidebar that I watched and it was titled something like, 'what happened before the big bang, by a scientist at the Fermi lab in Il. When I went back to find that utube it was not there, but I recall he also spoke of entropci thermal-dynamic equlibrium before the BB,
Found it here it is also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr6nNvw55C4
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@FLRW
Both companies said in January that they were developing booster shots specifically to tackle the B.1.351 variant.
Looking forward to those shots. Maybe a lot of sore arms if the shots keep coming next few years!
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@FLRW
Atheist: I dont belive in @#$% e,rgo, let the @#$% fall were it will
Rain { idiot savant }Man: I sure wish I ddint have to remmeber all this @#$%
Dorothy in Land of Oz: Follow the brown @#$% road to nearest large tree
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@Benjamin
Theologians still reject the obvious conclusion that God, being a trinity, should indeed be called "they".
..."TAOISM: Shit happens.
CONFUCIANISM: Confucious says, "@#$% happens."
BUDDHISM: If shit happens, it isn't really @#$%
HINDUISM: This @#$% has happened before.
PROTESTANTISM: If @#$% happens, it happens to someone else.
CATHOLICISM: If @#$% happens, you deserved it.
JUDAISM: Why does @#$% always happen to US?
ISLAM: If @#$% happens, kill the person(s) responsible.
More-From: sunne!East!bruces (Bruce Sesnovich - Sun BOS Information Architecture)
EXISTENTIALISM: @#$% doesn't happen; shit is.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: No @#$% happens until Armaggedon.
ISLAM: When @#$% happens, kill Salman Rushdie.
SECULAR HUMANISM: @#$%evolves.
REFORM JUDAISM: Got any Kaopectate?
CHRISTIAN SCIENCE: When@#$% doesn't happen, don't call a doctor--pray."......
Hippie Religion: whoa man, that was some good @#$%!
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What if, entropic thermal equlilibrium is a state of constant/invariance and that,
the diametric opposites of a toroidal outer, and inner curvature ----i.e. Metaphysical-3 { spirit-3 } ultra-micro Gravity ( ) and,
Metaphysical-4{ spirit-4 } ultra-micro Dark Energy )(----, are states/phases of entropic, thermal equlibrium? Symbolised as; <<< (<>S*t<>) terminal end<<< ( <>S*t<>) terminal beginning/initiaing events
In doing so, we may then say, that when a photon drops in (><) from some combination of these two peak-of-curvature (>*<) i (>*<) , entropic thermal equlibrium states/phases, that, such a photon appears to us { * * } as a constant invariant speed-of-radiance, irrespective of our speed toward or away from the incoming photon.
( )( ) = Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )(
S = occupied space
* = event as observer having relationship to other occupied space and relative time events
Occupied space is always broken symmetry. Ex two kinds of quark compose hadrons { heavy matter particles } ergo Universe is always broken symmetry.
1001 = symmetry ergo closer to purity of Metaphysical-1 { spiri-1 } mind/intellect/concepts and especially those that are inviolate
t = relative time
Observed Time is also relative time maybe consider as synonyms. I dunno
outer peak of curvature of torus..............................1*................................5*................7*....................................11*..................
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inside torus tube top peak of sine-wave.......0......................................................*6*.........................................................
inside torus tube bottom peak of sine-wave..............................*3*...................................................*9*............................
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inner peak-of-curvature......................................................*2.............*4...................................*.8................*10......................
.."251.06 The gravitational-radiational constant 10F^2 + 2".... { Synergetics LINK }
Ive long associated EMRadiation with 10 great circles { tori } of the 5-fold icosa{20}hedron. What if the ultra-micro outer surface limit of 10F^2 is frequency { cycle in torus } 10 i.e. 10 * 10 = 100, and 100 * 10 = 1000 and we add 2 ergo 1002.
My thinking is as follows;
0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 is one cycle around the tube of the torus, and 1002 maybe the peak number of cycles before a photon drops inside the tube as our observed invariant constant speed. I dunno just thinking out loud as to why radiation always appears as a invariant constant to all observers.
3 * 7 * 11 = 1001 and that has nice symmetry to it, and 1002 breaks the symmetry --as Universe is always tainted/off-center asymmetrical--- as a photon dropping inside the tube as indirect, sine-wave observation by us, via our observation of energy-levels-of-electron increasing or decreasing by one quantum photon value.
One loop around whole torus ---symbolised as ( ( ) ) ---- is any combination of tube cycles of six enumerated events.
Remmber this all goes back to my recent other post regarding two terminal states of Universe;
1} prior to high frequency big bang and,
2} at longest wave epanded outward ending, with both of those states being entropic thermal equlibrium ergo;
<<<<<Flow-of-time<<<<(<>S*t<>)<<terminal end<<<( <>S*t<>)<<terminal beginning/initiating events <<<<<<<
See Roger Penrose LINK and there are other scientists who arrived at same conclusion
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..."Whereas the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine uses 30 micrograms of mRNA, Moderna’s contains 100. (The company gave an even higher dose of its vaccine in earlier clinical studies, but found it sometimes led to serious side effects.) Both vaccines require two doses separated by several weeks. A key difference is that the Pfizer/BioNTech candidate must be stored at –70°C, whereas Moderna’s can be kept at –20°C. Moderna revealed today that once thawed, its vaccine can remain stable for 30 days at 2°C to 8°C, home refrigerato r temperatures. In much of the world, maintaining a cold chain for a –70°C vaccine presents formidable challenges, and even –20°C presents obstacles."....
I'm still attempting to find person-man at Moderna who discovered the correct pathway discover out of 1000's of poosible shapes sequences that led to this shape to inject into a cell.
I heard him on NPRadio. Moderna then passed that discovery to Phyzier since this viral Pandemic was a one for all, and, all for one endeavor.
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Part 5a :
.."mRNA is single stranded, linear, and it is prevented from binding to itself so that ribosomes can attach and translate proteins from it.
tRNA is complex, many of the nucleotides on tRNA are post-transcriptionally modified"....
and subsequently
...."The easiest way to remember is, is “string” (mRNA), “cloverleaf/L” (tRNA), “ball-of-wool” (rRNA)."..
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Part 5:
..."mRNA has a linear structure having uracil base instead of thymine, and its secondary structure could be hairpin, stem-loop, etc. ;
..while tRNA has Cloverleaf structure that carries three specific stem-loops; and
...rRNA has much complex structure with numerous folds and loops."....
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Part 4:
..."Current vaccines were designed around earlier versions of coronavirus, but scientists believe they should still work, although perhaps not quite as well.
A recent study suggests the Brazilian variant may be resisting antibodies in people who should have some immunity because they have caught and recovered from an earlier version of coronavirus.
Early lab results, however, suggest the Pfizer vaccine can protect against the new variants, although slightly less effectively.
Data from the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine team suggests it protects just as well against the new UK variant. It offers less protection against the South Africa variant - although it should still protect against severe illness.
Early results from Moderna suggest its vaccine is effective against the South Africa variant, although the immune response may not be as strong or long-lasting."......
It appears to me, that, the current mRNA vaccines appear to be winning the battle with known variants.
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...Pfizer Vice President and Chief Scientific Officer of Viral Vaccines Dr. Philip Dormitzer spoke at OSU’s inaugural INTERACT Eminent Speaker Series.
During his speech, he said the Pfizer vaccine protects against the variants from the U.K., South Africa and Brazil. However, clinical data is needed to be sure, Kit Longley, Senior Manager of Science Media Relations for Pfizer, later told KFOR."....
During his speech, he said the Pfizer vaccine protects against the variants from the U.K., South Africa and Brazil. However, clinical data is needed to be sure, Kit Longley, Senior Manager of Science Media Relations for Pfizer, later told KFOR."....
....."On the other hand, it could be a constantly changing virus like the flu that requires repeated immunizations.
.....“If I were to guess, I would think it is more likely to not be quite like the flu,” Dormitzer said. “Coronaviruses are different. They have a much lower rate of change. I am surprised by how much change we have seen. I wonder how much is really being driven by immunity and how much is being driven by this virus still adapting to growth in humans. The key is we are going to be prepared for whatever it is we have to do.”
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Part 2:
...."Immunization with either the Pfizer-BioNtech or Moderna vaccine significantly increased memory B cells and CD4+ T cell responses to both the vaccine-matched Wuhan-Hu-1 strain and the mismatched B.1.351 variant. { south africa }
......Moreover, both vaccines induced an approximately 1000-fold increase in neutralizing antibody titers against both strains.
....The researchers say the findings suggested that the observed increase in neutralizing antibody responses post-vaccination was primarily due to an increase in anti-RBD antibodies.".......
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Part-1;
...."mRNA vaccines use lab-created mRNA encapsulated within nanoparticles. mRNA vaccines deliver mRNA directly to the cytoplasm.
....Once the mRNA is in the cytoplasm ribosomes translate it, which results in the creation of a protein antigen that triggers an immune response (Schlake, 2012). The mRNA does not enter the nucleus, and therefore cannot be incorporated into the genome.
....Its presence in the cell is transient, and it is quickly metabolized and eliminated via cellular processing mechanisms (Mulligan, 2020). mRNA vaccines do not utilize any element of an organism. Unlike conventional vaccines, which can take months to produce, mRNA vaccines can be created quickly and are more easily scaled because they use an organism’s genetic code."....
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@TheUnderdog
.......................................Space( time ) i ( time )Space...................................
..........................................Space( S*t ) i ( S*t )Space.......................................
..........................................Space( /\/\/ ) i ( /\/\/ )Space...............................
..........................................Space( >*<) i (>*<)Space.....................................
In reference to the above,
Space = macro-infinite non-occupied Space, outside of finite, occupied Space Universe,
i = Metaphysical-1{ spirit-1 } self-identiy as ego,
S*t = Space { occupied Space } via observer event that observes or has indirect knowledge of relationship withtin context of relative time periods i.e. relativity in regards to our occupied Space physical/reality
/\/\/ = sine-wave pattern associations to occupied Space fermions and bosons or any hybrid thereof,
>*< = inversions of from peak of positive and negative curvature of a individual tori that I believe compose every fermionic and bosonic particles of Universe. Again the * symbolizes and observer event of our occupied Space physical reality, that, can vary from simplest example of one half of twoness as awareness phenomena, to the most complex woman * * { /**\ }and less complex man * * { *Y* }.
My Cosmic Trinary Outline ---as well as other threads Ive started here at DArt--- may have a broader set of information bits for you if you interested in more from me.
It is trinary turtles alll the way inward to gravition { truncated di-pyramind } that, I believe, is composed of a minimal circumferential/peripheral 9 { 3 * 3 } vertexial events and 15 { 3 * 5 } lines of relationship.
If there exists a internal spinal chord axis of the graviton then the number of vertexes becomes 10, 11, 12 or 13 and,
18 circumferential ines-of-relationship plus a internal numerical value of lines-of-realtionships, that, I cannot recall off the top of head at the moment and varies depending on how many vertexial events we assign to any spina chord of the graviton.
Hope that helps you to better understand where I'm coming from.
P.S. in my numerical, spiral, helixex torus with inversion-outversions, I take note of the reultant and internal to the torus tube a numerical sine-wave pattern that ihas trinayr base as does all fermionic matter of Unvierse. Ex 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18...etc..36 and there exists 18 flavored quarks and 18 flavored anti-quarks.
When the fertilized egg inverts, three germ-layers are created, emdoderm-mesoderm- ectoderm.
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It’s interesting you only replied to that question. Normally you aren’t withdrawn
I dont recall you asking me any other questions. I responded to two or more of your comments.
If you need more from me on specifiic issue, I can make some attempt to do so.
........................................Space( time ) i ( time )Space...................................
..........................................Space( S*t ) i ( S*t )Space.......................................
..........................................Space( /\/\/ ) i ( /\/\/ )Space...............................
..........................................Space( >*<) i (>*<)Space.....................................
In reference to the above,
Space = macro-infinite non-occupied Space, outside of finite, occupied Space Universe,
i = Metaphysical-1{ spirit-1 } self-identiy as ego,
S*t = Space { occupied Space } via observer event that observes or has indirect knowledge of relationship withtin context of relative time periods i.e. relativity in regards to our occupied Space physical/reality
/\/\/ = sine-wave pattern associations to occupied Space fermions and bosons or any hybrid thereof,
>*< = inversions of from peak of positive and negative curvature of a individual tori that I believe compose every fermionic and bosonic particles of Universe. Again the * symbolizes and observer event of our occupied Space physical reality, that, can vary from simplest example of one half of twoness as awareness phenomena, to the most complex woman * * { /**\ }and less complex man * * { *Y* }.
My Cosmic Trinary Outline ---as well as other threads Ive started here at DArt--- may have a broader set of information bits for you if you interested in more from me.
It is trinary turtles alll the way inward to gravition { truncated di-pyramind } that, I believe, is composed of a minimal circumferential/peripheral 9 { 3 * 3 } vertexial events and 15 { 3 * 5 } lines of relationship.
If there exists a internal spinal chord axis of the graviton then the number of vertexes becomes 10, 11, 12 or 13 and,
18 circumferential ines-of-relationship plus a internal numerical value of lines-of-realtionships, that, I cannot recall off the top of head at the moment and varies depending on how many vertexial events we assign to any spina chord of the graviton.
Hope that helps you to better understand where I'm coming from.
P.S. in my numerical, spiral, helixex torus with inversion-outversions, I take note of the reultant and internal to the torus tube a numerical sine-wave pattern that ihas trinayr base as does all fermionic matter of Unvierse. Ex 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18...etc..36 and there exists 18 flavored quarks and 18 flavored anti-quarks.
When the fertilized egg inverts, three germ-layers are created, emdoderm-mesoderm- ectoderm.
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@zedvictor4
And what you suggest, may or may not be relatively correct.
Bosoninc forces are fact. I see you mention matter but rarely if ever bosons ergo bosonic forces i.e. you leave out some significant facts.
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@Reece101
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@Benjamin
C: There exists a first cause
False. There is no cosmic 1st cause of our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
There are only a finite set of nitiating set of circumstances, that, we can assign to whatever finite time period, withtin context of and eternal existence of Universe, in various phases/transfromations of its existence.
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@Reece101
How about time is measurement of variation in motion.
Metaphysical-1 time is not motion. It is the finite units of measurement ex seconds, minutes, hours, days
Observed { experienced } Time is motion, that, inherently is associated with sine-wave /\/\/\/ frequency patterns.
EMRadiation { bosonic photons } has two such sine-wave pattern ats 90 degrees { + } to each other.
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....above is considered known facts. Ex entropic thermal equillibrium initiating terminal point-of-view at two places in the ->>Arrow-of-Time->> of Universe's existent.....
Correction, entropic thermal equilibrium at either terminal end of cyclic Universe, is not a fact. Rather it is presumed to be what occurs, based on most cosmologist understanding of Universe.
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Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space, surrounds/embraces our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe aka Uni-V-erse.
Eternal cycling of two terminal ending times of our universe, wtih each terminal ending time being entropic thermal equlibirum (<>S*t<>)
( ) = Gravitational boundary of finite Universe
<> = entropic thermal equilibrium
S = occupied Space
* = quantum event observer as otherness, clock, consciousness ---twoness is mininmal set for otherness ergo awareness of and other----
t = relative time
T = ->> Arrow-of-Time ->>
What I attempt to present in following is expanding Universe two terminal ending points-of-view that are believed to be what has existed and will exist in future Universe
(<>S*t<>) -> ((S*t)) ->> ( ST ( ST ( ST ( ST ( (S*t) ST ) ST ) ST ) ST ) ->> (<>S*t<>) ->>
S*t is threeness set occupied Space and awareness of occupied Spacer and the background against which occupied Space, * { quantum } event observer and relative time.
LINK to Roger Penrose Conformal Cosmological Cyclic Universe where some of the above is considered known facts. Ex entropic thermal equillibrium initiating terminal point-of-view at two places in the ->>Arrow-of-Time->> of Universe's existent.
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@zedvictor4
In reality there is no such thing as Spacetime fabric....
False. There is and it is Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )( which are diametric opposite curvatures of a torus an more specifically my numerical, spiral/helixed and two poles of inversion at each peak of curvature. peak >( )< peak >( )< Peak
Just a Universe containing matter,
Fermionic matter and bosinic forces
Seemingly bound by physical laws....Therefore, things occur as they do.
False. Occupied space is comlpemented by involate, cosmic, physical laws/principles.
Conatractive { mass-atracitive } Gravity ( ) space fabric, contains/embraces are fermionic matter and bosonic forces.
Dark Energy )( space fabric repulses { expands } space between some fermionic matter and bosonic forces.
Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space, surrounds/embraces our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe aka Uni-V-erse.
Eternal cycling of two terminal ending times of our universe, wtih each terminal ending time being entropic thermal equlibirum (<>S*t<>)
( ) = Gravitational boundary of finite Universe
<> = entropic thermal equilibrium
S = occupied Space
* = quantum event observer as otherness, clock, consciousness ---twoness is mininmal set for otherness ergo awareness of and other----
t = relative time
T = ->> Arrow-of-Time ->>
What I attempt to present in following is expanding Universe two terminal ending points-of-view that are believed to be what has existed and will exist in future Universe
(<>S*t<>) -> ((S*t)) ->> ( ST ( ST ( ST ( ST ( (S*t) ST ) ST ) ST ) ST ) ->> (<>S*t<>) ->>
S*t is threeness set occupied Space and awareness of occupied Spacer and the background against which occupied Space, * { quantum } event observer and relative time.
LINK to Roger Penrose Conformal Cosmological Cyclic Universe where some of the above is considered known facts. Ex entropic thermal equillibrium initiating terminal point-of-view at two places in the ->>Arrow-of-Time->> of Universe's existent.
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@3RU7AL
THE TWO CONCEPTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO FUNDAMENTALLY SEPARATE.
Except that, some time is epxerienced as quanta and quantifief ergo Observed Time or Experiential Time and this our sine-wave /\/\/\/ associated physical reality.
Utlra-micro Gravity ( ) and ultra micro-Dark Energy )( have not, and may never ebe quantised nor quantified ergo remain in catagory of Meatphysical-3, and 4 respectively even tho they are in motion as fundmental occupied space geodesics.
When ever we see Space as a something that is expanding contracting etc, we always have to ask what is the Space? Fundamentally ---at most basic--- it is occupied Space Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )( and they are diametric opposites.
And then there is one other set of diametric opposites and each are at 90 degrees to positive shaped Gravity ( ) and negative shaped Dark Energy )( and that is two conditions of flat space, i.e the transiational space of torus that occurrs half-way between being peak of positive or peak of negative curvature. See LINK
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@3RU7AL
Human decision making and action is NOT fundamentally distinguishable from the "purely neutral" computer program.
In some circumstances that may be true, while in others, and given enough consideration, ove enough time, we can winnow out the differrence between AI decission making process and the humans decission making processes.
This is what occurred i the original Blade Runner { Harrison Ford } with the AI droid being subjected to psyhcological profile of questions to determine if it was AI or human. So it shoots the human and now were left to ask it why. They didnt go into that in the movie.
Roger Penrose's lays out the four things AI can never do that hwhich humans do, in regard to Artificial consciousness vs human consciousness with full access to their mind accessing and emotional faculties.
1} artistic appraisal
2}
3}
4}
See LINK to this....Lucas-Penrose argument abuot Godells Theorm. ......"That is, his result shows that either (i) the human mind is not a Turing machine or (ii) there are certain unsolvable mathematical problems. However, Lucas (1998: paragraph 1) goes even further and argues “it is clear that Gödel thought the second disjunct false,” that is Gödel “was implicitly denying that any Turing machine could emulate the powers of the human mind.” So, perhaps the first thinker to endorse a version of the Lucas-Penrose"..... argument was Gödel himself.
and
..."5. Other Anti-Mechanism Arguments
Finally, there are some alternative anti-mechanism arguments to Lucas-Penrose. Two are briefly mentioned. McCall (1999) has formulated an interesting argument. A Turing machine can only know what it can prove, and to a Turing machine, provability would be tantamount to truth. But Gödel’s theorem seems to imply that truth is not always provability. The human mind can handle cases in which truth and provability diverge. A Turing machine, however, cannot. But then we cannot be Turing machines. A second alternative anti-mechanism argument is formulated in Cogburn and Megill (2010). They argue that, given certain central tenets of Intuitionism, the human mind cannot be a Turing machine."...
Finally, there are some alternative anti-mechanism arguments to Lucas-Penrose. Two are briefly mentioned. McCall (1999) has formulated an interesting argument. A Turing machine can only know what it can prove, and to a Turing machine, provability would be tantamount to truth. But Gödel’s theorem seems to imply that truth is not always provability. The human mind can handle cases in which truth and provability diverge. A Turing machine, however, cannot. But then we cannot be Turing machines. A second alternative anti-mechanism argument is formulated in Cogburn and Megill (2010). They argue that, given certain central tenets of Intuitionism, the human mind cannot be a Turing machine."...
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@secularmerlin
1} moral integrity = subjectively applied Metaphysical-1 { spirit-1 } standards to self and others with a goal of 100% practice, that, if maintained by all individuals, the balance of justice, liberty, freedom fairness is reached at 100% and we have peace and harmony irrespective of standard of living
2} intellectual integrity = subjectively applied, Metaphysical-1 { spirit-1 } rational, logical common sense thoughts, based on a scientific method of approach to all considerations were confronted with, provided necessary time for reconsideration being allowed, and new nicoming data/info
* i * = I ---Metaphysical-1 { spirit-1 }-- exist as an occupied space something with access to the above #1 and #2 via my experiences of occupied space something environment, that, may or may not include others, similar to my bilateral biologic physiology
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@3RU7AL
AI may help us to find a way around end-time{s]-of-humanity aka dooms-day.
If BI { biological intelligence } is symbolised by bilateral nervous system ( * * ), then what is the symbol for AI?
( * ) ergo cyclopic AI? Mono-thiestic AI?
( ********* ) ergo multiple points-of-view simultaneously?
( /*\*/*\/*\/* } ergo wireless EMRadiation intelligence?
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historically flat Earth philosopy was either;
1} it goes on infinitely, or,
2} you sail to the edge and fall off into infinite non-occupied space.
As I made clear previous.y, early sea-peoples with proper visual age, could see a ship with tall mast sailing out to sea, and gradually they can not see lower parts of ship and the only the taller mast of ship, and then gradually that too seems to be sinking away from our view. Erg;
either the ship is sinking or the horizon is curved. So it is curved but eventually if get to the bottom of the curvature, then the ship will fall off into macro-infinite non-occupied space. H,mmm, just as in those days, such ideas were going to need a lot of deep or great cosmic thinking, these days we need similar thinking in regards to a finite, occupied space Universe.
With an eternally existent Arrow-of-Time --->> (T)(T)(T(T)(Time)>>--- Universe, and seemingly expanding realtive space-time ---(( <S t> ))( ( ( <S t> ) ) )( ( ( ( <S t> ) ) ) )---, with two end points-of-veiw as entropic thermal equilibrium occuring as;
1} some terminal initiating Big Bang { tune-IN } point-of-view (S*t), and,
2] some terminal ending Tuned-OUT point-of-view { ( S*t ) }.
See this LINK to Conformal Cosmological Cyclic Universe to attempt to understand that scale, as clock to point-of-view appears is seemingly shrunk at maximal expansion of Universe, as entropic thermal equilibrium and vice-versa. Go too 2:15 in the video to get the idea of scale in Roger Penroses presentation.
What interests me is to show this above in a linear fashion, and it occurred to me, that, if we are riding along on a seemingly, linear beam of a radiating photon what do we see in this scenario above? It occurs to me, that, we intuit in some direction, that an event horizon of curvature, that, is very slowly moving away from us, or.,the other way around, i.e. we are getting further away from the event horizon curvature. Why?
Well, we [ * * } are in the tube-of-reality /\/\/\/ aka Observed Time /\/\/\/ Universe /\/\/\/, with ultra-micro, Metaphysical-3, Gravity ( /\/\/\/ ) one side of us, and, ultra-micro Metaphysical-4, Dark Energy )( on the other side of us.
Those two or the diametric, 180 degree opposites as outer and inner curvature. And we have two other curvatures, that are at 90 degrees to outer { Gravity } and inner { Dark Energy } and those two are the transition points of flat curvature, between transition from outer to inner or inner to outer curvature.
S*t = our relative Space-time as follows below we see expanding Space of Universe over periods of the >>>>>Arrow-of-Time >>>>>
>>>>>(S*t)(( <S*t> ))( ( ( <S*t> ) ) )( ( ( ( <S*t> ) ( ( ( ( ( <S*t> ) ) ) ) )>>>>
So next, how do we present the two terminal ending points-of-view associated with entropic thermal equilibrium? (<>S*t<>)?
>>>>>(<>S*t<>)(( <S*t> ))( ( ( <S*t> ) ) )( ( ( ( <S*t> ) ( ( ( ( ( <>S*t<> ) ) ) ) )( < > S * t < > ) >>>>
Ok so in the video of CCC, the speak of stretched out, yet being in thermal equilibrium, and that is what show in latter end of the line of text above.
So the geometry of what we are as equilibrium is the same and the scale transfer we still experience the same, even tho we are stretched out, we do not percieve ourselves any differrent from the terminal intiatin point-of-view (<>S*t<>). So if the space is stretched out, how does it do that without violating law/principle of naught is created nor lost?
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@3RU7AL
Thank you for your contribution.
Welcome for what is worth.
1} the LINK to fermi lab scientists "before the big bang" I mentioned
2} ( ) = emblolden finite Universe spatial and time boundary in my previous,
......2a} (*) = our peak curvature event horizon, beyond which, we cannot see the past, or future of entropic thermal ship arriving from the beyond the curved horizon .... (*)......,
.......2b} (T) = we are Time as linear radiation and do not Observe Relative Time relative of (*), and our linear trajectory looses sight of relative ship --beyond the curvature--- because of our speed and angle of trajectory going away from the ship,
..........2bb} caveat to the latter above: what if Gravity curves the seemingly linear radiation (T)? It does but the rate of curvature is so small, that, relative to curvature of Universe of Gravity and Dark Energy, the angle of viewpoint is still to great to be of significance for observer as photon clock/scale to be tune-in to the ship ---also moving-- beyond the curvature.....
...........2c} (S)(S) = Occupied Space but now as take a 2nd look at my thoughts, I wonder if I have the S and T reversed.
Adjusting as follows so as we have Space-time (St) wherein smal t is relative time ergo Observed Time that includes linear radiation, and,
arrow of time as (T) i.e. time is eternal in it conceptual direction. Sorry of the change.
Just trying find clarity to complex view { expresiion } of eternally existent Universe that has repeating cycles of seemingly entropic thremal equilibrium.
((St)) > ((T)(T)(T)(T)(St)) > ((St)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(St)) > ((St)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(St)) > ((St)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T)(T(St))
We start/iniitate with ((St)) however, that is really initiating arbitrary center point as entropic thermal equilibrium, that, eternally reoccurs.
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@3RU7AL
What is your personally preferred "center-point of the cosmos"?
Currently it is believed that our finite Universe is 500 times larger that what we see or ever can see, or so says at least one scientist at the Fermi-lab.
Options for a spherical, if not slightly lumpy sphere, or as combination of many tori that sum total to lumpy spherical collection of tori;
We cannot see beyond the event horizon --the ship sailing away-- because of curvature.
Perhaps we cannot see beyond 10 to negative 13th, because the event horizon is curved.
Perhaps we cannot see beyond a current observe-able Universe, and our future Universe, because the event horizon is curved.
We do project a trajectory of our current Universe, that leads to high state of entropy --aka thermal equilibrium--- an that is what we see at the other end of the same trajectory going back in time, a state of high entropic thermal equilibrium.,
Nature abhors equilibrium just a nature abhors a vacuum ergo, we identify the state of highest peak of curvature, as entropic, thermal equilibrium and assign it the label of zero space and time. O or as (), or as ( ) or as ( ), or as ( ), or even as ( ).
However, the shape is still the same so all that is needed is to cancel out scale {observing clock } of space and time, not the actual space and time events. I.e. the observer is key to the scale.
Ex (*) as the observer clock/scale in the following;
((*)) > ( (*) ) > ( (*) ) > ( (*) ) > ( (*) ) >
So we have the above, next as follows we see the scale/clock observer becomes like the photon that does not see space or time, i.e. the observe scale/clock cancels out the space and time, even tho it it still exists around, them, but they cannot see beyond the event horizon of curvature and we will label this area as S with no T for Time.
((*)) > ((*)SSS(*)) > ((*)SSSSSS(*)) > ((*)SSSSSSSSS(*)) > ((*)SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS(*)) > etc
So next,in all of the above have the (*) observer clock/scale be (T) for Time. We see time but we cannot see beyond the horizon of time events ergo we cannot see the beyond a see beyond a our limit peak of curvature events. We speculate that something lies beyond that curvature, but we as Time on a scale of radiation as time, cannot see beyond our more linear or 2D set of Time, to see beyond a limit Time as related to scale/clock of curvature of Space(?).
((T)) > ((T)SSS(T)) > ((T)SSSSSS(T)) > ((T)SSSSSSSSS(T)) > ((T)SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS(T)) > etc
We cannot ever see beyond the curvature of (T) and cannot see observe/clock Gravity and Dark Energy ( )( )( ) ergo we only have projections of their existence beyond our event horizon limits.
((T)) > ((T)(S)(S)(S)(T)) > ((T)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(T)) > ((T)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(T)) > ((T)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S)(S(T))
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@Theweakeredge
..."The height of an adult is much less than one millionth of the Earth's radius. In order to see the curvature of the Earth in a single field of view, you would need to be perched above the surface a sizable fraction of that radius, and one millionth wouldn't be considered "sizable.”....
see 'crowsnest' on mast of a ship 1807 first recording of crowsnest LINK
Howver, since humans have been sailing seas long before 1807, high perches, ergo top of the mast, on a ship-boat-raft may have occurred and with proper visual aides the tip of the mast could still be seen tho the ship could not. From that one could conclude;
1} the ship was sinking,
2} the seas are curved ergo the Earth is curved.
Mathematics and spherical Earth ideas originate with sea-peoples.
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@3RU7AL
Objective info = incoming >>>>In<<<< and in is point-to-able i.e. specific only direction
Subjective info = outgoing Out<<<>>>>Out is not point-to-able i.e. omni-directionally { multi-driectional } outward
Around ( )( ) is geodesic processing of info, and involves a 2nday set of in and out aroundings of each other before and outward subjection is applied { the resultant of an action }
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CLoser to end of the movie Rickover states he believes humanity is doomed because of nuclear power ergo nuclear weapons, as best as I can recall his statements. One of the clips from movie is Jimmy Carter asking iickover questions about nuclear power.
Jimmy Carter sat for interview with Rickover in early 50's. Rickovers interview process was also very quirky event also.
....."As a former "Qualified in Submarines" nuclear trained Nautilus sailor and having "survived" a Rickover interview at Naval Reactors, the movies was a very good movie. It somehow however did not fully get across how respected and feared the "KOG" (Kindly OLD Gentleman") was within the nuclear submarine force OR how iconic Rickover was. I will never forget my interview with him. He shouted at me and out of nervousness I shouted back. This is likely the reason I got the job."....
Above is Amazon review of the movie.
Also, one atomic sub did sink but is was not a reactor issue, it was coolant tube the caused the Threshers reactor to SCRAM { shutdown }. The more experienced operator had jus taken leave to be with his wife or something, so they had fresh out of training sailor. Not that would have made any differrence because, the event led to Rickover figuring out how to do a 'Fast Recover' in restarting the reactor so a sub would not loose its propulsion.
The other issue that could have saved the sub, was that some ballast tubes on this deep dive test, froze ergo they could not release the water in ballast so they could just float to surface. All subs after that had hot air heaters for the ballast tubes to keep the from freezing.
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0} 8 billion people, using systems that are ecological unsustain-able beyond 2232 { LINK } if not sooner,
....0a} watch movie "Rickover: Birth of Nuclear Power" to see extra-ordinary mans view of future of society/humanity, that, is similar to others scientist types who came out of this mans era (30's, 40's 50's 60's, 70's, 80's }
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Generally speaking, the right-wing { conservatives? } walk more in fear of;
1} loss of money { riches } above and beyond that of normal survival with an average savings account,
2} people of color and this is often leads to inability of ways to express their fears that are not violent or racist,
3} systemic way of life i.e. a change and transformations of culture and the known order ergo a fear of unknown,
4} government even tho government may assign them some degree of individual rights.
Generally speaking, left-wing walks more in fear of;
1} the violent { crazy } right-wing,
2} violent { crazy } left-wing,
3} violent [ crazy } independents.
Loss of structural integrity is equally feared by both sets of viewpoints.
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Oh yeah, his full name is Hyman Rickover. And this movie would have us believe, Rickover was never wrong in all of his engineering and political assessments of those who attempted to bypass or corrupt. You have to watch the whole movie to truly get the whole picture of this extra-ordinary man and this amazing story
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Also in regards to #1, there can never { eternally } exist, more than five, regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of Universe., or any other alledged universe.
There exists only three, primary, regular/symmetrical and structuraly stable polyhedra of Universe, from which all others are derived.
3-fold Tet{4}hedron { structure-system }
4-fold Octa{6}hedron { structure-system }
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5-fold Icossa{20}hedron{ stucture-system }
The non-structural, yet systemic, 4-fold cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron as Vector Equilibrious --12-around-1-- jitterbug exhibits all three of these polyhedra on four differrent axi of spin, torque, contraction-expansion, precession { 90 degrees } and inside-oute , as well as,
the two Euclidean sine-waves at 90 degrees to each other aka electro-magnetic radiations set of two sine-waves, tho there not Euclidean,
1/4 of saddle-shape ( )( ) of torus that is ergo positive Euclidean curature and 1/4 negative Euclidean curvature,
and at least 5 other exotic shapes-of-space.
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@zedvictor4
What is the alternative to time and space?
I seem to recall this question once before here at DArt.
1} if the finite set of cosmic physical/reality laws/principles were inviolate, then perhaps,
.......1a} only truly non-occupied space would exist,
2} there is no alternative to the eternally existence of occupied space and truly non-occupied space Universe,
.....2a} there may exist brief periods of time, when, sine-wave /\/\/ associated fermionic matter and bosonic forces did not exist, yet,
......2c} Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )( still existed eternally.
In regards to 2a, we add the caveat that, coding for all that is possible to exist, is coded inside and on the event horizon of black holes.
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"Rickover: Birth of Nuclear Power" can be seen on Amazon. I'm totally against nukes, however, this movie is a must watch for many differrent reasons.
1} most probably know as little of the history of Rickovers overall life, --as I do-- and this movie covers a lot!,
2} he was nothing like most of us --and most people--- and few would here would have guessed what he was like or his personal history.
3} I many times in my life time, Ive told people that first atomic submarine, the 'Nautilus', was built in 1954, by admiral Rickover, and when I came across this 2014 movie about him, I had to see it,
4} I gurranttee you, that, this movie covers a broad range history, philosophy, engineering, politics, corruption, truth, power, and statements by people who worked with, under or over Rickover and they all have some rich takes on Rickover, including presidents of what the man accomplished, and at least one says, why he would never had done what rickover did, and even Rickover says "he would be satisfied if nuclear power would have never been discoverd,
5} finally, this last part specifically goes out to 3RU, cause he sent me link to the small mobile thorium breeder reactors, that many know eat plutonioum if not other nuclear waste, ....'perhaps the greatest testament to Rickovers acheivments, is that no USA nuclear sub has ever had any meltdown or any significant nuclear issues.'......
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@RationalMadman
So, thank you for the comedy but I beg you that if you want to change from making soem users laugh and others be extremely bemused that you break down what you truly mean in a clearer, written format in plain English not text-design illustatrions.
Great RM, please share with me which words, sentences, text-design are not clear to you, and the alternative words, sentences, text-design, that, you believe would clarify concepts I'm trying to present.
Whats that you say, you have none to offer. Just as I expected. Old news.
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@janesix
Then you should know that renormalizing is fudging the numbers to fit your equations, and that the numbers are renormalized in black hole equations. Just saying, ya know. It's also called lying.
My use of the word may not be done in exact same way as Feynman was doing, so unless investigate specifics of my process, you may be in error in my set of circumstances
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@3RU7AL
For example, everyone seems to think they know exactly why I ask the questions that I tend to ask, and most of those "reasons" involve them projecting some level of "insincerity" onto my conscious intentions.Which can be an amazing strategy, because any protest I might offer magically becomes further "evidence" that can be used to confirm their original suspicion.
I agree with your above and understand it is lose/ose for any person in that situation.
Then there are intentions laid out clearly from in front and the results are not what is intended. That is differrent situation.
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@3RU7AL
I've known enough people to realize that you cannot predict what someone consciously intends to do.
I agree --intentions cannot be quantised-- and hat is partly what the role of psyhcology exists for, to know what peoples intentions were in the past and in predict their intentions in future.
However brain research has led to many new results in what parts of brain active of inactive for differrent kind of incoming information or emotions people of experiencing
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Arrow-of-Time >>> Past >>> In >>> ( * ) i ( * ) >>> Out >>> Future >>>.... { Metaphysical-1 abstract absolute }
--------conceptual line-of-demarcation-----------
Flow-of-Time <<< Past <<<< Out <<< ( * )i ( * ) <<< In <<< Future <<<<...{ Occupied Space Transformations }
i = ego identity as Metaphysical-1 { spirit-1 } mind/intellect/concept
* * = more complex, bilateral biologic
( ) = contractive { mass-attractive } ultra-micro Gravity { geodesic tensioning }
)( = repulsive { cosmological constant } ultra-mico Dark Energy { geodesic tensioning }
Observed Time { quantised } = Experiential Time { sine-wave compression patterning } ergo occupied space reality, that, stems from Gravity and Dark Energy inversions from outer and inner peak surface events of a spiral/helical torus patterning
Abstract Time = quantified time --ex seconds, minutes, hours days etc--- i.e. mathematical assessment of occupied space that is not yet quantised
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@FLRW
All biologics are a soul of synergistic processes.
Naught is created nor lost, only transformed.
The biologic/soul is transformed to less complex and less synergistic set of relationships/associations as death and decay become prevalent over synergy.
What disqualifies us from our religion, is the individuals loss of a set of specified practice/behavior, that, are the synergistic glue of systemic, and, structural integrity for that specified religion.
LINK to 'Philosophy for Happiness' by 17 year old with rare disease of Progeria. When two or more of us come together we have communion ergo the basis for all religions ergo church begins with twoness. OO
Twoness of the more complex bilateral souls/biologics begins with two hemi-spheres and bilateral [ two ] set of 31 spinal nerves.
..................................left.............( * ) i ( * )..........right...............................
Spirituality begins with finding our identity. Who am I? Who are we? Who are they?
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Prime numbers are significant. I don't know why.
I agree ergo that makes two of us that dont know why.
What my inside-outing { asymmetrical } of the symmetrical sine-wave 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ,6 is, that, all prime numbers except 2 and 3 are found on the outer, positive curvature peak of geodesic events surface, along with other non-prime numbers.
Symmetrical sine-wave is an abstract perfection ergo not our occupied space Universe, however, when the numerical four level symmetrical sine-wave is inside-outed ---as Ive presented--- we discover our observed physical reality { Observed or Experiential Time } is the sine-wave on the inside of the torus, and numerically 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27, 30, 33, 36 and their exists 36 kinds of flavored quarks.
18 flavored quarks
18 flavored anti-quarks
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@janesix
For some reason I am no longer able to copy and paste url's (t least from youtube) so I can not link to what I want you to see.
Umm, bummer Jane6
Anyway: plasmoid, not black hole.
ok, thank you Jane6. I will research plasmoid at center of most if not many or all galaxies. Thanks again
Also, "renormalizing" equwill ates to "lying".
Sorry Janre6, I have no idea what this latter above is in reference too. I dont recall the word renormalizing being used in this thread. I do use that word, as did R P. Feyman and others who in 30's, 40's or thereabouts needed to figure out a way to deal with the infinity values that were coming out of their quantum physics accounting.
I only use that word in regards to one, of two ways, to assign a 4D time value to Pi^4th power considerations at this LINK
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@secularmerlin
Even if you or I personally cannot find an answer in this conversation I'm sure we could do better.
Just as AI program is champion at Chess, Go and other games, climate modelin etc, process huge amounts of possible moves { options } AI programs are best option for offerring huge amoun to of scenarios { models/plans } for UBIncome mechanisms.
UBI is irrelevant to current modes of operating systems of humanity. It may be starting place, along with scenarios for clean water, clean air and reducing human caused erratic climate change on Earth.
I'm skeptical humanity will survive much beyond year 2232 and give my rational for arriving at that conclusion here LINK End time of Humanity.
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@secularmerlin
...I'm relatively certain that this is not Tarik's definition especially since he specified that he does not mean conciousness......
I saw two openings to express my thoughts and clarity on definitions, so I chose yours to reply to. Your welcome and good luck with others definitions and clarity.
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@secularmerlin
SOUL
Soul = biologic ergo complex consciousness i.e. consciousness is at minimum twoness aka otherness OO or as * * i.e. two events, is least complex set of consciousness. They share a line-of- relationship but that gets into more complicated set of physics.
Woman { Xx--2ndary symbolisastion as /**\---} the most complex set of souls we know of in Universe, with man { Xy --*Y*--} coming in a close 2nd to woman.
Spirit-2 is the finite set of fermions { matter particles } and bosons { force particles } that, aggregate collectively as elements, molecules, rocks { substance }, biologics, planets, stars, galaxies etc.
Spirit-1 = Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
---conceptual line-of-demarcation-----
Spirit-3 = Metaphysical-3 conractive/mass-attractive Gravity ( ),
Spirit=4 = Metaphysical-4 repulsive Dark Energy )(.
Gravity and Dark Energy being geometrically, 180 degree, geodesic opposites of a torus geometric set of inner outer surface curvature seen here as expressed as a vertical { side view } equaltorial bisection ( )( ).
A birds-eye-view { top view } is more like this ( ( ) )
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