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@ILikePie5
You sacrifice yourself but we don’t run the problem of a townie sussing you like Mharman did
Sure? But Mharman was in my PoE and so was WF. The benefits of potentially avoiding a townie sussing me were outweighed by the risk that WF was scum and then my role was just a waste.
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@ILikePie5
And then the Banana lynch was easy
We lynched banana anyway. Earth was also in PoE, so was Mharman. At the end I had Mikal at 64.5% odds of being town, though I'd basically stopped fidgeting with the percentages except to get the correct average. I don't know what could have happened to reduce Mikal's town odds below 50% in the final day, at least from my POV. I did figure the princess claim might be bogus, but there was a legitimate reason to do it in terms of avoiding a night kill.
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@ILikePie5
You’re reducing POE by using your role.
Which a lynch also does. I wasn't in PoE, so there was no need to town confirm someone else.
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@ILikePie5
Why tf would you choose not to use your role. Forget about the number of lynches. We get a free tkwnie
I was being town read by almost everyone. I am the free townie.
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@Mharman
@Mikal
Just want to do due diligence.
Yeah, go ahead. I don't see anything being said that changes my mind at this point.
VTL Mharman
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@RemyBrown
Then why bring up the not voting thing? Because if voting is conditional on women recommending something, they'll recommend it but the men have no incentive to follow said recommendation.
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@RemyBrown
there are people that will die for Allah under those circumstances
Yeah, if it advances the religion. How does you randomly shooting people help Islam? It's not like you're killing them for not renouncing their faith. And you're the only one making it a life or death scenario in the first place.
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@Mharman
THEN WHY THE FUCK WOULD I TELL PIE I WANTED WYLTED'S CLAIM
You didn't, you just said he was a scum read because you already had. Link to where you asked for WyIted's claim.
I prepared claims for my teammates in both games. He's not claiming miller if I'm his teammate, because it's one of the dumbest things possible.
Doesn't mean you had confirmation from WyIted he was going to use said claim.
where
At the time, I had felt that the CC was legit. Obviously I have to conclude Lunatic really did step in because he made a mistake. Unless Moozer is teammates with Banana, but I don't think that's the case.
If you admit you were wrong, why bring that sus up as part of your defense?
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@Mharman
by the time you went after Whiteflame, I was realizing Whiteflame's defense was making sense
Yeah, once WF was going to be the lynch, you could only gain town cred by opposing said lynch. Also you were in PoE so it's opportunistic you'd want to expand it.
thinking about Moozer and Austin
Austin is confirmed town now. If Moozer was scum and banana was town, Moozer would have hammered by now.
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@Mharman
I scumread him long before the pool began
Sure, and scum reading does not equal vote pressure or a direct demand for a claim. WyIted might have been prepared to be scum read, but given his claim he clearly wasn't prepared to be asked for his role.
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@Mharman
Mikal defended him
Mikal: "my pick on who we get a claim from is wylted"
If they were scum partners, why wouldn't Mikal have a better claim lined up for WyIted?
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@Mharman
Mikal or I could have easily gone after WF instead. We did the next day, but I'll note that was after you said Wylted's being scum implemented WF.
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@Mharman
Pie asked me whose claim I wanted
No, he asked who you scum read. You scum read him since you were also in the scum pool, but that's not the same as voting for him or pressuring him.
voted after I said Wylted
I was the first vote on the WyIted train right after Mikal said he wanted a claim from WyIted, which was followed by a bunch of others voting WyIted.
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@Mharman
Me: Yes, after I finish these notes.
Yeah, very pro-town reason to stall the hammer.
Me: I sus Wylted!Pie: I agree! Let's start a wagon for his claim!
That wasn't in response to your read lol. That was all Mikal and me.
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@Mharman
lynched for running out the clock after telling Pie I would be the hammer
You could come up with a dozen excuses for that plus blame other people for not hammering. Or hope that people would move to some other target.
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@Mharman
At which point I would just be lynched next DP for it...
Lynched for not hammering? What? By this logic we should just lynch you now for not hammering.
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@Mharman
wouldn’t that mean scum has an incentive to go out of the way to be the hammer to not look sus? Lol.
You tried very hard to not look sus by saying "I'm taking credit for this lynch if WyIted is guilty." Also possible you were trying to run out the clock.
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@Mharman
I was going to be the hammer if Earth wasnt
woulda coulda shoulda counts for nothing.
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@Mharman
sorry not being there when the wagon was starting
You were there. You even posted multiple times while the wagon was on WyIted.
The funny thing about this is that you refuse to sus Mikal, who was never on the wagon either, and defended Wylted for most of DP1
Mikal didn't take credit for WyIted's lynch, but he did suggest getting a claim from WyIted when we were getting claims. He also wasn't posting during the wagon.
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@Mharman
You said you suspect Mikal but haven't voted him. Probably because if banana was lynched it would make you the obvious second scum (which you already are at this point).
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@Moozer325
If you're going to hammer banana, no reason to drag this out.
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@Mharman
you don’t get to make this argument after accusing me of making a distance play that went wrong with Wylted
Because you didn't vote for WyIted or pressure him, you just scum read him which wasn't the cause of his lynch.
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@iamanabanana
I have laid arguments against you both in past day phases
Which amounted to the fact that we both suspected Earth at one point in day phase 1 and that Mikal had been talking a lot. Also you said you hadn't been following the game very closely but were somehow sure about who the scum were.
the fact that I haven't been quick hammered means both scum are already on my lynch.
Or you are scum.
I'm sure I don't have to explain why "You're lying!" sounds insincere. It's just not how people naturally talk or write.
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@iamanabanana
We lynch mikal today, savant tomorrow and town wins
What even is your case for suspecting Mikal and I other than that we suspected Earth day 1? One incorrect read equals being scum? We lynched him yesterday, but that was hedging bets.
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@Mharman
Im saying that you took one person in isolation, and cast everything they did in a scummy light.
No, I've scum read multiple people. Including WyIted who, mind you, was scum.
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@Mharman
So I can’t question her. Okay sure buddy.
Well it read very unnatural after you'd been sarcastic and accusatory in every other post.
Can you explain your remark from earlier about how Savant and I have to be scum, while Mikal’s results implicate you?
How is that not an obvious softball question that banana probably wrote herself?
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@Mharman
Once again, you have a case that relies on you interpreting everything in the scummiest possible way.
No, if I was interpreting everything as scummy I would be scum reading everyone.
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@Mharman
Dude. I also just told Mikal to out a gambit if he had done one.
That question wasn't rephrasing something that had already been brought up. Also the interaction between you and banana looked way more scripted and unnatural.
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@Mharman
I asked her that way because I don’t like the post, but I’ve been townreading her, so I think she could just be TI
Or because banana didn't want to come off defensive answering the accusation...
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With banana it's "can you explain?" but with anyone else it's an instant scum read...
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@Mharman
She was responding to Moozer earlier
Sure, but this is an example of ignoring a particular point when I bring it up and then answering the same point when you bring it up. And you phrased it in the most softball way possible like a scripted damage control interview.
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@Mharman
@iamanabanana
Can you explain your remark from earlier about how Savant and I have to be scum, while Mikal’s results implicate you?
What's even the point of this weird tactic? Can banana not respond to something that Mikal has brought up multiple times without you rephrasing the same question? Not sure if this is a distancing play or trying to make it so banana doesn't look as defensive. All it does is look scripted.
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@iamanabanana
What are the fakesI tried doing one without punctuation, one where every other letter was capitalized, etc
Why only respond to Mharman? This point had been brought up earlier multiple times.
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@Mharman
Did Lunatic say that anywhere public?
No, just to me in a PM
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@iamanabanana
You are lying
Wow, straight to assuming I'm lying instead of just wrong or something. What fake agendas did you do?
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@Mharman
Fine. I had to vote at least three times not bolding and then correcting it in the next post. It was like the second one I did.
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@Mharman
It matters because it’s good to gauge you off of
Well, it was one of the fifteen agendas I did. Luna told me scum got fake agendas to fit in, so I don't know how you could gauge anyone with the agenda they had.
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@Mharman
Ok ur probably town, but im curious what your secret agendas was
Is this in some hope that you can guess agendas tonight to get the vote disabler? I'm pretty sure the deadline expired for that, but now I'm feeling inclined not to reveal this information.
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@Mharman
She said her fake agenda.
No she said her real agenda. Everyone else did like five fake agendas. Banana didn't.
What was y’all’s secret agendas from yesterday
Does it even matter at this point? I did like fifteen.
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@RemyBrown
that's why you ask the Gazans if they are so religiously Muslim that they would die for Islam...Are you willing to die for Christianity?
In that case, they're not dying for their religion, though. They're dying to satisfy your bloodlust. Might as well go around asking parents "are you willing to die for your children?" and then shoot the ones who say yes.
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@iamanabanana
Why didn't you do any fake agendas yesterday?
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@Moozer325
I’m ready to vote Banana, just say the word.
May as well. From my POV, if banana was town scum would have hammered by now.
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@Mharman
Mikal was saying he would track someone, so it’s expected. It doesn’t mean it’s real.
Well that means it's Mikal or banana, and with the sensor dead there's nothing more that can be said to support one side or the other. I town read Mikal and scum read banana.
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@Mharman
You just said we should use our time this DP too
I did until Mikal tracked banana to Austin and I realized the sensor was dead. There's really nothing more I think can be said at this point.
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banana, Mharman is the only team that makes sense to me. I think it was pointed out earlier that scum have enough info obscuring roles that gf or lawyer is unlikely. Plus Mikal's behavior has been much more pro town than Mharman's and banana's.
Don't really see a point discussing this further.
VTL iamanabanana
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@Mharman
Austin got the sensor. It’s in his flip
Well dang.
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@Mikal
scum got the sensor
I don't think that was possible, but it is possible they'd kill the sensor. If they got vote manipulator we lose automatically though.
I didn’t see banana even do the fake goals to throw scum off
Yeah, noticed that too. I didn't see Earth do any agendas either, so I started to wonder if it was him.
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@Mharman
@Mikal
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@iamanabanana
All right, who got the sensor?
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