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@Lunatic
Ok, who didn't submit an answer? Please claim now.
Is asking this within the rules? Realized I should ask.
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@Mharman
@Mikal
@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
See above.
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Only 8 people submitted an answer out of 9. There is no way scum waived an answer. So that last person has to be a townie.
Ok, who didn't submit an answer? Please claim now.
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@Earth
@ILikePie5
@Mikal
@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
Made a few significant updates, but won't post the whole reads list again so soon.
Current reads from towniest to scummiest with probability of being town included:
Moozer325 (93.5%)
AustinL0926 (95%)
iLikePie5 (80.5%)
Mikal (78%)
Earth (77%)
Mharman (65.5%)
whiteflame (61.5%)
iamabanana (59%)
Reasons for bottom 3:
Mharman
- Scum Lean (65.5%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- Playing as Scum: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
- #60, #61 - TL - Strategizing that doesn’t give off any red flags. There’s a question posed to Pie that could be manipulative but seems more like an attempt to get a read, and I like that. Don’t know that scum would have thought to do that.
- #105 - T - The read on Mikal seems genuine. I have a hard time seeing scum suspect someone and then give a reason why they actually might not be suspicious with zero pushback.
- #143, #144, #145 - TL - More questions that seem like they’re coming from a towny perspective, I don’t think scum Mharman would pretend not to know if scum have questions just to get town read.
- #291, #301, #310 - TL - If Mharman is scum here, then the strategy is probably to pursue a WyIted lynch or Pie lynch by throwing out seeds. Or allow Earth to be lynched by not defending him. But he defends inactives decently and defends the town core, so his thoughts seem more likely from genuine town trying to catch up and get thoughts out.
- #318 - TL - Mharman going back and forth on WF seems genuine. Idk if scum would be willing to seem inconsistent like this.
- #321 - SL - This post is pretty verbose, and rambling a bit is often a scum tell. Also could be planting potential seeds for a lynch without committing.
- #799, #831, #886 - TL - Town reads WyIted early on, might have been trying to avoid a hammer on him but still worth a slight town read
- #885 - SL - Waiting to hammer on scum while claiming he might is suspicious. And since WyIted wanted to post notes, it’s possible they decided that notes from Mharman would look less suspect.
whiteflame
- Scum Lean (61.5%)
- Playing as Town: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
- Playing as Scum: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- #16 - SL - With WF it’s always difficult to tell, but starting the game with something unrelated to this particular game seems more aimed at gaining town cred through camaraderie.
- #17, #21, #23 - SL - I understand WF’s frustration here, I really do, but their reasons for refusing Mikal aren’t framed from a game strategy perspective. The case could be made that Mikal’s strategy does work for reading WF, and WF only challenges it out of personal distaste. Casey is probably right that this isn’t that significant, so the lean is very slight.
- #28 - SL - After being pressured, I think this post could be made to change the subject, which WF can get away with because of Mikal’s brash demeanor, and the formalities beside the vote could be meant to ensure the vote isn’t met with hostility. I think town would be more inclined to pressure other players, while scum would be more inclined to befriend them
- #32 - TL - WF complimenting Mikal’s strategy like this actually strikes me as more towny than scummy. It’s WF, and he could easily be thinking that giving credence to Mikal here is the towny move; however, I think there were alternative responses that could have been more strategic for scum and planted bigger seeds for suspecting Mikal
- #75 - TL - The frustration seems towny, and it indicates to me that the previous frustration was likely genuine as well, not solely to avoid pressure.
- #106 - SL - Feels a bit like WF is planting seeds for suspicion on Mikal without outright saying it or giving reads. Also when responding to a call for engagement, this post seems like it throws suspicion toward the most convenient player rather than analyzing the game as a whole and really scum hunting.
- #109, #115 - SL - I think a town player would be more likely to start making progress from what they have. Waiting for claims and for inactives to post (not even the first to note inactive players) could be a convenient way to test the waters.
- #234 - TL - I’m seeing a good amount of effort here put into explaining the “why” behind his reads, and all of it seems fairly logical from a town perspective. I agree with him here more than I disagree with him, and I don’t see any opportunistic scum reads or possibly partnered town reads sticking out.
- #241 - TL - Agree on Casey being a top town read. See where WF is coming from on Mikal’s behavior, and if WF is town, then it makes sense for there to be no clear scum reads atm. Maybe I’m giving too much credit based off of agreement, and I do think scum WF would acknowledge strong town reads, but the lack of apparent agenda here is a green flag.
- #564 - SL - Decent enough, I guess, but WF tends to have mostly accurate reads as either alignment. Compared to the effort a lot of other players are putting in, I barely see anything new here. I guess I’d just expect more being added to the discussion if WF is town.
- #627 - TL - Ok, this mitigates my concern that WF didn’t have any super impactful reads to move the game forward.
- #660 - TL - More of the WF I’m used to with the analysis, which partially mitigates my concern that he’s acting particularly scummy today.
- #664 - TL - Starting a train like this leans towny, I don’t think WF really needed to do this to avoid being lynched.
- #811 - SL - Given that WyIted probably didn’t use a fake claim, it’s likely that WF hinted at the fake claim for his role and that WyIted was willing to die because the alternative on the chopping block was his partner.
iamabanana
- Scum Lean (59%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- Playing as Scum: BBdp1, BBdp2
- #7 - TL - Posting early draws attention, and I don’t think scum would be inclined to do so without a joke or something to justify the post, seem natural, etc.
- #33, #41 - T - I don’t see scum Banana coming out and giving info about her role without being asked. She’s played a few games, so it’s possible for this to be a tactic, but I think scum wouldn’t play this risky.
- #198 - TL - I like how banana sticks to her guns here, and the answer seems focused on town perspective rather than just being defensive.
- #199 - TL - Putting pressure on inactives like this is a town concern, and her response before is long and noticeable enough that just voting for Moozer wouldn’t be done to divert attention. If banana were scum under pressure, I think she would focus on either putting pressure on Moozer or giving a sufficient defense (not both).
- #299 - SL - I don’t love that banana’s only post in a while is a defensive one, repeating a point they already made.
- #378 - TL - Defending Earth like this is townie when he could be a possible lynch today.
- #399, #417, #421 - SL - A bit OMGUSy and overly defensive, and the defense of Earth seems a bit opportunistic as a way to throw suspicion toward Mikal. She’s been focused on defense as scum before here and here, though I couldn’t really find a similar situation to compare that behavior to in her town game. (Although she seemed a bit more open and less accusatory in general as town.)
- #606 - TL - A lot of effort, I think it’s unlikely banana goes this far under pressure if she’s scum.
- #677, #678, #682 - TL - The continued pushing and amount of effort make the read on Mikal feels genuine, especially when banana isn’t the top lynch today.
- #694 - SL - The defensiveness is getting to the point of being excessive and more than I’d expect a town member to actually feel. And denying that it is defensiveness doesn’t really help.
- #16, #34, #40, #41 - SL - The logic here is bad since Earth wasn’t confirmed yesterday (still isn’t, though he’s towny today). Likely an attempt to widen the PoE pool since scum are losing.
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@iamanabanana
I didn't like how willing he was to participate on the earth lynch last day phase, so I don't full on scum read him, I am a little hesitant to clear him.
You realize I was the first vote on WyIted and a played a significant part in getting him lynched?
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@whiteflame
Fucked it up because I didn't think Sensor was a day time role.
Lol, same here.
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@ILikePie5
Did everyone submit a role name last DP?
I did.
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@AustinL0926
This mathematically makes it impossible for scum to manipulate the vote to a different result than what town agrees to.Thoughts?
I like this, it gives us some buffer. At first I was assuming the lead of first over second was big enough for this to not be necessary (i.e. 3 vs 2 points), but now I'm realizing I shouldn't have assumed that.
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@Mharman
Ok, gonna look back and check. Might have missed it.
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@iamanabanana
if you think he's telling the truth why even bring this up
Because it matters whether or not someone is 100% confirmed.
I do town read you despite the willingness to lynch earth, but I am not that certain with the other two.
Ok, how were we supposed to know that Earth was town yesterday though? Today he looks pretty towny, but this is obvious hindsight bias. When it was Earth vs. WyIted it was a bigger deal, but just having Earth in PoE after he claimed soldier? That's not really scummy.
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Mikal
- Scum Lean (71%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, Riddledp1, Riddledp2
- Playing as Scum: Ozarkdp1, Ozarkdp2, Ozarkdp3
- #16 - TL - An early post where the vote seems more substantive than for “joke” reasons, even if the goal is just to get someone’s attention, it’s not presented alongside a quip.
- #18, #25, #27 - TL - Ticking off another player like this would be an odd move coming from scum. Really I only see it biasing people against Mikal, hence I’m inclined to town read it. WIFOM, I know, but I just don’t see Mikal banking on being town read for being annoying.
- #34, #57, #137 - TL - I like that Mikal is taking the lead, and the explanation of the even-odd strat seems largely towny.
- #36, #38 - TL - Confronting another player out the gate is good, and Mikal is asking something I was curious about as well. This is pro-town at the very least. Also Mikal tends to be more confrontational as town (here, here, here, here) and more laid-back as scum (here, here, here)
- #165 - TL - This kind of indecision and uncertainty about another player comes from town more often than from scum.
- #209 - TL - Sticks to his guns without planting additional seeds for a push.
- #275 - TL - As I mentioned before, aggression like this is a town tell for Mikal, and I think pushing WF for specifics is warranted.
- #277, #281, #288, #289, #290 - TL - Mikal throws out a lot of specifics here that I think scum would have a hard time improvising while remaining genuine. And his attack on Earth is consistent, even if I think it’s mostly unsupported.
- #308, #309, #311, #315, #316 - TL - Very slight town read here. Strategy seems solid with no red flags, but I’ve seen this kind of thing before from Mikal, so it doesn’t move the needle that much.
- #443, #454 - TL - Similar to how I’ve spoken to and about people I suspect when I’m town, perhaps even more obviously sincere than that, and I have a hard time seeing scum fake this.
- #505, #507, #508 - TL - Towny analysis, emotions that seem sincere from a town perspective. The shift on Pie seems sincere to me.
- #537, #540, #549, #555 - T - Very towny annoyance and defense that makes a lot of sense to me. These aren’t super easy mislynches, but Mikal seems to understand how inactives could be perceived that way.
- #570 - SL - Giving up role info to reduce pressure seems more scummy than towny (and the information is barely useful). I mean I could see it as either alignment, but it’s not like revealing this really helps town. Plus, trying to use this to attack Earth feels opportunistic.
- #615 - TL - I agree with Austin that this is a towny consideration from Mikal.
- #666 - TL - Agree with Casey that this is a pro town concern, but the town lean comes more from the way it is phrased, imagining what could go wrong from town POV
- #700, #701 - TL - Attacking banana by defending Moozer and criticizing that read feels pretty towny.
- #847 - SL - Voting for Earth instead of WyIted is suspicious.
iamabanana
- Scum Lean (67.5%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- Playing as Scum: BBdp1, BBdp2
- #7 - TL - Posting early draws attention, and I don’t think scum would be inclined to do so without a joke or something to justify the post, seem natural, etc.
- #33, #41 - T - I don’t see scum Banana coming out and giving info about her role without being asked. She’s played a few games, so it’s possible for this to be a tactic, but I think scum wouldn’t play this risky.
- #198 - TL - I like how banana sticks to her guns here, and the answer seems focused on town perspective rather than just being defensive.
- #199 - TL - Putting pressure on inactives like this is a town concern, and her response before is long and noticeable enough that just voting for Moozer wouldn’t be done to divert attention. If banana were scum under pressure, I think she would focus on either putting pressure on Moozer or giving a sufficient defense (not both).
- #299 - SL - I don’t love that banana’s only post in a while is a defensive one, repeating a point they already made.
- #378 - TL - Defending Earth like this is townie when he could be a possible lynch today.
- #399, #417, #421 - SL - A bit OMGUSy and overly defensive, and the defense of Earth seems a bit opportunistic as a way to throw suspicion toward Mikal. She’s been focused on defense as scum before here and here, though I couldn’t really find a similar situation to compare that behavior to in her town game. (Although she seemed a bit more open and less accusatory in general as town.)
- #606 - TL - A lot of effort, I think it’s unlikely banana goes this far under pressure if she’s scum.
- #677, #678, #682 - TL - The continued pushing and amount of effort make the read on Mikal feels genuine, especially when banana isn’t the top lynch today.
- #694 - SL - The defensiveness is getting to the point of being excessive and more than I’d expect a town member to actually feel. And denying that it is defensiveness doesn’t really help.
Mharman
- Scum Lean (62.5%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- Playing as Scum: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
- #60, #61 - TL - Strategizing that doesn’t give off any red flags. There’s a question posed to Pie that could be manipulative but seems more like an attempt to get a read, and I like that. Don’t know that scum would have thought to do that.
- #105 - T - The read on Mikal seems genuine. I have a hard time seeing scum suspect someone and then give a reason why they actually might not be suspicious with zero pushback.
- #143, #144, #145 - TL - More questions that seem like they’re coming from a towny perspective, I don’t think scum Mharman would pretend not to know if scum have questions just to get town read.
- #291, #301, #310 - TL - If Mharman is scum here, then the strategy is probably to pursue a WyIted lynch or Pie lynch by throwing out seeds. Or allow Earth to be lynched by not defending him. But he defends inactives decently and defends the town core, so his thoughts seem more likely from genuine town trying to catch up and get thoughts out.
- #318 - TL - Mharman going back and forth on WF seems genuine. Idk if scum would be willing to seem inconsistent like this.
- #321 - SL - This post is pretty verbose, and rambling a bit is often a scum tell. Also could be planting potential seeds for a lynch without committing.
- #885 - SL - Waiting to hammer on scum while claiming he might is suspicious. And since WyIted wanted to post notes, it’s possible they decided that notes from Mharman would look less suspect.
whiteflame
- Scum Lean (60%)
- Playing as Town: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
- Playing as Scum: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- #16 - SL - With WF it’s always difficult to tell, but starting the game with something unrelated to this particular game seems more aimed at gaining town cred through camaraderie.
- #17, #21, #23 - SL - I understand WF’s frustration here, I really do, but their reasons for refusing Mikal aren’t framed from a game strategy perspective. The case could be made that Mikal’s strategy does work for reading WF, and WF only challenges it out of personal distaste. Casey is probably right that this isn’t that significant, so the lean is very slight.
- #28 - SL - After being pressured, I think this post could be made to change the subject, which WF can get away with because of Mikal’s brash demeanor, and the formalities beside the vote could be meant to ensure the vote isn’t met with hostility. I think town would be more inclined to pressure other players, while scum would be more inclined to befriend them
- #32 - TL - WF complimenting Mikal’s strategy like this actually strikes me as more towny than scummy. It’s WF, and he could easily be thinking that giving credence to Mikal here is the towny move; however, I think there were alternative responses that could have been more strategic for scum and planted bigger seeds for suspecting Mikal
- #75 - TL - The frustration seems towny, and it indicates to me that the previous frustration was likely genuine as well, not solely to avoid pressure.
- #106 - SL - Feels a bit like WF is planting seeds for suspicion on Mikal without outright saying it or giving reads. Also when responding to a call for engagement, this post seems like it throws suspicion toward the most convenient player rather than analyzing the game as a whole and really scum hunting.
- #109, #115 - SL - I think a town player would be more likely to start making progress from what they have. Waiting for claims and for inactives to post (not even the first to note inactive players) could be a convenient way to test the waters.
- #234 - TL - I’m seeing a good amount of effort here put into explaining the “why” behind his reads, and all of it seems fairly logical from a town perspective. I agree with him here more than I disagree with him, and I don’t see any opportunistic scum reads or possibly partnered town reads sticking out.
- #241 - TL - Agree on Casey being a top town read. See where WF is coming from on Mikal’s behavior, and if WF is town, then it makes sense for there to be no clear scum reads atm. Maybe I’m giving too much credit based off of agreement, and I do think scum WF would acknowledge strong town reads, but the lack of apparent agenda here is a green flag.
- #564 - SL - Decent enough, I guess, but WF tends to have mostly accurate reads as either alignment. Compared to the effort a lot of other players are putting in, I barely see anything new here. I guess I’d just expect more being added to the discussion if WF is town.
- #627 - TL - Ok, this mitigates my concern that WF didn’t have any super impactful reads to move the game forward.
- #660 - TL - More of the WF I’m used to with the analysis, which partially mitigates my concern that he’s acting particularly scummy today.
- #664 - TL - Starting a train like this leans towny, I don’t think WF really needed to do this to avoid being lynched.
- #811 - SL - Given that WyIted probably didn’t use a fake claim, it’s likely that WF hinted at the fake claim for his role and that WyIted was willing to die because the alternative on the chopping block was his partner.
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Reads List 5.0
Each player is assigned an estimated probability of being town based on how towny or scummy they are. The average probability of being town is 75%, since there are 6 town players left besides me and 2 scum players left.
Moozer325
- Town (94.5%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- Playing as Scum: IPdp1, IPdp2, IPdp3
- #306, #331 - TL - Seems genuine and open for the most part, though in this position I think scum has no choice but to claim, so only a slight town read.
- #438 - TL - I like these reads, and confident/active players often seem townie, so I buy that read as genuine (particularly with the comparison to last game).
- #530, #534, #543, #545 - T - If Moozer is lying here, it’s a lot of lies packed very densely, and I don’t think scum Moozer would fake that level of analysis.
- #533 - T - Offering to claim right after a decent analysis, hard to fake all of that at once. Seems sincere.
- #9 - T - Earth claims he checked Moozer and confirmed his innocence.
AustinL0926
- Town (85%)
- Playing as Town: SKdp1, SKdp2, Castledp1
- Playing as Scum: Diarydp1, Diarydp2, Diarydp3
- #583, #599 - T - Very unlikely this role claim is fake or that role belongs to scum. However, if Austin is scum, it’s possible a scum partner came up with this fake role for him, and it is possible it’s the fake scum role claim, since the show doesn’t fit too well. I also think scum would claim everything they want to claim at once, while town would throw out info desperately in Austin’s position.
- #588, #590, #592, #594 - TL - Feels like this is coming from someone genuinely catching up without being fed any information from scum. Town reading as scum here would be pretty bold, though I could see other scum recommending this to build trust.
- #631, #632, #633 - T - Thoughts seem more likely to occur to town, and I agree with the point about Mikal in particular.
- #728, #729, #730 - T - I don’t think scum Austin would analyze posts in this level of detail, effort seems towny.
iLikePie5
- Town Lean (81.5%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, TRdp1
- Playing as Scum: TVdp1, TVdp2
- #48, #49, #51 - TL - I like that Pie’s first posts are immediately about the game, no attempts to gain cred just through agreeableness.
- #55, #119, #120 - NAI - After reading Casey’s post, I agree that this probably isn’t a town slip. Pie’s explanation is fine. I could see these posts coming from either alignment
- #121, #122, #124, #126, #127 - SL - Pie is active as usual, which isn’t particularly AI, but his posts seem kind of noncommittal, mostly agreeing or giving meta information about players. Kind of the bare minimum to appear active.
- #125 - TL - I like that Pie is challenging a player, somewhat mitigates with my concerns about the other posts being noncommittal
- #136, #138 - TL - Towny concerns, and it somewhat convinces me the earlier meta analysis was genuinely aimed toward helping town
- #141, #142 - TL - Retracting an accusation like that indicates to me it was probably sincere. Could be faked or maybe forced by the situation, but I don’t think scum Pie would back down out of fear or plan to challenge and then back down.
- #515, #516, #535, #542 - T - Towny analysis that isn’t overly focused on one point (which scum tend to do) and is based on his own role, which I don’t think scum would use as an argument since it would limit their claims later. Impression I’m getting from past games is that Pie is more detail-oriented as town.
- #652, #655, #659 - TL - Pie’s behavior toward Austin remains very consistent, and I think these thoughts are indicative of a genuine town read.
- #654, #656 - TL - Decently towny thought process, and willing to engage even if it means addressing suspicion on himself without countering it.
- #751 - TL - Agree with this, lack of aggression is rare for Pie and in this case it seems genuine since the logic tracks.
- #821 - T - I think it’s very unlikely this was a bus, and if WyIted was planning with Pie to be pushed, he would likely have a better fake claim selected.
Earth
- Town Lean (78%)
- Playing as Town: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
- Playing as Scum: RRV2dp1, RRV2dp2, RRV2dp3
- #35 - TL - For an infrequent poster, drawing attention early without a need comes across as more instinctive to town than to scum.
- #117 - TL - I don’t think scum Earth would offer to out his show without prompting.
- #157 - TL - Pro-town imo to advocate this strategy, even offering a way to make it more feasible.
- #235, #239, #240 - T - So much agreement here (except on inactives), and I’ll give Earth more credit for this than someone like WF (who is very towny as scum). If anything, I might suspect that Earth is copying my reads, but overall his reasoning is close to what I would say.
- #350 - SL - Post justification makes sense, and if it’s fake Survivor probably used up the mafia fake claim, but it’s an easy role to fake claim and non confirmable. Also, the show started in 2000, not before. Not in town’s interest to claim here since it just narrows down power roles and loses all the role’s utility, but could be an attempt to get pressure off by claiming early, while the soldier should want suspicion on them to avoid the NK.
- #353, #359 - SL - Explanation seems iffy to me. There’s a good chance that Earth wanted to keep his claim options open earlier by saying after 2000 and then looked up roles in recent games.
- #603 - TL - The details in Earth’s justification about the Survivor show feel like they could actually be from a role PM (“physical and mental trials to the very end…”) though it’s probably a rephrase.
- #698 - TL - Defending another player for similar reasons he’s used to defend himself makes his posting seem more genuine.
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@whiteflame
Glad WyIted didn’t get to use that role. That would have made things frustrating.
I actually think with some town coordination it might not have been a problem (i.e. we don't place official votes until lynch is decided).
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@iamanabanana
All three of these people were willing to vote earth last day phase
Earth could be scum and lying about using the cop. I think he's telling the truth, but he's not confirmed.
if wylted wasn't forced to claim by pie
You realize I also demanded that WyIted claim, right? And Austin's role is confirmable?
I might actually switch out Mikal for Earth, give me a bit to fidget with the probabilities.
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There's a chance scum would fake the use of a cop if they won, but I think this still increases Earth's odds of being town.
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@Earth
There is the issue of a lawyer or GF, but yeah.
If there was a GF or lawyer, I doubt WyIted would have fake claimed miller.
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Ok, unless Moozer + Earth are the last two scum, then Moozer is confirmed innocent. We should vote for Moozer to be the winner and then protective roles better be on him. Even if Moozer gets nked, it's better than allowing scum to win the role.
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Is a politician vote a vote thief? If so, in case mafia won, we should all agree on a lynch through non-official voting before anyone submits an official vote.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@Mharman
@Mikal
@AustinL0926
Game for today: Today's game idea will not be trivia this time, instead the prize for todays winner will be selected by all of the players. All players can choose to submit three names. The person with the most votes at the end of the day phase will be the winner of selected prize.
Just living players?
Also, I suggest we all agree on who to vote for and how to rank names. Like if people trust me, we can do 1. Savant, 2. Austin, 3. Mikal, though names 2 and 3 don't really matter as long as we all vote for the same #1. If people don't trust me, then I guess we can do someone else, but we all have to agree.
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@Barney
We (men) lost when so many of us behaved so badly that the bear even seems like an option.
How do you "win" a hypothetical when the other side says "it's not about logic" every time logic is brought up? And is winning against those people even desirable?
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@WyIted
If you have any reads you should post them now before someone hammers. This is borderline stalling.
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@Mharman
Do you mean the long one, i.e. my first read set?
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We can still post after the hammer, right? Until Luna posts final votes?
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@Mharman
56, taking a page out of my book, for the sake of his format
Post 56 was Pie
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@Mharman
which could point to Whiteflame or Moozer cause they both hinted their role
Or Earth, who full climed
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@WyIted
Already don't lynch me until I can give full reads
You're at L-1 I think. If you're somehow town, then be quick about it.
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@WyIted
If mafia win, they will receive a 1x politician vote.If a town member wins, they will recieve a 1x cop ability.
If mafia gets it first, I don't think any town member gets the 1x cop.
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@WyIted
1x cop? You know there is a question to answer every DP right?
Ok that's true, but I still don't think town would be punished with a miller for getting trivia right. Kind of goes against the spirit of the challenge. And the cop is not even guaranteed, not powerful enough to need a counter balance.
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@WyIted
That's even more retarded. Even night Millers should try to draw an NK perhaps or an investigation on odd nights
And you could draw an investigation by claiming...
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@whiteflame
Cop role insofar as it can be won through trivia, so is not entirely impossible that there's a Miller, but this is just the most baffling flavor of Miller I've ever seen and the justification really stands out.
It's a 1x cop though. Is a miller really needed to balance that? And why would town be punished with that role for solving the trivia challenge correctly?
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@WyIted
I am not a full miller. I am an even night miller.
If you'd claimed that at the start, this might have been believable enough to save you from today's lynch, and then the cop could have investigated you tonight. But at this point, I really am not seeing a better lynch target than you.
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@Casey_Risk
Actually, that's a great point. It's already been pointed out that a Godfather is an unlikely way to balance for a potential 1x Cop that the town may or may not even get. The same would seem to apply to a Miller.
Oh yeah, why would there be a miller for a potential 1x cop? Unless there's a JOAT or something. Claim is def very weird.
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@WyIted
I would rather be lynched than have them save me
Tbf that's a very tough call. But you also might be saying that because you're scum and no that no cop is coming to save you. If you're town this is commendable though.
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Also doesn't make sense from a balance perspective, scum already have numbers advantage compared to 9v2. Unless a cop comes forward to confirm WyIted, that's where my vote stays.
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@WyIted
I also know that we are trying to policy lynch Millers from the attention on me last game so was considering lying and claiming vanilla but I made a promise
Why didn't you claim miller at the start?
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@WyIted
my claim sounds like bullshit
Might as well spill it at this point.
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@WyIted
It's not about mass claiming, it's that I'd rather lynch you or WF, and WF's response is good enough I don't really want to pressure him more. I also don't want to lynch you without giving you a chance to claim.
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@WyIted
well we did agree to one claim and even though whiteflame is really easy to guess and even though wylted full claimed AI guess we go after mharman now
I don't support going after Mharman, just getting a claim from you. The slippery slope stuff is not helpful, and we don't have much time left anyway.
VTL WyIted
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
@WyIted
my pick on who we get a claim from is wylted
I'm fine going this route given WF's response. WyIted, can you claim?
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@Earth
@ILikePie5
I'm willing to get a claim from WyIted over WF is WF has a reason for keeping his claim secret. We can demand a claim from WF tomorrow.
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@Greyparrot
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@Mharman
keep in mind google docs can be edited
I'm not so much worried about other people editing (I can just do view only), but I think it opens up a can of worms that can be avoided by just posting in the thread. I mean on DART there's a written record of what I said, everyone can easily look at the same versions, and people don't have to click on a link to see it.
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
I love the effort but can you just link to a Google doc bro
Are we allowed to link to Google Docs? I feel like it's kind of against the spirit of the game.
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@ILikePie5
Savant wants WF to claim and Casey wants Mharman to claim. Do you have no reads among the 3 named?
Who's the third besides WF and Mharman?
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@AustinL0926
Claims are meant to be a situational tool for the rest of the game to improve their read on the player who's claiming
Wouldn't all claims be given by a player who isn't claiming yet? Like, by definition? I want to lynch WF, so we may as well give him a chance to claim first.
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@n8nrgim
What about proportional parliamentary system with ranked choice voting in parliament for the prime minister?
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