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@Lunatic
Fair point
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@Lunatic
I chose you as someone that will potentially write my HoF write up
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@RationalMadman
@Lunatic
@Barney
@Speedrace
@MisterChris
Speedrace is my first choice

The rest I've pinged are equal
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@Lunatic
I agree with your analysis on BearMan's play. You're right, but had some aggression that made town think you were scum is what I'm saying
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@Lunatic
I agree. Like I said, good points, but it definitely clouded your judgement, eg: self voting, the bearman attacks. While they were valid, it definitely looked scummy in general
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@oromagi
If we want to increase participation on DebateArt and if we play Mafia as one instrument towards that increase, I think it is incumbent on all players to disagree with gameplay courteously and objectively.  If we want to have a discussion about hard sticking DP end times, I think that discussion is legitimate but should be held after a full faith effort in the game is done and when emotions have cooled to promote objectivity.    Kicking over the chessboard  mid game is never cool and does not encourage new players to participate.
I agree with this. I know on DDO there was a lot of philosophy, mod psyche, and balance posts discussing this stuff as well. I think there needs to be more of that in discussions as well versus playing to what you believe

I also want to revive the series, but there is a lack of interest among most people.
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Oh, LVP is BearMan
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  • oromagi (13)
  • Ragnar (13)
  • SupaDudz (13)
  • bsh1 (5)
  • Speedrace (1)
  • Discipulus_Didicit (1)
  • blamonkey (1)
  • Ramshutu (1)
  • semperfortis (1)

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@Pattern
Endgame up
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@Intelligence_06
The scum conceded the game because of a time extension :/
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@MisterChris
You did a really good job playing mafia for your first time. You had some good reads and justified a lot. I think you will be a good mafia player with practice. Now you know a lot about lying and justifications and such. 
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@Barney
I'd be down too in general. I don't have a problem with Pie. I just think it's a shitty thing to do to concede a game where there is a way to win
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I'd request for a game to move up for me, for what happened, but I doubt that'll happen and I won't push it. I'll even go middle if need be
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@ILikePie5
Send out PM's tonight or something
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@ILikePie5
No it wasn't. You would've still gotten away with an Oro kill. You still had Madara the ninja, who was silent from tracks. You had a fair chance to win

Ragnar wouldn't have been lynched
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Unlike Pie, if I am mafia, I wont bitch and complain about a time extension and won't ruin his game. 
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i dont feel like pinging so just comment
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Also this was not mod abuse my any means. Challenge me to a debate on this and I will fight tooth and nail on this issue
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Town wins

There is no such thing as mafia

MisterChris: You are Naruto Uzumaki. The main protagonist of the show, you were cursed with the spirit of the nine-tailed fox living inside of you, which labels you as an outcast. However, with this power, you use it to protect the Hidden Leaf Village and are one of the most powerful ninjas to ever exist, able to defeat some of the hardest opponents. You are a Demi God (even night). Each night, the great wheel is spun to determine what action you will do. The wheel decides between healing, killing, and investigative. Once the wheel has chosen, you may decide which action would you like to perform. If you decide to use your killing role, if you kill an innocent, you will be unable to vote for the DP. You win with town.

Greyparrot: You are Sasuke Uchiha. One of the last remaining of the Uchiha clan, you are considered the prodigy of the class and are considered the strongest by many peers. You act on revenge, trying to kill your brother Itachi and get revenge on him for killing your family. You are a Tracker. Each night you may choose to track someone. You win with town.

Oromagi: You are Lady Tsunade. The Fifth Hokage elected by the great counsel, you are heir to Sarutobi Sensai, the Third Hokage, after his tragic passing in his fight with Orochimaru. You are given the power of healing and creating medicine, and are ⅓ of the legendary Sannin. You are a Doctor. Each night you may choose someone to save. You win with town.

That1User: You are Sakura Haruno. You adore Sasuke and fall madly in love with him, to the point where you would sacrifice yourself for him. You are also adored by Naruto, but hate him because he is a punk. You come to your senses when Sasuke is kidnapped, and start to appreciate Naruto and all he has done for you. You are also the smartest in your field and can memorize various jutsu’s. You are a Weak Hider. Each night you may choose to hind behind another character. If you hide behind mafia or any killing role, you die. You win with Town

Speedrace: You are Gaara. You are similar to Naruto in a sense that a spirit lives inside of you and you are virtually impossible to stop, but you have a different motive. Your motive is to kill everyone, and your only way of living is through killing others, but in Shippuden, you reform yourself and soon become the Kazekage. You are Strongarm Vengeful. If (MisterChris) is killed in the night, you will kill the person that killed him the next night. However, if this person activates any form of defense on themselves, you ultimately sacrifice yourself. If anyone visits you, they will be shot. You win with town. You can not dye except by lynching

Crocodile: You are Kakashi Sensai. Labeled as the “copy” ninja due to your ability to analyze an opponents moves and copy them using the Sharigan, you are a fierce ninja with extreme quickness, and can de-escalate situations with a calming voice, you are hidden behind a mask of mystery. You are a Mimic. Once per game you may visit another player. You will permanently gain the role of that player, replacing this one. If you mimic a mafia player, you turn into a Vanilla. You win with Town.

Pattern: You are Hinata Hyuga. You are the heiress to the main branch of the Hyuga clan, therefore you are the one that is the savior to the clan, but you are worst than your cousin, Neji. You are Vanilla Town.

skittlez09: You are Rock Lee. You have literally no skill in Ninjutsu or Genjutsu, so you are overall worthless. However, your hard work and mastery in Taijustu’s leads you to give Sasuke troubles when in a friendly battle. You are extremely fast and can move at the speed of light. You are also a meme in the dubbed version. You are a vanilla townie.

WaterPhoenix: You are Iruka Sensai. You are the teacher of Naruto in the series and the first person that truly believed in him. You have no jutsu abilities besides the most powerful one, the talk no jutsu. You are Vanilla Town

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iLikePie5: You are Pain. You are one of the most famous villains, which you possess the Rinnegan and reincarnate yourself in the body of your friend, Yahigo. You are a god like force, and want the world to be balanced under your version of the Akatsuki. You are the Janitor (x1) (Perma). One night, you may choose whether or not the NK target role will be revealed for the entire DP. You win with mafia.

Ragnar: You are Kisame Hoshigaki. Appearing with Itachi, you are able to block people out with a strong sword that stops enemies. You are a Roleblocker. Each night you select a person who you will block. You win with mafia

BearMan: You are Madara Uchiha. One of the main villains in the series, you are the creator and founder of the Akatskuki, and are responsible for the summoning of the nine tailed fox in the Hidden Leaf, trying to destroy the Leaf after the pain they caused the Uchiha clan. You have a Rinnegan, which means you are sent as a god of creation. You are extremely powerful in all of your jutsu’s, in fact, you are so powerful, the creator of the show had no idea on how to kill you since you are technically that powerful You are Ninja. Your steps do not appear on any radar. You win with mafia

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NP Actions

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Chris receives 1x investigativeOromagi doc That1user
That1user hide behind Pie
BearMan NK That1UserGreyparrot track Ragnar

Endgame Comments:
Game Mechanics: Theme Split is Akatsuki vs Naruto’s Supporters. Some may even argue that Sasuke isn’t a supporter, but I argue without Sasuke, Naruto would not have grown into the hero proclaimed to be in the series in general. All justifications made sense for people who watched Naruto. There is some controversy about Sakura’s which I point out a key detail in the role of the PM. Notice how her role description relies heavily on Naruto and Sasuke for her character development, and not much on her overall ability besides her smartness. This is why she was a weak hider in the game. All justifications were linked. Another one was Greyparrot’s, which I did say you want to kill your brother Itachi! I mean, how do you even know where the guy is lmao. You have to TRACK him. Anyway moving on to balance.

I do believe this did mildly favor the town side, however it was a 9v3 setup with major town disadvantages in general. 

Tracker ---> Ninja
Doctor ----> Roleblocker
Weak Hider is essentially a town detriment. No actions can be done on this person on both sides and they can die by hiding behind mafia, which seemed to be the case in general
Strong Vengeful + PGO is the role that makes it town sided in general, however, this can be countered by a RB, which kills the role. The strong variant in vengeful is simply the addition of a PGO variant.
Then there’s Demi God, which is just an additional ⅓ to any of killing, invest, heal.The Mimic turns into Vanilla when encountered with mafia, so mafia can get away with a fake claim of vanilla if worse comes to worse

The Ninja is obvious, and the Janitor stirs paranoia within town was the objective.

I ran the balance with Disc and Drafter, and both were OK with the balance

Behavior:

BearMan, skittlez, Croc: BearMan can fuck off and cry all he wants. skittlez and Croc need better reads in general. Just jumping on bandwagons

Pie and Ragnar: Fuck off

Chris and That1: You guys played well, especially Chris. Had some good analysis and really liked his reads

Greyparrot: Idek im pissed but you can live your life. claiming sasuke was dangerous

Speedrace: Should've claimed the variant IMO to try to lever off pressure, but I understand why. 

Pattern/Luna:  You had some good points overall about laziness and bandwagoning, but I think emotions somewhat clouded judgement

Town MVP is Chris. For his first time, he played really  well

Mafia MVP is no one




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I'm so pissed off right now
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Nvm im /in for Taco Bell
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@Pattern
BearMan said this in scum chat

"Bear_ManYesterday at 2:20 PMSure, regular live mafia might have actual scum tells, cause it's way too hard to lie. But forum mafia is basically just guessingBear_ManYesterday at 2:16 PMThere is no such thing as a scumtell. They just make it up as they play. Like for instance, bandwagoning is not a good scumtell anymore. Mafia players adapt based on town. Currently people are using outdated methods"
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@ILikePie5
No it wasn't. The DP was set to 11AM. That wasn't an extension. I extended it to when town first posted
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I'm so pissed off that Pie pulled a fucking Mharman
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@ILikePie5
a 2hr extension is not a fucking reason to ruin my fucking game. You pulled a fucking Mharman
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I'm done playing with Pie if he's gonna be such a bitch about mafia. He asked 5x in mod chat to try to justify roles and explain roles all the time. This is such bullshit for him to do in my fucking game. He does this all the fucking time in my games. I'm genuinely pissed off right now
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@ILikePie5
You're scum chat had planned for you to get lynched, Ragnar was on your wagon. Thanks for fucking up my game
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I'm not playing in Pie's game if he wants to fuck up my game
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/out
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This is such fucking garbage. I fucing hate the shitty players that have came and fucked this actually good game up. I'm so fucking done
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This is such bullshit Pie. Fuck off
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And you can’t believe that every state will follow what yours did. Some black kids killed a 52 year old because they wouldn’t give him a dollar. The one that threw the fatal punch, guess what he got. Anger management and probation!
He resided in my state, therefore he is accountable to the law of the state regarding guns. He is under the legal age to own a gun and have a license to own it in his state. Therefore he did something illegaly


I think it was some form of self defense in my opinion, as I stated. It’s a muddy self defense, but it is still self defense. I reviewed everything. I know I said that, but from a technicality prospective, he did something illegal without a doubt. The whole first half of what he did is wrong, the defending himself is clear. 
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iLikePie5 [4/6]  oromagi, Rangnar, MrChris, Pattern
Crocodile [2/6] BearMan, WaterP
Ragnar [1/6] GreyParrot
Skittlez [1/6] Pie

I'll be back in an hour and 1/2
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  • Ragnar (13)
  • SupaDudz (13)
  • bsh1 (5)
  • Speedrace (1)
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  • blamonkey (1)
  • Ramshutu (1)
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For Misc, I nominate me and RM's continuous rap battles
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I'll put my noms for debates since I never did

Congressional Limits
Legalized Abortion
Andrew Yang for President 2020

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Attention: The DP will now end at 1PM CST. 

Usually I don't do these type of extension, but it's a Sunday and I'm going to be inactive for most of the morning so yeah. Not even much tbh in the first place

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@Pattern
I'm ok with giving a few hours more on the extension, but certainly not a lot


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@bmdrocks21
Also to be clear, I think he is somewhat justified, but there's issues legality wise that puts him in trouble. 

tl;dr: this was blown out of proportion than it should've been. I think it's a way for the left to label the typical Trump supporter. While I would say self defense, in my state, a kid was charged with second degree murder when he was getting beat up on the ground by a group of people, where he pulled out a knife and stabbed the kid in the stomach and peacefully surrendered. I asked the question then, why would you feel the need to carry a knife around. I think of the same thing thought in my opinion because he knew he was going to Kenosha to defend stores, but didn't do research about the policies in Illinois and getting a Wisconsin license. I'm pro state, so I am for what the state says in general.

I also note that gun > skateboard. A skateboard can hurt, but a gun is lethal. Not to mention he was in a 1v1 combat

Takeaway: This is a reason why police shouldn't be defunded, but reformed 
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iLikePie5 [4/6]  oromagi, Rangnar, MrChris, Pattern
Crocodile [2/6] BearMan, WaterP
Ragnar [1/6] GreyParrot
Skittlez [1/6] Pie

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@TNBinc
I don't know. Nothing really tbh. Not that big of deal
Anyway, welcome to mafia, here is where you read up: 
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/21-guide-to-forum-mafia

Here is an archive on DART to see how a game functions: 
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PC is a way for the Democrats to claim that anything the Conservatives do is racist. It is a growing issue that needs to be treated. I get that some things need to be refrained from saying and it isn't polite to say them, but to take everything you say and turn into some form of ISM or PHOBIC is stupid

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Hahaha Pie has to deal with a tie
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@TNBinc
Forum games
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iLikePie5 [3/6]  oromagi, Rangnar, MrChris
Crocodile [3/6] BearMan, Pattern, WaterP
Ragnar [1/6] GreyParrot
Skittlez [1/6] Pie

around 3 hours remain


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@TNBinc
For mafia, you have go to a signup and type /in.

The rules are also listed on the page as well
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Voting closes tomorrow

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I am really tired. Vote count will go up tmrw, unless someone has it right now
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@bmdrocks21
Illegal possession or unlicensed carrying. I’m pro state, and if the state doesn’t allow that person to own a gun in that state til there 18 and they a need a permit to go into another state, I’m all for it

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