Vader

My FoS with Luna comes from what I was saying in DP1 about him putting pressure on banana for not reading then suddenly backing off, which now looks EVEN MORE suspicious imo considering what we are dealing with this DP.

My problem with banana was that she claimed she didnt read her role pm, so how would she know her justification if pressured? It actually is a bigger problem now because now she is saying she basically has no justification, which means she lied and that was the only reason I unvoted her in the first place. 

 I also just think a lot of what analysis Luna is doing this DP and some of the last DP just seems like, a lot of just letting other people control the DP.

No one listens to me when I try and "control the day phase". Look at last game, I was yelling at walls trying to preach to you fvcks that austin was town and no one listened to me. That said, I don't have as many solid town reads this game as I did last game. And my main read was on wylted last game which I ended up being wrong about, which I realized in the end, but the point is I don't want to push lynches like that unless I am super confident in my read or if theres no drawback to them. 

 I noticed in ERB mafia even when he claimed Justice, he sort of set the precedent for where he was and then let town and others just in fight within themselves and just edge them along. I'm noticing a similiar pattern in this game in this game as well. There is a huge fuckery going on in this DP that should be prime for Lunatic going in on this DP giving a lot of thoughtful analysis and it's just a lot of basic stuff and have really a bit of substanace to it.

I don't know what you want from me, my vote is on banana, and I agree with pie that she needs to be helping this further by giving her information. I don't see the point in really pursuing other avenues until we can move past the obstacle that banana is being.

Btw I agree with your joebob read, he feels like he is lurking quite a bit, which is something I notice he does a lot as scum. He hasn't really pushed any real thought provoking activity, or had reads of his own, which I feel like he would as town. That said, I am keeping my vote on banana until she claims further but I'd be down to help you get info from joebob at some point this phase. I will say that I think it is more likely you are town too, though I can't explain for the janitor thing that happened to savant, I don't see why you would admit to a kill if you were scum. I buy the wifom at least.

I think Savant was scum in my opinion. Savant had to be some sort of janitor mechanic role that hides his affiliation. Scum would have to KNOW that I was a vigilante and was going to shoot Savant. That's the only way a janitor could have worked so I think it's safe to assume Savant had a self janitor role. Not to mention this role also blocks affiliation / role and NOT character justifications. 

So again, I feel like a dying record, it's more likely than not I hit scum on this. I don't want to pat myself on the back but role affiliation hiding would be fucking pointless unless you knew there was a vig and that someone on scum was going to get shot and there's a below 5% chance scum could've predicted that I had. It would just be useless utility role. Also if they had this ability, why wouldn't they have used it on their NK rather than their own player? Only reason this could be is that they knew Pie had the role that confirmed Casey's affiliation and didn't want to essentially town lock himself to a certain extent? It would honestly make sense for Pie to have this role then from a balance perspective.

Right now the only person that I am fairly certain is town is Pie. Pie was very much adament of Casey's town. With Casey's death and flip it almost makes it more true. I also think his logic with Banana and his logic throughout the game have been coorelated with his town behavior and I think he is likely town

Whiteflame is coming off as my second biggest town read at this point in time. I feel like he is properly investing the time are care to ensure he is properly analyzing the game and in such a complex, wtf, kind of game. I feel as if whiteflame would want to take a lot of risks as town. I also just think his general reads he's given as town allign with what I seen from him as town. Good behavioral analysis despite some migraine issues. Just feels like he's town

I had Mharman in my FOS pile in DP1 but honestly considering his reactions to Pie and his shift in analysis, I feel like he gets put into that null pile.If he's scum I feel like he's trying to push Pie a bit more and put skeptism on Pie rather than admit, damn maybe my reads were wrong about Pie. Idk if this true if someone wants to confirm that I'm right please LMK. But still I am still torn apart about that quick vote on Pie within an hour. Post 30 min in and then 30 min later it's a vote. The pretty hard defense of banana last DP (which yes I did have a slight town, I still think it was possible Banana could be scum), it is really just a gut feeling but from everything else I don't think it's that behaviorally scum. 

I have a null on Barney but I could see slowly move into the town reads consider what I've seen from him last DP

I also have Owen as a slight town but I am like 20% confident on that as well. I feel like his thought process as a noob is pretty townie for the most part, reading into people and how they act, but it also comes off as very lazy. But his behavior hasn't stood out as opportunistic or anything like that. Idk if that is Owens meta but I am least confident in this read

Banana is my scum pile. I don't think I need to say more

My other two FoS's are Luna and JoeBob with JoeBob being my weaker FoS

My FoS with Luna comes from what I was saying in DP1 about him putting pressure on banana for not reading then suddenly backing off, which now looks EVEN MORE suspicious imo considering what we are dealing with this DP. I also just think a lot of what analysis Luna is doing this DP and some of the last DP just seems like, a lot of just letting other people control the DP. I noticed in ERB mafia even when he claimed Justice, he sort of set the precedent for where he was and then let town and others just in fight within themselves and just edge them along. I'm noticing a similiar pattern in this game in this game as well. There is a huge fuckery going on in this DP that should be prime for Lunatic going in on this DP giving a lot of thoughtful analysis and it's just a lot of basic stuff and have really a bit of substanace to it.

Do you think wylted puts an unlimited killing role alongside an x shot killing role? Something isn't right here.

I am not 1x nor did I ever claim. In fact I even claimed that if I get 3 votes in a DP, I get a vig shot.

Don't know what's so hard to comprehend. I even claimed this early on in DP1 so you obviously weren't reading

I can read just fine, but my point is balance wise this doesn't make sense. You can just unlimited-ly kill people, along with my kill which IS one shot. That is way too powerful for town.

gutsy fake claim.

There we two kills the DP. One by myself on savant and then the kill on Casey

I got to 3 votes in the DP

If I do not get 3 votes this DP, I do not get a vig shot

If there is only 1 kill in the next NP, then this legit confirms my role

That’s WIFOM, you could just waive

I already claimed as soon as the kill happened in the DP

But that doesn't explain why your kill has question marks on it, why would town hide the body of the player they kill?

Why weren't you CC'd for Israel and Hamas debate by Savant?

He is not israel vs hamas, he is just Israel.

Why did you choose to not activate your kill tonight?

Maybe my role doesn't work that way. Or maybe I wanted to avoid hitting another town player like you may have done.

I already claimed as soon as the kill happened in the DP

Why weren't you CC'd for Israel and Hamas debate by Savant?
Why did you choose to not activate your kill tonight?

Savant's reads are finally posted. Nothing sticks out like a sore thumb.

Doesn't necessarily change my read on Savant but good to know his thought process

So we have about 24 hours left into this Dayphase. The vote count is looking to be to be favoring a Pie lynch. I will not be hopping on this wagon. Frankily I think Mharman is dead wrong about Pie. Pie was obviously putting emphasis on Banana but they aren't inherently pushing a lynch or a scum read. He had a read but wasn't forcing town into a lynch. I think Mharman is blowing this out of porportion and I think there are better candidates than Pie. I used the UPick Mafia as reference to see if I see any patterns and I do not see any commonalities between Pie here and Pie in this game. Pie isn't pressuring hard about Owen's claim and him not really full claiming. He is focusing more on the behavior analysis then diving into roles and mechanics. Even in Bo Burnham when you look at who Pie was pressuring (ironically banana), it came down to behavior analysis and keen in on focusing on that behavior until WF claimed bomb. I think voting Pie is a waste at this moment

So who should we vote Vader? Well if you were to ask me, I believe there is a great benefit to lynching someone who has flown under the radar in this game. In a game dominated by two people going at it and lengthy posts, hiding under the radar and drawing null could be your best chance at outliving town. So I think here is my list of who I think we should lynch

I think Savant would be my top choice to lynch if I had to choose. I've seen some behavioral oddities from this DP that I usually don't see from him in games. I point out a few examples
1. His lack of engagement in the DP
- Savant is someone that even when he's lynched and sometimes just bad reads, he always is keen to ensure town know what his reads are and what his stance is on certain players is whether he town reads them or scum reads
 
2. Eagerness to hunt a lynch versus behavior
- Savant in this DP when he does gives reads, is hunting to "get a lynch" and get someone out. He is not doing enough behavior analytics and almost seems like he's going with what the most popular trend is for a lynch train
       - When I confronted him about it, he just said "that's not going to get us anywhere"

3. Lurking-ish behavior
- Compared to recent games I have played with Savant, he seems to have taken a much deeper backseat in analyzing this game and hardly posting despite being online

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My second choice would probably be JoeBob

Despite JoeBob being online and having some experience, it seems that Joe is failing to make critical reads and just posts 1 off comments. I am not sure whether or not that is his style of play, but I have seen him put a lot more insight and analysis into games than he has here. The only reason he isn't ahead of Savant because I think he is just returning to a massive game and I think he could just be adapting to the game structure and he hasn't done any criminal other than lurking around

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I'm putting Savant into my FoS pile.

Playing with Savant when he's town, he usually is keen to putting town reads in and not taking a back seat when it comes to day phases. Savant seems a bit hyperfocused on lynching scum and who we are going to lynch versus thoroughly going through the members and giving the reads on them. In fact when I mentioned it a bunch of times, he brushed it off. He also fits under the mold of taking a back seat and letting town go at each others throats.

Noted. I think it may just be recency bias. My memory of forum mafia is about as good as Dory so I could be wrong.